Ex.-Div und Ex.-Bezugsrecht Auswirkung auf Aktien -CFDs - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[Jgersauce]

Im Hinblick auf die bevorstehende Kapitalerhöhung von HSBC holding aber auch ganz allg. würden mich eure Erfahrungen interessieren wie sich Ex-Div. und Ex-Bezugrecht auf den Kurs eines Aktien-CFDs auswirken.

Eine Ausschüttung an den Endkunden des CFD Halters ist wohl ausgeschlossen, meine Vermtung ist es wird einfach so weitergehandelt und der CFD nimmt dann einfach den Kurs der Aktie- ex an.

Damit würde eine Dividendenausschüttung eine gewisse Vorraussagbarkeit des CFD Kurses bieten...

Was meint ihr ?

[wallstone]

ja klar musst nur immer ein tag vorher short
gehen dann wirst du steinreich und die cfd broker alle bettelarm...

[Jgersauce]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 36.739.922 von wallstone am 10.03.09 18:59:46

Was ist daran so lustig

[Eichler8799]

Also hab mal einen Split mitgemacht, bekommst dann einfch einen neuen prozentualen Anteil. Ändert sich also nix im Wert, aber wie es bei der Dividende aussieht würde mich auch mal interessieren...

Grüße...

[Eichler8799]

aber so wie du meinst kannste bestimmt knicken. Kein Broker würde das mitmachen *lol*

[Jgersauce]

Was passiert mit Dividendenzahlungen?

Am Tag der Dividendenzahlung erfährt die betroffene Aktie in der Regel einen Abschlag (ex-Notierung) in Höhe der Dividende.

Als Käufer eines CFD haben Sie keinen Nachteil an Dividendenterminen, da Sie eine Dividenden-Gutschrift unter Berücksichtigung der Quellensteuer erhalten. Als Verkäufer eines CFD wird Ihnen die Dividende in entsprechender Höhe belastet.

Quelle : http://www.cfx-broker.de/de/was-passiert-mit-dividenden

[Jgersauce]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 36.741.136 von Jgersauce am 10.03.09 21:13:07

..und das ist das Ende der Geschichte. Ich hatte über 15000 € ertraded die wurden wieder geminsam mit allem anderen
Geld abgezogen aber erst sehr viel später :

CFD Dealer: Hello. How may I help you today?

you: XXXX why all my open position were closed ?

you: and my account closed ?

you: excuse me ?

you: you interfer my business I am dealing in line with your contract specifications

you: are you ready for any comment ?

you: cfdxxxx

you: hello

you: you closed position for about 200000 €

CFD Dealer: no sir

CFD Dealer: you owe us money

you: ?

you: ?

CFD Dealer: we will make adjustments first

CFD Dealer: then you can resume trading

you: I dont understand excuse me

CFD Dealer: you owe monies for several instruments in relation to ex-dividend date adjustments

you: There are not such rules in our contract

CFD Dealer: you have a distinct pattern of going short before the ex-dividend date and then closing out once the price has fallen

CFD Dealer: everyone knows that the price will fall on the day of an ex-div

CFD Dealer: it's not a market move. it's similar in nature to a rollover

you: I lost money today

you: its not always

you: in upmoving markets

you: like you said

you: and I made sure with your admin chat in this matter and they assure that the dividends will not be consider short or long I could only profit form the movemnt of the underlying share what is that your dealing administration said

you: that is what they said and I also cant find any detials concerning this matter on your website so I traded in according to ypur informations

CFD Dealer: one moment please

CFD Dealer: When the market opens on the ex-dividend date, the exchanges automatically decrease the price of the stock by the amount of the dividend. This is done because the dividend payout will decrease the value of the company, as it comes directly from the company's reserves. In light of this, any open position a client may have must be adjusted to reflect that change and as such be charged/paid depending on their direction. It's similar to a rollover charge in a futures market.

CFD Dealer: that is our policy regarding ex-dividend date adjustments

CFD Dealer: everyone knows that the price will drop and as such going short to profit from that merits an adjustment.

