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Interessanter Artikel aus der NY Times:
Mutually Assured Disruption
By David Frum
10 October 2006
The New York Times
Late Edition - Final
WASHINGTON -- THE North Korean nuclear test -- if that indeed is what it was -- signals the catastrophic collapse of a dozen years of American policy. Over that period, two of the world's most dangerous regimes, Pakistan and North Korea, have developed nuclear weapons and the missiles to launch them. Iran, arguably the most dangerous of them all, will surely follow, unless some dramatic action is soon taken.
It is, alas, an iron law of modern diplomacy that the failure of any diplomatic process only proves the need for more of the process that has just failed. Thus those who have long supported negotiating with North Korea are now calling for the Bush administration to begin direct talks with the Kim Jong-il regime. Sorry, but all this would accomplish would be to reward an actual proliferator in order to preserve the illusion that the world still has a meaningful nonproliferation regime.
Some even suggest, in worried tones, that the North Korean test might provoke Japan to go nuclear, as if the worst possible consequence of nuclear weapons in the hands of one of America's direst enemies would be the acquisition of nuclear weapons by one of America's best friends.
A new approach is needed. America has three key strategic goals in the wake of the North Korean nuclear test. The first is to enhance the security of those American allies most directly threatened by North Korean nuclear weapons: Japan and South Korea.
The second is to exact a price from North Korea for its nuclear program severe enough to frighten Iran and any other rogue regimes considering following the North Korean path.
The last is to punish China. North Korea could not have completed its bomb if China, which provides the country an immense amount of food and energy aid, had strongly opposed it. Apparently, Beijing sees some potential gain in the uncertainty that North Korea's status brings. If China can engage in such conduct cost-free, what will deter Russia from aiding the Iranian nuclear program, or Pakistan someday aiding a Saudi or Egyptian one?
To meet these three goals, the United States should adopt four swift policy responses:
Step up the development and deployment of existing missile defense systems.
The United States has already fielded 11 missile interceptors, nine in Alaska and two in California. The Navy has designed ship-based interceptors as well. As we well know, they are not perfect -- but they are something.
Until now this lack of perfection has been allowed to block full deployment of the technology. But missile defenses do not need to be perfect to complicate any aggressive action by a comparatively weak power like North Korea against the United States or its allies.
And deploying a missile defense of growing effectiveness also helps achieve another goal -- it would indirectly punish China by corroding the power of the missiles China uses to intimidate Taiwan.
End humanitarian aid to North Korea and pressure South Korea to do the same.
Since 1995, the United States has provided more than two million tons of food aid to North Korea, plus considerable energy assistance. Officially, Washington says it has ''delinked'' its humanitarian aid from strategic concerns. Many United States officials believe that continuing this aid will sustain hopes for a better American-North Korean relationship in the future. Yet if the United States continues to send such aid even after an illicit nuclear test, North Korean leaders may well conclude that their aggressive actions have won them almost absolute impunity.
An end to humanitarian aid would not only exact a considerable direct price from North Korea, but it would also hurt China. Chinese leaders often justify their refusal to pressure North Korea by citing the risk of an economic collapse that would send millions of refugees northward into China. We could call that bluff: if a North Korean economic collapse is a thing China fears, why should the United States and South Korea shoulder the cost of helping to avert it? Let China pay the full cost of underwriting its aggressive client state.
Invite Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore to join NATO -- and even invite Taiwan to send observers to NATO meetings.
Perhaps North Korea and China imagine that the nuclear test has tilted the strategic balance in the Pacific in their favors. Now would be a good time to disabuse each of them of any such illusion. We need a tighter and stronger security arrangement in the Pacific region, one from which rogue states and those who support them are pointedly excluded. The NATO allies have agreed to expand the organization well beyond Western Europe; now we need to persuade them to make it global.
Encourage Japan to renounce the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and create its own nuclear deterrent.
World War II ended long ago, and it's time to put an end to the silly pretense that today's democratic Japan owes a burden of guilt to today's rising China. A nuclear Japan is the thing China and North Korea dread most (after, perhaps, a nuclear South Korea or Taiwan).
Not only would the nuclearization of Japan be a punishment of China and North Korea, but it would go far to meet our goal of dissuading Iran -- it would show Tehran that the United States and its friends will aggressively seek to correct any attempt by rogue states to unsettle any regional nuclear balance. The analogue for Iran, of course, would be the threat of American aid to improve Israel's capacity to hit targets with nuclear weapons.
