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[Goldhotline]

Tagesbericht

08.06.00 Gold -3 auf 285 $/oz, Goldaktien nachgebend, Analyse: Vega-Atlantic (Nordamerika)

Aus Sicht der Shortspekulanten konnte die Marke von 290 $/oz bislang erfolgreich verteidigt
werden. Zwei Versuche diese Marke zu überwinden wurden im gestrigen Londoner Handel jeweils
bei 289 $/oz abgefangen. Im New Yorker Handel konnte sich der Goldpreis nach einem Rückgang
auf 284 $/oz wieder auf 287 $/oz befestigen und notiert heute morgen in Sydney und Hongkong
um die Marke von 285 $/oz wieder etwas leichter. Auffällig bei der aktuellen Entwicklung ist das
Verhalten der Nachrichtenagentur Reuters, die den Anstieg des Goldpreises zwei Tage lang
unkommentiert ließ und gestern die Nachricht über niedrigere Kurse nach Gewinnmitnahmen
verbreitete. Von der Deutschen Bank wurde gestern die nordamerikanische Placer Dome zum
Kauf gestellt.

Der nordamerikanische xau-Goldminenindex fiel um 3,3 % oder 2,0 auf 60,1 Punkte zurück. Bei
den Standardwerten büßten Franco Nevada 5,2 %, Newmont 4,9 %, Homestake 4,2 % und
Placer Dome 4,0 % ein. Bei den kleineren Werten verloren TVX 10,0 %, Echo Bay und Kinross
jeweils 5,6 %. Der Platin- und Palladiumproduzent Stillwater konnte um 0,4 % gegen den Trend
zulegen.

Die in New York gehandelten südafrikanischen Werte entwickelten sich stabil. Gold Fields konnte
sich um 0,8 % befestigen. Harmony notierte unverändert. Durban Deep verloren 5,9 % und
Anglogold (GB) 0,9 %.

Der australische Goldminenindex zeigte sich mit einem Verlust von 0,3 % oder 2,3 auf 684,9
Punkte ebenfalls relativ stabil. Bei den Standardwerten konnte sich Delta Gold um 4,9 % weiter
erholen. Goldfields gaben um 2,5 %, Normandy Mining 2,2 % und Pacmin 2,0 % nach. Bei den
kleineren Werten fiel New Hampton um 9,1 %. General Gold erholte sich um 2,6 % wobei sich die
Optionen um 30,0 % verbesserten. Der Explorationswert Metex notierte mit einem Verlust von
12,6 % schwach. Rio Tinto, der Weltmarktführer im Rohstoff- und Basismetallbereich verbesserte
sich um 2,6 %.


Die aktuellen Topempfehlungen der Goldaktien (maximale Kauflimite in Klammern):

Achtung: Wegen der Marktenge müssen alle Orders (auch in Australien) in Tribune Resources
limitiert werden!

Australien:
Sicherheitsorientiert:
Delta Gold 1,42 A$ (2,40 A$, aktuelle Dividendenrendite 7,0 %), Normandy Mining 0,88 A$ (1,20
A$, aktuelle Dividendenrendite 6,8 %), Pacmin 1,45 A$ (1,60 A$), Lihir 0,59 A$ (0,70 A$),
Newcrest 3,80 A$ (4,00 A$), Sons of Gwalia 4,84 A$ (4,80 A$, jetzt eine Halteposition)

Spekulativ:
New Hampton 0,20 A$ (0,26 A$), Hill 50 0,85 A$ (1,10 A$), Tribune Resources 0,24 A$ (0,25 A$),
Aquarius Platinum 4,01 A$ (2,80 A$, jetzt eine Halteposition)

Südafrika:
Sicherheitsorientiert:
Harmony 5,60 Euro (6,50 Euro), Gold Fields 3,81 Euro (4,50 Euro), Anglogold (ADR zu 1/2Aktie)
(GB) 22,40 Euro (28,00 Euro)

Spekulativ:
Durban Roodepoort Deep 1,05 Euro (1,80 Euro)

Nordamerika:
Sicherheitsorientiert:
Placer Dome 9,00 $ (12,00 $), Kinross 1,0625 $ (1,25 $), Freeport 9,1875 $ (16,00 $), Homestake
7,1875 $ (8,00 $), Battle Mountain 2,1875 $ (2,00 $, jetzt eine Halteposition), Barrick 19,00 $
(18,00 $, jetzt eine Halteposition), Newmont 24,50 $ (22,00 $, jetzt eine Halteposition)

Spekulativ:
TVX 0,5625 $ (1,00 $)

Bis auf New Hampton und Aquarius Platinum werden alle Werte auch in Deutschland gehandelt.