CFD Dealer: in fact, you owe us an additional 2400 which was not available in your account for D. Post trades

you: this could be your policy from today on published on your website and visible for everyone

CFD Dealer: no it's not sir

CFD Dealer: it's ever since

you: So what will happen to the 15769 € on my account

you: ?

you: why you adjusted it only now ?

you: and not before...

you: The Lufthansa share even droped more than the ex -Dividends

CFD Dealer: after a routine audit of your trading activity we founf that your accounts had these trades positioned

CFD Dealer: that is not the point. in that case you made money on it. you won the difference

you: now my account is on 120 € I started with 2500 €

CFD Dealer: if you were long on the trades, those would have been credite to your account

CFD Dealer: it goes both ways

you: So you just confiscated my money which I initaly deposited

CFD Dealer: no sir. we made adjustments to reflect the ex-dividend date amounts

you: there is no base in your contract specifications for this adjustments

you: and that is your neglection

you: so please be so fair and put the inital 2500 € on the account

you: you could be thankful to me that I found this leak in your contract specifications

CFD Dealer: no sir

CFD Dealer: it's no leak

CFD Dealer: all accounts are adjusted

CFD Dealer: ex-div date is a normal occurrence

you: I talked with your admin desk about it while the capital increase of HSBC holding they said explicit that CFDs only profiting from the movemnt of the underlyings

you: min: Welcome to GCI Financial-Customer Support, how may I assist you? you: Yes I would like to ask how GCI dealing with dividend payments in shares you: in CFD shares Admin: we are an online traidng company Admin: we dont pay out dividends

you: my normal trading gains from the beginning of this month are also gone

CFD Dealer: which is correct. we don't pay dividends because you don't actually own the shares

CFD Dealer: this is a different matter altogether. please read above explanations

CFD Dealer: EX-DIVIDEND DATE

CFD Dealer: not dividend payments

CFD Dealer: When the market opens on the ex-dividend date, the exchanges automatically decrease the price of the stock by the amount of the dividend

you: where can I read it you just added it to your web site ?

you: not always today in Allianz it was different

CFD Dealer: that is global industry convention

CFD Dealer: what do you mean?

CFD Dealer: you were short that is the point

you: I ment that today in case of the Allianz quotation it was not the case that the quotation dropped by the amount of divident amount

you: my account is bankruot now also the regular trading wins are conficated

CFD Dealer: that was for another reason. bank stocks rallied today; howver, the "fall" in the price was priced into the rally and as such went up less than it should have

CFD Dealer: we only adjusted for total sell lots you had on specific instruments which have had ex-dividend dates

you: if you would have made earlier the damage had been smaler

you: how do insure the cfd contracts you are selling to your customers,i ncase of short you just sell the underlying stock and if lonf you buy the stock ?

you: So where is the Divident going to if one has a long position ?

you: is it paid to his account for compensat the quotaton decrease ?

you: In case I have an Long position at the Ex-Div date in a CFD contract where is the divident going to ?

you: If you not pay out the dividend as you confirmed earlier where does the win goes to ,...?

CFD Dealer: if you are long you are credited on the same notion. basically, the market will fall and the difference in price is not necessarily a market move

you: ß

you: ?

you: Excuse me I didnt catch what

you: credited - I got an positive adjustment

you: ß

you: ?

CFD Dealer: yes sir

[Jgersauce]

und das ist das ende vom Lied 2


There are several reasons why the explanation of you and your colleges were insufficient to justify an annulment from your party of this specific trading position

1. with the explanation you gave its possible for you to nullify every successful trade of your customers because your customers cant verify what prices refer to you as market prices, and your company withhold from public market regulators, so we depend on your sincerity

2.there is not such option in our mutual business agreement, an option which on party could claim incorrect order or pricing as a reason for trades can be annulled afterwards, otherwise I would request annulment of all my trades which went wrong because they were based on mistakes. The market do not forgive mistakes and this is the same rule for all participants of the market otherwise worldwide markets would not function properly

3.The market was actually opening at 51525 in Sao Paolo http://finance.yahoo.com/ Symbol ^BVSP and at 51899 on GCI visible for thousands of your customers, so its total unclear to which price you want refer as correct an incorrect

