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Turkey Troubled Over Iraq,Seeks Cut In Defense Debt To US
ANKARA (AP)--As he prepares for a visit to Washington next week, Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit said Friday that he will outline Turkish concerns over any military operation against Iraq and seek at least a reduction in Turkey`s $5 billion military debt with the U.S.
Turkey, a close U.S. ally, has been a strong supporter of the U.S. anti- terrorism campaign, but it fears that a U.S. operation against Iraq could lead to the formation of a Kurdish state in the areas of northern Iraq that border Turkey.
Turkey itself has fought a 15-year war against Kurdish rebels within its borders and doesn`t want the conflict to flare up if Kurds across the border achieve statehood.
Washington hasn`t announced any plans to attack Iraq. U.S. President George W. Bush has said the U.S. war against terrorism wouldn`t be limited to Afghanistan, but hasn`t said what country might next become a U.S. military target. Ecevit will meet with Bush Wednesday.
"The situation in Iraq is very important for us. We hope that a new problem will not arise for Turkey in regard to the situation in Iraq," Ecevit said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Of course, the United States may have its own concerns, we are committed to ... discussing such efforts jointly with the United States particularly regarding Iraq."
Ecevit said he couldn`t discuss the details of Turkey`s position regarding Iraq before speaking to U.S. officials in Washington.
Turkey is important for any U.S. military action against Iraq. Turkey served as the launching pad for attacks against the neighboring country during the 1991 Gulf War. U.S. and U.K. warplanes enforcing a no-fly zone above northern Iraq are based in Turkey.
Turkish military and civilian leaders recently signaled that Turkey is mostly concerned with Iraq`s territorial integrity rather than the survival of the Saddam Hussein`s regime.
Ecevit stressed that formation of a Kurdish state in northern Iraq could pose a threat to Turkey`s unity. Turkey fears that such a development could provoke Turkish Kurds rebels seeking autonomy in the Kurdish-dominated southeast, bordering Iraq.
"We definitely can`t accept that," Ecevit said. "We will never allow that."
(This story was originally published by Dow Jones Newswires)
ANKARA (AP)--As he prepares for a visit to Washington next week, Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit said Friday that he will outline Turkish concerns over any military operation against Iraq and seek at least a reduction in Turkey`s $5 billion military debt with the U.S.
Turkey, a close U.S. ally, has been a strong supporter of the U.S. anti- terrorism campaign, but it fears that a U.S. operation against Iraq could lead to the formation of a Kurdish state in the areas of northern Iraq that border Turkey.
Turkey itself has fought a 15-year war against Kurdish rebels within its borders and doesn`t want the conflict to flare up if Kurds across the border achieve statehood.
Washington hasn`t announced any plans to attack Iraq. U.S. President George W. Bush has said the U.S. war against terrorism wouldn`t be limited to Afghanistan, but hasn`t said what country might next become a U.S. military target. Ecevit will meet with Bush Wednesday.
"The situation in Iraq is very important for us. We hope that a new problem will not arise for Turkey in regard to the situation in Iraq," Ecevit said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Of course, the United States may have its own concerns, we are committed to ... discussing such efforts jointly with the United States particularly regarding Iraq."
Ecevit said he couldn`t discuss the details of Turkey`s position regarding Iraq before speaking to U.S. officials in Washington.
Turkey is important for any U.S. military action against Iraq. Turkey served as the launching pad for attacks against the neighboring country during the 1991 Gulf War. U.S. and U.K. warplanes enforcing a no-fly zone above northern Iraq are based in Turkey.
Turkish military and civilian leaders recently signaled that Turkey is mostly concerned with Iraq`s territorial integrity rather than the survival of the Saddam Hussein`s regime.
Ecevit stressed that formation of a Kurdish state in northern Iraq could pose a threat to Turkey`s unity. Turkey fears that such a development could provoke Turkish Kurds rebels seeking autonomy in the Kurdish-dominated southeast, bordering Iraq.
"We definitely can`t accept that," Ecevit said. "We will never allow that."
(This story was originally published by Dow Jones Newswires)
Ein weiterer sehr interessanter Artikel zu und pro Gold
aus dem USA Gold Board
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Gold Market Brief (1/11/02). . . . . . . Gold inched lower this morning after the sharp rally of the past two days. Reports say the gold market will be influenced today by options expiration in both the Comex and London OTC markets and the upcoming Bank of England auction this coming Wednesday. Recent market strength which pushed the metal near the $290 mark in recent days has been attributed to:
1. General concern over the Enron situation including persistent rumors that Enron may have had silver loans outstanding at the time of its collapse, (And logically if there were silver loans, the possibility of outstanding gold loans cannot be discounted)
2. General concern on the part of investors over the Argentina default and devaluation with those concerns being more pronounced in economies experiencing problems of their own like Japan. The concern seems to be not so much the contagion effect on the world banking system but how these breakdowns affect individual investors in the form of currency controls, equity market dissolution, etc.,
3. General concern about rising tensions between Pakistan and India including the almost casual exchange of nuclear threats, (As it is, even without the tensions India is the world`s largest gold market)
4. General concern within the gold carry trade industry and among professional gold bears that the Newmont / Franco-Nevada / Normandy merger will stick a fork in the already unwinding gold lending business
5. General concern over strains on the available supply of gold the result of one through four above
"Gold appears to have successfully broken into a new range between $285 and $290. . .the willingness of speculators to play gold from the long side," says UBS / Warburg, "has been demonstrated early in the New Year and this heralds well for the precious metals in 2002."
Short & Sweet. . . . . . . . . . . . . ."Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," says DeTocqueville Fund`s John Hathway in a Forbes magazine article, "$2,500--maybe $5,000.". . . . . . . . . A London analyst recently quoted in a Reuters article frames the developing situation in the gold lending industry (a very bullish assessment) this way: "It`s the banks that are losing out from consolidation. They have fewer clients, less margins and lower contangos. The bullion banks are already saying that they`re not getting any business from the supply side, so they`re going to the demand side." The net result has been a steady reduction in forward selling, leasing and gold carry trades -- the very activity that in the past has kept a lid on the gold price. . . . . . . . . . Mitsui`s Andy Smith added that "This is a signal for the end of a trend, which is hedging, that has been dominant for the last 15 years. It`s now become a liability because the market has become too small to trade these books." I imagine these thoughts prey heavily on the minds of those who have been short the gold market all these years. The tone and tenor of things is changing -- perhaps rapidly. . . . . . . . . . . . One trend we may have difficulty quantifying, though it may also add substance to gold`s new-found strength, is the switch in Europe from local currencies to the euro. TheMinesite.com offers this assessment of euro introduction with respect to how it might affect demand for gold: "All agreed that it was an experiment which the people of France had not been asked to approve. And like all experiments there was a good chance it would fail. Already the Italians are showing discontent and the Spanish refer to it dismissively as the eurito. Small wonder then that gold is in favour as the French will not have missed the slight increase in the bullion price, the fact that silver hit an 11 month high, nor the improvement in the dollar/euro exchange rate in the first week of the new currency. It may take time to get through the system, but the switch from francs could add up to a lot of tonnes of the yellow metal." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .We have had quite a few questions on gold- bull-turned-bear Blanchard & Co`s anti-gold marketing campaign. I came across this interpretation
TG
aus dem USA Gold Board
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Gold Market Brief (1/11/02). . . . . . . Gold inched lower this morning after the sharp rally of the past two days. Reports say the gold market will be influenced today by options expiration in both the Comex and London OTC markets and the upcoming Bank of England auction this coming Wednesday. Recent market strength which pushed the metal near the $290 mark in recent days has been attributed to:
1. General concern over the Enron situation including persistent rumors that Enron may have had silver loans outstanding at the time of its collapse, (And logically if there were silver loans, the possibility of outstanding gold loans cannot be discounted)
2. General concern on the part of investors over the Argentina default and devaluation with those concerns being more pronounced in economies experiencing problems of their own like Japan. The concern seems to be not so much the contagion effect on the world banking system but how these breakdowns affect individual investors in the form of currency controls, equity market dissolution, etc.,
3. General concern about rising tensions between Pakistan and India including the almost casual exchange of nuclear threats, (As it is, even without the tensions India is the world`s largest gold market)
4. General concern within the gold carry trade industry and among professional gold bears that the Newmont / Franco-Nevada / Normandy merger will stick a fork in the already unwinding gold lending business
5. General concern over strains on the available supply of gold the result of one through four above
"Gold appears to have successfully broken into a new range between $285 and $290. . .the willingness of speculators to play gold from the long side," says UBS / Warburg, "has been demonstrated early in the New Year and this heralds well for the precious metals in 2002."