Bemerkung: Bei New Hampton wurden am 24.12.99 Mineral Deposits Limited (MDL) Aktien im
Verhältnis von 5 MDL für 18 New Hampton Aktien und Gratisoptionen im Verhältnis von 1 Option,
Laufzeit 31.05.01, Basis 0,23 A$ für 2 New Hampton Aktien abgeschlagen.


Unternehmensmeldung
(AUS=Australien, NA=Nordamerika, SA=Südafrika, $=US$, MKP=Marktkapitalisierung),
Marktkapitalisierung immer in A$, Produktionskosten immer in US$

08.06.00 Vega-Atlantic Corporation (NA, MKP 13,6 Mio A$) meldet die Unterzeichnung eines
weiteren Projektes in China vom Gouverneur der Provinz Yunnan bei der Kunmin Export Messe
2000. Kunmin ist eine Stadt mit 4 Mio Einwohnern im Südwesten Chinas. Neben dem Goldprojekt,
das noch in diesem Herbst mit einer jährlichen Produktionsrate von 8.000 oz (Vega Anteil) in
Betrieb gehen soll und der Luomachang Silbermine, die jährlich 600.000 oz Silber produziert und
über eine Reserve von 13 Mio oz und eine Ressource von 70 Mio oz Silber verfügt, konnte ein
Joint Venture zur Entwicklung von 2 Zinkprojekten und einem Bleiprojekt unterzeichnet werden.
Bislang wird das Zinkerz, das sich direkt an der Erdoberfläche befindet von Farmern von Hand
abgebaut und an eine Zinkschmelze verkauft. Durch die Investition von 1,0 Mio $ kann Vega
einen Anteil von 70 % des Projektes erwerben, in dem 1,5 Mio t Zink vermutet werden.

Beurteilung: Vega-Atlantic kann die Öffnung Chinas bislang hervorragend nutzen, um sich den
Zugriff auf erstklassige Bergbauprojekte zu besten Konditionen zu sichern. Die hervorragenden
Beziehungen zur chinesischen Regierung sollen genutzt werden, um weitere Projekte zu
erwerben. Die Risiken liegen in der problematischen Finanzierung und dem Produktionsstandort
China. Nach dem weiteren Aquisitionserfolg zeichnet sich eine riskante Spekulationsmöglichkeit
mit einem Kurspotential von mehreren 100 % ab. Wegen der Risiken sollte Vega-Atlantic im
Depot untergewichtet bleiben. Nach der Meldung vom 6. Juni 2000 sprang der zuletzt sehr volatile
Aktienkurs um 36 % auf 0,51 $ nach oben.

Empfehlung: Halten, unter 0,50 $ kaufen, aktueller Kurs 0,44 $. Vega-Atlantic wird seit einigen
Tagen auch in Frankfurt gehandelt (vgl. Analyse vom 30.03.00, Halteposition bei 0,55 C$).

Die Goldhotline

[Tresorknacker]

@Goldhotline

Gibt es inzwischen Neuigkeiten bei Vega-Atlantic?

Gruß
TKM

[gholzbauer]

Hallo an die Silberfans!
Ich überlege, hier ein paar Dollar zu riskeren. Hat jemand von Euch diese Zocker-Perle im Depot?


Thursday January 25, 9:30 am Eastern Time
Press Release
SOURCE: Vega-Atlantic Corporation
Vega-Atlantic Corporation Pours First Gold Bars From Shangzai Mine in China
DENVER, Jan. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- SZ GOLD Deposit -- Gold Production Update: Vega-Atlantic Corporation (``the Company``) (OTC Bulletin Board: VATL; Frankfurt: VGA; WKN: 936303) is pleased to announce the commencement of production of its SHANGZAI GOLD MINE (``SZ GOLD``) located in Yunnan Province, Peoples Republic of China.