Countries like North Korea and Iran seek nuclear weapons because they imagine that those weapons will enhance their security and power. The way to contain them is to convince them otherwise. When nonproliferation can be prevented by negotiation, that is always preferred. But when negotiation fails, as it has failed in North Korea and is failing in Iran, rogue regimes must be made to suffer for their dangerous nuclear ambitions.
Mutually Assured Disruption
By David Frum
10 October 2006
The New York Times
Late Edition - Final
WASHINGTON -- THE North Korean nuclear test -- if that indeed is what it was -- signals the catastrophic collapse of a dozen years of American policy. Over that period, two of the world's most dangerous regimes, Pakistan and North Korea, have developed nuclear weapons and the missiles to launch them. Iran, arguably the most dangerous of them all, will surely follow, unless some dramatic action is soon taken.
It is, alas, an iron law of modern diplomacy that the failure of any diplomatic process only proves the need for more of the process that has just failed. Thus those who have long supported negotiating with North Korea are now calling for the Bush administration to begin direct talks with the Kim Jong-il regime. Sorry, but all this would accomplish would be to reward an actual proliferator in order to preserve the illusion that the world still has a meaningful nonproliferation regime.
Some even suggest, in worried tones, that the North Korean test might provoke Japan to go nuclear, as if the worst possible consequence of nuclear weapons in the hands of one of America's direst enemies would be the acquisition of nuclear weapons by one of America's best friends.
A new approach is needed. America has three key strategic goals in the wake of the North Korean nuclear test. The first is to enhance the security of those American allies most directly threatened by North Korean nuclear weapons: Japan and South Korea.
The second is to exact a price from North Korea for its nuclear program severe enough to frighten Iran and any other rogue regimes considering following the North Korean path.
The last is to punish China. North Korea could not have completed its bomb if China, which provides the country an immense amount of food and energy aid, had strongly opposed it. Apparently, Beijing sees some potential gain in the uncertainty that North Korea's status brings. If China can engage in such conduct cost-free, what will deter Russia from aiding the Iranian nuclear program, or Pakistan someday aiding a Saudi or Egyptian one?
To meet these three goals, the United States should adopt four swift policy responses:
Step up the development and deployment of existing missile defense systems.
The United States has already fielded 11 missile interceptors, nine in Alaska and two in California. The Navy has designed ship-based interceptors as well. As we well know, they are not perfect -- but they are something.
Until now this lack of perfection has been allowed to block full deployment of the technology. But missile defenses do not need to be perfect to complicate any aggressive action by a comparatively weak power like North Korea against the United States or its allies.
And deploying a missile defense of growing effectiveness also helps achieve another goal -- it would indirectly punish China by corroding the power of the missiles China uses to intimidate Taiwan.
End humanitarian aid to North Korea and pressure South Korea to do the same.
Since 1995, the United States has provided more than two million tons of food aid to North Korea, plus considerable energy assistance. Officially, Washington says it has ''delinked'' its humanitarian aid from strategic concerns. Many United States officials believe that continuing this aid will sustain hopes for a better American-North Korean relationship in the future. Yet if the United States continues to send such aid even after an illicit nuclear test, North Korean leaders may well conclude that their aggressive actions have won them almost absolute impunity.
An end to humanitarian aid would not only exact a considerable direct price from North Korea, but it would also hurt China. Chinese leaders often justify their refusal to pressure North Korea by citing the risk of an economic collapse that would send millions of refugees northward into China. We could call that bluff: if a North Korean economic collapse is a thing China fears, why should the United States and South Korea shoulder the cost of helping to avert it? Let China pay the full cost of underwriting its aggressive client state.
Invite Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore to join NATO -- and even invite Taiwan to send observers to NATO meetings.
Perhaps North Korea and China imagine that the nuclear test has tilted the strategic balance in the Pacific in their favors. Now would be a good time to disabuse each of them of any such illusion. We need a tighter and stronger security arrangement in the Pacific region, one from which rogue states and those who support them are pointedly excluded. The NATO allies have agreed to expand the organization well beyond Western Europe; now we need to persuade them to make it global.
Encourage Japan to renounce the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and create its own nuclear deterrent.
