schrieb am 19.02.12 15:59:42
Das die Zahlen so schlecht ausfallen, damit habe ich nicht
gerechnet.
Mal schauen wie die nächsten Zahl ausfallen. Mein Vertrauen ins
Management ist nur noch begrenzt.
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Powerwave Technologies (PWAV) Q4 2011 Earnings Call February 14,
2012 5:00 PM ET
Operator
Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the fourth quarter
2011 Powerwave Technologies earnings call. [Operator instructions.]
I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Tom Spaeth,
Powerwave’s treasurer. Please proceed.
Tom Spaeth
Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to Powerwave Technologies’
fourth quarter 2011 financial results conference call. I am Tom
Spaeth, Powerwave's treasurer. Joining us on today's call will be
Ron Buschur, president and chief executive officer, and Kevin
Michaels, chief financial officer.
Before starting, I would like to point out that various remarks we
make about future expectations, plans, and prospects for Powerwave,
including, but not limited to, anticipated revenues and revenue
growth rates; the split between operator and OEM sales; operating
margins; gross profit margins; earnings per share levels; operating
expense targets; cash flow projections; revenue composition; supply
chain constraints and shortages; manufacturing levels; improvements
in cost structure; future cost savings related to our cost
reduction activities; the timing of restructuring actions and
associated cost savings; our ability to reduce our use of cash;
demand levels for the company's product lines, including demand for
the company’s advanced technology products in government markets;
projected growth in various markets including government, public
safety, and defense; trends in the wireless infrastructure market,
including adoption of 4G capabilities and increases in spending by
North American operators on their networks; the timing of product
deliveries and future orders; the company's ability to grow its
core wireless business and enter into, and compete in, vertical
markets for its products such as government and defense markets,
the energy sector, and health and medical fields; common stock
prices; the company's ability to resolve new product production
issues; debt purchases; the success of new products and market
acceptance in new vertical markets; expense levels; capital
expenditure rates; inventory turns; tax rates; and days sales
outstanding are all forward-looking statements, which are intended
to qualify for the Safe Harbor from liability established by the
Private Securities Reform Act of 1995.
These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties
that could cause Powerwave's actual results to be materially
different from those projected or implied. Some of the risks and
uncertainties include our ability to accurately forecast and
anticipate customer orders; our ability to increase sales and
conserve cash; our reliance on a limited number of customers; our
ability to control operating costs and conserve cash; our ability
to realize anticipated cost savings and synergies; execute
restructuring activities in a timely fashion without negatively
impacting our business; the negative impact on demand for our
products due to the macroeconomic environment; reduced demand due
to industry consolidation among our major customers; delays or
cancellations of wireless network capacity expansions and buildouts
for both existing networks and new 4G networks; fluctuations in
foreign currencies; the ability to accurately forecast cash flows
and credit collections; the ability to enter into new markets for
our products and solution; the impact of competitive products and
pricing; economic and political conditions; and the loss of one or
more significant customer accounts.
Please refer to our press release, Powerwave's annual report on
Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended January 2, 2011, our quarterly
report our Form 10-Q for the quarterly period ended October 2,
2011, and other filings, which are on file with the Securities and
Exchange Commission for additional information on factors which
could cause our actual results to be different from those projected
or implied.
In addition, on this call we will discuss non-GAAP financial
information. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial information
to our financial statements as prepared under GAAP is included in
our press release dated today, which can be found at our website at
powerwave.com and on Business Wire. The press release also has
detailed information concerning several of the significant items
impacting our results and we urge you to review that
information.
Now I'm going to turn the call over to Kevin Michaels, Powerwave's
chief financial officer.
Kevin Michaels
Thank you Tom. With all these risk factors in mind, I would like to
start by reviewing our financial results, which are also summarized
in our press release. Net sales for the fourth quarter of 2011 were
$60.1 million, and we reported a GAAP net loss of $42.6 million,
which equates to a basic loss per share of $1.34.
This includes a total of $1.3 million of net cash debt discount
amortization and interest accretion expense related to certain of
our outstanding convertible notes, $1.6 million of net cash pre-tax
stock based compensation expense, and $4.7 million of restructuring
expense in the quarter. All of these charges and amortization
totaled approximately $7.6 million for the fourth quarter.
On a pro forma basis, excluding the restructuring charges, the
debt-related charges, and the stock-based compensation expenses for
the quarter, our pro forma net loss was $30 million, which equates
to a pro forma net loss of $0.95 per share.
