franzjosefstrauss - am Ende? - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[Smasher]

Obwohl er mit MB Software nichts am Hut hat, spinnt er damit das Board zu.
Er versucht mit allen Mitteln MBS noch weiter in den Dreck zu ziehen, als sie es eh schon sind.

Was bezweckt dieses kranke Gehirn damit ?
Meint er wirklich uns warnen zu müssen, oder liegt dieses Fehlverhalten, was er an den Tag legt an seiner schlechten Kindheit ?
Oder sind seine Eltern womöglich Geschwister ?
Oder hat er in der Vergangenheit durch MBS viel Geld verloren und will so seinen Frust abbauen ?

Fragen über Fragen die wahrscheinlich fjs nicht einmal selber beantworten könnte.

Ich glaube er ist einfach am Ende - ein kranker verzweifelter Mensch.

Erinnert mich irgendwie an diesen Turnvater Jahn, der glücklicherweise gesperrt wurde, weil er auch immer diesen Mist schrieb.

Jemand der hoffentlich nie auch nur annähernd so verhaltensgestört wird wie diese Kreatur

[grange]

@smasher

guter Beitrag mit vielen Fragen, die wohl nicht beantwortet werden,
fjs selbst beantwortet ja auch keine fachlichen Fragen aus seiner Gerüchte-Küche.

Der Hinweis, er will sich vielleicht rächen, weil er selbst einmal bei MB Soft viel Geld verloren hat, ist eigentlich eine bestechende Frage.

MfG

[Salle]

@smasher:

mein Tip: er verdient sein Geld damit.

Salle

[Der Tscheche]

@Smasher: lese dir doch bitte mal die Board-Regeln durch und versuche, dich danach zu halten.

Vielleicht hilft dir dabei der Hinweis, daß die Kurse von MB nicht von FJS gemacht werden, auch wenn Leute wie du sich das einzubilden scheinen.

Er kann also nichts dafür, wenn du vermutlich (wie ich auch) MB-Aktien hast, die sich kursmäßig miserabel entwickelt haben und um so fragwürdiger ist dein aggressiv-beleidigendes Verhalten ihm gegenüber.

Gruß
Tscheche

[grange]

@ Der Tscheche

natürlich macht "er" keine Kurse.

Aber sein streben geht nur danach, den Kurs negativ zu beeinflussen.

Wenn Du mir dafür eine vernünftige Erklärung abgeben kannst, wäre ich Dir sehr verbunden.

Um seine negative Meinung zu einer (!) Aktie zu sagen, benötigt man doch nicht über 200 Posting ?? Oder ?????

[Salle]

Ist zwar etwas lang und auch ganz schön englisch, aber fjs ist ein Teil dieses Puzzles:

Lesenswert !!! - nicht nur im Zusammenhang mit Fantastic, sondern könnte auch im Zusammenhang mit Metabox interessant werden, und, und, und...., sofern der Neue Marktnicht zu den Liquidesten gehört.


OTC MANIPULATION

This is information is provided for you to be aware of what can happen to you. These are very real situations. Take 15 minutes before you buy anything otc / pink sheets and read the articles. I lost the original reference points but kept the article intact in a text file. Lots to read. Make you go Hmmmm...

__________

George Chelekis` HOT STOCKS REVIEW ## Copyright 1996

NOTE: I believe this may be one of the most important essays on the financial markets which you will ever read. This essay will be the lead article in Hot Stocks Review, Spring 1996 (Part Two). Up until recently, I knew that I was missing something, but I could not quite put my finger on it. Now I know what it is. The data which follows is only as good as you can actually use it. These are the cold, savage and ruthless facts of market manipulation. I have not made these up, but have dug them up out of out-dated, generally unavailable books on Canadian market manipulations, and pieced the rest together from observations, personal experiences and conversations with market professionals and insiders. While the books are out of date, the manipulations have been passed down from one generation to another. The only thing missing was someone to supply you with what those tricks were so you can become a more educated speculator. Many thanks to Robert Shore and Vern Flannery, of Market News THE DEADLY ART OF STOCK MANIPULATION....In every profession, there are probably a dozen or two major rules. Knowing them cold is what separates the professional from the amateur. Not knowing them at all? Well, let`s put it this way: How safe would you feel if you suddenly found yourself piloting (solo) a Boeing 747 as it were landing on an airstrip? Unless you are a professional pilot, you would probably be frightened out of your wits and would soil your underwear. Hold that thought as you read this essay because I will explain to you how market manipulation works. In order to successfully speculate, one should presume the following: THE SMALL CAP STOCK MARKETS PRIMARILY EXIST TO FLEECE YOU! I`m talking about Vancouver, Alberta, the Canadian Dealing Network and the US Over-the Counter markets (Pink Sheets, Bulletin Board, etc.). One could also stretch this, with many stocks, to include the world`s senior stock markets, including Toronto, New York, NASDAQ, London, etc. The average investor or speculator is not very likely to have much success in the small cap crapshoots. I guess that is what attracted ME to these markets. I have been trying, for quite some time, to answer this question, "How come?" Now, I know. And you should, too! By the way, the premise of these books is uniformly: "While these speculative companies do not actually make any money, one can profit by speculating in these companies." THAT is the premise on how these markets are run, by both the stock promoters, insiders, brokers, analysts and others in this industry. That logic is flawed in that it presumes "someone else" is going to end up holding the dirty bag. Follow this premise all the way through and you will realize the insane conclusion: For these markets to continue along that route, new suckers have to continue coming into the marketplace. The conclusion is insane in that such mad activity can only be short-lived. I disagree with this premise and propose another solution (see my earlier essay: A Modest Proposal) at the end of this essay. What the professionals and the securities regulators know and understand, which the rest of us do not, is this.