World War II ended long ago, and it's time to put an end to the silly pretense that today's democratic Japan owes a burden of guilt to today's rising China. A nuclear Japan is the thing China and North Korea dread most (after, perhaps, a nuclear South Korea or Taiwan).
Not only would the nuclearization of Japan be a punishment of China and North Korea, but it would go far to meet our goal of dissuading Iran -- it would show Tehran that the United States and its friends will aggressively seek to correct any attempt by rogue states to unsettle any regional nuclear balance. The analogue for Iran, of course, would be the threat of American aid to improve Israel's capacity to hit targets with nuclear weapons.
Countries like North Korea and Iran seek nuclear weapons because they imagine that those weapons will enhance their security and power. The way to contain them is to convince them otherwise. When nonproliferation can be prevented by negotiation, that is always preferred. But when negotiation fails, as it has failed in North Korea and is failing in Iran, rogue regimes must be made to suffer for their dangerous nuclear ambitions.
...schickt die Führungsriege der Nordkoreaner zum Psychiater 
...
...das war kein Atomtest, sondern eine Sprengung von 500 Tonnen Sprengstoff
...und Alle gehen denen auf den Leim....
Charly
......das war kein Atomtest, sondern eine Sprengung von 500 Tonnen Sprengstoff
...und Alle gehen denen auf den Leim....
Charly
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 24.587.697 von Charly_2 am 12.10.06 20:40:47du bist denen auf den leim gegangen!
den massenmedien die aus einem atombombentest einen silvesterkracher macht...
die us-regierung versucht den test durch billige mittelsmänner(fox usw...) herunterzuspielen damit sie ihre geopolitischen strategien( krieg gegen den iran usw...) weiterverfolgen können
nord korea passt ihnen nicht in den kram ,und um atomwaffen geht es hier nicht...
oder bist du einer von den charlies die noch immer glauben beim irak-krieg ging es um massenvernichtungswaffen?
an deiner stelle würde ich ein wenig nachdenken bevor du deine lacher und grinser hier reinsetzt
ein wenig recherche würde dir auch nicht schaden
den massenmedien die aus einem atombombentest einen silvesterkracher macht...
die us-regierung versucht den test durch billige mittelsmänner(fox usw...) herunterzuspielen damit sie ihre geopolitischen strategien( krieg gegen den iran usw...) weiterverfolgen können
nord korea passt ihnen nicht in den kram ,und um atomwaffen geht es hier nicht...
oder bist du einer von den charlies die noch immer glauben beim irak-krieg ging es um massenvernichtungswaffen?
an deiner stelle würde ich ein wenig nachdenken bevor du deine lacher und grinser hier reinsetzt
ein wenig recherche würde dir auch nicht schaden
Neo-Cons Spin Dud Test To Hide Nuclear Hypocrisy
Drudge Report, Washington Times downplay blast to conceal stupidity of attacking Iran, source of North Korean nukes being Rumsfeld and Bush protected networks
Neo-Cons have seized upon doubts about the scale of North Korea's nuclear test to craft a talking point that the blast was a dud in an attempt to conceal the hypocrisy of hyping a war with a non-nuclear Iran in the face of North Korea's open proliferation, and the fact that Kim Jong-il bought his weapons from arms networks that were protected by the Bush administration.
Bill Gertz and the Washington Times, usually the first to spit out volleys of rampant fearmongering, especially concerning Iran's alleged nuclear agenda, are leading a chorus of government media mouthpieces in downplaying Sunday's underground atomic test.
"U.S. intelligence agencies say, based on preliminary indications, that North Korea did not produce its first nuclear blast yesterday," writes Gertz .
"The underground explosion, which Pyongyang dubbed a historic nuclear test, is thought to have been the equivalent of several hundred tons of TNT, far short of the several thousand tons of TNT, or kilotons, that are signs of a nuclear blast, the official said."
The U.S. seems to be alone in its assessment that the blast was non-nuclear - with Russia even claiming the explosion was comparable to the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
The Drudge Report, recently scorned for carrying erroneous stories that sought to defend the actions of Republican pervert and sexual predator Mark Foley, this morning carried the headline, "WAS IT A DUD?" underneath a jokey image of Kim Jong-il's character from the comedy animation hit Team America.
The spin is implicit - Kim Jong-il is an inconsequential buffoon and his grandstand announcement that North Korea had joined the nuclear club was nothing but hot air.