I do want to note that our per share amounts reflect the impact of
the one for five reverse common stock split that was effective as
of October 28, 2011. The total shares outstanding for the fourth
quarter were approximately 31.7 million shares.
Now looking at our revenues on a geographic basis, our total
Americas revenue for the fourth quarter was approximately $27.6
million, or 46% of revenue. Our total Asia-Pacific sales were
approximately $17.5 million, or 29% of revenue, and total European
and other international revenues were $15 million, or approximately
25% of revenue.
In the fourth quarter, antenna system product group sales totaled
$24.7 million, or 41% of total revenue. Base station subsystem
sales totaled $20.5 million, or 34% of revenue, and coverage
solutions sales totaled $14.9 million, or 25% of revenue.
Our total 2G and 2.5G related sales were approximately $24.5
million, or 41% of revenue. 3G related sales were approximately
$18.1 million, or 30% of revenue, and our 4G sales, which includes
LTE, were approximately $17.5 million, or 29% of revenue.
In terms of our customer profile in the fourth quarter, total OEM
sales accounted for approximately 31% of our total revenues, and
direct and operator sales account for approximately 69%. Our
largest customers for the fourth quarter included AT&T and
Samsung, which account for approximately 19% and 15% of revenues
for the quarter respectively.
Moving on to gross margins, on a GAAP basis, our total consolidated
gross profit margin was a loss of 2.7% in the fourth quarter. In
our press release, on page five, there is a table with a
reconciliation of the various factors impacting our gross margin
for the quarter.
On a pro forma basis, excluding stock compensation expense, which
totaled $200,000, and restructuring and impairment charges, which
totaled $3.2 million, our pro forma gross profit margin was
2.9%.
Next, a review of our operating expenses for the fourth quarter.
Our sales and marketing expenses were $7 million, research and
development expenses were $14.5 million, and G&A expenses were
$11.1 million.
Our total operating expenses including $1.4 million of stock
compensation expense and $1.5 million of restructuring and
impairment charges, were $34.1 million for the quarter. On a pro
forma basis, which excludes restructuring charges and stock
compensation expense, our total operating expenses equaled
approximately $31.1 million.
In terms of other income and expense, we recorded a total of
approximately $5.3 million of other expense in the fourth quarter
of 2011. Included in other expense is approximately $1.3 million of
noncash debt discount amortization expense and interest accretion
associated with our 2.75% convertible senior subordinated notes due
2041.
In addition, during the quarter we recognized a net foreign
currency translation loss of approximately $1.4 million, which was
due primarily to the stronger Chinese currency. This loss is also
included in other expense.
On a pro forma basis, excluding the debt-related amortization
interest accretion for the quarter, our net other expense was $4
million. For the fourth quarter we incurred a tax provision of
approximately $1.6 million.
While we continue to evaluate our future tax rate based upon our
diverse international operations, we currently estimate that our
effective worldwide tax rate will be between approximately 15% to
20% for 2012. I want to stress that this estimate will fluctuate
based upon our actual results.
Next, I’ll review our balance sheet. Total cash at January 1, 2012
was approximately $70.3 million, of which $6.2 million is
restricted cash. Total cash increased $23.7 million from the
balance at the end of the third quarter.
For the fourth quarter, our cash flow from operations was a use of
approximately $11.4 million, which is an improvement of over $14
million from the approximately $26 million used in operations in
the third quarter of 2011. For the fourth quarter, our total
capital spending was approximately $1.9 million in the quarter.
As Ron will discuss, we are finalizing our new restructuring plan
and will move to implement it as quickly as possible. We expect to
achieve significant reductions in our operating costs during this
year, and significantly reduce our use of cash during 2012 as we
move forward with implementing our new restructuring plan.
For the fourth quarter, our net inventory was $88.6 million. Our
total net accounts receivable was $96.8 million. During the quarter
we completed the sales and lease back of our corporate headquarters
facility in Santa Ana, California. We received net proceeds from
that transaction of $49.1 million and entered into a 15-year lease
of the facility.
Now I’d like to turn the call over Ron Buschur, Powerwave’s
president and chief executive officer.
Ron Buschur
Thank you Kevin, and good afternoon everyone. Before I get started
reviewing the Q4 results, I’d like to state that I am very
disappointed with the results for the fourth quarter. We are taking
the steps necessary to drive both future revenues and to assure
that we maintain the appropriate cost structure during this
difficult global economic environment.