On January 15, 2001, Vega-Atlantic`s Yuntong Sino-Foreign Joint Venture poured the first gold bars from its Shangzai Gold Mine (SZ GOLD at www.vega-atlantic.com) in Yunnan Province, PRC. The commencement of SZ GOLD production follows the Company`s mandate of proving cost effective mining operations on a limited scale before securing larger funding for expansion initiatives. Although this first production is small, it represented approximately half of the 15.4kg gold leached from the 3358 tons of ore leached in the introductory heap leach cycle. The balance of the contained gold from the first leach will be stripped at the end of February along with the estimated 34.4kg of contained gold in the 6,900 tons of ore now under treatment. The grade for the leaching operation is averaging between 4.6 and 5.0 g/t. It is planned to treat a total of approximately 20,000 tons of ore before the end of May 2001 when the rainy season begins and production will cease.

The Yuntong Joint Venture is assessing alternatives that could provide year round production. To produce gold year-round, Vega-Atlantic has opened discussions with the nearby Zhen Yuan County Government operated Gold Mine to utilize their milling facilities to treat the Shangzai ore. If these discussions are successful, 2001 production from the SZ-GOLD mine could reach 4000 ounces.

Production costs at the Shangzai Mine have come well within target at less than $US 100 per ounce. ``Recoveries are running at 65% to 70% from the first batch of ore that contained 4.59 grams gold per ton,`` said Mr. Tunaye Sai, President Tun Resources (an 80% owned subsidiary of Vega-Atlantic). ``We expect the same recovery rate from the batch currently under treatment. This batch contains 4.98 g/t gold,`` he added. The rocks in this deposit consist of a thick pile of sedimentary limestones, shales and metamorphosed graywackes generally faulted in an east-west direction. The saprolitic (weathered whole rock) development is excellent and deep and has been weathered to a grainy, sandy texture that can be easily handled by surface excavators. All gold is sold to the Peoples Bank of China at world market prices.

Grant Atkins, President of the Company commented that, ``Mining investors weary of China can not ignore that Vega-Atlantic has proven that invested capital is being returned to the foreign investor through one of the most cost effective of mining operations anywhere.`` ``The Sino-Foreign Joint Venture concept works; the fundamentals of China located mining works.`` ``Yunnan Province is to be commended for their diligence and priority to foreign investment laws.``

The Next Gold Mining Target: Subject to financing, the 400,000 ounce Lannitang Gold deposit is the next mine Vega-Atlantic will focus on for production. With the Shangzai Mine (SZ GOLD) now in production, the Company has changed its targeted second operating mine from Bianfushan (BF GOLD) which is similar to the Shangzai with more difficult topography, to the 400,000 ounce Lannitang deposit. As a result of continued work on the property and the report from geologist Mr. David Taylor, the Company, through its Yuntong Joint Venture, plans to start an exploration adit in No 2 ore body of Lannitang deposit in April 2001. The exploration adit is to start at 1,400 meters above sea level and will go 600 meters along the footwall of the No 2 ore body and will have numerous crosscuts to intersect the ore body at 40-meter intervals. The exploration adit and cross cuts are planned to prove the depth, width, length and grade of the gold resources outlined by 41 drill holes and 563 meters of adits that have been developed to date. Mr. Taylor`s October 2000 geological report commented that, ``Lannitang offers a rather unique opportunity to develop a property whilst probably making a profit to cover research and development costs for a much larger financial target.`` Mr.Taylor also stated ``that although the 3 tons of gold above the 1,350 level represents less than a quarter of the total reserves of Lannitang, it makes a very attractive target for very cheap mining while opening the ground for more complete evaluation at depth and developing the possibility of shafts and winzes to access the remaining 9 tons of gold estimated to be present in lower levels of the deposit.``

About the Company: Vega-Atlantic Corporation is a minerals exploration and development company concentrating on gold, silver, and zinc exploration and mining joint ventures in the Peoples Republic of China and internationally. The Company concentrates on properties that can establish and realize cost effective mining operations within the near term. Vega-Atlantic Corporation is assessing further acquisitions to add to its existing joint venture projects.