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'CFD Dealer'
you: XXX XXX , gcixxxxcfd
you: request compensation for the closing of ticket 4942242 it was closed at 52289 instead of 52600 total I request adjustment of 130 US dollars.
you: I send you an email from xxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx and was promise to chat with your senior dealer
CFD Dealer: one moment please while I audit
you: about this matter
CFD Dealer: i am senior dealer. what exactly is your issue?
you: as request above
you: I request compensation for the closing of ticket 4942242 it was closed at 52289 instead of 52600 total I request adjustment of 130 US dollars.
you: Bovespa index today after market opening 8:00 am GCI time
CFD Dealer: ok sir
CFD Dealer: let me audit
you: yes please.
you: do you have it ?
you: Mr......
you: There are several reasons why the explanation of your colleges were insufficient to justify an annulment from your party of this specific trading position
CFD Dealer: Your patience is appreciated. I will be with you shortly
you: ok
CFD Dealer: ok sir. the audit shows that it was voided since the open rate was incorrect
CFD Dealer: the market started updating at 8:03 with an open rate of 52500
CFD Dealer: thus, the open at 52289 was incorrect and thus the reason for the closure
you: There are several reasons why the explanation of you and your colleges were insufficient to justify an annulment from your party of this specific trading position
you: 2.The market was actually opening at 51525 in Sao Paolo http://finance.yahoo.com/ Symbol ^BVSP and at 51899 on GCI visible for thousands of your customers, so its total unclear to which price you want refer as correct an incorrect
CFD Dealer: why?
CFD Dealer: please highlight them here
you: with the explanation you gave its possible for you to nullify every successful trade of your customers because your customers cant verify what prices refer to you as market prices, and your company withhold from public market regulators, so we depend on your sincerity
CFD Dealer: are you sure that is the futures contract?
CFD Dealer: they usually track cash
you: your underlying refer to the bovespa index otherwise it should be named Bovespa future AS YOU DIVIDE CUREENCIES INTO CURRENCY AND FOREX FUTURES
CFD Dealer: sir, please. that is no argument. all our index offerings are futures
CFD Dealer: http://www.gcitrading.com/rolldates
you: 2.The market was actually opening at 51525 in Sao Paolo http://finance.yahoo.com/ Symbol ^BVSP and at 51899 on GCI visible for thousands of your customers, so its total unclear to which price you want refer as correct an incorrect
you: with the explanation you gave its possible for you to nullify every successful trade of your customers because your customers cant verify what prices refer to you as market prices, and your company withhold from public market regulators, so we depend on your sincerity
you: here is not such option in our mutual business agreement, an option which on party could claim incorrect order or pricing as a reason for trades can be annulled afterwards, otherwise I would request annulment of all my trades which went wrong because they were based on mistakes. The market do not forgive mistakes and this is the same rule for all participants of the market otherwise worldwide markets would not function properly
you: this are enough reasons
CFD Dealer: ^BVSP is Cash Index
CFD Dealer: what sir? none of what you said is clear
CFD Dealer: i can show you the market data if you like
CFD Dealer: which you can verify
you: anyway on GCI the index opened t 51899 on GCI visible for thousands of your customers
you: your customers cant verify what prices refer to you as market prices
you: others as wqhich ypu are displaying
you: your dealing desk requoted the order and confirmed it
CFD Dealer: those were stale prices. the market had not started trading yet
CFD Dealer: the order was taken in error. the market was NOT there. thus the void
you: worldwide markets would not function properly if participants would be able to annul trades afterwards
CFD Dealer: there is always a "GAP" from the previous day's price to the new price which would look like one candle
you: there is not always a gap Mister
you: you know that
you: all your reasons are insufficient because you traded it and therefore are responsable, the same as I am responsible for my doing
CFD Dealer: you are only looking to make a quick buck. why would you want to trade on a price that does not exist in the market?
you: I cant judge if your quotations are correct or incorrect form your point of view
you: it exsisted thats the point Sao Paolo opened at 51525
you: so why should the future be 1000 points higher, I took the risk which you would not have compensated if failed
CFD Dealer: sir, if you had lost and the trade is incorrect, as in this case, we would give you back the loss
CFD Dealer: that is the point
CFD Dealer: http://www.bmf.com.br/portal/Home2/portal_english.asp
you: it was a regular trade inside the trading hour and you took the counterpart now you dont want to take responsibility
CFD Dealer: look at the chart (in green color) to the right on that page. where it says IND FUT M09
CFD Dealer: that is the intraday chart
you: http://finance.yahoo.com/ Symbol ^BVSP
CFD Dealer: you will see an open at the levels i've indicated
CFD Dealer: sir, are you not understanding that yahoo quote is for the CASH index
you: ok
CFD Dealer: we offer the futures contract traded on BM&F
you: let me check your contract specifications
you: It says Stock market indices Bovespa Index 3,570 1.0 = 0.50 8:00AM - 4:00PM
CFD Dealer: http://www.gcitrading.com/rolldates
CFD Dealer: if you look at the link above which is on that page as well, you will see that it is a futures contract
CFD Dealer: yes, that's what it is, a stock market index
CFD Dealer: but there are several different contract types of stock market indices
CFD Dealer: there's cash, there's futures and others
you: under roll dates I cant find the information that it is specificly a future it says Bovespa Index do I miss something ?
you: But anyway its not the popint becuase your dealing deak did the trade and I hold the contra positon , I would be in charge if failed
CFD Dealer: don't you see at the top it has the word "Futures" big?
you: there would have been no compensation
CFD Dealer: then if you continue reading it tells you more info
