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bist du der Bär 
Ja, der Li-La-Launebär.
Die Party in den Rohstoffen ist vorbei.
Die Party in den Rohstoffen ist vorbei.
sehe noch keinen Bär
Abwarten. 
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bei gold/silber ist es nur ein kleiner bär
bei den aktien wirds ein großer wilder
Im Jahr 2005 ist die Gesamtzahl der Aktienanleger in Deutschland um fast 300.000 gestiegen. Dies geht aus den jüngsten Infratest-Umfragen im Auftrag des Deutschen Aktieninstituts hervor. Danach besaßen im Jahr 2005 10,8 Millionen Deutsche Aktien oder Anteile an Aktienfonds. Dies entspricht 16,7 Prozent der Bevölkerung über 14 Jahren. Die Zahl der direkten Aktionäre nahm um 133.000 auf 4,7 Millionen zu, die Zahl der Fondsbesitzer um 212.000 auf 8,1 Millionen.
Gegenüber 1997 hat sich die Gesamtzahl der Aktienanleger damit trotz der Rückgänge nach dem Höchststand 2001 nahezu verdoppelt. Damals besaßen erst 5,6 Millionen Deutsche (8,9 Prozent) Aktien oder Anteile an Aktienfonds.
Die Entwicklung im Jahr 2005 verlief nicht gleichmäßig. Im ersten Halbjahr stieg die Zahl der Anleger, die sowohl Aktien als auch Anteile an Aktienfonds besaßen, um 6,3 Prozent. Die Zahl der reinen Aktionäre blieb dagegen mit einer Steigerung von 0,3 Prozent nahezu unverändert. Demgegenüber erhöhte sich die Zahl der reinen Aktionäre im zweiten Halbjahr um 5,3 Prozent, während die Zahl der Anleger in beide Anlageformen um 6,8 Prozent sank.
"Die steigenden Kurse im zweiten Halbjahr haben die Anleger verstärkt zur Direktanlage motiviert," kommentierte Rüdiger von Rosen, Leiter des Deutschen Aktieninstituts, die Umfrageergebnisse. "Das Jahr 2005 war ein gutes Jahr für die Aktie und die Aktionäre. Im internationalen Vergleich dürfen wir uns hiermit aber nicht zufrieden geben."
Die Aktie müsse in breiten Bevölkerungskreisen intensiver genutzt werden als bisher, aber auch mehr Unternehmen müssten an die Börse gehen, forderte von Rosen. "Ein wichtiger Ansatzpunkt hierfür ist eine Steuerpolitik, die den Kapitalmarkt wie auch die betriebliche und private Altersvorsorge fördert. Die für 2008 geplante Unternehmenssteuerreform muss hier die richtigen Weichen stellen."
bei den aktien wirds ein großer wilder
Im Jahr 2005 ist die Gesamtzahl der Aktienanleger in Deutschland um fast 300.000 gestiegen. Dies geht aus den jüngsten Infratest-Umfragen im Auftrag des Deutschen Aktieninstituts hervor. Danach besaßen im Jahr 2005 10,8 Millionen Deutsche Aktien oder Anteile an Aktienfonds. Dies entspricht 16,7 Prozent der Bevölkerung über 14 Jahren. Die Zahl der direkten Aktionäre nahm um 133.000 auf 4,7 Millionen zu, die Zahl der Fondsbesitzer um 212.000 auf 8,1 Millionen.
Gegenüber 1997 hat sich die Gesamtzahl der Aktienanleger damit trotz der Rückgänge nach dem Höchststand 2001 nahezu verdoppelt. Damals besaßen erst 5,6 Millionen Deutsche (8,9 Prozent) Aktien oder Anteile an Aktienfonds.
Die Entwicklung im Jahr 2005 verlief nicht gleichmäßig. Im ersten Halbjahr stieg die Zahl der Anleger, die sowohl Aktien als auch Anteile an Aktienfonds besaßen, um 6,3 Prozent. Die Zahl der reinen Aktionäre blieb dagegen mit einer Steigerung von 0,3 Prozent nahezu unverändert. Demgegenüber erhöhte sich die Zahl der reinen Aktionäre im zweiten Halbjahr um 5,3 Prozent, während die Zahl der Anleger in beide Anlageformen um 6,8 Prozent sank.