"RULE NUMBER ONE: ALL SHARP PRICE MOVEMENTS -- WHETHER UP OR DOWN -- ARE THE RESULT OF ONE OR MORE (USUALLY A GROUP OF) PROFESSIONALS MANIPULATING THE SHAREPRICE."
This should explain why a mining company finds something good and "nothing happens" or the stock goes down. At the same time, for NO apparent reason, a stock suddenly takes off for the sky! On little volume! Someone is manipulating that stock, often with and unfounded rumor. In order to make these market manipulations work, the professionals assume: (a) The Public is STUPID and (b) The Public will mainly buy at the HIGH and (c) The Public will sell at the LOW. Therefore, as long as the market manipulator can run crowd control, he can be successful. Let`s face it: The reason you speculate in such markets is that you are greedy AND optimistic. You believe in a better tomorrow and NEED to make money quickly. It is this sentiment which is exploited by the market manipulator. He controls YOUR greed and fear about a particular stock. If he wants you to buy, the company`s prospects look like the next Microsoft. If the manipulator wants you to desert the sinking ship, he suddenly becomes very guarded in his remarks about the company, isn`t around to glowingly answer questions about the company and/or GETS issued very bad news about the company. Which brings us to the next important rule.

"RULE NUMBER TWO: IF THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WANTS TO DISTRIBUTE (DUMP) HIS SHARES, HE WILL START A GOOD NEWS PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN."
Ever wonder why a particular company is made to look like the greatest thing since sliced bread? That sentiment is manufactured. Newsletter writers are hired -- either secretly or not -- to cheerlead a stock. PR firms are hired and let loose upon an unsuspecting public.Contracts to appear on radio talk shows are signed and implemented. Stockbrokers get "cheap" stock to recommend the company to their "book" (that means YOU, the client in his book). An advertising campaign is rolled out (television ads, newspaper ads, card deck mailings). The company signs up to exhibit at "investment conferences" and "gold shows" (mainly so they can get a little "podium time" to hype you on their stock and tell you how "their company is really different" and "not a stock promotion." Funny little "hype" messages are posted on Internet newsgroups by the same cast of usual suspects. The more, the merrier. And a little "juice" can go a long way toward running up the stock price. The HYPE is on. The more clever a stock promoter, the better his knowledge of the advertising business. Little gimmicks like "positioning" are used. Example: Make a completely unknown company look warm and fuzzy and appealing to you by comparing it to a recent success story, Diamond Fields or Bre-X Minerals. That is the POSITIONING gospel, authored by Ries and Trout (famous for "Avis: We Want To Be #1" and "We Try Harder" and other such slogans). These advertising/PR executives must have stumbled onto this formula after losing their shirts speculating in a few Canadian stock promotions! The only reason you have been invited to this seemingly incredible banquet is that YOU are the main course. After the market manipulator has suckered you into "his investment," exchanging HIS paper for YOUR cash, the walls begin to close in on you. Why is that?

"RULE NUMBER THREE: AS SOON AS THE MARKET MANIPULATOR HAS COMPLETED HIS DISTRIBUTION (DUMPING) OF SHARES, HE WILL START A BAD NEWS OR NO NEWS CAMPAIGN."
Your favorite home-run stock has just stalled or retreated a bit from its high. Suddenly, there is a news VACUUM. Either NO news or BAD rumors. I discovered this with quite a few stocks. I would get LOADS of information and "hot tips." All of a sudden, my pipeline was shut-off. Some companies would even issue a news release CONDEMNING me ("We don`t need `that kind of hype` referring to me!). Cute, huh? When the company wanted fantastic hype circulated hither and yon, there would be someone there to spoon-feed me. The second the distribution phase was DONE....ooops! Sorry, no more news. Or, "I`m sorry. He`s not in the office." Or, "He won`t be back until Monday." The really slick market manipulators would even seed the Internet news groups or other journalists to plant negative stories about that company. Or start a propaganda campaign of negative rumors on all available communication vehicles. Even hiring a "contrarian" or "special PR firm" to drive down the price. Even hiring someone to attack the guy who had earlier written glowingly about the company. (This is not a game for the faint-hearted!) You`ll also see the stock drifting endlessly. You may even experience a helpless feeling, as if you were floating in outer space without a lifeline. That is exactly HOW the market manipulator wants you to feel. See Rule Number Five below. He may also be doing this to avoid the severe disappointment of a "dry hole" or a "failed deal." You`ll hear that oft-cried refrain, "Oh well, that`s the junior minerals exploration business... very risky!" Or the oft-quoted statistic, "Nine out of 10 businesses fail each year and this IS a Venture Capital Startup stock exchange." Don`t think it wasn`t contrived. If a geologist at a junior mining company wasn`t optimistic and rosy in his promise of exploration success, he would be replaced by someone who was! Ditto for the high-tech deal, in a world awash with PhD`s. So, how do you know when you are being taken? Look again at Rule #1. Inside that rule, a few other rules unfold which explain how a stock price is manipulated.

