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In Vorfreude auf die wahrscheinlich sehr guten US Zahlen NFP um 14:30 könnte man ja schon mal langsam einshorten.
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.703.477 von silverfreaky am 05.09.14 12:01:48Au weia!
Wenn das mal nicht öffentlich wird!!!
Since paper-money is a promise of payment, can it be permitted to trust the issuers while they hold the payment (our property) outside our jurisdiction? History has also demonstrated repeatedly that paper money has been a permanent instrument of default and cheating the Muslims. In addition, Islamic Law does not permit the use of a promise of payment as a medium of exchange.
http://www.islamicmint.com/dinar_dirham/
Wenn das mal nicht öffentlich wird!!!
Since paper-money is a promise of payment, can it be permitted to trust the issuers while they hold the payment (our property) outside our jurisdiction? History has also demonstrated repeatedly that paper money has been a permanent instrument of default and cheating the Muslims. In addition, Islamic Law does not permit the use of a promise of payment as a medium of exchange.
http://www.islamicmint.com/dinar_dirham/
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.703.477 von silverfreaky am 05.09.14 12:01:48halte ich zumindest teilweise für groben SChwachsinn..
Weshalb sollte der Rubel ein Derivativ des USD sein???
MAN weiß das Latino Staaten wie Argentinien ihre Währung direkt an den USD koppelten,dann ist das ok. ABer der Rubel ein Derivat des USD?. Das halte ich schon für eine Frechheit eine solche behauptung.Vielleicht sollte man Präsident Putin dazu befragen,spätestens wenn er alle Staatsanleihen in USD rausgeworfen hat...
Weshalb sollte der Rubel ein Derivativ des USD sein???
MAN weiß das Latino Staaten wie Argentinien ihre Währung direkt an den USD koppelten,dann ist das ok. ABer der Rubel ein Derivat des USD?. Das halte ich schon für eine Frechheit eine solche behauptung.Vielleicht sollte man Präsident Putin dazu befragen,spätestens wenn er alle Staatsanleihen in USD rausgeworfen hat...
Wer nimmt dir die 5 Euro Silbermünzen ab lordknut zu dem preis?
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.703.336 von Sweetbull am 05.09.14 11:50:28Genau, ich hab für meine 5 Philharmoniker heuer auch nur 935,- bezahlt.
Heute kosten sie 1011, bzw bekomme ich noch 979,- dafür.
Und meine fast tausend Stück 5 Euro silbermünzen heuer um 5,-- bis 5,50 Euro gekauft sind immer noch mindestens 5 Euro wert.
No problem. Da kann man sich beruhigt zurücklehnen und den Herzinfarkt-Zockern zuschauen....
Heute kosten sie 1011, bzw bekomme ich noch 979,- dafür.
Und meine fast tausend Stück 5 Euro silbermünzen heuer um 5,-- bis 5,50 Euro gekauft sind immer noch mindestens 5 Euro wert.
No problem. Da kann man sich beruhigt zurücklehnen und den Herzinfarkt-Zockern zuschauen....
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.703.477 von silverfreaky am 05.09.14 12:01:48Interessant Annahme 
. Also immer schön schauen wann "backwardation" einsetzt...
. Also immer schön schauen wann "backwardation" einsetzt...
Heut mach ich mal den Grünstift
How the Dollar Will Die
Hugo Salinas Price
All the currencies of the world today are derivatives of the dollar, including the Russian Ruble and the Chinese Yuan, and even the miserable currencies of Venezuela and Argentina. As long as they can be used to purchase dollars, either officially or through the black market, they will continue in circulation.
The Mexican Peso circulates and has value, because Mexicans have always been able to purchase dollars with pesos (except for a few days during the “Mexdollar” crisis of the early ‘80s). The price of the dollar in pesos has varied, but at any rate it has (almost) always been possible to obtain dollars in exchange for pesos.
If the new Islamic State “ISIS” should wish to have its own currency, it would have to be possible for its currency to acquire dollars, either directly or through some other currencies. (Just by the way, a 1/10 ounce silver coin would be the equivalent of the dirham, prescribed as money by Islam, and its value would not depend on the dollar or any derivative of the dollar. Maybe someone else will tell “ISIS” about this; I do not want to get mixed up with these people.)
Even in the case of a fiat currency to be used exclusively within national borders, with no plan for commercial purposes outside of its own zone, such a currency would have to be issued with a value that could not be other than an external reference either to the dollar, or to some currency derived from the dollar, which would amount to the same thing. A fiat currency cannot be born out of nothing; it has to have a “parent” and in our times, that parent must be, in the last analysis, the fiat dollar.
The same principle prevails in the case of the dollar.
The existence of fiat currencies depends on their ability to acquire dollars. In the case of the fiat dollar, the dollar will continue to exist as long as dollars can be used to acquire gold.
The condition under which no quantity of dollars can acquire a gram of gold, is known as “permanent backwardation”. (There will always be individuals who will be disposed to part with a small quantity of gold, in exchange for dollars or other fiat currencies. But the purchase of gold in quantity can only be done on world markets, and while “backwardation” is temporary. This possibility disappears when “backwardation” becomes permanent).