Short & Sweet. . . . . . . . . . . . . ."Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," says DeTocqueville Fund`s John Hathway in a Forbes magazine article, "$2,500--maybe $5,000.". . . . . . . . . A London analyst recently quoted in a Reuters article frames the developing situation in the gold lending industry (a very bullish assessment) this way: "It`s the banks that are losing out from consolidation. They have fewer clients, less margins and lower contangos. The bullion banks are already saying that they`re not getting any business from the supply side, so they`re going to the demand side." The net result has been a steady reduction in forward selling, leasing and gold carry trades -- the very activity that in the past has kept a lid on the gold price. . . . . . . . . . Mitsui`s Andy Smith added that "This is a signal for the end of a trend, which is hedging, that has been dominant for the last 15 years. It`s now become a liability because the market has become too small to trade these books." I imagine these thoughts prey heavily on the minds of those who have been short the gold market all these years. The tone and tenor of things is changing -- perhaps rapidly. . . . . . . . . . . . One trend we may have difficulty quantifying, though it may also add substance to gold`s new-found strength, is the switch in Europe from local currencies to the euro. TheMinesite.com offers this assessment of euro introduction with respect to how it might affect demand for gold: "All agreed that it was an experiment which the people of France had not been asked to approve. And like all experiments there was a good chance it would fail. Already the Italians are showing discontent and the Spanish refer to it dismissively as the eurito. Small wonder then that gold is in favour as the French will not have missed the slight increase in the bullion price, the fact that silver hit an 11 month high, nor the improvement in the dollar/euro exchange rate in the first week of the new currency. It may take time to get through the system, but the switch from francs could add up to a lot of tonnes of the yellow metal." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .We have had quite a few questions on gold- bull-turned-bear Blanchard & Co`s anti-gold marketing campaign. I came across this interpretation
TG
Zum vorgängigen Posting, hier der orginale Artikel aus John Hathaways Forbes Magazin.http://www.forbes.com/global/2002/0121/053.html
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Paranoids with enemies?
Peter Brimelow, Forbes Global, 01.21.02
Is the price of gold being manipulated?
Sometime toward the end of the Battle of the Atlantic, notes John Hathaway of Tocqueville Asset Management in New York, U-boat captains suspected that the Allies had broken the German Navy`s secret code. They thought this because of the eerie way in which, when they surfaced to radio their position home, warplanes promptly arrived to drop depth charges on them. But the High Command dismissed the idea as crazy. Just a little more lateral thinking might have brought them to the truth: The Allies had in fact been reading all Axis codes since the beginning of the war.
Hathaway is perhaps the most respectable Wall Street convert to another apparently crazy idea: that the gold market is being managed.
Goldbugs, notoriously obsessive, have been muttering this for some time as the price of the metal has fallen to inflation-adjusted levels not seen since 1971. A Delaware corporation called the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (www.GATA.org) has retained Berger & Montague, Philadelphia antitrust lawyers, to act against the financial institutions, bullion dealers and investment banks it considers responsible. Similarly, Reginald Howe, the proprietor of the investment website Goldensextant.com and a lawyer, is suing the Bank for International Settlements, as well as Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, and financial institutions for colluding to suppress the price of gold.
Hathaway says that what got his attention was trading action at New York`s COMEX on June 27. Gold had been rising on the growing perception that the authorities were panicking in the face of gathering recession. Suddenly, a massive unidentified seller broke the gold rally. A few minutes later the Fed announced one in its series of cuts in the interest rate, which normally would have sent gold soaring. But in the thin gold market, Hathaway explains, carefully timed interventions can have long-lasting reverberations. Gold continued to slump.
"It sent the message `Gold tanks-t-he authorities are in control!`" says Hathaway. Not for the first time. But for him, this was one depth charge too many.
"Governments try to manage exchange rates and interest rates," he asks. "Why not gold?"
In fact, as recently as the mid-1960s, central banks quite openly managed the gold price, through the so-called London Gold Pool. The effort failed when the inflation of the 1960s made the demand for gold uncontainable.
In back of Hathaway`s question is an even more ominous possibility. Has the recent unprecedented appreciation of U.S. financial assets simply been a great credit bubble--which the authorities are struggling desperately to control through such measures as a repressed gold price?
He thinks so. "The price of gold in perpetual checkmate became a central motif in the mythology of the new economic paradigm," he writes in an essay on his company`s website (www.tocqueville.com). He says that a "bipartisan consensus" believes a strong U.S. dollar is necessary to attract foreign finance, and weak gold makes the dollar look better.
Peter L. Bernstein, an economist and author (most recently of The Power of Gold, which notes the metal`s lost oomph), discounts talk of a conspiracy. "The world`s a big place, and there are big market forces at work," he says. "Gold is like a bond that doesn`t have a maturity." However, he suspects, a snugger supply after Sept. 11 and demand for jewelry will lift the price, which lately has lagged below $280 an ounce.
Just wait until the jig is up, says Hathaway. "Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," he says calmly. "$2,500--maybe $5,000."
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TG
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Paranoids with enemies?
Peter Brimelow, Forbes Global, 01.21.02
Is the price of gold being manipulated?
Sometime toward the end of the Battle of the Atlantic, notes John Hathaway of Tocqueville Asset Management in New York, U-boat captains suspected that the Allies had broken the German Navy`s secret code. They thought this because of the eerie way in which, when they surfaced to radio their position home, warplanes promptly arrived to drop depth charges on them. But the High Command dismissed the idea as crazy. Just a little more lateral thinking might have brought them to the truth: The Allies had in fact been reading all Axis codes since the beginning of the war.