"RULE NUMBER FOUR: ANY STOCK THAT TRADES HUGE VOLUME AT HIGHER PRICES SIGNALS THE DISTRIBUTION PHASE."
When there was less volume, the price was lower. Professionals were accumulating. After the price runs, the volume increases. The professionals bought low and sold high. The amateurs bought high (and will soon enough sell low). In older books about market manipulation and stock promotion, which I`ve recently studied, the markup price referred to THREE times higher than the floor. The floor is the launchpad for the stock. For example, if one looks at the stock price and finds a steady flatline on the stock`s chart of around 10 cents, then that range is the FLOOR. Basically, the markup phase can go as high as the market manipulator is capable of taking it. From my observations, a good markup should be able to run about five to ten times higher than the floor, with six to seven being common. The market manipulator will do everything in his power to keep you OUT OF THE STOCK until the share price has been marked up by at least two-three times, sometimes resorting to "shaking you out" until after he has accumulated enough shares. Once the markup has begun, the stock chart will show you one or more spikes in the volume -- all at much higher prices (marked up by the manipulator, of course). That is DISTRIBUTION and nothing else. Example: Look at Software Control Systems (Alberta:XVN), in which I purchased shares after it had been marked up five times. There were eight days of 500,000 (plus) shares trading hands, with one day of 750,000 shares trading hands. Market manipulator(s) dumping shares into the volume at higher prices. WHENEVER you see HUGE volume after the stock has risen on a 75 degree angle, the distribution phase has started and you are likely to be buying in -- at or near the stock`s peak price.Example: Look at Diamond Fields (TSEFR), (webmaster note: no longer is a active ticker, just use a favorite pennystock) which never increased at a 75 degree angle and did not have abnormal volumespikes, yet in less than two years ran from C$4 to C$160/share. Example: Look at Bre-X Minerals (Alberta:BXM), which did not experience its first 75 degree angle, with huge volume until July 14th, 1995. The next two trading days, BXM went down and stayed around C$12/share for two weeks. The volume had been 60% higher nearly a month earlier, with only a slight price increase. Each high volume and spectacular increase in BXM`s share price was met with a price retreat and leveling off. "Suddenly," BXM wasn`t trading at C$2/share; it was at C$170/share.... up 8500% in less than a year! In both of the above cases, major Canadian newspapers ran extremely negative stories about both companies, at one time or another. In each instance, just before another share price run up, retail investors fled the stock! Just before both began yet another run up! Successful short-term speculators generally exit any stock run up when the volume soars; amateurs get greedy and buy at those points.

"RULE NUMBER FIVE: THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL ALWAYS TRY TO GET YOU TO BUY AT THE HIGHEST, AND SELL AT THE LOWEST PRICE POSSIBLE."
Just as the manipulator will use every available means to invite you to "the party," he will savagely and brutally drive you away from "his stock" when he has fleeced you. The first falsehood you assume is that the stock promoter WANTS you to make a bundle by investing in his company. So begins a string of lies that run for as long as your stomach can take it. You will get the first clue that "you have been had" when the stock stalls at the higher level. Somehow, it ran out of steam and you are not sure why. Well, it ran out of steam because the market manipulator stopped running it up. It`s over inflated and he can`t convince more people to buy. The volume dries up while the share price seems to stall. LOOK AT THE TRADING VOLUME, NOT THE SHARE PRICE! When earlier, there may have been 500,000 shares trading each day for eight out of 12 trading days (as in the case of Software Control Systems), now the volume has slipped to 100,000 shares (or so) daily. There are some buyers there, enough for the manipulator to continue dumping his paper, but only so long as he can enlist one or more individuals/services to bang his drum. He may continue feeding the promo guys a string of "promises" and "good news down the road." (Believe me, this HAS happened to me!) But, when the news finally arrives, the stock price goes THUD! This is entirely orchestrated by a market manipulator. You`ll see it in the trading volume, most of which is CONTRIVED. A market manipulator will have various brokers buying and selling the stock to give the APPEARANCE of increasing volume and price so that YOU do start chasing it higher. At some point during the stall stage, investors get fed up with the non-performance of the stock. It drifts for a while, in a steady retreat, with perhaps a short-lived spike in price and volume (the final signal that the manipulator has finally offloaded ALL of his paper). Then, the stock comes tumbling down -- having lost ALL of the earlier share appreciation. Sometimes, with the more cruel manipulators, they will throw in a little false hope... giving you a little more rope so they can better hang you. Just after a severe drop, there will be a "bottom fishing" announcement which sends the share price up a bit on high volume, rises a little more after that and then continues to drift. Meanwhile, you keep getting "shaken out" through a cruel drip-drip water torture of the share price`s slow retreat. Again, virtually every movement is completely orchestrated.