We believe that we have the cash resources available to manage
through this restructuring period as well as focus on our current
market as well as new vertical markets. We are focused on capturing
long term value that our shareholders deserve, as well as providing
superior wireless connectivity in multiple vertical markets within
our comprehensive intellectual property portfolio.
Our business continues to be impacted by several factors, including
slow spending in most of our markets, including the Americas,
Europe, and the Middle East. In addition, we have seen further
slowdown in our OEM customers. We do believe that North America
will see a rebound in sales with our major network operator
customers as they begin to move forward with their deployment plans
and site buildouts.
In addition, we now believe that we’re seeing a fundamental change
in the OEM market, which we believe will result in further
consolidation among the major OEMs. The OEMs continue to drive
pricing pressures suppliers within this chain to gain market share
and compete globally with Asian OEMs. We believe this consolidation
will make some of our products more like a commodity with these OEM
customers.
So with that in mind, we intend to position and sell our products,
solutions, and technologies into other vertical markets, with large
integrators and customers who will allow Powerwave to offer them a
complete solution. At the same time, we can earn a reasonable
profit for companies like ours, who have leading edge technologies
and solutions.
In order to protect your investments in Powerwave and ensure that
we are positioned to compete and leverage this technology and other
vertical markets, and also for the long term corporate perspective,
we are finalizing a new restructuring plan. The goal for this plan
will be to further lower our operating breakeven targets to around
$70 million for a quarterly revenue and significantly reduce our
operating expenses, thereby conserving our cash resources.
Our plan is to quickly further reduce our manufacturing cost
structure in order to reduce the significant variances and
absorption issues that you can see in our results. We are
implementing additional operational expense reductions to drive a
more cost-effective operating model going forward. This will
generate a significant amount of cash when our business
rebounds.
We currently expect our new restructuring plan will be implemented
over the next two to three quarters, with a significant amount
implemented during the first half of this year. For operating
expenses, we are targeting to get to a quarterly rate around the
low 20s, including noncash compensation expenses, by the end of the
year.
We are taking these actions to ensure that we are well-positioned
to capitalize on the growth in our business once our customers
start driving the improvements in coverage and capacity for
wireless networks that we believe will shift to 4G and this will
continue to drive additional demand.
In addition, we are focusing on our advanced technology and
solutions, which lead the industry as well as utilizing this
technology and solutions in multiple vertical markets. This will
allow us to meet our long term strategy of customer
diversification, market diversification, as well as driving our
business to higher margin solution sales.
We will need to, and we will continue, to grow our core business.
Our core wireless business is very important to us. I want to note
we have a very strong technology portfolio of product solutions
that we believe are the best in the industry.
We believe much of our traditional wireless telecom markets are not
properly valuing this type of technology, and that’s why we have
focused on expanding into additional market segments such as
government sectors globally, the energy sector, and the health and
medical fields. We believe that we can generate true solutions
utilizing all of our strong patent portfolio and superior
technology as well as our engineering resources globally.
We believe that our expertise and solutions and advanced
technologies are superior to what is currently being used and
developed in these new vertical markets by the competition. In
addition, in these new vertical market segments, we do not have the
same level of competition from the Asian composite that we see in
our traditional commercial market.
We have already seen some initial success in these new market
segments, such as we have recorded initial sales of our RMDUs to
the Department of Defense. We have also recorded the first sale and
initial trial units for our advanced Picocell products with a major
government integrator as well as an agency within the United States
government.
To provide you with some information in regard to our advanced
technology, our Picocell product, it offers both LTE and wifi
capability, and has its own operating baseband capability that can
be utilized in either a public or private network, up to 1,000
users.
This product has been performing well in multiple trials, and
comparing it against our competitors, we believe it has been
performing very well, with several government entities globally. We
believe the multiple government agencies will move forward with
this advanced technology faster than the commercial telecom
markets.
In addition, we have a very high level of interest from these
agencies for several of our other advanced products such as our
active antenna array products, our self-configuring private
network, and our ICC programmable filter.
We believe these market opportunities for Powerwave in these new
vertical markets are very large and in the range of $7-10 billion,
and are highly profitable. In summary, I continue to be very
excited about the prospects for our business over the next few
years. The demand for wireless data is exploding, as seen by
exponential growth in the use of smartphones utilizing voice,
video, and data.