Hathaway is perhaps the most respectable Wall Street convert to another apparently crazy idea: that the gold market is being managed.
Goldbugs, notoriously obsessive, have been muttering this for some time as the price of the metal has fallen to inflation-adjusted levels not seen since 1971. A Delaware corporation called the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (www.GATA.org) has retained Berger & Montague, Philadelphia antitrust lawyers, to act against the financial institutions, bullion dealers and investment banks it considers responsible. Similarly, Reginald Howe, the proprietor of the investment website Goldensextant.com and a lawyer, is suing the Bank for International Settlements, as well as Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, and financial institutions for colluding to suppress the price of gold.
Hathaway says that what got his attention was trading action at New York`s COMEX on June 27. Gold had been rising on the growing perception that the authorities were panicking in the face of gathering recession. Suddenly, a massive unidentified seller broke the gold rally. A few minutes later the Fed announced one in its series of cuts in the interest rate, which normally would have sent gold soaring. But in the thin gold market, Hathaway explains, carefully timed interventions can have long-lasting reverberations. Gold continued to slump.
"It sent the message `Gold tanks-t-he authorities are in control!`" says Hathaway. Not for the first time. But for him, this was one depth charge too many.
"Governments try to manage exchange rates and interest rates," he asks. "Why not gold?"
In fact, as recently as the mid-1960s, central banks quite openly managed the gold price, through the so-called London Gold Pool. The effort failed when the inflation of the 1960s made the demand for gold uncontainable.
In back of Hathaway`s question is an even more ominous possibility. Has the recent unprecedented appreciation of U.S. financial assets simply been a great credit bubble--which the authorities are struggling desperately to control through such measures as a repressed gold price?
He thinks so. "The price of gold in perpetual checkmate became a central motif in the mythology of the new economic paradigm," he writes in an essay on his company`s website (www.tocqueville.com). He says that a "bipartisan consensus" believes a strong U.S. dollar is necessary to attract foreign finance, and weak gold makes the dollar look better.
Peter L. Bernstein, an economist and author (most recently of The Power of Gold, which notes the metal`s lost oomph), discounts talk of a conspiracy. "The world`s a big place, and there are big market forces at work," he says. "Gold is like a bond that doesn`t have a maturity." However, he suspects, a snugger supply after Sept. 11 and demand for jewelry will lift the price, which lately has lagged below $280 an ounce.
Just wait until the jig is up, says Hathaway. "Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," he says calmly. "$2,500--maybe $5,000."
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TG
Sorry, sollte natürlich: der orginale Artikel von John Hathaways im Forbes Magazin heissen.
TG
TG
Friday World Gold Prices
Story Filed: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:35 AM EST
Selected world gold prices, Friday.
Hong Kong late: $286.95 up $2.80.
London morning fixing: $286.60 up $0.30.
London afternoon fixing: $285.75 off $0.55.
London late: $286.70 up $0.40.
Paris afternoon fixing: $284.35 up $0.32.
Zurich late afternoon: $286.15 up $0.50.
NY Handy & Harman: $285.75 off $1.10.
NY Handy & Harman fabricated: $308.61 off $1.19.
NY Engelhard: $286.89 off $1.10.
NY Engelhard fabricated: $301.23 off $1.16.
NY Merc. gold spot month Thu: $287.10 up $3.70.
NY HSBC Bank USA 4 p.m. Thu: $287.00 up $3.80.Friday World Gold Prices
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Story Filed: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:35 AM EST
Selected world gold prices, Friday.
Hong Kong late: $286.95 up $2.80.
London morning fixing: $286.60 up $0.30.
London afternoon fixing: $285.75 off $0.55.
London late: $286.70 up $0.40.
Paris afternoon fixing: $284.35 up $0.32.
Zurich late afternoon: $286.15 up $0.50.
NY Handy & Harman: $285.75 off $1.10.
NY Handy & Harman fabricated: $308.61 off $1.19.
NY Engelhard: $286.89 off $1.10.
NY Engelhard fabricated: $301.23 off $1.16.
NY Merc. gold spot month Thu: $287.10 up $3.70.
NY HSBC Bank USA 4 p.m. Thu: $287.00 up $3.80.Friday World Gold Prices
Copyright © 2002 Associated Press Information Services, all rights reserved.
You may now print or save this document.
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Indien ist voll bereit für einen Krieg mit Pakistan !
Das ist Bericht heute Abend, von Fox News, der Anlass zu grosser Sorge gibt.
http://www.foxnews.com/
India `Fully Ready` for War, Army Chief Says
AP
Sunderajan Padmanabhan
Friday, January 11, 2002
NEW DELHI, India — Rattling his war saber, India`s army chief said that his country is "ready for war" with Pakistan and said that any nation attacking with nuclear weapons "shall be punished."
Gen. Sunderajan Padmanabhan said the buildup of thousands troops on the border between India and Pakistan was not an exercise and that the massing had brought the two nuclear neighbors "quite close to an actual war."
The historically tense situation between the two nations has worsened since a Dec. 13 attack on India`s Parliament that New Delhi blames on Pakistan. The root of the tension is India`s rule over part of the disputed northern territory of Kashmir. New Delhi has demanded Islamabad crack down on Pakistan-based Islamic militants battling Indian troops there.
In Pakistan, a senior government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf would announce comprehensive measures against religious violence and extremism in a speech Saturday. The official news agency confirmed that Musharraf will speak in a televised address at 7:30 p.m. (9:30 a.m. EST Saturday).
Padmanabhan reiterated New Delhi`s policy that India would only use nuclear weapons to defend itself, and not to launch an initial attack.
Indian Defense Minister George Ferenandes sought to soften the war rhetoric. "We are pursuing the diplomatic efforts in the belief that they will yield results," he said.
In Kashmir Friday, Indian and Pakistani troops traded fire Friday over the cease-fire line dividing the Himalayan region. The Indian army said it killed eight soldiers and destroyed 19 bunkers on the Pakistani side in the fire. There was no immediate Pakistani comment. Indian security also fought with Islamic guerrillas in several gunbattles in parts of Kashmir that left six militants and a civilian dead, Press Trust of India reported.
The Pakistani government — which has said it seeks dialogue to defuse the crisis — dismissed Padmanabhan`s comments and blamed India for initiating troop movements and sparking tensions.
AP
Pakistani troops sit in a bunker along the India-Pakistan border.
"We have been telling the world about the Indian military buildup for the last two weeks ... which is causing friction between the two countries," Gen. Rashid Quereshi told The Associated Press in Islamabad.
The Indian army chief`s comments were some of the strongest yet by the military about the standoff.
"Yes, we are fully ready," Padmanabhan told journalists when asked if India was ready for a conventional war.
He said an assault on Islamic militant camps India says are located in the Pakistan-held part of Kashmir could be "viable."
Padmanabhan called the situation at the border "serious." India is planning military exercises in two border states this month, but the general clarified that the broader buildup of troops at the border was no practice run.
"This (deployment) we are doing for real. We have not gone for exercises. We are ready for war," he said.