RULE NUMBER SIX: IF THIS IS A REAL DEAL, THEN YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE THE LAST PERSON TO BE NOTIFIED OR WILL BE DRIVEN OUT AT THE LOWER PRICES."
Like Jesse Livermore wrote, "If there`s some easy money lying around, no one is going to force it into your pocket." The same concept can be more clearly understood by watching the tape. When a market manipulator wants you into his stock, you will hear LOUD noises of stock promotion and hype. If you are "in the loop," you will be bombarded from many directions. Similarly, if he wants you out of the stock, then there will be orchestrated rumors being circulated, rapid-fired at you again from many directions. Just as good news may come to you in waves, so will bad news. You will see evidence of a VERY sharp drop in the share price with HUGE volume. That is you and your buddies running for the exits. If the deal is really for real, the market manipulator wants to get ALL OF YOUR SHARES or as many as he can... and at the lowest price he can. Whereas before, he wanted you IN his market, so he could dump his shares to you at a higher price, NOW when he sees that this deal IS for real, he wants to pay as little as possible for those same shares... YOUR shares which he wants to you part with, as quickly as possible. The market manipulator will shake you out by DRIVING the price as low as he can. Just as in the "accumulation" stage, he wants to keep everything as quiet as possible so he can snap up as many of the shares for himself, he will NOW turn down, or even turn off, the volume so he can repeat the accumulation phase. In the mining business, there seems to always be another "area play" around the corner. Just as Voisey`s Bay drifted into oblivion, during the fourth quarter of 1995 and early into 1996, the same Voisey Bay "wannabees" began striking deals in Indonesia. Some even used new corporate entities. Same crooks, different shingles. The accumulation phase was TOP SECRET. The noise level was deadingly silent. As soon as the insiders accumulated all their shares, they let YOU in on the secret.

"RULE NUMBER SEVEN: CONVERSELY, YOU WILL OFTEN BE THE LAST TO KNOW WHEN THIS DEAL SHOWS SIGNS OF FAILURE."
Twenty-twenty hindsight will often show you that there was a "little stumble" in the share price, just as the "assays were delayed" or the "deal didn`t go through." Manipulators were peeling off their paper to START the downslide. And ACCELERATE it. The quick slide down makes it improbable for your getting out at more than what you originally paid for the stock... and gives you a better reason for holding onto it "a little longer" in case the price rebounds. Then, the drifting stage begins and fear takes over. And unless you have serves of steel and can afford to wait out the manipulator, you will more than likely end up selling out at a cheap price. For the insider, marketmaker or underwriter is obliged to buy back all of your paper in order to keep his company alive and maintain control of it. The less he has to pay for your paper, the lower his cost will be to commence his stock promotion again... at some future date. Even if his company has no prospects AT ALL, his "shell" of a company has some value (only in that others might want to use that structure so they can run their own stock promotion). So, the manipulator WILL buy back his paper. He just wants to make sure that he pays as little for those shares as possible.

"RULE NUMBER EIGHT: THE MARKET MANIPULATOR WILL COMPEL YOU INTO THE STOCK SO THAT YOU DRIVE UP ITS PRICE SHARES."
One can avoid market manipulation by not buying during the huge price spikes and abnormal trading volumes, also known as chasing the stock to a higher price.

"RULE NUMBER NINE: THE MARKET MANIPULATOR IS WELL AWARE OF THE EMOTIONS YOU ARE EXPERIENCING DURING A RUN UP AND A COLLAPSE AND WILL PLAY YOUR EMOTIONS LIKE A PIANO."
During the run up, you WILL have a rush of greed which compels you to run into the stock. During the collapse, you WILL have a fear that you will lose everything... so you will rush to exit. See how simple it is and how clear a bell it strikes? Don`t think this formula isn`t tattooed inside the mind of every manipulator. The market manipulator will play you on the way up and play you on the way down. If he does it very well, he will make it look like someone else`s fault that you lost money! Promise to fill up your wallet? You`ll rush into the stock. Scare you into losing every penny you have in that stock? You`ll run away screaming with horror! And vow to NEVER, ever speculate in such stocks again. But many of you still do.... The manipulator even knows how to bring you back for yet another play. What actors! No wonder Vancouver is sometimes called "Hollywood North."

"FINAL RULE: A NEW BATCH OF SUCKERS ARE BORN WITH EVERY NEW PLAY."
The Financial Markets are a Cruel, Unkind and Dangerous Playing Field, one place where the newest amateurs are generally fleeced the most brutally.... usually by those who KNOW the above rules. Just as I have a duty to ensure that each of you understand how this game is played, Y

Sorry für die Überlänge
Salle

[Der Tscheche]

@grange: ich vermute, es macht ihm Spaß, weil er sich fast jeden Tag bestätigt fühlt und als "einsamer Kämpfer" gegen eine übermächtige Zahl von "Fans" immer wieder richtig liegt.

Könnte mir gut vorstellen, daß er aufhören würde, wenn er nicht andauernd durch zahllose Postings und Threads wie diesen quasi "hochgepusht" werden würde.

Aber selbst wenn er ein bezahlter Basher sein sollte, was ich persönlich nicht glaube, ist das kein Grund, ihn andauernd wüst zu beschimpfen. Schon mittelfristig hat er keine Auswirkung auf den Kurs, also was soll`s??