you: yes your right
you: but not on the contract specifications, anyway you withhold of any market regulators so your customers depend on your sincerity and I dont think you would have compensate me if it would have been the other way round, so why you not just admit it
you: I wanted to bet on rising Bovespa and it was the case
CFD Dealer: it was? the chart shows a downward movement
CFD Dealer: anyway, if you had incurred an unjust loss we would have credited
CFD Dealer: we always do
CFD Dealer: fair is fair
you: why the order was not requoted at 52500 I could have sold for 52800 I would also have won
you: if like you said the mrket opened at 52500 it moved until 52800 some minutes later, or you also want to question that ?
you: same I won 300 points
you: please compensate 150 US dollars
you: the trade was done, you dont want to take responsibility
you: Your bovespa future moved to 52870 do you want to question that ?
CFD Dealer: i can offer a trade as follows: open at 52530, and close at 52570
you: 8:30 am GCi time
CFD Dealer: that was way later
CFD Dealer: that is fine
CFD Dealer: but you would have already sold
CFD Dealer: as you sent order to close 8:07
CFD Dealer: so i can offer fills at those levels taking into consideration the rates at the time
you: because i made the assumption that my position was + 130 Dollars and that was the base of my decision otherwise I would have waited
CFD Dealer: we shouldn't be giving any trade, given your intentions to snipe the system.
CFD Dealer: however, as a gesture of good faith and good customer service I will offer that
CFD Dealer: take it or leave it
you: I wanted to bet on rising Bovespa because all market were positive
CFD Dealer: you can say that now. that is all after the fact now. had the market not gone in that way you would want us to leave it as is
you: your offer is insufficient for the risk I took
CFD Dealer: no
you: its 20 dollars
CFD Dealer: that is where the prices were at the time
CFD Dealer: it's better than 0.00, don't you think
CFD Dealer: ?
you: do you know why it is insufficient because I working all day
you: and it is undrepictable how you handle my future gains
you: and all your other order fillings are somethat incorrect and annoying that...
you: its a vaste of time
CFD Dealer: sir, it's evident that your sole purpose is to try and snipe the prices. you're always waiting for the price to jump and then you send in incorrect orders
you: ?????????????????????????????????????
you: your system is to slow to get succefull order fillings at favourable prices. Therefore I could charge you as scalping the customers orders and fill always at most unfavourable prices
you: I never got a better than requested filling which would be the case if orders would be filled at market prices as you say
CFD Dealer: the same reason you went short ahead of ex-dividend dates
you: its a lie
CFD Dealer: lie? you can go and read your reports
CFD Dealer: it's crystal clear
you: is it forbidden ?
CFD Dealer: sir, will you accept the offer? we are just going around in circles and we have other clients on line
you: to went short ahaed of ex divident dates ?
CFD Dealer: no it's not. but adjustments are made. you tried to dispute that
you: Yes becuase I asked several times ahead of the HSBC capital increase about this tern and the answer was that I can only profit from the movement of the underlying and there were no adjustments
you: but the adjustments were undertaken and it was paid
you: the bill was paid
you: different opinions are the base of market movements
you: but a bank should paid its orders sincerily
you: Your ex divident adjustments came too late, otherwise the damage would have been limited
you: it seems there are some neglections in your accounting
you: I suggest you a compensation equal to 50 US dollar for the bovespa incidence
you: today
you: open 52500 close 52600
you: how about that ?
CFD Dealer: no, sorry
CFD Dealer: we have to include spread
you: ok minus 15 dollars
you: one spread is enough
you: open 52500 close 52570
you: or open 52515 close 52585
CFD Dealer: same thing you did with ticket 4922583
CFD Dealer: that has been reversed as well FYI
CFD Dealer: market opened at 27.79
you: It was opened during market hours
CFD Dealer: market started trading at 3:02. again you sent an order at previous day's close.
CFD Dealer: you jam these things in knowing that the market has not started trading
you: You charge me as I am trading illegal
CFD Dealer: expecting to make a quick profit
CFD Dealer: it is
you: about what else is trading than make profits
you: ?
CFD Dealer: i agree 100%. but you have to do it the right way
CFD Dealer: you are sniping prices which are inexistent
CFD Dealer: if you go to a store today and the price of an item has changed, can you tell them you want it at last week's price?
you: this trade was 3 days ago its very unsincere to reverse it now
you: if the price tag is on the goods its legal to purchase it at this price, its like this in the EU
you: but I guess over the atlantic everything is different - the bigger party is right
you: A bank who reverse its trades afterwards in many incidence is absolutly illegal in EU. Before you ever want to enter the EU market GCI have to change significantly
CFD Dealer: ok
you: the reverse of 4945660 was a revenge for my request for compensation of Bovespa ?
you: You always find an excuse not to pay and put the customer in charge typicly US americans
CFD Dealer: no sir. but it was also opened at an incorrect rate
CFD Dealer: exactly like your bovespa
CFD Dealer: on that notion, clearly seeing your pattern, we cannot offer anything now
CFD Dealer: sorry
you: You said : i agree 100%. but you have to do it the right way
you: I agree but positon are not open fairly on GCI
you: always open to most unfavourable rates
you: which can be the case if they would be filled at market prices as you use to say because than it would be 50 / 50 so who was unsincere first ?
you: your spreads are too narrow
you: which should attract customers
you: If orders would be filles at market prices as you use to said it would be 50/50 with advantaging price fillings and notso good fillings
you: but its 99 % disadvantaging positons start with 15 to 20
you: Dollars minus although the spread is only 4 Dollars
you: Just filling the withdrawl request and account closing, guess both parties are not interessted in continuing business realtion
you: its sent already