"When two forces are opposite each other you are quite close to an actual war, but an actual war doesn`t happen like that," he said. "It is governments that have to set about the business of war."
He reiterated India`s declared policy of no first-strike with nuclear weapons. But any country that launches a nuclear strike against India "shall be punished, and so severely that their continuation thereafter in any form of fray will be doubtful," he said.
AP
Muslims prepare to bury one of five militants responsible for the attacks on India`s parliament.
The United States has been calling for dialogue between the two countries, while urging Musharraf to take stronger action against militant groups.
President Bush urges both sides "to recognize the importance of fighting terrorism," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer told reporters Friday on Air Force One as the president flew to Pennsylvania.
"India and Pakistan have a mutual enemy in terrorism, not each other," Fleischer said.
Secretary of State Colin Powell was to arrive in New Delhi on Jan. 18 after a stop in Pakistan, an Indian official said Friday.
In a meeting at the White House on Thursday, Bush assured India`s home minister, Lal K. Advani, that Washington will press Pakistan to crack down further on militants.
India accuses Pakistan`s spy agency of backing two Islamic militant groups in the attack on Parliament, which left nine Indians and the five assailants dead. Pakistan denies the claim.
The bodies of the five assailants were buried at an Islamic cemetery in New Delhi on Friday under heavy guard by Indian police. India says the five were Pakistani citizens, but Pakistan says they are not its nationals and refused to take the bodies.
Pakistan has arrested some 300 militants since the Parliament attack. But India says camps still exist in Pakistan`s part of Kashmir and militants continue to operate.
India has long accused Pakistan of waging a "proxy war" against it by allowing Islamic militant groups to recruit, raise funds and train in camps on its soil and in the portion of the disputed Kashmir region that Pakistan controls.
Pakistan denies giving military or financial support to the militants, saying it only gives them political backing in their cause — the battle against India`s rule in two-thirds of Kashmir.
Kashmir, which both nations claim, has been at the center of two of the three wars fought by India and Pakistan since 1947.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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TG
Bericht vom 11. Januar 2002, von CBS MarketWatch
Dieser Bericht hat nur indirekt mit Gold, und/oder Silber zutun. Ist jedoch zumindest ein weiteres signifikantes Indiz dafür, dass die Verantwortlichen in der *Privatbank* *FED*: Chairman Alan Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill, eben doch auch in Sachen Gold manipuliert haben könnten.
Dieser Personen sind alle sammt in der Klage von Howe/Gata, in der Goldpreis manipulatons Sache, mit angezeigt worden.
http://www.gata.org/howe_complaint.html
Einer von mehreren Hautangeklagten in diesem Prozess ist auch die Citibank *Citigroup*, als deren *chairman of the executive committee* Robert Rubin heute verantwortlich zeichnet.
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http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/
WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin called a top U.S. Treasury official in November, asking that the government intervene with credit agencies that were about to cut Enron`s debt ratings, the Treasury Department disclosed Friday.
Rubin is now chairman of the executive committee at Citigroup (C: news, chart, profile), which is Enron`s largest creditor to the tune of $3 billion, according to court documents in the collapsed energy trader`s bankruptcy case.
A Treasury spokeswoman, Michele Davis, said in a statement released late Friday that Undersecretary Peter Fisher turned down Rubin`s request to call the ratings agencies on behalf of Enron (ENE: news, chart, profile).
She said that on Nov. 8 Rubin asked him "what he thought of the idea of Fisher placing a call to rating agencies to encourage them to work with Enron`s bankers to see if there is an alternative to an immediate downgrade."
Rubin said he thought that was a reasonable position, according to Davis` statement.
Fisher was among several government officials contacted by Enron Chief Executive Kenneth Lay in October and November, just before his company filed for the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history. Rubin is a Democrat who served under President Bill Clinton.
Role in bailouts
In the late 1990s, Rubin and Fisher, who was a top Federal Reserve official at the time, participated in several high-profile financial rescue efforts, including an effort led by the New York Federal Reserve Bank to stabilize the Long-Term Capital Management hedge fund.
An Enron spokeswoman declined to comment on the Rubin revelation. Representatives of Citigroup weren`t immediately available for comment.
In the wake of Wednesday`s news that the Justice Department opened a criminal probe of the Enron matter, U.S. officials have acknowledged that Lay also called Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill and Commerce Secretary Don Evans.
None of the officials gave Enron any assistance in rescheduling its debts or in averting the ratings downgrades that led to the bankruptcy filing, they have said.
In televised interviews, O`Neill said Lay didn`t seek any bailout money. Evans` account, however, is that Lay did ask for help with the ratings agencies.
A Fed spokesman declined to characterize Greenspan`s conversation with Lay.
Lay, who has close ties to President Bush and other administration officials, was a top fund-raiser in Bush`s presidential campaign. He and has also contributed to many other Republicans` war chests, including Attorney General John Ashcroft, and he gave smaller amounts to some Democrats.
On Thursday, Bush vowed that his relationship with Lay wouldn`t interfere with a full federal investigation surrounding the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history. See full story.
Davis, the Treasury spokeswoman, said undersecretary Fisher had six to eight phone conversations with Lay and other Enron officials, including President Lawrence "Greg" Whalley in October and November.
Ultimately, Fisher decided nothing should be done for Enron because its collapse posed no "spillover" threats to U.S. capital markets, Davis said.
Meanwhile, the congressional probe into Enron deepened as a Senate investigatory panel issued 51 subpoenas for documents relating to the financial collapse of the company that was once the nation`s largest energy trader.
The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations issued the subpoenas to Enron, its auditor Andersen, and 49 individuals who worked for the Houston-based Enron dating back to January 1999. That list includes current and former members of Enron`s board and company officers.
Looking into limited partnerships
As for the Senate panel`s inquiry, no details on the kinds of documents sought were given. The return date on the subpoena is Jan. 31.
Andersen said Thursday that a "significant but undetermined number" of its Enron-related documents had been destroyed. See full story.
House investigators asked Andersen on Friday to turn over additional records Friday relating to the lost documents.
The Senate committee, chaired by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., formally launched its investigation into Enron on Jan. 2. It is one of several congressional committees probing Enron.
Levin`s committee is using its subpoena power in an attempt to uncover evidence about the internal dealings of Enron and its use of shadowy limited partnerships. It`s been alleged that the partnerships were used to keep billions of dollars off the company balance sheet.
Levin told reporters Friday in Detroit he found it "troubling" that Andersen had destroyed documents, Dow Jones reported.
He said the committee`s investigation wouldn`t be affected by the Justice Department`s newly announced criminal investigation.
The Justice Department is focusing on whether Enron executives committed financial fraud or violated insider-trading laws.
On Thursday, Attorney General John Ashcroft and his chief of staff removed themselves from any involvement in the investigation. Ashcroft received more than $50,000 in campaign contributions from Enron and Lay for his unsuccessful Senate re-election bid in 2000.
The Securities and Exchange Commission and the Labor Department are also conducting investigations.