We believe that we are targeting the new vertical markets that will
offer us the best potential for a long term basis for our
shareholders and allow us to leverage the industry’s best advanced
technology and solutions. In the near term, we will take the
necessary actions necessary to rightsize the company in order to
significantly reduce our breakeven targets and restructure
Powerwave to be positioned to generate future profits on a lower
revenue base.
At the same time, we believe this restructuring will assure our
success in the wireless telecom market as well as position
Powerwave to become a critical supplier to large government
integrators and government agencies globally, while starting to
supply other solutions to other vertical markets.
Now I’d like to turn the call over to the operator and address any
questions that you may have.
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. [Operator instructions.] And our first question comes
from the line of Mike Walkley with Canaccord. Go ahead.
Michael Walkley – Canaccord
Kevin, just in terms of the gross margin structure, are you guys
targeting $70 million as your breakeven level? And if so, what is
the gross margin level around that area, or what kind of revenue do
you need to get back to mid-20 gross margins, maybe asked another
way?
Kevin Michaels
I think part of our restructuring plan, we believe we can bring at
that kind of low revenue rate our gross margins up to those levels
and potentially a little bit higher depending on the mix. So the
key thing we’re doing here is really on the restructuring side
we’re trying to take out a lot of costs. Right now obviously at
this low revenue rate we have a lot of absorption issues and cost
issues and variance issues, so as we restructure our manufacturing
side, we believe we can simply bring back the margins in that
model.
Michael Walkley – Canaccord
So that takes two to three quarters you think, just to work through
that restructuring on the…
Kevin Michaels
Yeah, we think it will happen over the next couple of quarters, so
we think we’ll see some improvement as we go through the year.
We’re targeting to get it all done by the end of the year.
Michael Walkley – Canaccord
And then just in terms of your revenue visibility, I know it’s
probably tough here in the first quarter, but with your targeted
markets, how large can government become over time? What’s a
realistic kind of run rate maybe exiting 2012, and rate to get
there? And then as you look at your North America market with the
carrier business expectations with LTE builds at Sprint and
AT&T, just how do you think that business transpires over the
course of the year?
Ron Buschur
Mike, we think that looking at AT&T and Verizon and Sprint that
the first quarter as you know is traditionally always a little
slower, but we see that there’s plans that are being put in place,
and are being deployed pretty rapidly here. So we’re expecting to
see a nice pickup in the second quarter as we go into Q3. We think
that they’ll be on track to their buildout plans.
Looking at the government sector, and the size of the market that
we hope to be able to achieve this year, we’re targeting a target
internally for around 10% of our revenue to be derived from the
government sales. So we’re somewhat bullish on that government
sales this year and some of the opportunities we currently have in
the pipeline and certainly some of the sales that we’ve already
made to these agencies globally. And we’re not necessarily just
focused on the North America government marketplace as well. It’s
foreign government sales.
Michael Walkley – Canaccord
And just building on that Ron, Europe was down again. Was that just
more due to moving away from the OEMs? Or is that carrier business
still pretty weak? And how do you see that market developing?
Ron Buschur
Well, I think part of it was obviously the OEM strategy that we
have. We’re not abandoning the OEM market. We still have several
good OEM customers that buy our products and solutions. But we
understand their need to be able to compete globally as well. So I
think that had an impact on some of the sales that we had seen, and
then there is obviously a lot of concern still in the European
market from a financial perspective that has slowed down some of
the spend. And we’ve seen it in Western Europe as well as Eastern
Europe, but certainly Russia was impacted this last quarter.
Michael Walkley – Canaccord
One more question and I’ll pass it on. Kevin, just on the balance
sheet, inventory was a little higher than our expectations. Do you
think, as we move into the March quarter, there’s still some more
working capital to squeeze to get closer to a breakeven cash flow
in Q1?
Kevin Michaels
There certainly are working capital opportunities for us. We’re
trying to drive there, and hopefully we do it in Q1. We hope we can
get there by Q2. But as you can see, obviously inventory ended a
little higher. Obviously the revenue number was less than we
expected, and we ended up with some additional inventory. But we do
believe we can move that stuff out here as we go through this year
and we free up some more working capital.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Steve O’Brien with JP
Morgan. Go ahead.
Steve O'Brien – JPMorgan
First off, on the new target structure, trying to make sure I got
the numbers right. Breakeven at $70 million and revenue with low
$20s operating expense, you’d need to be at about a 30% gross
margin there, right? To break even?