SAFE HARBOR STATEMENT

Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant to the ``safe harbor`` provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including, without limitation, commodity prices of precious metals and actual results differing materially from projections because of geological factors, operation factors, government regulations or factors relied upon from independent sources, may either negatively or positively impact exploration or mining operations. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause the Company`s actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. The Company assumes no obligation to update the information in this release.

SOURCE: Vega-Atlantic Corporation

[gholzbauer]

Press release:
gholzbauer ist heute in VATL.OB eingestiegen.

Wenn das mal nicht schiefgeht ...

[gholzbauer]

Au weia, hoffentlich war ich hier nicht zu mutig.
VATL versucht sich wohl aus der Börse rauszuschrumpfen.
Nach dem 4:1 reversen Split im Dezember müßte der aktuelle Marktwert nur noch knapp über 1 Mio. US$ liegen. Wenn die nicht pleite gehen und die Finanzierung ihrer chinesischen Projekte einigermaßen auf die Reihe kriegen, ist das Steigerungspotenzial gewaltig. Wenn ...

[gholzbauer]

http://www.investrend.com/VGAA_List.html
Die genannten Zahlen sind pre-reverse-split.

[gholzbauer]

Friday February 23, 9:39 am Eastern Time
Press Release
Investrend Announces Investment Opinion on Vega Atlantic
-- A Lowering of the Recommendation for Vega Atlantic to Hold was Issued Today by Investrend Analyst Don Poirier
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 22, 2001-- -- A Twelve-month Appreciation Target of $1 is Set

The Update February 22, 2001 Investrend Research Update Report is Available At www.investrend.com.
An Update Report on Vega Atlantic Corporation (OTCBB: VATL - news) by Investrend Analyst Don Poirier was issued today. Mr. Poirier notes in his report:

We are downgrading shares of Vega-Atlantic to Hold based on its financial position. Market conditions for junior mining companies continue to be trying giving rise to uncertainty toward raising equity capital. Weakness in the price of gold into the first quarter of 2001 and the perception of continued low pricing for the metal is also impairing our view that Vega-Atlantic will easily source financing of the magnitude required under its current business plan.

Gold production from the Company`s Shangzai Gold Mine (``SZ``) commenced earlier this year and forecast production is 2,500 ounces of gold in 2001. The first pour, containing approximately 500 ounces of gold was produced over a short heap leach time-cycle at an estimated cash cost of US$100 per ounce of gold. The SZ Gold Mine is a seasonal operation that is expected to process up to 24,000 tonnes of ore grading 5.5 grams/tonne gold by June 2001. Making the transition from exploration and development into production has been a very important step for Vega-Atlantic, an achievement that deserves recognition.

Don Poirier is an exploration geologist based in Vancouver, Canada. Mr. Poirier has worked as a mining analyst for several securities dealers over a period of 11 years. Public Analysis & Review (PAR) is a program of Investrend Research. Anyone, including a company, may enroll a company for annual analyst coverage. PAR reports are performed on behalf of the public, and are not a service to any company. PAR analysts are responsible only to the public. PAR analysts are paid in advance to eliminate pecuniary interests and insure independence. PAR enrollment fees are $19,700 per annum. Investrend Research is a division of Investrend Communications, Inc.

[gholzbauer]

VATL war also nicht in der Lage, das Geld für die Projekte aufzutreiben. War aufgrund des niedrigen VATL-Kurses zu erwarten. Bleiben noch die Shangzai-Goldmine , die Lannitang-Goldmine und die Luomachang-Silbermine.


April 05, 2001

VEGA ATLANTIC CORP/CO (VATL.OB)
form 8-K
Item 2. Acquisition or Disposition of Assets
(a) On June 8, 2000, Vega-Atlantic Corporation, a Colorado corporation (the "Company") entered into an agreement with the No. 4 Geological Brigade of Yunnan Bureau of Geological Exploration and Development to cooperatively explore two separate zinc and lead deposits located in the southwestern Yunnan Province, Republic of China. On July 19, 2000, the Company completed its negotiations and executed a joint venture agreement (the "Baotong Agreement"). The Company formed Epicon Resources Group Ltd., a Belize corporation and wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company ("Epicon"), to act as the joint venture partner on behalf of the Company.