In a related development, Bush said Thursday that the Treasury, Labor and Commerce departments are expected to convene a working group to examine whether pension laws should be amended to give workers better protection during bankruptcies.
Several Enron workers testified on Capitol Hill last month that their retirement savings were wiped out because the company blocked them from trading Enron stock in their retirement plans as the stock collapsed.
"At first blush, it looked like Enron operated within the rules and regulations that existed and still exist today with regards to how it manages its 401(k) plans," O`Neill told ABC`s "Good Morning America" Friday.
Rex Nutting is Washington bureau chief of CBS.MarketWatch.com.
Matt Andrejczak is a reporter for CBS.MarketWatch.com in Washington
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TG
Dieser Bericht hat nur indirekt mit Gold, und/oder Silber zutun. Ist jedoch zumindest ein weiteres signifikantes Indiz dafür, dass die Verantwortlichen in der *Privatbank* *FED*: Chairman Alan Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill, eben doch auch in Sachen Gold manipuliert haben könnten.
Dieser Personen sind alle sammt in der Klage von Howe/Gata, in der Goldpreis manipulatons Sache, mit angezeigt worden.
http://www.gata.org/howe_complaint.html
Einer von mehreren Hautangeklagten in diesem Prozess ist auch die Citibank *Citigroup*, als deren *chairman of the executive committee* Robert Rubin heute verantwortlich zeichnet.
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http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/
WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- Former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin called a top U.S. Treasury official in November, asking that the government intervene with credit agencies that were about to cut Enron`s debt ratings, the Treasury Department disclosed Friday.
Rubin is now chairman of the executive committee at Citigroup (C: news, chart, profile), which is Enron`s largest creditor to the tune of $3 billion, according to court documents in the collapsed energy trader`s bankruptcy case.
A Treasury spokeswoman, Michele Davis, said in a statement released late Friday that Undersecretary Peter Fisher turned down Rubin`s request to call the ratings agencies on behalf of Enron (ENE: news, chart, profile).
She said that on Nov. 8 Rubin asked him "what he thought of the idea of Fisher placing a call to rating agencies to encourage them to work with Enron`s bankers to see if there is an alternative to an immediate downgrade."
Rubin said he thought that was a reasonable position, according to Davis` statement.
Fisher was among several government officials contacted by Enron Chief Executive Kenneth Lay in October and November, just before his company filed for the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history. Rubin is a Democrat who served under President Bill Clinton.
Role in bailouts
In the late 1990s, Rubin and Fisher, who was a top Federal Reserve official at the time, participated in several high-profile financial rescue efforts, including an effort led by the New York Federal Reserve Bank to stabilize the Long-Term Capital Management hedge fund.
An Enron spokeswoman declined to comment on the Rubin revelation. Representatives of Citigroup weren`t immediately available for comment.
In the wake of Wednesday`s news that the Justice Department opened a criminal probe of the Enron matter, U.S. officials have acknowledged that Lay also called Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill and Commerce Secretary Don Evans.
None of the officials gave Enron any assistance in rescheduling its debts or in averting the ratings downgrades that led to the bankruptcy filing, they have said.
In televised interviews, O`Neill said Lay didn`t seek any bailout money. Evans` account, however, is that Lay did ask for help with the ratings agencies.
A Fed spokesman declined to characterize Greenspan`s conversation with Lay.
Lay, who has close ties to President Bush and other administration officials, was a top fund-raiser in Bush`s presidential campaign. He and has also contributed to many other Republicans` war chests, including Attorney General John Ashcroft, and he gave smaller amounts to some Democrats.
On Thursday, Bush vowed that his relationship with Lay wouldn`t interfere with a full federal investigation surrounding the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history. See full story.
Davis, the Treasury spokeswoman, said undersecretary Fisher had six to eight phone conversations with Lay and other Enron officials, including President Lawrence "Greg" Whalley in October and November.
Ultimately, Fisher decided nothing should be done for Enron because its collapse posed no "spillover" threats to U.S. capital markets, Davis said.
Meanwhile, the congressional probe into Enron deepened as a Senate investigatory panel issued 51 subpoenas for documents relating to the financial collapse of the company that was once the nation`s largest energy trader.
The Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations issued the subpoenas to Enron, its auditor Andersen, and 49 individuals who worked for the Houston-based Enron dating back to January 1999. That list includes current and former members of Enron`s board and company officers.
Looking into limited partnerships
As for the Senate panel`s inquiry, no details on the kinds of documents sought were given. The return date on the subpoena is Jan. 31.
Andersen said Thursday that a "significant but undetermined number" of its Enron-related documents had been destroyed. See full story.
House investigators asked Andersen on Friday to turn over additional records Friday relating to the lost documents.
The Senate committee, chaired by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., formally launched its investigation into Enron on Jan. 2. It is one of several congressional committees probing Enron.
Levin`s committee is using its subpoena power in an attempt to uncover evidence about the internal dealings of Enron and its use of shadowy limited partnerships. It`s been alleged that the partnerships were used to keep billions of dollars off the company balance sheet.
Levin told reporters Friday in Detroit he found it "troubling" that Andersen had destroyed documents, Dow Jones reported.
He said the committee`s investigation wouldn`t be affected by the Justice Department`s newly announced criminal investigation.
The Justice Department is focusing on whether Enron executives committed financial fraud or violated insider-trading laws.
On Thursday, Attorney General John Ashcroft and his chief of staff removed themselves from any involvement in the investigation. Ashcroft received more than $50,000 in campaign contributions from Enron and Lay for his unsuccessful Senate re-election bid in 2000.
The Securities and Exchange Commission and the Labor Department are also conducting investigations.
In a related development, Bush said Thursday that the Treasury, Labor and Commerce departments are expected to convene a working group to examine whether pension laws should be amended to give workers better protection during bankruptcies.
Several Enron workers testified on Capitol Hill last month that their retirement savings were wiped out because the company blocked them from trading Enron stock in their retirement plans as the stock collapsed.
"At first blush, it looked like Enron operated within the rules and regulations that existed and still exist today with regards to how it manages its 401(k) plans," O`Neill told ABC`s "Good Morning America" Friday.
Rex Nutting is Washington bureau chief of CBS.MarketWatch.com.
Matt Andrejczak is a reporter for CBS.MarketWatch.com in Washington
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TG
Darf ich fragen, wie Sie die Goldpreisentwicklung weiterhin
sehen ? Halte seit Oktober mehrere OS auf Gold und Silber. Bislang stand der Goldpreis ja immer so bei 275-277 $. Was
kann man hier erwarten ?
Danke
sehen ? Halte seit Oktober mehrere OS auf Gold und Silber. Bislang stand der Goldpreis ja immer so bei 275-277 $. Was
kann man hier erwarten ?
Danke
@capone
Lieber Capone Sie werden mit sehr sehr grosser Wahrscheinlichkeit dieses Jahr noch reicher werden mit Ihren Optionscheinen auf Gold und Silber.
Wie Reich sie noch werden, hängt einerseits davon ab was für welche OS Sie gekauft haben, und anderseits davon, was Ihre OS noch für eine Laufzeit haben.