Why are these bootlicking Neo-Con hacks, breaking from their usual feverish exaggeration of anything that makes the world more dangerous, changing the script and attempting to poo-poo North Korea's actions?
Yesterday we reported that the wild card of the test could potentially derail planned air strikes on Iran because, as Mike Rivero pointed out, "It will be hard for Bush to sell an invasion of Iran because it might someday make nuclear weapons when North Korea definitely has them now."
The Neo-Con spin, that North Korea has not advanced to the point it claims and that the threat is diminished compared to more pressing targets of the Bush war machine, is intended to shield the hypocrisy of ignoring a nuclear-capable dictatorship that has threatened to destroy the world and fired test missiles that have hit Alaska , while obsessing about Iran, completely surrounded by U.S. client states and as much as fifteen years away from the bomb.
It is also an effort to offset questions about how Kim Jong-il acquired his arsenal in the first place.
Reports concerning developments in North Korea's nuclear program are routinely absent the "memory-holed" fact that it was Donald Rumsfeld , former non-executive director of ABB, that signed off on a $200 million dollar contract to sell nuclear reactors to the Stalinist state in November 2000.
In addition, it has now been confirmed that the A.Q. Khan network was directly connected to the feasibility of Sunday's test, having "through his network, transferred to North Korea "nearly two dozen" P-1 centrifuges, and the more sophisticated P-11 centrifuges," according to the London Independent .
It was at the behest of the Bush administration that investigations into Khan Research Laboratories, the Pakistani agency in charge of the bomb project, were thwarted.
"According to both sources and documents obtained by the BBC, the Bush Administration spike of the investigation of Dr. Khan's Lab followed from a wider policy of protecting key Saudi Arabians including the Bin Laden family," writes BBC reporter Greg Palast .
North Korea's bold entry into the nuclear club could not have been achieved without the help of the Bush administration and Donald Rumsfeld. Allied to the desperate need to legitimize air strikes against Iran, Sunday's events have created a fissure in the Neo-Con agenda that may demand an urgent change to the script.
Drudge Report, Washington Times downplay blast to conceal stupidity of attacking Iran, source of North Korean nukes being Rumsfeld and Bush protected networks
Neo-Cons have seized upon doubts about the scale of North Korea's nuclear test to craft a talking point that the blast was a dud in an attempt to conceal the hypocrisy of hyping a war with a non-nuclear Iran in the face of North Korea's open proliferation, and the fact that Kim Jong-il bought his weapons from arms networks that were protected by the Bush administration.
Bill Gertz and the Washington Times, usually the first to spit out volleys of rampant fearmongering, especially concerning Iran's alleged nuclear agenda, are leading a chorus of government media mouthpieces in downplaying Sunday's underground atomic test.
"U.S. intelligence agencies say, based on preliminary indications, that North Korea did not produce its first nuclear blast yesterday," writes Gertz .
"The underground explosion, which Pyongyang dubbed a historic nuclear test, is thought to have been the equivalent of several hundred tons of TNT, far short of the several thousand tons of TNT, or kilotons, that are signs of a nuclear blast, the official said."
The U.S. seems to be alone in its assessment that the blast was non-nuclear - with Russia even claiming the explosion was comparable to the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.
The Drudge Report, recently scorned for carrying erroneous stories that sought to defend the actions of Republican pervert and sexual predator Mark Foley, this morning carried the headline, "WAS IT A DUD?" underneath a jokey image of Kim Jong-il's character from the comedy animation hit Team America.
The spin is implicit - Kim Jong-il is an inconsequential buffoon and his grandstand announcement that North Korea had joined the nuclear club was nothing but hot air.
Why are these bootlicking Neo-Con hacks, breaking from their usual feverish exaggeration of anything that makes the world more dangerous, changing the script and attempting to poo-poo North Korea's actions?
Yesterday we reported that the wild card of the test could potentially derail planned air strikes on Iran because, as Mike Rivero pointed out, "It will be hard for Bush to sell an invasion of Iran because it might someday make nuclear weapons when North Korea definitely has them now."
The Neo-Con spin, that North Korea has not advanced to the point it claims and that the threat is diminished compared to more pressing targets of the Bush war machine, is intended to shield the hypocrisy of ignoring a nuclear-capable dictatorship that has threatened to destroy the world and fired test missiles that have hit Alaska , while obsessing about Iran, completely surrounded by U.S. client states and as much as fifteen years away from the bomb.