Pursuant to the terms of the Baotong Agreement, the Company (i) formed a limited liability joint venture company (the "Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co."), (ii) acquired an approximate 70% interest in the Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co., (iii) conducted limited risk exploration and development of two possible zinc and lead deposits, and (iv) had rights to acquire up to an 85% interest in the Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co. with further funding. In accordance with the terms of the Baotong Agreement, the Company was also required to provide up to $1,000,000 over a two-year period for exploration, drilling and tunneling of the possible zinc and lead deposits and conduct further risk exploration.

(b) On March 15, 2001, the board of directors of the Company determined that upon due diligence of the project`s stage of exploration, it was in the best interests of the Company and its shareholders to sell its equity interest in Epicon. Therefore, the Company and a corporation organized under the laws of the United Kingdom (the "Purchaser") entered into an agreement dated March 23, 2001 (the "Agreement"), which generally provides, upon completion and satisfaction of technical evaluation and due diligence, for the sale by the Company of Epicon, its wholly-owned subsidiary. Pursuant to the general terms of the Agreement, the Purchaser will (i) acquire all of the issued and outstanding shares of common stock of Epicon, (ii) pay $1,5000.00 to the Company, (iii) assume the Company`s funding commitment under the Baotong Agreement, and (iv) assume certain other contractual debts and liabilities.

As a result of consummation of the Agreement, the Company will no longer hold its joint venture interest in the Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co. and, therefore, be unable to control or manage, directly or indirectly, the exploration and development directives and methods concerning exploration the two separate zinc and lead deposits.

[gholzbauer]

O.K., dann eben nicht.
War abzusehen, daß die 4 Mio. $ nicht aufzutreiben sind.


June 01, 2001

VEGA ATLANTIC CORP/CO (VATL.OB)
form 8-K
Item 2. Acquisition or Disposition of Assets
Sale of Subsidiary - Alaskan Explorations Corp.

On March 27, 2000, Vega-Atlantic Corporation, a Colorado corporation (the "Company") entered into an agreement with the No. 1 Geological Brigade of Yunnan Bureau of Geology and Mineral Resources of Qujing City, Yunnan Province, China, whereby the Company would have the right to acquire a majority interest in the Lemachang silver mine located in the Ludian County Seat, Yunnan Province. On July 26, 2000, the Company completed negotiations and executed a joint venture agreement with the No. 1 Geological Brigade of Yunnan Bureau of Geology and Mineral Resources of Qujing City (the "Lemachang Agreement"). The Company formed Alaskan Explorations Corp., a Turks & Caicos corporation and a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company ("Alaskan"), to act as the joint venture partner on behalf of the Company.

Pursuant to the terms of the Lemachang Agreement, the Company was to (i) form a new joint venture company and provide funding in the amount of $4,000,000 to accelerate the drilling on the Lemachang silver mine to increase production, expand resources and improve overall silver recovery, (ii) undertake feasibility studies to ultimately increase production and output to an annual target of 1,000,000 ounces of metallic silver, and (iii) receive an approximate 85% interest in the silver mine and deposit areas. Pursuant to the terms of the Lemachang Agreement, the Company was to further provide an additional $4,000,000 over a five-year period from its portion of operating profits to repay existing silver project capital loans currently outstanding to the Chinese banks.

On May 11, 2001, the board of directors of the Company determined that the Company was unable to fund its obligations under the Lemachang Agreement and, therefore, it was in the best interests of the Company and its shareholders to sell its equity interest in Alaskan. Therefore, the Company and a corporation organized under the laws of the United Kingdom (the "Purchaser") entered into an agreement dated May 11, 2001 (the "Lemachang Purchase Agreement"), which generally provided for the sale by the Company of Alaskan, its wholly-owned subsidiary. Pursuant to the general terms of the Lemachang Purchase Agreement, the Purchaser (i) acquired all of the issued and outstanding shares of common stock of Alaskan, and (ii) paid $50,000.00 to the Company.

As a result of consummation of the Lemachang Purchase Agreement, the Company no longer is able to control or manage, directly or indirectly, the exploration and development directives and methods concerning exploration of the Lemachang silver mine.

Sale of Subsidiary - Epicon Resources Group, Ltd.