Wir sehen zur Zeit leider immer noch keine echten Marktpreise für Gold und Silber.
Was wir aber sehen, ist die langsam einkehrende Einsicht, auch von weltbekannten, Wirtschaftsexperten und Presseleuten, dass die Edelmetallpreise Gold und Silber, eben noch nicht Angebot und Nachfrage wiederspiegeln.
Zeitungen, Fernsehen, Radio, etc. entdecken neu in Gold und Silber ein Thema, dass bis vor kurzem meistens totgeschwiegen wurde. Jetzt ist es auf einmal *in* darüber zu berichten. Alle Argumente die einem Schreiber noch vor kurzer Zeit, die Prädikate Spinner, Gold-, oder Weltverschwörungstheoretiker eingebracht haben, sind jetzt auf einmal Salonfähig geworden.
Darum und auch wegen vieler weiterer Gründe, die ich hier im Thread poste, wird Gold und auch in noch stärkeren Umfang
Silber, wegen seiner physischen Knappheit, weiter im Preis steigen.
Wo die Höchstpreise ende dieses Jahres stehen werden, kann ich nur erahnen, da spielen noch zu viele wenn, und aber mit. Doch eines glaube ich mit Sicherheit zu wissen!
Dass wir bedeutend höhere Gold und Silberpreise sehen werden.
100% Plus für Gold, und 200% Plus für Silber kommen meinen Gedanken da schon sehr nahe.
Ob die gemachten Aussagen von Hathaway im Forbes Investor Magazin zustreffen könnten:
"Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," he says calmly. "$2,500--maybe $5,000."
Darüber mache ich mir jetzt noch keine zu grossen Gedanken.
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Hier noch ein Link für an Optionen interessierte Anleger
http://quotes.ubs.com/quotes/X0=10/X1=s59a7PaXj4cg4pyKF-lXiS…
TR
Lieber Capone Sie werden mit sehr sehr grosser Wahrscheinlichkeit dieses Jahr noch reicher werden mit Ihren Optionscheinen auf Gold und Silber.
Wie Reich sie noch werden, hängt einerseits davon ab was für welche OS Sie gekauft haben, und anderseits davon, was Ihre OS noch für eine Laufzeit haben.
Wir sehen zur Zeit leider immer noch keine echten Marktpreise für Gold und Silber.
Was wir aber sehen, ist die langsam einkehrende Einsicht, auch von weltbekannten, Wirtschaftsexperten und Presseleuten, dass die Edelmetallpreise Gold und Silber, eben noch nicht Angebot und Nachfrage wiederspiegeln.
Zeitungen, Fernsehen, Radio, etc. entdecken neu in Gold und Silber ein Thema, dass bis vor kurzem meistens totgeschwiegen wurde. Jetzt ist es auf einmal *in* darüber zu berichten. Alle Argumente die einem Schreiber noch vor kurzer Zeit, die Prädikate Spinner, Gold-, oder Weltverschwörungstheoretiker eingebracht haben, sind jetzt auf einmal Salonfähig geworden.
Darum und auch wegen vieler weiterer Gründe, die ich hier im Thread poste, wird Gold und auch in noch stärkeren Umfang
Silber, wegen seiner physischen Knappheit, weiter im Preis steigen.
Wo die Höchstpreise ende dieses Jahres stehen werden, kann ich nur erahnen, da spielen noch zu viele wenn, und aber mit. Doch eines glaube ich mit Sicherheit zu wissen!
Dass wir bedeutend höhere Gold und Silberpreise sehen werden.
100% Plus für Gold, und 200% Plus für Silber kommen meinen Gedanken da schon sehr nahe.
Ob die gemachten Aussagen von Hathaway im Forbes Investor Magazin zustreffen könnten:
"Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," he says calmly. "$2,500--maybe $5,000."
Darüber mache ich mir jetzt noch keine zu grossen Gedanken.
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Hier noch ein Link für an Optionen interessierte Anleger
http://quotes.ubs.com/quotes/X0=10/X1=s59a7PaXj4cg4pyKF-lXiS…
TR
Wie Ihr wisst, bin ich ein Silberfan. An Gold glaube ich nur dann, wenn das ausgeliehene Gold nicht mehr verfügbar ist. Bei den billigen Leasrates wäre es nicht verwunderlich, wenn das Notenbankgold gar nicht mehr existiert und bei höheren Leasrates über den Markt beschafft werden müßte. Wenn das der Fall wäre, heißt es auch bei Gold anschnallen! Aber dennoch, ich setzte auf das beste (Silber) und nicht auf die Number 2.
So lange Gold nicht über 325 Dollar schließt, packe ich keine Goldaktie an, nachdem ich seit meinen Investitionen Anfang 2001 Kasse gemacht habe und in Silberminen umgestiegen bin. Aber nochmals, wenn Silber über 5 Dollar schließt, erleben wir bei allem, was mit Silber zu tun hat, ein Kursfeuerwerk, das nicht mehr so schnell verpufft.
Aus der gestrigen Ausgabe der thailändischen NATION!
Dieser *lokal* berühmte Sterndeuter sieht entweder alles viel klarer als wir, oder aber er leidet unter Alpträumen.
Der zweite Teil ist die deutsche Version des Artikels.
Die von einem sehr teuren Programm erfolgte Uebersetzung,
war so köstlich zu lesen, dass ich sie Euch nicht vorenthalten wollte.
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IT`S ALL WRITTEN IN THE STARS: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong - astrologist
Published on Jan 12, 2002
After predicting the September terrorist attacks on the United States last year, well-known Thai astrologer Sorasja Nualyu has consulted the heavens and come up with an even gloomier forecast for this year.
The following, reprinted from the January 8th edition of Thai Rath, are excerpts of his forecasts for each month of this year, the Year of the Horse. His tone is rather pessimistic, if not apocalyptic.
January
Thailand will be dragged into the war. Businesses and the financial sector will come under pressure. The economy will slump further with growing unemployment. The stock index will plunge sharply, while Thai financial institutions will remain in the doldrums.
The global economy will stay in a downturn, while the dollar will become highly volatile. At the end of this month, the Middle East will experience a fragile period.
February
More Thai financial institutions will become insolvent. The situation in the US will be in crisis again with another serious terrorist attack, while the country`s leaders will also be targets of attack.
March
Thai state enterprises will cause serious trouble to the government, leading to chaos.
The Thai baht will weaken to historic lows against the greenback, while the government will come under pressure to raise taxes. The stock index will fall sharply, while more financial institutions will go under.
The US will face domestic unrest, and there will be a troop movement from a remote country to the US.
April
Major accidents will occur throughout the month in all means of transport. There will be an earthquake, while the skyscrapers in Bangkok will collapse. The economy will continue to deteriorate and financial institutions face a serious deposit run. The government will do a big Cabinet reshuffle, while the stock index will stay sluggish.
May
The country will still face a number of pressures and unrest. The Thai stock index will plunge continually for the entire month. The world will lose key public figures this month, resulting in global uncertainty. Japan and the UK will face industrial crisis. There will be serious accidents in Europe.
June
There will be good news for Thailand with international agreements or activities. Stock markets will recover for a while. There will be social unrest during the second half of the month.