"Die steigenden Kurse im zweiten Halbjahr haben die Anleger verstärkt zur Direktanlage motiviert," kommentierte Rüdiger von Rosen, Leiter des Deutschen Aktieninstituts, die Umfrageergebnisse. "Das Jahr 2005 war ein gutes Jahr für die Aktie und die Aktionäre. Im internationalen Vergleich dürfen wir uns hiermit aber nicht zufrieden geben."
Die Aktie müsse in breiten Bevölkerungskreisen intensiver genutzt werden als bisher, aber auch mehr Unternehmen müssten an die Börse gehen, forderte von Rosen. "Ein wichtiger Ansatzpunkt hierfür ist eine Steuerpolitik, die den Kapitalmarkt wie auch die betriebliche und private Altersvorsorge fördert. Die für 2008 geplante Unternehmenssteuerreform muss hier die richtigen Weichen stellen."
.... na dann bin ich ja froh, dass ich heute meinen Silber Call mit 50% Gewinn verkauft habe
und mir den GS0E3C zugelegt habe...
... is aber nur kurzfristig ...
und mir den GS0E3C zugelegt habe...
... is aber nur kurzfristig ...
zu 1: dann werde ich mal meine elefantenbüchse aus dem schrank holen und den bär erlegen
9: spaß muß sein, sonst wäre das leben doch zu langweilig.
Mindestens bis März gehts noch steil rauf.
Oder runter
Der Silberbulle wird über Nacht empfindlich vom Bären verprügelt und erhält die ersten Verletzungen.
Oh JA !
Der Fahrstuhl geht nach unten.
Heute Gap down und "Ouch-Sell" (für Kenner).
Der Fahrstuhl geht nach unten.
Heute Gap down und "Ouch-Sell" (für Kenner).
Die Bullen bekommen heute ja schön einen auf die Mütze. Mir soll`s recht sein.
Der Short-Seller ist bei Gott beliebt, weil er nichts hat und trotzdem gibt.
G.
Short Signal für silber wurde heute auf meiner website bei einem Stand von
9.70 USD
publiziert.
http://www.GunTech-Trading.com
9.70 USD
publiziert.
http://www.GunTech-Trading.com
Jaja, es geht weiter bergab. War wohl nix mit steil aufwärts, gell ? 
http://www.GunTech-Trading.com
Be a winner.
http://www.GunTech-Trading.com
Be a winner.
was für ein glück, daß ich fast alles erlegt habe, bis auf wenige ausnahmen. es kann kommen was will
[posting]20.161.061 von BarceloFuerte am 12.02.06 01:02:33[/posting]wer keine hat wenns fällt hat auch keine wenns hoch geht
[posting]20.151.828 von GunTechTrading am 11.02.06 13:33:32[/posting]Hi,
anbei Sonntagslektüre zur Erklärung der extremen Volatilität am Goldmarkt. Leute wie Du helfen kräftig mit, unerfahrene Anleger aus dem Sack zu schütteln.
(...)
At exchanges where the contracts are traded upon a fully electronic platform where orders can flow directly into the exchange`s order system, the result is a near instantaneous execution of an order that had a buy or sell signal generated only mere seconds earlier! You want to talk about lightning fast!
Think about this for a minute and you will begin to understand the repercussions of this development and how it can result in unprecedented barrages of orders flowing into the exchange at any given moment in time. In time past, orders had to be phoned in to a broker`s desk who then phoned it down to the floor which then sent the order into the pit via a runner to the floor broker who then executed it. The process had by today`s standard, a huge time lag. Not any more. The process is frighteningly efficient.
Now, I submit that it is this very process which lies behind the unbelievable wild swings and huge intraday price movements that mark so many of today`s markets, especially the futures markets. At any moment in time, thousands of these computers are tracking the very same price data in a given market. Any move that therefore triggers a sell signal on one will soon trigger a sell signal on another. That will trigger yet another sell signal on a third and so on and so on and so on.
In reality the sell signals are being triggered on more computers than one at a time but you can understand my point here. With all these fully automated trading systems sending their orders to the exchange within seconds of one another, all price movements become incredibly exaggerated as sell order upon sell order is piled upon the next. The net result is that existing bids can be swamped in a matter of mere seconds producing a snowball effect that quickly becomes an avalanche.