Das, was ich von ihm gelesen habe, fand ich übrigens (leider) anregender und häufig auch schlüssiger als die Mehrzahl der positiven MBS-Beiträge (vielleicht gibt`s ja auch bezahlte Pusher? - ist mir auch egal!).

Gruß
Tscheche

[Der Tscheche]

Halt, egal ist es mir nicht. Ich kann Pusher wie Basher absolut nicht ab. Aber der Zirkus, den ihr hier seit Wochen oder gar Monaten mit FJS veranstaltet (den ich mir nicht genau genau angeschaut habe, um beurteilen zu können, ob er tatsächlich jemand ist, der MB bewußt und wider besseres Wissen schlechter da stehen läßt, als er das Unternehmen tatsächlich einschätzt), ist mir noch mehr zuwider.

[grange]

hallo Tsche

an einen "bezahlten" fjs glaube ich allerdings auch nicht.

Aber
1) über 200 negative Postings zu MB Soft
2) nicht in MB investiert
3) n i c h t s über andere Aktien
4) benutzt nach eigener Einlassung ein Börseninformationssystem.,

dass angeblich über den Möglichkeiten der übrigen Boardteilnehmer liegt, diese Info-Systeme sind nicht ganz billig ( habe selbst einige ausprobiert, monatlich Kosten zwischen DM 600 und DM 2.400 je nach Umfang dürften auch heute noch üblich sein)

Das macht doch niemand aus Spass ???
Oder die Kosten, damit er uns einiges über MB Umsätze erzählen kann ?

Mach da mal nen Reim drauf................

da stinkt doch was !!!!!

[Der Tscheche]

@grange: will da jetzt wirklich nicht auch noch mitmachen beim FJS-Kult. Nur noch eins, weil es mir gleich aufgefallen ist: "nichts über andere Aktien stimmt nicht", er hat sich interessiert oder interessiert sich z. B. noch für Valor.

Jetzt aber schluß von mir dazu, mir haben nur die Beleidigungen im Eingangsposting "gestunken" und das wollte ich in EINEM Posting loswerden.

[Salle]

Aus einem anderen Board:
Zwar sehr rührselig - aber kann man sich das alles ausdenken?

Confessions of a Paid Basher

By Tom Martin
aka “Steve Tracy”
aka “Firebird_1965”

Today I want to come clean about something I feel very badly about. I cannot undo some of the things I have done, but hopefully this message will prevent other such occurrences in the future.

I am a paid basher.

Yes, it is true. Today is my last day at this company; I’m moving on to a new job. But before I go, I want to explain a few things because this just isn’t right and I won’t feel good about myself until I expose this sham. It’s hurt too many people and I don’t want it on my conscience anymore. I can no longer live with a lie.

I work for a company called Franklin, Andrews, Kramer & Edelstein in Stamford, CT. Basically, it’s a Boiler Room much like the one in the movie of the same name. The idea behind my group is to bash the price of a company’s stock down low enough to where the group of investors who retained our company’s services can buy the stock really cheap and perhaps even take it over all together.

There are approximately 70 people at the company divided into several groups. My group, consisting of 5 people, is responsible for BIFS. While I probably shouldn’t give any names of anyone working here now, what the heck, I’m leaving here, so what can they do – sue me? Ha! I can tell you that GUTTWRENCH was part of my group until he left last week, as was Richardphx. Others who have been part of this include early bashers like Epiphonics and Simontaz. You may be interested to know that some hypsters, such as Amato7 and BIFWATCHER, have also been part of the scam (more on that later).

There are several companies engaged in the bashing business – ours is not the only one. However, I can tell you that not every basher in here is a paid basher. Having done this for two years, I can usually tell who is a paid basher and who is merely someone having a little fun. While unpaid bashers have a different motive than someone like me, they can be unwilling accomplices to helping me achieve my ultimate goal and they also spread rumor and confusion throughout a room, which also helps me.

What is that goal? Well, I am merely a cog in a much larger machine, so my bosses never really explained the big picture to me, but I’d say essentially, GUTTWRENCH was right. There are several companies who are quite familiar with SWOMI and who are deathly afraid of it.

There are three types of bashers here at Franklin, Andrews, Kramer & Edelstein: Advanced, Intermediate and Beginner. An Advanced-level basher (also known as a Silver Tongued Devil) would spread false or misleading information about the company. They would deal in facts, countering every longs post with articles, news reports and opinion surveys that gave a negative impression about the company.

An Intermediate-level basher (also known as a Serpent) would try to weasel their way into the confidence of longs and create doubt using rumor or innuendo.

Finally, a Beginner-level basher (also known as a Pitchfork) would attempt to create confusion in the room by distracting other posters with satire, name calling and pointless arguments. The idea was to make sure no serious discussion of the stock could take place. A Pitchfork was usually a basher, but not always. Sometimes, we would throw in a hypster Pitchfork such as Amato7 or BIFSWATCHER to create the illusion of an argument going on. What was really funny (in a perverse way, I guess) was that Amato7 and I sat next to each other, laughing the whole time.

I was a Pitchfork. I was paid a base wage of $12 an hour for my services. I was given a $1 bonus for every post over 100 per day as well as a monthly bonus of $100 for every penny the stock had dropped from the previous month. I was also paid a bonus for bashing on weekends. While this may not sound like much, I made a decent, though dishonorable, paycheck.