[Jgersauce]

DER GCI REPORT :

Ich fange mit den Vorteilen an.

(+)

1.)Der GCIaccount wird in € oder $ geführt und alle Preise der Underlyings sind in der einen oder anderen Währung notiert! (d.h. wenn ich einen U$ Account habe notiert die Allianzaktie bei 70,34 U$,wenn ich einen €-Account habe steht sie bei 70,34€ . eine japanische Aktie z.b. Honda notiert dann z.b. bei 2850 € anstatt Yen) weshalb keine Währungsumrechnungen und Gebühren anfallen. Das macht GCI zu einem billigen Anbieter.

2.)Ein relativ weit gefächertes Angebot von Underlyings (ausreichend) zu sehr kleinen Spreads (theoretisch). Es entstehen keine weiteren Kosten außer, dass man die Spreads bezahlt. Theoretisch (eine Zeit lang erlaubte man mir das) konnte ich 100Deutsche Bank Aktien quasi für 5 U$ oder € einmal kaufen und verkaufen (unglaublich billig). Mit Vergleichsrealtimekursen von L&Schwarz und Stuttgart war es möglich durch ganz kurze Trades von 30 Sekunden bei so 50 Trades am Tag insgesamt 150 U$ zu verdienen. Das geht solange der GCI CFD Account im automatischen Orderausführungs Modus ist. Irgendwie muss GCI aber dabei Verlust machen und mein Account wurde in den manuellen Modus gewechselt, dann bleibt die Order in einem Orderbuch offen stehen bis sie durch einen Dealer ausgeführt wird.

3.)Es gibt die Möglichkeit IB Broker (Introducing Broker) zu werden - und seinen Bekannten, die Eltern oder Freundin einzuführen und dann auf dessen Account zu handeln und dafür pro Hin und Her Trade 1,25 €/$ zu kassieren. Da kann was zusammenkommen.

4.) Wer Englisch kann, kann sich im Chat mit den Dealern über die Orderausführungen streiten – sogar recht häufig mit Erfolg.

5.) Wenn man nicht in Deutschland wohnt oder auch wenn, kann man das Konto irgendwo auf der Welt eröffnen ohne das jemals irgendjemand etwas davon merkt. Es wird lediglich irgendein Zettel mit einer Adresse drauf zur Kontoeröffnung benötigt. Geld kann man auch über Paypal ein und auszahlen.