On June 8, 2000, the Company entered into an agreement with the No. 4 Geological Brigade of Yunnan Bureau of Geological Exploration and Development to cooperatively explore two separate zinc and lead deposits located in the southwestern Yunnan Province, Republic of China. On July 19, 2000, the Company completed its negotiations and executed a joint venture agreement (the "Baotong Agreement"). The Company formed Epicon Resources Group Ltd., a Belize corporation and wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company ("Epicon"), to act as the joint venture partner on behalf of the Company.



Pursuant to the terms of the Baotong Agreement, the Company (i) formed a limited liability joint venture company (the "Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co."), (ii) acquired an approximate 70% interest in the Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co., (iii) conducted limited risk exploration and development of two possible zinc and lead deposits, and (iv) had rights to acquire up to an 85% interest in the Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co. with further funding. In accordance with the terms of the Baotong Agreement, the Company was also required to provide up to $1,000,000 over a two-year period for exploration, drilling and tunneling of the possible zinc and lead deposits and conduct further risk exploration.

On March 15, 2001, the board of directors of the Company determined that the Company was unable to fund its obligations under the Baotong Agreement and, therefore, it was in the best interests of the Company and its shareholders to sell its equity interest in Epicon. Therefore, the Company and a corporation organized under the laws of the United Kingdom (the "Purchaser") entered into an agreement dated March 23, 2001 (the "Baotong Purchase Agreement"), which generally provided, upon completion and satisfaction of technical evaluation and due diligence, for the sale by the Company of Epicon, its wholly-owned subsidiary.

On May 17, 2001, the Company and Purchaser completed their respective technical evaluation and due diligence and consummated the Baotong Purchase Agreement. Pursuant to the general terms of the Baotong Purchase Agreement, the Purchaser (i) acquired all of the issued and outstanding shares of common stock of Epicon, (ii) paid $1,5000.00 to the Company, (iii) assumed the Company`s funding commitment under the Baotong Agreement, and (iv) assumed certain other contractual debts and liabilities.

As a result of consummation of the Baotong Purchase Agreement, the Company no longer holds its joint venture interest in the Baotong Mineral Exploration and Development Co. and, therefore, is unable to control or manage, directly or indirectly, the exploration and development directives and methods concerning exploration the two separate zinc and lead deposits.

[N.MarksDelBanco]

in der letzten Zeit wurde wieder auffällig wenig Gold gestohlen

[gholzbauer]

Die Winter sind hart in Irkutsk.

[gholzbauer]

Tschüß Vega, und danke für den Fisch ...

[mrjohns]

hallo gholzbauer;-)
Tschüß Vega, und danke für den Fisch ...

was meinst du damit?
lg pat

[gholzbauer]

Habe die letzten verkauft und bin froh, nicht schiffbrüchig geworden zu sein.
Keine Ahnung, was den Kurs treibt.
Vielleicht Mantelverwertung.
D.h. Kurs könnte noch höher gehen.
Ist aber völlig ungewiss & spekulativ.
Erlös wird in Macmin, Apex, SSRI, oder PAAS gehen.

[mrjohns]

@gholzbauer
wie bist du eigentl. investiert? in welche werte?
auch physisch?
wieso apex? die werden doch wohl nur sehr moderat zulegen bein steigendem silberpreis.

ACHTUNG bei ssri und paas. bei meiner letzten order an der nasdaq kam es zu so viel teilorder, dass ich z.t. auf 10% !!! ordergebühr kam. meine reklamation bei der db24 läuft noch ...

paas 100 Stück !! als teilorder.
ssri 200 Stück !! als teilorder.


die glauben sich natürl. im recht.

ich halte das für unserious.

lg pat

[alterhaase]

unangenöhm

[Azetylen]

@mrjohns
Im gegensatz zu D kannst Du US-Orders immer als "Fill or kill-order" aufgeben, ohne Mehrkosten: entweder wird der ganze Auftrag ausgeführt oder gar nichts. Spart jede Menge Gebühren...
Mitfühlend Azetylen

[mrjohns]

danke für den tip ich werde das gleich nochmal checken.
btw. ich habe mit denen so gestritten bis sie mir 65% der gebühren aus kulanz zurückerstattet haben ....

lg pat

[gholzbauer]

Nov 26 · 0.55 Change +0.16 (+41.03%)

[gholzbauer]

Astreiner Mehr-als-Verzehnfacher; Tief 0.035$