It is also an effort to offset questions about how Kim Jong-il acquired his arsenal in the first place.
Reports concerning developments in North Korea's nuclear program are routinely absent the "memory-holed" fact that it was Donald Rumsfeld , former non-executive director of ABB, that signed off on a $200 million dollar contract to sell nuclear reactors to the Stalinist state in November 2000.
In addition, it has now been confirmed that the A.Q. Khan network was directly connected to the feasibility of Sunday's test, having "through his network, transferred to North Korea "nearly two dozen" P-1 centrifuges, and the more sophisticated P-11 centrifuges," according to the London Independent .
It was at the behest of the Bush administration that investigations into Khan Research Laboratories, the Pakistani agency in charge of the bomb project, were thwarted.
"According to both sources and documents obtained by the BBC, the Bush Administration spike of the investigation of Dr. Khan's Lab followed from a wider policy of protecting key Saudi Arabians including the Bin Laden family," writes BBC reporter Greg Palast .
North Korea's bold entry into the nuclear club could not have been achieved without the help of the Bush administration and Donald Rumsfeld. Allied to the desperate need to legitimize air strikes against Iran, Sunday's events have created a fissure in the Neo-Con agenda that may demand an urgent change to the script.
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 24.587.697 von Charly_2 am 12.10.06 20:40:47so und jetzt lach mal schön...
aber schön brav im gleichschritt weitermarschieren!
aber schön brav im gleichschritt weitermarschieren!
In addition, it has now been confirmed that the A.Q. Khan network was directly connected to the feasibility of Sunday\'s test, having "through his network, transferred to North Korea "nearly two dozen" P-1 centrifuges, and the more sophisticated P-11 centrifuges," according to the London Independent .
Du darfst nicht die Luegen glauben, die von linken Spinnern im Netz verbreitet werden. Im Jahr 2000 hat Kim keine Reaktoren mehr bekommen. Die sind schon Mitte der 90er Jahre angeliefert worden: Von Jimmy Carter als Vermittler, Bill Clinton als US-Pres. und Maddy Albright als Aussenministerin. Und fuer sowas bekommt Jimmy den Friedensnobelpreis.
Und der grosse Witz ist jetzt: Die ganzen Demokraten, die damals die Nukleare Technologie angeliefert haben und nebenbei auch noch 5 Mrd Dollar Entwicklungshilfe beschweren sich jetzt, dass Kim erst seit Bush nach Nuklearwaffen greift.
Duemmer geht's nimmer. Wenn's nicht so schlimm waere, koennte man drueber lachen.
Du darfst nicht die Luegen glauben, die von linken Spinnern im Netz verbreitet werden. Im Jahr 2000 hat Kim keine Reaktoren mehr bekommen. Die sind schon Mitte der 90er Jahre angeliefert worden: Von Jimmy Carter als Vermittler, Bill Clinton als US-Pres. und Maddy Albright als Aussenministerin. Und fuer sowas bekommt Jimmy den Friedensnobelpreis.
Und der grosse Witz ist jetzt: Die ganzen Demokraten, die damals die Nukleare Technologie angeliefert haben und nebenbei auch noch 5 Mrd Dollar Entwicklungshilfe beschweren sich jetzt, dass Kim erst seit Bush nach Nuklearwaffen greift.
Duemmer geht's nimmer. Wenn's nicht so schlimm waere, koennte man drueber lachen.
schwachsinn links rechts
das sind doch nur strategien zur ablenkung
linke spinner, rechte spinner
noch so einer,mir wird gleich schlecht...
du bist UNTEN !
du bist das schaf!
mäh
aber du bist ein freies schaf!
du darfst dir aussuchen von wem du zur schlachtbank geführt wirst!
soll die klinge von links oder rechts kommen?
oida, wach auf!
das sind doch nur strategien zur ablenkung
linke spinner, rechte spinner
noch so einer,mir wird gleich schlecht...
du bist UNTEN !
du bist das schaf!
mäh
aber du bist ein freies schaf!
du darfst dir aussuchen von wem du zur schlachtbank geführt wirst!
soll die klinge von links oder rechts kommen?
oida, wach auf!
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 24.591.488 von tom2006 am 13.10.06 02:02:10Ach??? Und Du bist der alleinige Durchblicker? 
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Haindling
ja, das ist schon seltsam.