6.) Wenn das Konto aus irgendeinem Grunde mal ins Minus gerät, gibt es für GCI keine rechtliche Möglichkeit dich zum Nachschuss zu bewegen, da Offshore.

7.) Kursmanipulationen zu Abfischung von Stoppkursen und Kursmanipulationen halten sich in Grenzen, höchstens max. mal 5-10 Cent bei einem DAXwert wie Dt.Bank




(-) Nachteile

1.)Die theoretisch engen Spreads werden im manuellem Orderausführungsdmodus durch den Dealer zunichte gemacht. Bei einer Kauforder wartet er einfach bis der Kurs steigt und führt die Order zu einem höheren Kurs aus (die Differenz behält er ? = Slipage), fällt der Kurs während der stehenden Order macht der Dealer über ein PoP-Upfenster ein schlechteres Preisangebot.

2.) Es gibt die Möglichkeit Limitorders zu setzten aber nur mindestens 5 Punkte unter dem aktuellen Kurs. Bei steigendem Kurs gibt es also keine Möglichkeit eine Aktie zu einem festen Limit zu kaufen. Fällt der Kurs oder dippt mal kurz das Limit an wird die Limitorder zwar ausgelöst aber nicht ausgeführt, sondern erst wenn der Kurs weiter unter das Limit für eine Zeitlang fällt, wird die Order ausgeführt. Während die Order ausgelöst (getriggert) aber nicht ausgeführt ist, lässt sie sich aber nicht löschen, was sehr ärgerlich ist wenn man eine Limitkauforder in den steigenden Markt geben hat und der Trend dann umkehrt – ist man praktisch gefangen in der Order und gleich tief in Rot wenn die Order ausgeführt ist.

3.)Beschwert man sich im Chat über die Orderausführung bekommt man zwei Standardantworten. a.) Sir – alle Orders werden sofort zu Marktpreisen ausgeführt b.) Sir - die Order wurde nicht zum gewünschten Kurs ausgeführt, da der Markt nicht dort gehandelt hat. Beides kann aber nicht stimmen

Wenn a.) der Fall wäre müsste man ab und zu auch eine Ausführung besser als der gewünschte Preis bekommen, das ist aber praktisch nie der Fall.
Wenn b.) die Frage ist welcher Markt. GCI bezieht sich dabei auf denen ihren Datenprovider und das kann alles bedeuten. Ich bekam Aktien - Orders zu Preisen ausgeführt die nicht auf Xtra vorhanden waren(zu teuer). Habe denen Realtimekursliste von Xtra vorgelesen und die haben weiterhin behauptet es hätte zu dem höheren Kurs ein Umsatz gegeben. (das waren aber Kleinigkeiten).

4.) Die Kursanzeigen in der Tradingsoftware sind häufig inkorrekt. GCI hat für jedes Underlying bestimmte Handelszeiten. Trades außerhalb dieser Handelszeiten können nachträglich von deren Buchhaltung storniert werden. Es kann aber durchaus vorkommen, das man den FTSE Schlussstand vom Vortag noch morgens um 6.00 UHR kaufen kann ! – Manchmal sind die ein bisschen durcheinander. Ich habe natürlich das System auf solche Unstimmigkeiten hin abgesucht, dass hat natürlich einigen Ärger gegeben. Obwohl sie mir dafür noch dankbar sein sollten – denn jetzt haben sie einige Lücken geschlossen. Jedenfalls waren die am Ende so sauer, dass sie auch damit begonnen haben Trades innerhalb der Tradingzeiten zu stornieren – meistens Positionen die ich in den ersten 3 Minuten der Marktöffnung eröffnet hatte – mit der Begründung, dass ihr Datenfeed inkorrekt war – und der Markt noch nicht offen war. Z.b. bei Ex-Dividenden Kursen konnte man in der Eröffnung noch zum Vortagskurs kaufen. Soll das mein Fehler gewesen sein, das die Order ausgeführt wurde ?

Ein anderes mal habe ich am Anfang in den steigenden BOVESPA Index gekauft, die Order wurde sogar noch requotiert und ausgeführt und trotzdem hinterher storniert. Immer einige hundert Dollars. Die Begründung war: „Sir, the Market was not there – wir hätten diesen Trade auch storniert wenn er zu ihren Ungunsten ausgegangen wäre.“ Ich hätte warten sollen mit der Kauforder bis der Markt weiter gestiegen wäre. Ja sehr gute Idee für eine Long-Order zu warten bis der Markt steigt und ganz bestimmt hätten sie auch meine Oder storniert wenn der BOVESPA gefallen wäre und ich hätte beweisen können das der Bovespa Future September zu der Zeit höher war als die Order ausgeführt wurde – klingt alles sehr wahrscheinlich.