Ron Buschur
That’s pretty close, yes.
Steve O'Brien – JPMorgan
And so you think that the business in the near term could be above
$70 million in terms of quarterly revenue?
Ron Buschur
Well, that’s certainly our expectations, but we’re structuring the
company to make sure that we can return some profitability back to
our shareholders. But more importantly, we can make sure that we
position the company for what we believe is still the growth that’s
in this core business that we have in the wireless space, and then
focus the efforts on the other vertical markets that will help us
with our gross margins across the board and give us a better
blend.
Steve O'Brien – JPMorgan
Your comments, Ron, on OEMs pushing to commoditize a product, the
converse would seem to imply that the carriers may be satisfied
with the commodity substitutes. Is that the case? Are you being
displaced at carriers where historically Powerwave sold a good
amount of product? And if so, why do you think that there’s an
opportunity for revenue to scale up from $60 million, where it is
in the fourth quarter?
Ron Buschur
That’s a fair question. First of all, no, we don’t think that we
are losing any of the market share with the operators. To the
contrary, we actually have been fairly consistent, and several of
our OEM customers have approved to pull more of our products
through to the end operator customer. I’m really focused on more of
some of the filter products and some of the solutions that go into
their integrated products in their vertical integration strategy
that they have. And we’ve talked about this over the past,
outsourced a lot of the components around filters and RF
conditioning to some of the Asia suppliers and that is a very
difficult pricing model to focus on. But we’re pleased with what we
see as far as the operator sales for our antennas and our advanced
products.
Kevin Michaels
And Steve, just to be clear, while we certainly are taking
restructuring actions and trying to lower our breakevens and lower
our cost structure, we do expect longer term that the business will
improve, that demand will improve with the various operators. We
think, as Ron said, we have a strong position with the operator
customer base, and we do expect to see revenues higher than these
current low levels. We do feel that as we go through this year and
the latter half of the year we feel pretty good that there should
be much stronger revenues here.
Steve O'Brien – JPMorgan
In terms of current mix, do you believe that products that are
potentially becoming commoditized are a small percentage of the
current revenue? Or what percentage do you think they contribute
currently?
Ron Buschur
No, they are a small percentage of the current revenue forecast on
our annual operating plan and restructuring that we have of the
company to bring the breakeven down to $70 million a quarter. These
same filters and some of these advanced solutions that we have sold
from an RF conditioning standpoint are still utilized in our
repeater products. They’re utilized in some of our DAS solutions,
as well as our active array and our Picocell. They’re just products
that we typically had sold to some of the OEMs who were utilizing
that in their base station solutions.
Steve O'Brien – JPMorgan
Gotcha. I think I heard a comment about the intellectual property
or patent portfolio. Are you looking at efforts there to
potentially monetize that? I saw there was a lawsuit in the
December quarter, but are those efforts kind of exploratory? Or is
that something that…
Ron Buschur
No, absolutely, Steve. We have over 735 patents, 400 that are
pending at different stages. We do have a suit that we have filed
with a Taiwanese company who we believe is infringing on our
intellectual property. And we have some other discussions in place
to where some large integrators and some OEM customers are
interested in licensing some of the technology that we have
developed in some of our future solution sets.
Steve O'Brien – JPMorgan
So do you think it would be more of a licensing model than an
outright sale?
Ron Buschur
Well, that’s what we’re looking at at this point, but as
discussions evolve, you never know what comes out of those
discussions. But right now, we believe that they’re interested in
licensing some of the technology that we developed, and the
solutions.
Steve O'Brien – JPMorgan
And then if I could, do you have an expectation for cash burn in
the near term. It definitely sounds like a couple quarters of more
work, right, before the cost structure will be in line with the new
target levels?
Ron Buschur
You know, we’re not giving a straight forecast on that, but we’re
trying to drive it down as low as possible, so we think it would
stay below the level that we had in this last quarter. And if we
can get some working capital help, maybe we can drive it even
lower. So that’s what we’re driving for.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Peter Misek with
Jefferies. Go ahead.
Jason North - Jefferies
Hi, this is Jason North for Peter. The first question, for the new
verticals you’re targeting outside of governments, when do you
expect those to ramp? And how are you approaching that? Is it
mainly directly, or indirect sales?