Each of us sat in a small half-cubicle in a cluster with our teammates. Each group (usually five people) was made of three beginners (two who would bash and one who would hype), one intermediate and one advanced level basher. Occasionally for some of the hotter stocks, one of the beginners would be replaced by an intermediate depending on how much the stock was rising. BIFS was a low-level stock, meaning it got the 3-1-1 configuration.
Somehow, I get the feeling that JPACK2 may have worked for a basher company or knows someone who does because the “Basher Handbook” he occasionally posts is eerily similar to the one we actually use. While not a word-for-word match, I’d say it is about 90 percent the same. We do have certain rules that we follow.

First, we have to develop a character and stay within that character in order to build a “following.” My character, “Firebird_1965,” was a sarcastic, obnoxious supporter of free speech, but only when it came to bashers.

Next, we had to follow certain guidelines on what we could say. We were urged to have an “answer” to every long’s question, but we were to frame that answer in a way that ridiculed the questioner for asking such a question. However, we were never to use profanity or vulgarity because that would cause people to ignore us. We were to make fun of people, but in a civil way. The idea was to get “play,” i.e. – reaction from other posters. The more play we got, the more the room would be disrupted. Ignored posters get no play. One exception would be the hypster – since they were “defending” the stock against our onslaught, they got a little more leeway. People would side with the hypster because they thought he was real since he appeared to be on their side, but was really on ours, setting us up to disrupt the room. Padelcars is quite good at this and gets paid very well.

I’ve worked on BIFS for about three months now. In addition to the Firebird_1965 alias, I’ve used a few others on the BIFS and several other boards as well. I stuck with Firebird_1965 because it was the one that got the most play from other posters.

In closing, I feel absolutely terrible about this. It’s just awful how I’ve been part of a scam designed to cheat honest, hard-working people out of their investments all for the benefit of a few wealthy people who already have enough money to last a lifetime. These greedy people MUST be stopped. That’s why I’m posting this before I leave. I want to make up for some of the damage I’ve done. I can’t live with this lie anymore. You can’t imagine how hard it is to look at myself in the mirror each morning knowing my job is to cheat and lie.

I have to go now, I’m too broken up to continue. I hope this confession can make up for my sordid deeds; I would urge everyone who reads this to copy and repost it as many times as you can. Only by shining the light of truth can we drive these rats back into the darkness from whence they came. Believe me, they don’t want publicity.

I hope all of you can forgive me and save me a seat on that BIFS rocket to the moon. If this helps, let me leave you with this…

GO BIFS!!!!

With fervent remorse,

Tom Martin
aka “Steve Tracy”
aka “Firebird_1965”
.
.


Salle

[grange]

@ an alle

franzjosefstrauss beantwortet im Prinzip keine sachlichen Fragen auf seine Behauptungen, Meinungen angebliches Insiderwissen.

Ahnt, oder weiss jemand WARUM ????

[Hudson Hawk]

Hallo MB-ler!!
Wir glauben doch alle an unseren Wert! Also last Euch von so einem
Selbstbefummler nichts vormachen.Je mehr wir uns aufregen desto mehr
Spass hat er doch bei seinen Aktivitäten...!??!

[bödi]

Hey Tscheche,

dass die Postings von FJS "schlüssiger" als die meisten anderen Postings sein sollen, halte ich für einen schlechten Witz. Das spricht wirklich nicht für Dich. Auch dass diese Gerüchte keine Einfluss auf den Kurs haben sollen, kann ich überhaupt nicht nachvollziehen. Diese Gerüchte sind immerhin von EaS und anderen Finanzmedien aufgegriffen worden. Immerhin lesen - den Seitenabrufen nach zu urteilen - einige Hundert diese Postings. Da werden sicherlich einige schwach und verkaufen.
Bei diesem Typen sind sicherlich psychopathische Züge gepaart mit einem Schuß Sadismus zu erkennen. Vielleicht ist es sogar ganz gut, dass er sich hier austoben kann und nicht woanders!

[grange]

Es gibt keine Fakten von franzjosef,

nur über Ihn :

1) über 260 negative Postings zu MB Soft
2) nicht in MB investiert
3) n i c h t s über andere Aktien
4) benutzt nach eigener Einlassung ein Börseninformationssystem.,

dass angeblich über den Möglichkeiten der übrigen Boardteilnehmer liegt, diese Info-Systeme sind nicht ganz billig ( habe selbst einige ausprobiert, monatlich Kosten zwischen DM 600 und DM 2.400 je nach Umfang dürften auch heute noch üblich sein)

5) verbreitet nur Meinungen und Teoilwahrkeiten
6) unterschlägt meist wichtige Details
7) wir höhnisch wenn runter geht

8) soll aus Hameln sein, könnte alle wesentlichen Fragen, z.B. jetzt RIB Aktien in Hameln bei MB Soft erklären.
Postet hier aber nur negative Vermutungen.

9) setzt sein Kursziel wöchentlich herunter

Das macht doch niemand aus Spass ???
Oder die Kosten, damit er uns einiges über MB Umsätze erzählen kann ?