This is precisely what we witnessed in gold on Tuesday, February 8, 2006, this week. It is also the exact same thing which we have seen for better than a year in the copper market as well.
The interesting thing about this is that while the intraday sell offs can quickly cascade out of control, the price reactions seem to be finishing up much swifter than they have done in the past with the result that the primary trend is reasserting itself much sooner than was the case formerly. In other words, though the price reactions tend to be more brutal on an intraday basis, they also are completed in a shorter time frame before the market resumes the direction of the previous trend.
(…)
It simply gets done as the computer is not programmed to get its job done with skill - it is incapable of that - it only knows to sell and so that is what it does and it does that automatically by continuing to send its orders to the exchange until it has exhausted them. Unless that same system then somehow gets flipped to generating a new signal to go short, the selling is exhausted within a matter of days and there is no one left to further sell the market. At that point, fundamentally oriented traders looking to buy jump back in and the market then reverses itself and heads back up with the result that the same hedge fund computerized trading systems are now sending buy orders to the very market that they just finished selling a few sessions ago.
(…)
The entire upward course of copper over the past couple of years has been punctuated by these days in which we have seen huge downdrafts only for the market to apparently shrug them off within days and then proceed to make new high after new high.
Take a look at the charts below and you will see these some of these big down days noted for you.
(…)
Note the sharp sell offs and the resulting paper losses for longs during these periods. Yet note how quickly the market recovered and once again went on to make new highs in a relatively short period of time after what appeared would be a debacle for the longs. Opportunistic shorts who tried their luck at this market soon learned the hard way what it means to try trading against the primary trend. The big two-day downside cascade of June 30 and July 1 was completely erased in the next 4 trading sessions. It took 9 days to undo the $8.20 swoon in mid August but nevertheless, it too came and went.
(…)
Folks this all seems quite cold and distant when we can sit here and objectively analyze these things but I can assure you, any trader who is long and is stomaching those kind of paper losses is anything but calm and serene while this is occurring. It is absolutely guy wrenching to witness these kinds of swings in one`s trading account. An element of distrust is always introduced; "Could I be wrong? Is the move up finished? Is the bull market history? Where are all the buyers?" Those are the thoughts that a trader grapples with after a brutal sell off of this sort. Yet the amazing thing is that in both cases in this contract, the losses evaporated within days and the market stormed on to make yet more new highs. The ferocity and intensity of the sell off was quite severe while it was occurring but it was also incredibly short lived.
(…)
The point I have been attempting to make here is that the computerized trading systems that no doubt are being employed by the macro funds playing copper have sent many a sell order at the same time on the same day into the copper pit over the last year. The result has been stunningly severe sell-offs which rocked the bulls` convictions to the core but nonetheless, when looking back, were nothing but momentary blips on the radar screen of this massive bull market that copper is experiencing. Each correction instead of lasting for weeks on end has been relatively short-lived with the primary trend quickly reasserting itself within a short period of time.
Looking at this particular market it certainly seems that my observation about price reactions being brutal yet short lived has some credence to it. But is this phenomenon peculiar only to copper or is it perhaps the beginning of a more common pattern of market behavior? Are these computerized systems so efficient at their tasks that they can actually condense heretofore reactions into a shorter time frame?
I am not yet sure about this to be perfectly honest but I do find that many different commodity markets seem to displaying this same sort of pattern of late - Strong, sustained up moves accompanied by swift, sharp and brutal sell offs which run their course in the matter of a couple of days or a week at best before the bullish uptrend reasserts itself.
I strongly suspect that gold is not going to be immune from this pattern. Why? Because all of these various commodities that exhibit this pattern have one thing in common - the fundamentals behind the upward move in price are so strongly bullish that speculators, particularly hedge funds, want in no matter what. Demand seems insatiable and rising prices are simply not slowing it down. Simply put, people want the stuff and keep paying up to get it. While the downdrafts are gut-wrenching, the setbacks in price are viewed as buying opportunities by those either wishing to get in or those wishing to add to their existing long positions. The computer generated sell-offs flush massive amounts of positions out of the market but demand is so strong that fundamentally oriented buyers rush back in on the heels of these sell-offs. Their buying then flips the trading systems back to the buy mode resulting in an avalanche of new automated buy orders. These in turn drive the price on up to new highs where the advance temporarily stalls out as the market pauses. Then the entire process repeats itself all over again as the sell signals get generated and down it goes again only to pop back up like a cork in the matter of a few days. It is really something to behold.