Während im Fall des Irak schon dubiose Verdachtsmomente bzgl. B- und C Waffen für einen Waffengang ausreichten wird im Fall der Nordkoreaner der A-Waffentest einfach mal angezweifelt, frei nach dem Motto:
Es kann nicht sein, was nicht sein darf.
Gleichzeitig wird auch noch ein Probeschießen weitreichender Raketen toleriert, mit dem laksen Kommentar, dass diese ja eh gescheitert sind.
Man stelle sich mal vor, der Iran würde ähnliches veranstalten.
Frage mich allmählich, wievieler Beweise es eigentlich noch bedarf, dass der grosse Weltpolizist in Nordamerika eine prophane Interessen- und Klientelpolitik verfolgt.
Eine militärische Auseinandersetzung mit Nordkorea verbietet sich letztlich allein deshalb, weil die im Zweifel einen mächtigen Waffenbruder im Rücken haben und es auch sonst da nichts nennenswertes zu holen gibt.
Das weiss natürlich auch Kim Jong-il und sein Gefolge und lässt ja nun wirklich keine Gelegenheit aus, uncle sam an die Hose zu pissen.
Letztlich haben die Nordkoreaner nicht mal den Versuch unternommen, ihren A-Waffentest geheim zu halten, sondern diesen mit viel tamtam noch vor kurzem gross angekündigt.
Die Iraker/Iraner hätte man doch schon für so eine Ankündigung aus dem Universum gebombt.
Während im Fall des Irak schon dubiose Verdachtsmomente bzgl. B- und C Waffen für einen Waffengang ausreichten wird im Fall der Nordkoreaner der A-Waffentest einfach mal angezweifelt, frei nach dem Motto:
Es kann nicht sein, was nicht sein darf.
Gleichzeitig wird auch noch ein Probeschießen weitreichender Raketen toleriert, mit dem laksen Kommentar, dass diese ja eh gescheitert sind.
Man stelle sich mal vor, der Iran würde ähnliches veranstalten.
Frage mich allmählich, wievieler Beweise es eigentlich noch bedarf, dass der grosse Weltpolizist in Nordamerika eine prophane Interessen- und Klientelpolitik verfolgt.
Eine militärische Auseinandersetzung mit Nordkorea verbietet sich letztlich allein deshalb, weil die im Zweifel einen mächtigen Waffenbruder im Rücken haben und es auch sonst da nichts nennenswertes zu holen gibt.
Das weiss natürlich auch Kim Jong-il und sein Gefolge und lässt ja nun wirklich keine Gelegenheit aus, uncle sam an die Hose zu pissen.
Letztlich haben die Nordkoreaner nicht mal den Versuch unternommen, ihren A-Waffentest geheim zu halten, sondern diesen mit viel tamtam noch vor kurzem gross angekündigt.
Die Iraker/Iraner hätte man doch schon für so eine Ankündigung aus dem Universum gebombt.
@ #10 von Cashlover
Frage mich allmählich, wievieler Beweise es eigentlich noch bedarf, dass der grosse Weltpolizist in Nordamerika eine prophane Interessen- und Klientelpolitik verfolgt.
Eine militärische Auseinandersetzung mit Nordkorea verbietet sich letztlich allein deshalb, weil die im Zweifel einen mächtigen Waffenbruder im Rücken haben
Nord-Korea hat 10000 Artillery-Geschuetze auf Seoul gerichtet. Mit oder ohne Nuklear-Waffen sind die eine Bedrohung, deswegen verbietet sich ein Militaerschlag.
und es auch sonst da nichts nennenswertes zu holen gibt.
Du hast es erfasst. Die Amis kaempfen da wo es sich fuer sie lohnt. Die Chinesen vertreten in Nord-Korea ihre oekonomischen Interessen und nehmen in Kauf, dass die Nachbarn jetzt vor den A-Waffen zittern. Die Russen vertreten im Iran ihre oekonomischen Interessen und beschuetzen den Iran in der Uno vor Sanktionen.
Du arbeitest auch da wo’s sich fuer dich lohnt. Oder arbeitest Du fuer lau?
Frage mich allmählich, wievieler Beweise es eigentlich noch bedarf, dass der grosse Weltpolizist in Nordamerika eine prophane Interessen- und Klientelpolitik verfolgt.