Am Ende habe ich sie darum gebeten auch alle meine Verlustrades zu stornieren, da sie auf meinen eigenen Fehlinformationen beruhten“ - das fanden sie aber nicht lustig.


5.)Die Buchhaltung ist etwas Chaotisch. Ersteinmal werden einem bei Kontoeröffnung bis zu 500 $/€ Bonustradingmargins gewährt, die aber nichts anderes als zinslose Kredite sind. Zahlt man bei 500 Bonustradingmargins dann zum Beispiel 2000 $/€ auf sein Konto ein und verliert durchs Traden 500 $/€ kann man nur noch 1500 abheben obwohl einem Bonustradingmargin eigentlich soetwas wie Gratisgeld suggeriert.

6.)Auf meine Nachfrage bei der HSBC Kapitalerhöhung wie sich Ex-Bezugsrecht auf den CFD auswirkt wurde mir versichert, dass sich der CFD nur auf den Kurs des Underlyings bezieht. Daraufhin habe ich insgesamt 17500 € durch Shortselling vor Ex-dividendendaten auf dem Konto angesammelt. Das hat die Buchhaltung erst nach 3 Wochen storniert. Etwas früher hätte den Schaden für GCI und mich wesentlich reduziert. OK das ganze war mehr oder weniger meine Schuld, die Buchhaltung bei GCI ist aber definitiv als schlampig zu bezeichnen.

7.)Wenn es im Notfall noch irgendwie möglich ist in den liquiden Underlyings (DAX, DOW, ÖL, EUR/$) irgendwie einen Gewinntrade zustande zubringen, warne ich davor in den sogenannten Exotics zu traden – das muss schiefgehen.


Fazit : Die Spreads bei GCI sind zu eng kalkuliert, das führt leider zu absolut inkorrektem Orderausführungen. Wenn die Kursinformationen und die Orderausführung korrekt wären ,wäre GCI mein Traumbroker mit dem man wirklich gut Geld verdienen könnte. So kann man aber nicht bei GCI traden. Es ist schade um die 6 Monate Zeit die ich investiert habe - Geld habe ich keins verloren, GCI schon eher...ich glaube eher ich schulde noch 2000 an Dividenden. Und die wichtigste Feststellung – wo mit Wertpapieren gehandelt wird – braucht es eine Marktüberwachung, ansonsten geht es einfach nicht. Ich habe denen auch Vorgeschlagen als Qualitätsprüfer zu arbeiten. Aber ich glaube auf den absolut fairen CFD Broker müssen wir noch eine Weile warten. Ich habe eigentlich erstmal keine Lust noch einen weiteren CFD-Dealer auszuprobieren. Was ich immer noch nicht gecheckt habe ist, wie GCI sich absichert – vor allem da alles in einer Währung passiert – wo gehen die ihre Gegenpositionen ein ? Insiderbericht wäre interessant. Vielleicht sollte man mal bei so einem Laden arbeiten – aber mit meiner Vorgeschichte nehmen sie mich bestimmt nicht. Außerdem kann man dann hinterher kein Konto mehr eröffnen – bei CMC Markets fragen sie ausdrücklich ob man bereits in der Branche bearbeitet hat. Schreibt mal was ihr so macht...

[Jgersauce]

Aha, sehr interessant, gerade kriege ich noch eine Mail von GCI. Der Markt soll nun Schuld an der Art der Orderausführung sein:

RE : XXXX cfd, hesitating order filling, request for automatic order execution mode

Dear Sir,

Many thanks for your message.

Unfortunately, we cannot accommodate this request at the moment as market forces beyond our control have prompted such actions. We shall re-evaluate in the near future and get back to you with a decision. In the meantime, we advise you to continue trading making proper use of Stops and Limits to gain entry and exit into and out of the market.

Regards,
Dealing Desk

Antwort :

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thanks for your massage. I would propose to deal wider spreads in shares for automatic trading modus. My bias for GCI is positiv in general if just the order fillings would be more predictable. Anyway I am on stand by for your automatic trading modus. Until than I can only place a very limited numbers of orders.

With kind regards


...ich glaube irgendwann schmeissen die mich raus