The conclusion to this is simple - get used to this wild volatility in the gold market - it is here to stay and is only going to become worse the deeper we get into this phase of the bull market and the more that the bullish fundamentals intensify. Be very careful about heeding the siren songs of those who are willing to call for a top in gold every time it experiences a significant down day or two - remember copper! The more macro funds that are attracted to gold, the more open interest is going to surge. The more open interest surges, the more volume is going to increase. The more volume increases the wider the daily trading range is going to become. The wider the trading range becomes, the more chance there will be for automated trading systems to generate buy and sell signals. The result - more volatility and wicked price swings on both an intraday and day to day basis.
Trading discipline is essential if you are going to survive this period and prosper. That means respecting trendlines and watching for support and resistance levels to develop. Watch for stalling markets in particular as those will be the time periods in which the computerized trading systems are the most dangerous since patience is not one of their virtues.
Novices and even some of your more experienced traders would do well to keep this in mind and be careful about the position size you put on. We are entering the period in which gut-wrenching is going to be commonplace and unless you want to live on a diet of Maalox or Alka-Seltzer, it will be prudent to know your emotional limitations.
Dan Norcini
10 February 2006
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/norcini021006.html
anbei Sonntagslektüre zur Erklärung der extremen Volatilität am Goldmarkt. Leute wie Du helfen kräftig mit, unerfahrene Anleger aus dem Sack zu schütteln.
(...)
At exchanges where the contracts are traded upon a fully electronic platform where orders can flow directly into the exchange`s order system, the result is a near instantaneous execution of an order that had a buy or sell signal generated only mere seconds earlier! You want to talk about lightning fast!
Think about this for a minute and you will begin to understand the repercussions of this development and how it can result in unprecedented barrages of orders flowing into the exchange at any given moment in time. In time past, orders had to be phoned in to a broker`s desk who then phoned it down to the floor which then sent the order into the pit via a runner to the floor broker who then executed it. The process had by today`s standard, a huge time lag. Not any more. The process is frighteningly efficient.
Now, I submit that it is this very process which lies behind the unbelievable wild swings and huge intraday price movements that mark so many of today`s markets, especially the futures markets. At any moment in time, thousands of these computers are tracking the very same price data in a given market. Any move that therefore triggers a sell signal on one will soon trigger a sell signal on another. That will trigger yet another sell signal on a third and so on and so on and so on.
In reality the sell signals are being triggered on more computers than one at a time but you can understand my point here. With all these fully automated trading systems sending their orders to the exchange within seconds of one another, all price movements become incredibly exaggerated as sell order upon sell order is piled upon the next. The net result is that existing bids can be swamped in a matter of mere seconds producing a snowball effect that quickly becomes an avalanche.
This is precisely what we witnessed in gold on Tuesday, February 8, 2006, this week. It is also the exact same thing which we have seen for better than a year in the copper market as well.
The interesting thing about this is that while the intraday sell offs can quickly cascade out of control, the price reactions seem to be finishing up much swifter than they have done in the past with the result that the primary trend is reasserting itself much sooner than was the case formerly. In other words, though the price reactions tend to be more brutal on an intraday basis, they also are completed in a shorter time frame before the market resumes the direction of the previous trend.
(…)
It simply gets done as the computer is not programmed to get its job done with skill - it is incapable of that - it only knows to sell and so that is what it does and it does that automatically by continuing to send its orders to the exchange until it has exhausted them. Unless that same system then somehow gets flipped to generating a new signal to go short, the selling is exhausted within a matter of days and there is no one left to further sell the market. At that point, fundamentally oriented traders looking to buy jump back in and the market then reverses itself and heads back up with the result that the same hedge fund computerized trading systems are now sending buy orders to the very market that they just finished selling a few sessions ago.
(…)
The entire upward course of copper over the past couple of years has been punctuated by these days in which we have seen huge downdrafts only for the market to apparently shrug them off within days and then proceed to make new high after new high.