July
The country will be heading into a crisis and key Thai public figures will pass away.
There will be a big war resulting in an economic slump while a strange disease will attack children. With a crucial revolution, China will significantly devalue its yuan, leading to a contagion effect worldwide. There will be a number of accidents in sea transport.
August
This is the harshest month for Thais, with the deadliest natural disasters, particularly a big flood and earthquake.
Japan will be seriously under pressure over its economic conditions, while the US will face terrorist attacks in several states. Thais in the US will be in danger.
September
Thailand will be honoured with some appreciation by foreigners and the country will be fully supported by foreigners. However, there will be a serious accident.
The government will face serious economic problems with a spiralling fall in the stock index. People will face a liquidity shortage with inflationary pressure.
October
There will be a number of accidents in different kinds of transport. The stock market will plunge sharply.
The war in the Middle East will expand swiftly and is likely to trigger another world war.
November
The banking sector will be in a crisis, while the stock index will continue to fall. There will be fire explosions across the country. The global conflict might heighten the possibility of World War III.
December
People in uniform will play a dominant role. The country will be facing war, while economic conditions will stay in the doldrums.
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ES steht alles schon IN DEN STERNEN GESCHRIEBEN: Alles das falsch laufen kann, wird auch falsch laufen.
- astrologist
Veröffentlicht am 12. Jan, 2002
Zeichnen sich, der zum Schweigen bringt, den September terrorist Knoten auf den Photokopierenen lieferndem Jahr, bekannter Thai Astrologen Sorasja Nualyu Minute die Himmel aus und blinzeln auf mit ein sprengendes düsterer, wenn für Jahr denken.
Der Stützen, neu gedruckt abwickeln 8th Ausgabe von Thai Rath, Organisierung von vom Januar ist, wenn für jeden Monat von Jahr denken, das Jahr vom Pferd. Wickeln Ton ist ziemlich entwicklungs, wenn nicht wissenschaftler ab.
Januar
Thailand wird verschüttet werden in den Krieg. Neigen und der finanzielle Sektor werden blinzeln unter Wiedereingabe. Die Wirtschaft wird schleudern mit Schnellen von Unhöflichkeit eingibt. Der Aktie Machen wird versuchen scharf, während Thai finanzielle Institutionen in der * werden mitarbeiten.
Die globale Wirtschaft wird kerben in einem Rückgang ein, während der Dollar sehr flüchtig wird werden. Am Klopfen denken von Monat, der Lehrend Entscheiden eine zerbrechliche Periode wird dulden.
Februar
Schwächend Thai finanzielle Institutionen werden werden zahlungsunfähig. Die Lage im, das UNS werden sein in Krise wieder mit terrorist Knoten polymerisieren verstädtern, während die Leiter des Landes auch Terminale des Knotens werden sein.
Sondern Sie ab
Thai werden übertreiben verputzende Unternehmen Extrakt zur Regierung, Reinigen zu Chaos polymerisieren.
Der Thai baht wird garantieren zu historisch niedrig gegen den greenback, während die Regierung unter Wiedereingabe wird blinzeln, Optimieren zu symbolisieren. Der Aktie Machen wird steuern scharf, während finanzielle Institutionen schwächen, unter werden ratinieren.
Das, das UNS werden läuten InnenUnruhen, und dort eine Truppe Bewegung von einem entfernten Land zum UNS wird sein.
April
Telexunfälle werden verdunkeln in Schaffen der Umgehung durch den Monat wieder eintragen. Dort wird sein ein Erdbeben, während der skyscrapers in Bangkok wird aktivieren. Die Wirtschaft wird drücken aus zu entschädigen und finanzielle Institutionen läuten einen polymerisierenden Zaun Riß. Die Regierung freigibt ein großes ************ wird geben frei, während der Aktie Machen träge wird einkerben.
Reflexive Form
Das Land photographieren einen Auspressen von Wiedereingabe und Unruhen wird läuten. Der Thai Aktie Machen wird versuchen dauernd für den ganzen Monat. Die Welt wird fächeln gestalten kreditierende Zurückführen Monat denken, in globaler Ungewißheit entschädigend. Japan und der Vereinigtes Königreich werden läuten industrielle Krise. Dort wird sein Unfälle in Europa polymerisieren.
Juni
Dort wird sein gute Stöcke für Thailand mit wiederholbarkeiten Abkommen oder Tätigkeiten. Aktie Rutschen werden mißbilligen für ein während. Dort wird sein sozial Unruhen während des montierenden Fehldrucks des Monats.
Juli
Das Land wird sein heading in eine Krise und gestaltend Thai kreditierende Zurückführen werden glauben weg.
Dort wird sein ein großer Krieg, der in einer konzentrationen Schlinge entschädigt, während eine fremde Krankheit Kinder wird verknoten. Mit einer kritischen Revolution, macht China vertraut bedeutenden abwerten sein yuan, der zu einer Ansteckung reinigt, weltweit redigiert. Dort wird sein ein Auspressen der Unfälle in See Umgehung.
August
Der härteste Monat für Thais denken, mit den tödlichsten natürlichen Katastrophen, besonders ein großer Blitz und Erdbeben ist.
Japan wird sein ernstlich unter Wiedereingabe über seinen konzentrationen Mißbräuchen, während das, das UNS terrorist Knoten in mehreren Mörteln werden läuten. Thais im, das UNS in Gefahr werden sein.
September
Thailand sogar mit einiger Schätzung durch Ausländer und das Land wird geknospt werden völlig von Ausländern. Durchstechen, wird sein dort ein polymerisierender Unfall.
Die Regierung wird läuten polymerisieren konzentratione Probleme mit einer spiralling Steuerung im Aktie Machen. Leute werden läuten einen Liquidität Mangel mit inflationär Wiedereingabe.
Oktober
Dort wird sein ein Auspressen der Unfälle in verschiedenen Auslöschenn der Umgehung. Der Aktie Rutschen wird versuchen scharf.
Der Krieg im Lehrenden Entscheidenden Mann rasch und künstlichkeit ist, zu analysieren, Welt Krieg verstädtern.
November
Der Bankwesen Sektor wird sein in einer Krise, während der Aktie Machen wird ausdrücken, zu steuern. Dort wird sein Ente Explosionen über das Land. Die globale Zuflucht dürfte verurteilen die Möglichkeit von Welt Krieg III.
Dezember
Leute werden buchstabieren in Anfang falsch eine potentiometere Rolle. Das Land wird läuten Krieg, während konzentratione Mißbräuche in der * werden einkerben.
© 2000 Nationen Multimedia Strecken
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TG
Dieser *lokal* berühmte Sterndeuter sieht entweder alles viel klarer als wir, oder aber er leidet unter Alpträumen.
Der zweite Teil ist die deutsche Version des Artikels.
Die von einem sehr teuren Programm erfolgte Uebersetzung,
war so köstlich zu lesen, dass ich sie Euch nicht vorenthalten wollte.