Mach da mal nen Reim drauf................

da stinkt doch was !!!!!

[Salle]

@grange:

Wenn Du für jedes Posting DM 20,- plus Provision für jeden Euro Aktienkurs weniger bekommst.

Wer dahinter steckt ist erstmal egal. Ziel muß sein Ihn 1. zu überführen, 2. ihn sperren zu lassen, 3. Staatsanwaltschaft etc.
4. zu Förtschie in den Knast.

Klingt zwar hart ist aber Ernst.

Salle

[grange]

Hat fjs einige "Waaserträger" ?

kommt schweigt der Eine, postet der andere Unsinn.

Hunzebär stellt unhaltbare Behauptungen auf,
kann entweder nicht rechnen und glaubt, seine Zahlen rechnet keiner nach.

usw. usw.,

Alles eine Masche....

[Individualist]

Die Welt hat sich gegen euch verschworen.....

@salle
Du glaubst da wirklich dran.....richtig? Du weißt schon, daß das
was du tust nach euren Regeln auch strafbar ist...falsche bzw.
unbewiesenen Behauptungen.

@bödi
Diese Gerüchte schlüssig zu dementieren, hatte MB ja wohl selbst
in der Hand....solltest noch mal die EaS ansehen, wenn du schon damit
anfängst

Der Erklärung von Tscheche kann ich einiges abgewinnen....
Warum sollte fjs kein Daytrader sein? Diese benutzen für unterschiedliche
Board bzw. für unterschiedliche Aktien auch unterschiedliche ID`s.
Der Kursverlauf gab ihm im übrigen bisher recht......
Im übrigen bin ich seit geraumer Zeit ebenfalls kein MB-Aktionär mehr,
hab nach dem Interview die Reißleine gezogen. Das Unternehmen an sich
halte ich für interessant, jedoch muß wirklich erstmal klarer Tisch gemacht
werden (die Info.politik kann ja wohl keiner von euch als gelungen
bezeichnen...). Die Gerüchte über Finanzschwierigkeiten existieren nicht
erst durch (oder seit) fjs. Als Aktionär sollte man sichim übrigen auch
kritische Fragen über das Unternehmen stellen. Teilweise hat man ja den
Eindruck, daß einige Leute mit MB verheiratet sind. Eine Person im
übrigen für das Kursdesaster verantwortlich zu machen ist zudem ziemlich
naiv (wenn auch einfach).

Soweit

[grange]

@ indiviualist

weitgehend, in vielen Punkten, wirst Du nicht ganz unrecht haben.

Nur,
das Verhalten von fjs, Hunezbaer u.ä ist so perfide, dass es nicht in diese Gesellschaft passt, auch wenn hier sonst "Meinungsfreiheit" herrscht.

Wer sich ausserhalb des "üblichen" Verhalten stellt, wobei ich allerdings nicht definieren möchte, was " üblich" ist- das kann zu echten Problemen führen-
sollte sich auf einen Kreis seiner Gesinnungsgenossen beschränken !!!!

Hätten 10 Postings pro Monat - negativ über MB Soft- statt über 100 nicht auch gereicht ???

Er versucht, durch die Masse seiner Beiträge - und geschickte Darstellung, die meist nicht der Wahrheit entspricht - eine Manipulierung, oder bestreitetest Du das auch ??

Er wohnt nach seiner Angabe in Hameln, verbreitet hier aber nur subtile Gerüchte und könnte die meisten Sachen direkt bei MB (Wahrheitsfindung sei angebracht !!) direkt klären und erst dann ins Board -- Erklärung von Dir, warum er das nicht macht ????


265 Beiträge in kanpp über 20 Monaten um Aktieninhaber nur einer einzigen (!) Aktie möglichst zum Verkaufen zu bewegen,

hälst Du das für üblich ???????????????????

Hier wird kein fjs "umsonst" angegriffen und ahrscheinlich braucht er Dich zur _Verteidigung auch nicht

Seine Verteidigung ist eh klar

auf nichts antworten

neue Gerüchte vertreuen !!

[Individualist]

@grange

Im Gegenzug hast du sicher mit vielen Argumenten recht, die du bringst.
Ich wage aber mal zu behaupten, daß ihr ihn auch hochgeschaukelt habt,
ohne diverse überflüssige Postings wären es vielleicht sehr viel
weniger Beiträge seinerseits......er spielt sich halt gern in den
Vordergrund (und hat gern Recht...eine Bewußte Manipulierung der Kurse...
dafür geht er im übrigen zu plump vor). Was solls, von der Sorte gibts viele.
Es gibt sicherlich genausoviele unqualifizierte Basher wie auch Pusher.
(wobei ich für Kleinanleger zweiteres für gefährlicher halte), dies
bitte unabhängig von MB verstehen (obwohl ich nicht zweifle, daß
du auch die Objektivität anderer Boardteilnehmer in die andere Richtung
anzweifelst). Wie war das noch....die Summe aller Fehler negiert sich? ;-)
Vielleicht nehmen sich hier viele zu ernst (bzw. die Bedeutung ihrer Postings).....
Warum ich mich hier als Verteidiger aufspiele???? Ähem....wollt ich
eigentlich nicht...ich fands bloß lustig, wie ihr eure `moralischen
Grundsätze` aufgestellt habt (persönliche Beleidigungen, Vorwürfe etc.)
um sie dann schnell zu vergessen. Im übrigen ist es dem normalen, interessierten
Leser eines Boards schnuppe, wer da mal vor 10 Boards angefangen hat,
persönlich zu werden. Das ist Kindergartenniveau.
Fakt ist...es gibt einige ungeklärte Dinge (für die MB sicher auch schon
abgestraft wurde, sprich, sicher ist vieles schon eingepreist), ein
normaler Investor (speziell Großinvestoren) wollen aber erst Klarheit
über alle berechtigten UND unberechtigten Vorwürfe haben....solange
wird der Kurs unten sein und so lange werdet ihr euch auch mit fjs
herumschlagen müssen.......meine Meinung