Take a look at the charts below and you will see these some of these big down days noted for you.
(…)
Note the sharp sell offs and the resulting paper losses for longs during these periods. Yet note how quickly the market recovered and once again went on to make new highs in a relatively short period of time after what appeared would be a debacle for the longs. Opportunistic shorts who tried their luck at this market soon learned the hard way what it means to try trading against the primary trend. The big two-day downside cascade of June 30 and July 1 was completely erased in the next 4 trading sessions. It took 9 days to undo the $8.20 swoon in mid August but nevertheless, it too came and went.
(…)
Folks this all seems quite cold and distant when we can sit here and objectively analyze these things but I can assure you, any trader who is long and is stomaching those kind of paper losses is anything but calm and serene while this is occurring. It is absolutely guy wrenching to witness these kinds of swings in one`s trading account. An element of distrust is always introduced; "Could I be wrong? Is the move up finished? Is the bull market history? Where are all the buyers?" Those are the thoughts that a trader grapples with after a brutal sell off of this sort. Yet the amazing thing is that in both cases in this contract, the losses evaporated within days and the market stormed on to make yet more new highs. The ferocity and intensity of the sell off was quite severe while it was occurring but it was also incredibly short lived.
(…)
The point I have been attempting to make here is that the computerized trading systems that no doubt are being employed by the macro funds playing copper have sent many a sell order at the same time on the same day into the copper pit over the last year. The result has been stunningly severe sell-offs which rocked the bulls` convictions to the core but nonetheless, when looking back, were nothing but momentary blips on the radar screen of this massive bull market that copper is experiencing. Each correction instead of lasting for weeks on end has been relatively short-lived with the primary trend quickly reasserting itself within a short period of time.
Looking at this particular market it certainly seems that my observation about price reactions being brutal yet short lived has some credence to it. But is this phenomenon peculiar only to copper or is it perhaps the beginning of a more common pattern of market behavior? Are these computerized systems so efficient at their tasks that they can actually condense heretofore reactions into a shorter time frame?
I am not yet sure about this to be perfectly honest but I do find that many different commodity markets seem to displaying this same sort of pattern of late - Strong, sustained up moves accompanied by swift, sharp and brutal sell offs which run their course in the matter of a couple of days or a week at best before the bullish uptrend reasserts itself.
I strongly suspect that gold is not going to be immune from this pattern. Why? Because all of these various commodities that exhibit this pattern have one thing in common - the fundamentals behind the upward move in price are so strongly bullish that speculators, particularly hedge funds, want in no matter what. Demand seems insatiable and rising prices are simply not slowing it down. Simply put, people want the stuff and keep paying up to get it. While the downdrafts are gut-wrenching, the setbacks in price are viewed as buying opportunities by those either wishing to get in or those wishing to add to their existing long positions. The computer generated sell-offs flush massive amounts of positions out of the market but demand is so strong that fundamentally oriented buyers rush back in on the heels of these sell-offs. Their buying then flips the trading systems back to the buy mode resulting in an avalanche of new automated buy orders. These in turn drive the price on up to new highs where the advance temporarily stalls out as the market pauses. Then the entire process repeats itself all over again as the sell signals get generated and down it goes again only to pop back up like a cork in the matter of a few days. It is really something to behold.
The conclusion to this is simple - get used to this wild volatility in the gold market - it is here to stay and is only going to become worse the deeper we get into this phase of the bull market and the more that the bullish fundamentals intensify. Be very careful about heeding the siren songs of those who are willing to call for a top in gold every time it experiences a significant down day or two - remember copper! The more macro funds that are attracted to gold, the more open interest is going to surge. The more open interest surges, the more volume is going to increase. The more volume increases the wider the daily trading range is going to become. The wider the trading range becomes, the more chance there will be for automated trading systems to generate buy and sell signals. The result - more volatility and wicked price swings on both an intraday and day to day basis.
Trading discipline is essential if you are going to survive this period and prosper. That means respecting trendlines and watching for support and resistance levels to develop. Watch for stalling markets in particular as those will be the time periods in which the computerized trading systems are the most dangerous since patience is not one of their virtues.