Ron Buschur
Well, the vertical market we focused on initially, Jason, as I
said, was the government, and that’s something that we expect to
see throughout the year. The other sectors, we’re going to be
taking those on indirectly through some large companies who already
have a fundamental solution set that we think we can leverage our
technology into that provides them the wireless connectivity that
they need. That’s really focused more toward the Q3 timeframe that
we’re going to start seeing some acceptance of those products in
that space.
Jason North - Jefferies
And then for Q1, you mentioned that there’s going to be typical
seasonal weakness. Will some of the ramps here in the US be able to
offset that for you? Should we just broadly expect kind of typical
seasonal weakness here in Q1 for revenues?
Ron Buschur
I think right now for what we see, and obviously you have similar
input from others, we think that it’s going to be the typical
seasonal weakness that you see. But we believe that when you look
at it from a go-forward basis, from where we exited Q4, we don’t
think that it’s obviously going to be any worse than that type of
level of performance. We expect to see some improvement.
Jason North - Jefferies
So some improvement despite the seasonal weakness is what you’re
saying?
Ron Buschur
Yes, compared to what we had just posted in Q4.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Arun Seshadri with Credit
Suisse. Go ahead.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
I just want to make sure I understood that last comment. So do you
expect Q1 basically revenue performance to be higher than the $60
million? Is that what you’re implying?
Ron Buschur
That’s correct.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
And you’re not able to provide a clean forecast, but you expect it
to be higher. Got it. Understood. And that is in spite of the last
three years, I think, Q1 has generally been down about 20% from Q4,
or in that vicinity, 17-20%? But you feel like there’s been enough
of a revenue leakage that you can basically grow in Q1? Is that
right?
Kevin Michaels
Yes, that’s right. And the thing to point out, though, if you’re
looking at past periods, typically the fourth quarter has always
been our strongest quarter. So given the falloff we had in the
fourth quarter, I think typical patterns probably don’t apply.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
And then on your overall restructuring plan, can you walk us
through how you came up with trying to get to breakeven at the $70
million level? Why $70 million?
Ron Buschur
Well, just looking at the visibility that we have in our current
business, and what we project the current AOP for 2012 to be, if we
assume that this last quarter, Q4, was the low point, and based on
what we see as far as our product demand here in Q1, we feel very
comfortable if we sized the business to around a $70 million rate
that we should be able, at the end of the year, return some
profitability back to our shareholders.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
So is it too much of a stretch to say that you expect Q1 could be
in that $70 million vicinity?
Kevin Michaels
I think we’re not trying to give a detailed forecast, and I think
our message is, as Ron said, we do believe the first quarter will
be better than the fourth quarter was, and we think we’ll see some
growth throughout the year. And we’ll just leave it at that.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
Okay, fair. And then as far as the cost savings that you’ve already
actioned that will show up in the Q4 numbers, how much cost have
you taken out prior to the new restructuring plan, and how much of
it was in the numbers for Q4?
Kevin Michaels
I think recognized in Q4 was about half of the restructuring. The
benefits was about half of what we initiated in the fourth quarter
that we had previously talked about, so we expect to see some
further improvements. Doing nothing else, we’d see some further
improvements here in the first quarter coming through that, and now
obviously we’re implementing an additional plan, starting here in
this quarter, and that will drive much further. That will get to
our ultimate goals that we have there.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
So in terms of operating expenditure, it looks like Q4 versus Q3
was roughly down around $2 million, so is that the half that you’re
referring to? Or is there additional manufacturing?
Kevin Michaels
Yeah, that was the half, so we probably would have another $1-2
million reduction doing nothing else in the first quarter. Although
the revenue fell off, we’re working on taking some costs out of the
manufacturing side. So those activities are still going on, and
additional ones will go on. So we should eventually see some
benefits coming in the gross margins.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
So based on your thoughts on revenue, at what point do you think
you can return to cash flow breakeven?
Kevin Michaels
Well, hopefully the first half of this year. In one of these
quarters. Some of it will depend on the working capital, but
clearly our goal is to try to get there as soon as possible. So
hopefully by the middle of the year.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
So you’re attempting for Q1, but exiting Q2 on a run rate basis on
a sort of worst case basis.
Kevin Michaels
Yes, I think we’ll have some small use of cash in Q1, and by Q2 we
should be exiting. Hopefully, that’s our target, to exit there. So
it will depend on the working capital usages. It will fluctuate
around depending on that.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
And what was working capital use in Q4?
Kevin Michaels
In Q4 our total cash from operations we used about $11 million.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
And that’s inclusive of capex, or exclusive?