Eine militärische Auseinandersetzung mit Nordkorea verbietet sich letztlich allein deshalb, weil die im Zweifel einen mächtigen Waffenbruder im Rücken haben
Nord-Korea hat 10000 Artillery-Geschuetze auf Seoul gerichtet. Mit oder ohne Nuklear-Waffen sind die eine Bedrohung, deswegen verbietet sich ein Militaerschlag.
und es auch sonst da nichts nennenswertes zu holen gibt.
Du hast es erfasst. Die Amis kaempfen da wo es sich fuer sie lohnt. Die Chinesen vertreten in Nord-Korea ihre oekonomischen Interessen und nehmen in Kauf, dass die Nachbarn jetzt vor den A-Waffen zittern. Die Russen vertreten im Iran ihre oekonomischen Interessen und beschuetzen den Iran in der Uno vor Sanktionen.
Du arbeitest auch da wo’s sich fuer dich lohnt. Oder arbeitest Du fuer lau?
aus Wikipedia
Human rights
Main article: Human rights in North Korea
Amnesty International and other human rights organizations, including the North American Free Speech Association, accuse North Korea of having one of the worst human rights records of any nation, severely restricting most freedoms, including freedom of speech and freedom of movement, both inside the country and abroad.
North Korean exiles have testified as to the existence of detention camps with an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 inmates, and have reported torture, starvation, rape, murder and forced labour. [18] [19] Japanese television aired what it said was footage of a prison camp [20]. In some of the camps, US officials and former inmates say the annual mortality rate approaches 20% to 25% [21]. An estimated two million civilians have been killed by the government[6] A former prison guard and army intelligence officer said that in one camp, chemical weapons were tested on prisoners in a gas chamber [22]. According to a former prisoner, pregnant women inside the camps are often forced to have abortions or the newborn child is killed [23]. A recent TIME magazine article documents a young woman's forced abortion in a prison camp and subsequent escape from North Korea. The government of North Korea refuses to admit independent human rights observers to the state.
The government of North Korea has also been implicated in terrorist attacks in South Korea [24] (Wahn Kihl 1983: 106) as well as assassinations of dissidents in nearby states [25]
Human rights
Main article: Human rights in North Korea
Amnesty International and other human rights organizations, including the North American Free Speech Association, accuse North Korea of having one of the worst human rights records of any nation, severely restricting most freedoms, including freedom of speech and freedom of movement, both inside the country and abroad.
North Korean exiles have testified as to the existence of detention camps with an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 inmates, and have reported torture, starvation, rape, murder and forced labour. [18] [19] Japanese television aired what it said was footage of a prison camp [20]. In some of the camps, US officials and former inmates say the annual mortality rate approaches 20% to 25% [21]. An estimated two million civilians have been killed by the government[6] A former prison guard and army intelligence officer said that in one camp, chemical weapons were tested on prisoners in a gas chamber [22]. According to a former prisoner, pregnant women inside the camps are often forced to have abortions or the newborn child is killed [23]. A recent TIME magazine article documents a young woman's forced abortion in a prison camp and subsequent escape from North Korea. The government of North Korea refuses to admit independent human rights observers to the state.
The government of North Korea has also been implicated in terrorist attacks in South Korea [24] (Wahn Kihl 1983: 106) as well as assassinations of dissidents in nearby states [25]
Rein gar nix, denn es ist eigentlich ein Problem der Chinesen,
Komischerweise haben die das aber noch nicht begriffen. Spätestens, wenn auch Taiwan seine Atomwaffe hat, werden sie es auch begreifen.
Komischerweise haben die das aber noch nicht begriffen. Spätestens, wenn auch Taiwan seine Atomwaffe hat, werden sie es auch begreifen.
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 24.602.931 von puhvogel am 13.10.06 16:25:54@ puhvogel
Volle Zustimmung. Mit Nord-Korea koennen wir gar nichts machen. Abgesehen von Handelssanktionen. Also flugs ein paar Atombomben mitsamt Raketen an Taiwan und Japan liefern. Damit haetten wir China und Nord-Korea gleichzeitig bestraft. So steht\\\'s ja auch im Artikel der NY Times.
Volle Zustimmung. Mit Nord-Korea koennen wir gar nichts machen. Abgesehen von Handelssanktionen. Also flugs ein paar Atombomben mitsamt Raketen an Taiwan und Japan liefern. Damit haetten wir China und Nord-Korea gleichzeitig bestraft. So steht\\\'s ja auch im Artikel der NY Times.
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