Novices and even some of your more experienced traders would do well to keep this in mind and be careful about the position size you put on. We are entering the period in which gut-wrenching is going to be commonplace and unless you want to live on a diet of Maalox or Alka-Seltzer, it will be prudent to know your emotional limitations.
Dan Norcini
10 February 2006
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/norcini021006.html
Meine Intention ist es nicht, "Anleger" zu verunsichern.
Es geht in der Sache ja wohl darum, Geld zu verdienen.
Ich hab mir hier den Spass gemacht, 2 nette Short-Einstiegspunkte für Silber und Gold zu posten. Ob die Korrektur von kurzer Dauer ist oder nicht wird sich zeigen.
Ich hab damit bereits schön Geld verdient, stop-loss ist in der Gewinnzone bei mir.
Mit den besten Grüßen
http://www.GunTech-Trading.com
Es geht in der Sache ja wohl darum, Geld zu verdienen.
Ich hab mir hier den Spass gemacht, 2 nette Short-Einstiegspunkte für Silber und Gold zu posten. Ob die Korrektur von kurzer Dauer ist oder nicht wird sich zeigen.
Ich hab damit bereits schön Geld verdient, stop-loss ist in der Gewinnzone bei mir.
Mit den besten Grüßen
http://www.GunTech-Trading.com
Und es geht munter weiter runter.
Bald ist die Freude wieder groß dann geht es wieder hoch.
Na,
wo ist denn der SILBER-Bär geblieben, auf einmal verstummt?
wo ist denn der SILBER-Bär geblieben, auf einmal verstummt?
[posting]20.462.899 von Fruehrentner am 02.03.06 13:31:33[/posting]Der kann sich nur noch per handy melden, weil er in der zugeschnappten Bärenfalle hängt
# 26
Unser Silberbär lernt vermutlich gerade ein paar neue Börsenbegriffe :
z. B.: Stoploss overrun ! Hab ich mal gehabt, war "lustig"
Unser Silberbär lernt vermutlich gerade ein paar neue Börsenbegriffe :
z. B.: Stoploss overrun ! Hab ich mal gehabt, war "lustig"
# 26 wuzge
Morgen werden sich wieder alle notorischen Silberbären melden und uns mitteilen, daß sie ihre shortpositionen gerade noch rechtzeitig (mit hohen Gewinn , versteht sich) verkauft haben und jetzt natürlich wieder long sind, völlig klar.
Wie ich diese Jungs beneide, wegen ihres Timings, kann ich Dir gar nicht sagen. Unsereins muß sich ja mit den schäbigen paar % auf der Longseite abgeben Aber die Kollegen von der trading-Abteilung haben es echt drauf.
Gruß Looe
Morgen werden sich wieder alle notorischen Silberbären melden und uns mitteilen, daß sie ihre shortpositionen gerade noch rechtzeitig (mit hohen Gewinn , versteht sich) verkauft haben und jetzt natürlich wieder long sind, völlig klar.
Wie ich diese Jungs beneide, wegen ihres Timings, kann ich Dir gar nicht sagen. Unsereins muß sich ja mit den schäbigen paar % auf der Longseite abgeben
Aber die Kollegen von der trading-Abteilung haben es echt drauf.Gruß Looe
Unsereins muß sich ja mit den schäbigen paar % auf der Longseite abgeben
Hi Loe,
die schäbigen 7-18% in den Silberexplorern machen heute wieder bloß 5000 Euro und die schäbigen 4% im Silbermetall machen heute wieder bloß 6000 Euro. Die Tradingabteilung hat heute mit Sicherheit wieder mindestens das doppelte abgeräumt wenn nicht noch weniger. Wie machen die das bloß immer?
Gruß
wuzge
Hi Loe,
die schäbigen 7-18% in den Silberexplorern machen heute wieder bloß 5000 Euro und die schäbigen 4% im Silbermetall machen heute wieder bloß 6000 Euro. Die Tradingabteilung hat heute mit Sicherheit wieder mindestens das doppelte abgeräumt wenn nicht noch weniger. Wie machen die das bloß immer?
Gruß
wuzge
[posting]19.978.201 von xxAktienbaer am 31.01.06 17:45:51[/posting]na hallo -- so eine Überraschung 
[posting]19.978.201 von xxAktienbaer am 31.01.06 17:45:51[/posting]
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