Kevin Michaels
That was excluding capex.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
And capital expenditure for the quarter? I’m sorry, I may have
missed it if you’ve already given it out.
Kevin Michaels
I think it was about $1.9 million or $1.8 million, right around
there. A little bit under $2 million.
Arun Seshadri - Credit Suisse
So it would be around $14 million including the capex, in terms of
the cash burn for the quarter, correct?
Kevin Michaels
Yeah, right around there.
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Matt [Swope] with
Gleacher. Go ahead.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
Can we go back to the question of market share as it relates to the
last two quarters? Do you think a loss of market share is a
contributing factor to what’s gone on here?
Ron Buschur
No, we don’t, Matt. We’ve looked at it and we go back and it’s
pretty clear when you look at the percent of our sales that
typically take place in North America with the major network
operators. And you have those discussions with them, and we’ve had
those discussions with them regarding when they expect to see an
uptick in are you buying current products and solutions from our
competitors, because that’s something clearly we want to have
visibility into as well. And they clearly identify that no one is
seeing increased sales in that area.
So no, we don’t believe that we’ve lost market share there. And the
other piece, when we look at the rollouts that are publicly noted,
and we go through the different vendors that supply and support
these buildouts around North America, none of them are on an
aggressive ramp as well building out any of these sites or cities.
So we feel pretty good about that. We have the right products, the
right solutions. We’ve got to continue to focus on meeting the
needs of the customers as they ramp, and I think we’re going to see
that here in the next three quarters as we go into 2012 and I think
we’re positioned well for that.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
I think you mentioned North America both times specifically there.
Would those comments you just made apply to the rest of the world
as well?
Ron Buschur
Well, when you look at the slowness that took place, we had a
pretty aggressive growth rate last year if you look at what we did
in the Middle East prior to some of the unrest that’s taken place.
So I don’t really think one could even draw that conclusion, that
there’s a loss there, or something that’s changed. And Russia and
that region has been very strong for us, and that customer base in
that region was very clear in their concerns about the value of the
ruble during that period of time.
So I don’t think there’s a concern in that market space. And Europe
has been slow, and I don’t think there’s a market share loss or
gain there. There’s just not a lot of activity now. We’re expecting
to see that improve as we get into Q2 and Q3 because many of the
operators are talking about building out some of those LTE networks
there.
And the A-Pac region, we have historically had very good success
with our OEM partners who have been pulling those products and
solutions through from an antenna perspective, remote radio head,
and multicarrier amplifiers in those marketplaces, and we expect
that to continue.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
And somebody earlier asked about some of the North American
operators. Would Clearwire also be an opportunity as they go
through their buildout in 2012?
Ron Buschur
They would, Matt, and that’s certainly an opportunity for us that
would be possibly upside compared to what we’re currently looking
at just from the standpoint of some of the uncertainty around that
spectrum and the use of it.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
And just moving to the cash side, how much is currently available
on your revolving credit facility?
Kevin Michaels
The total credit facility is $30 million.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
And is all that available today?
Kevin Michaels
I don’t have what it is as of today. Off the top of my head I’m not
sure of the exact number at the year end. It will be in our 10-K,
which will be filed next week.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
Do you see scenarios where you would draw on that to help with
liquidity over the first half of the year?
Kevin Michaels
We don’t think we need to. Our plans show we don’t need it. We’ll
maintain it. We haven’t used that line since we’ve had it, so it’s
obviously a safety net there. And we’re in compliance with all our
covenants, so we’ll see.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
The bonds have obviously taken a hit during the recent quarters.
Would it make sense from a capturing of discount and reducing total
debt to use some of your liquidity, whether it be cash or revolver,
to buy back some bonds in the open market?
Kevin Michaels
I don’t want to comment on that. That’s a thing obviously down the
road we’ll continue to look at. Those are options open to us, but
we don’t want to speculate on that right now.
Matt [Swope] - Gleacher
And just one last one. You were talking about capex a minute ago.
Just for 2012, do you have a rough estimate of what capex can
be?
Kevin Michaels
It will probably run around the levels we’ve been. It usually runs
between $1 million and $2 million a quarter. So I would guess, for
the year, like $5 million to $8 million, somewhere in that kind of
range.
Ron Buschur
Thank you for joining us today, and your continued interest in
Powerwave Technologies. We look forward to sharing with you our
results in the first quarter of 2012.
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