In “backwardation” – which has presented itself momentarily, in recent times – gold goes into hiding (its owners do not wish to part with it) and in the markets there has been no one willing to purchase gold for future delivery, even though its future price is lower than the price of physical gold for immediate delivery. So far, this condition has been temporary and not permanent.
When “backwardation” imposes itself permanently, the dollar is finished.
The process will be as follows: at some future date, gold for future delivery will cost less than gold for immediate physical delivery, that is to say, it will be in “backwardation”. However, the normal condition, which is called “contango” and which is the opposite of “backwardation”, will not be re-established. The price of gold for future delivery will stagnate at a low price – apparently very attractive – but the price of physical gold for immediate delivery (“spot” gold) will begin to rise. “Backwardation” will not disappear because the world wants physical gold, received in hand at the moment of payment, and not a promise of future delivery of gold.
When the price of physical gold for immediate delivery is superior to the price of gold for future delivery, and this condition becomes permanent, it will mean that the dollar is no longer acceptable: the price of future gold may be extremely cheap, but the market is not interested in that offer, because the market wants physical gold in hand, immediately.
The price of physical gold for immediate delivery – “spot” gold – will rise to the thousands and thousands of dollars, and the “backwardation” will remain permanently. Finally, the price of gold in dollars will be so high that there will be no further quote in dollars – or in any derivative of dollars, of course.
The dollar will have died.
When the economic and financial crisis in the world explodes – as it will have to explode – the reaction of States around the world will have to be to print up enormous quantities of fiat money, because that is all they know how to do.
This will give rise to a huge run into gold from the dollar and every derivative of it.
This will bring about “permanent backwardation” of gold and will put an end to the world-wide empire of the fiat dollar.
It will then not be possible to obtain gold except by the delivery of things or of services in exchange. In other words, gold will once again be the money of the world.
When will this happen? It is not possible to predict a date. All we can note is that the total of world debt calculated in fiat dollars is now astronomical; since the financial debacle of 2007-2008 world debt has not been paid down, on the contrary, it has been increasing by leaps and bounds and is absolutely unpayable. So the situation today is even more critical and unstable than it was six years ago, and an economic and financial collapse is inevitable, sooner or later.
How the Dollar Will Die
Hugo Salinas Price
All the currencies of the world today are derivatives of the dollar, including the Russian Ruble and the Chinese Yuan, and even the miserable currencies of Venezuela and Argentina. As long as they can be used to purchase dollars, either officially or through the black market, they will continue in circulation.
The Mexican Peso circulates and has value, because Mexicans have always been able to purchase dollars with pesos (except for a few days during the “Mexdollar” crisis of the early ‘80s). The price of the dollar in pesos has varied, but at any rate it has (almost) always been possible to obtain dollars in exchange for pesos.
If the new Islamic State “ISIS” should wish to have its own currency, it would have to be possible for its currency to acquire dollars, either directly or through some other currencies. (Just by the way, a 1/10 ounce silver coin would be the equivalent of the dirham, prescribed as money by Islam, and its value would not depend on the dollar or any derivative of the dollar. Maybe someone else will tell “ISIS” about this; I do not want to get mixed up with these people.)
Even in the case of a fiat currency to be used exclusively within national borders, with no plan for commercial purposes outside of its own zone, such a currency would have to be issued with a value that could not be other than an external reference either to the dollar, or to some currency derived from the dollar, which would amount to the same thing. A fiat currency cannot be born out of nothing; it has to have a “parent” and in our times, that parent must be, in the last analysis, the fiat dollar.
The same principle prevails in the case of the dollar.
The existence of fiat currencies depends on their ability to acquire dollars. In the case of the fiat dollar, the dollar will continue to exist as long as dollars can be used to acquire gold.
The condition under which no quantity of dollars can acquire a gram of gold, is known as “permanent backwardation”. (There will always be individuals who will be disposed to part with a small quantity of gold, in exchange for dollars or other fiat currencies. But the purchase of gold in quantity can only be done on world markets, and while “backwardation” is temporary. This possibility disappears when “backwardation” becomes permanent).
In “backwardation” – which has presented itself momentarily, in recent times – gold goes into hiding (its owners do not wish to part with it) and in the markets there has been no one willing to purchase gold for future delivery, even though its future price is lower than the price of physical gold for immediate delivery. So far, this condition has been temporary and not permanent.
When “backwardation” imposes itself permanently, the dollar is finished.
The process will be as follows: at some future date, gold for future delivery will cost less than gold for immediate physical delivery, that is to say, it will be in “backwardation”. However, the normal condition, which is called “contango” and which is the opposite of “backwardation”, will not be re-established. The price of gold for future delivery will stagnate at a low price – apparently very attractive – but the price of physical gold for immediate delivery (“spot” gold) will begin to rise. “Backwardation” will not disappear because the world wants physical gold, received in hand at the moment of payment, and not a promise of future delivery of gold.
When the price of physical gold for immediate delivery is superior to the price of gold for future delivery, and this condition becomes permanent, it will mean that the dollar is no longer acceptable: the price of future gold may be extremely cheap, but the market is not interested in that offer, because the market wants physical gold in hand, immediately.