Soweit

[grange]

@individualist

danke, recht gut beurteilt.

fjs mag evt. sehr sehr introvertiert sein, persönliche Gründe gegen MB mögen auch Ihre Rolle spielen, auch glaube ich , ein (Krimninal)- Phychologe könnte da einiges herausfinden.

Ich habe diese Aktie bewusst wohl nie mit irgendwelchen plumpen Prognosen (wie € ohne Ende, usw.) glorifiziert.

iIch bin lediglich (hoch) investiert, ´gehe aber auch bei badarf mal mit einigen 1000 Stück rein und raus, wobei mein Verdienst ( fjs mag sich tot lachen, unwichtig ist- mit einigen 1000 kann man an schwachen Tagen schon auch mal den Kurs stützen, selbst mit der Gewissheit, dass meine Menge und meine Möglichkeiten gegenüber dem Gesamtmarkt minimal sind)

Ich will mit nur nicht ein Engagement "kaputtreden" lassen
keine Argumentte
keine Quellen
subtile Meinungen
psychologische "Kriegsführung"

usw., usw.
sollten hier nicht im Board üblich werden.

[grange]

@individualist

und noch eins

1) nicht fjs alleine, damit mischen mehrere mit

2) werfe mal einen Stein ins Wasser..... und die Wellen...
und wenns dann läuft : the trend is your friend...
wird dann geschicktt "am laufen" gehalten...
im Hintergrund spielen da wohl andere mit


Erklärung möglich oder nur Zufall ?? ::

München heute früh Stück 9600 zu € 8,92 (die anderen Plätze alle deutlich niedriger)
war das jemanden zuviel, schliesslich bliebe ide zahl stehen...

10 Minuten später ganze 30 Stück Umsatz zu € 8,60...

Ein Schelm der denkt.. oder ein Zufall......

[grange]

@individualist

und noch eins

1) nicht fjs alleine, damit mischen mehrere mit

2) werfe mal einen Stein ins Wasser..... und die Wellen...
und wenns dann läuft : the trend is your friend...
wird dann geschicktt "am laufen" gehalten...
im Hintergrund spielen da wohl andere mit


Erklärung möglich oder nur Zufall ?? ::

München heute früh Stück 9600 zu € 8,92 (die anderen Plätze alle deutlich niedriger)
war das jemanden zuviel, schliesslich bliebe die Zahl stehen...

10 Minuten später ganze 30 Stück Umsatz zu € 8,60...

Ein Schelm der denkt.. oder ein Zufall......

[grange]

@individualist

und noch eins

1) nicht fjs alleine, damit mischen mehrere mit

2) werfe mal einen Stein ins Wasser..... und die Wellen...
und wenns dann läuft : the trend is your friend...
wird dann geschicktt "am laufen" gehalten...
im Hintergrund spielen da wohl andere mit


Erklärung möglich oder nur Zufall ?? ::

München heute früh Stück 9600 zu € 8,92 (die anderen Plätze alle deutlich niedriger)
war das jemanden zuviel, schliesslich bliebe die Zahl stehen...

10 Minuten später ganze 30 Stück Umsatz zu € 8,60...

Ein Schelm der denkt.. oder ein Zufall......

[grange]

tut mir leid, das sollte natürlich nur 1x rein,
unerklärlich

wie so vieles

[grange]

up

sonst ist nur noch Unsinn "oben"

tut mit leid, aber geht nicht anders

MfG

[Smasher]

Heute bricht für unseres kleines Scheisserle die Welt zusammen

MBS STRIKES BACK IN FJS`s STUPID FACE !!!

[1Meyer]

@smasher

Auch wenn wir die gleichen Ziele bei MB haben, so teile ich deine Auffassung nicht.

Hinter irgendeiner der neu auftauchenden ID`s wird er sich schon verstecken. Sein Ziel hat er erreicht. Und wenn er seine MB`s aus Tradingmotiven kurzfristig an den Nagel gehängt hat, wird er uns auch in Zukunft nicht erspart bleiben.

Wir sollten uns auf MB konzentrieren und zusammen mit den wenigen ernstzunehmenden Leuten (bömi,grange,..) die Perspektiven von MB analysieren.

Der Weg bei MB ist klar: Zahlen unterstützt durch einen freundlichen Markt und abhängig von der Qualität der Zahlen sehen wir in der Folge Kurse von 10 - 20 Euro.

Grüße