The price of physical gold for immediate delivery – “spot” gold – will rise to the thousands and thousands of dollars, and the “backwardation” will remain permanently. Finally, the price of gold in dollars will be so high that there will be no further quote in dollars – or in any derivative of dollars, of course.
The dollar will have died.
When the economic and financial crisis in the world explodes – as it will have to explode – the reaction of States around the world will have to be to print up enormous quantities of fiat money, because that is all they know how to do.
This will give rise to a huge run into gold from the dollar and every derivative of it.
This will bring about “permanent backwardation” of gold and will put an end to the world-wide empire of the fiat dollar.
It will then not be possible to obtain gold except by the delivery of things or of services in exchange. In other words, gold will once again be the money of the world.
When will this happen? It is not possible to predict a date. All we can note is that the total of world debt calculated in fiat dollars is now astronomical; since the financial debacle of 2007-2008 world debt has not been paid down, on the contrary, it has been increasing by leaps and bounds and is absolutely unpayable. So the situation today is even more critical and unstable than it was six years ago, and an economic and financial collapse is inevitable, sooner or later.
So langsam macht sich hier breiter EM Pessimismus breit-das gefällt mir als Investor. Ich will mal daraufhinweisen, dass Gold in Euro seit Jahresbeginn gut 10% im Plus liegt und selbst Silber in Euro noch 4% Plus aufweist. Der breite Arca Gold Bugs Fonds in Euro ETF091 liegt 28% im Plus. Mensch Jungs lasst Euch doch von Gutser und WM die Stimmung nicht vermiesen! Wenn man deren Meinungen hier liest könnte man ja meinen wir haben den größten EM Crash aller Zeiten in den EMs heuer hinter uns. HUI und XAU haben ihre Gaps geschlossen, was zwar nicht automatisch bedeutet dass nicht noch ein finaler sell off stattfinden könnte, aber nun ist diese Lücke endlich zu und es könnte nun wieder nach oben drehen ohne Angst haben zu müssen, dass da unten noch offene Gaps lauern. Ich habe heuer im Frühjahr die ersten Krügerrands bei 950 Euro gekauft, momentan steht dieser bei ca 1010 Euro-Kapitalvernichtung sieht anderst aus! Also sich diese Fakten immer wieder mal vor Augen führen und zumindest mit einem Auge positiv auf die EMs blicken.
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.702.880 von Valueandi am 05.09.14 11:12:03EU und Russland spielen bestenfalls nur sehr kurzfristig eine Rolle, sofern es nicht eskaliert ( Krieg ! ) Was da abgeht ist nur ein "wer hat den Grösseren"...! Es ist ohnehin müssig darüber zu diskutieren, welch geistig Kind die Regierung in Kiew ist und von der EU "gestützt" wird. Da ist die moralische Bankrotterklärung der EU wohl unbestritten.
Dass die Minen einbrechen, nun, es sieht eben so aus, dass zur Absicherung EM's völlig out ist. Niemand will dieses Blechzeugs. Und auf die nächsten Jahre bezogen scheint sich dies auch nicht zu ändern. Zumindest lese ich dies aus den derzeitigen Kursbewegungen.
Entweder hat man hier einen sehr langen Atem, oder ist eben enttäuscht, wenn die "andere Fraktion" trotz allem recht behalten hat. Ein nichtnachvollziehbarer Irrsinn ist dies ohnehin.
Dass die Minen einbrechen, nun, es sieht eben so aus, dass zur Absicherung EM's völlig out ist. Niemand will dieses Blechzeugs. Und auf die nächsten Jahre bezogen scheint sich dies auch nicht zu ändern. Zumindest lese ich dies aus den derzeitigen Kursbewegungen.
Entweder hat man hier einen sehr langen Atem, oder ist eben enttäuscht, wenn die "andere Fraktion" trotz allem recht behalten hat. Ein nichtnachvollziehbarer Irrsinn ist dies ohnehin.
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.702.850 von wallstreetmarc am 05.09.14 11:10:33Da bin ich jetzt ausnahmsweise mal durchaus Deiner Meinung... 
Voraussagen kann Charttechnik nichts. Gerade die Elliott-Waver sugerieren das aber oft dem nicht versierten Betrachter durch das Einzeichnen von irgendwelchen Pfeilen (am besten gleich fünf auf einmal..
)
Aber Orientirung bietet sie durchaus. Und hat auch in den letzten Jahren der Korrektur nicht versagt. Man muss sie halt korrekt anwenden. Bei Bedarf mache ich gerne ein Beispiel...
Voraussagen kann Charttechnik nichts. Gerade die Elliott-Waver sugerieren das aber oft dem nicht versierten Betrachter durch das Einzeichnen von irgendwelchen Pfeilen (am besten gleich fünf auf einmal..
)Aber Orientirung bietet sie durchaus. Und hat auch in den letzten Jahren der Korrektur nicht versagt. Man muss sie halt korrekt anwenden. Bei Bedarf mache ich gerne ein Beispiel...
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