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IT`S ALL WRITTEN IN THE STARS: Everything that can go wrong will go wrong - astrologist
Published on Jan 12, 2002
After predicting the September terrorist attacks on the United States last year, well-known Thai astrologer Sorasja Nualyu has consulted the heavens and come up with an even gloomier forecast for this year.
The following, reprinted from the January 8th edition of Thai Rath, are excerpts of his forecasts for each month of this year, the Year of the Horse. His tone is rather pessimistic, if not apocalyptic.
January
Thailand will be dragged into the war. Businesses and the financial sector will come under pressure. The economy will slump further with growing unemployment. The stock index will plunge sharply, while Thai financial institutions will remain in the doldrums.
The global economy will stay in a downturn, while the dollar will become highly volatile. At the end of this month, the Middle East will experience a fragile period.
February
More Thai financial institutions will become insolvent. The situation in the US will be in crisis again with another serious terrorist attack, while the country`s leaders will also be targets of attack.
March
Thai state enterprises will cause serious trouble to the government, leading to chaos.
The Thai baht will weaken to historic lows against the greenback, while the government will come under pressure to raise taxes. The stock index will fall sharply, while more financial institutions will go under.
The US will face domestic unrest, and there will be a troop movement from a remote country to the US.
April
Major accidents will occur throughout the month in all means of transport. There will be an earthquake, while the skyscrapers in Bangkok will collapse. The economy will continue to deteriorate and financial institutions face a serious deposit run. The government will do a big Cabinet reshuffle, while the stock index will stay sluggish.
May
The country will still face a number of pressures and unrest. The Thai stock index will plunge continually for the entire month. The world will lose key public figures this month, resulting in global uncertainty. Japan and the UK will face industrial crisis. There will be serious accidents in Europe.
June
There will be good news for Thailand with international agreements or activities. Stock markets will recover for a while. There will be social unrest during the second half of the month.
July
The country will be heading into a crisis and key Thai public figures will pass away.
There will be a big war resulting in an economic slump while a strange disease will attack children. With a crucial revolution, China will significantly devalue its yuan, leading to a contagion effect worldwide. There will be a number of accidents in sea transport.
August
This is the harshest month for Thais, with the deadliest natural disasters, particularly a big flood and earthquake.
Japan will be seriously under pressure over its economic conditions, while the US will face terrorist attacks in several states. Thais in the US will be in danger.
September
Thailand will be honoured with some appreciation by foreigners and the country will be fully supported by foreigners. However, there will be a serious accident.
The government will face serious economic problems with a spiralling fall in the stock index. People will face a liquidity shortage with inflationary pressure.
October
There will be a number of accidents in different kinds of transport. The stock market will plunge sharply.
The war in the Middle East will expand swiftly and is likely to trigger another world war.
November
The banking sector will be in a crisis, while the stock index will continue to fall. There will be fire explosions across the country. The global conflict might heighten the possibility of World War III.
December
People in uniform will play a dominant role. The country will be facing war, while economic conditions will stay in the doldrums.
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ES steht alles schon IN DEN STERNEN GESCHRIEBEN: Alles das falsch laufen kann, wird auch falsch laufen.
- astrologist
Veröffentlicht am 12. Jan, 2002
Zeichnen sich, der zum Schweigen bringt, den September terrorist Knoten auf den Photokopierenen lieferndem Jahr, bekannter Thai Astrologen Sorasja Nualyu Minute die Himmel aus und blinzeln auf mit ein sprengendes düsterer, wenn für Jahr denken.
Der Stützen, neu gedruckt abwickeln 8th Ausgabe von Thai Rath, Organisierung von vom Januar ist, wenn für jeden Monat von Jahr denken, das Jahr vom Pferd. Wickeln Ton ist ziemlich entwicklungs, wenn nicht wissenschaftler ab.
Januar
Thailand wird verschüttet werden in den Krieg. Neigen und der finanzielle Sektor werden blinzeln unter Wiedereingabe. Die Wirtschaft wird schleudern mit Schnellen von Unhöflichkeit eingibt. Der Aktie Machen wird versuchen scharf, während Thai finanzielle Institutionen in der * werden mitarbeiten.
Die globale Wirtschaft wird kerben in einem Rückgang ein, während der Dollar sehr flüchtig wird werden. Am Klopfen denken von Monat, der Lehrend Entscheiden eine zerbrechliche Periode wird dulden.
Februar
Schwächend Thai finanzielle Institutionen werden werden zahlungsunfähig. Die Lage im, das UNS werden sein in Krise wieder mit terrorist Knoten polymerisieren verstädtern, während die Leiter des Landes auch Terminale des Knotens werden sein.
Sondern Sie ab
Thai werden übertreiben verputzende Unternehmen Extrakt zur Regierung, Reinigen zu Chaos polymerisieren.
Der Thai baht wird garantieren zu historisch niedrig gegen den greenback, während die Regierung unter Wiedereingabe wird blinzeln, Optimieren zu symbolisieren. Der Aktie Machen wird steuern scharf, während finanzielle Institutionen schwächen, unter werden ratinieren.
Das, das UNS werden läuten InnenUnruhen, und dort eine Truppe Bewegung von einem entfernten Land zum UNS wird sein.
April
Telexunfälle werden verdunkeln in Schaffen der Umgehung durch den Monat wieder eintragen. Dort wird sein ein Erdbeben, während der skyscrapers in Bangkok wird aktivieren. Die Wirtschaft wird drücken aus zu entschädigen und finanzielle Institutionen läuten einen polymerisierenden Zaun Riß. Die Regierung freigibt ein großes ************ wird geben frei, während der Aktie Machen träge wird einkerben.
Reflexive Form
Das Land photographieren einen Auspressen von Wiedereingabe und Unruhen wird läuten. Der Thai Aktie Machen wird versuchen dauernd für den ganzen Monat. Die Welt wird fächeln gestalten kreditierende Zurückführen Monat denken, in globaler Ungewißheit entschädigend. Japan und der Vereinigtes Königreich werden läuten industrielle Krise. Dort wird sein Unfälle in Europa polymerisieren.
Juni
Dort wird sein gute Stöcke für Thailand mit wiederholbarkeiten Abkommen oder Tätigkeiten. Aktie Rutschen werden mißbilligen für ein während. Dort wird sein sozial Unruhen während des montierenden Fehldrucks des Monats.
Juli
Das Land wird sein heading in eine Krise und gestaltend Thai kreditierende Zurückführen werden glauben weg.
Dort wird sein ein großer Krieg, der in einer konzentrationen Schlinge entschädigt, während eine fremde Krankheit Kinder wird verknoten. Mit einer kritischen Revolution, macht China vertraut bedeutenden abwerten sein yuan, der zu einer Ansteckung reinigt, weltweit redigiert. Dort wird sein ein Auspressen der Unfälle in See Umgehung.
August
Der härteste Monat für Thais denken, mit den tödlichsten natürlichen Katastrophen, besonders ein großer Blitz und Erdbeben ist.
Japan wird sein ernstlich unter Wiedereingabe über seinen konzentrationen Mißbräuchen, während das, das UNS terrorist Knoten in mehreren Mörteln werden läuten. Thais im, das UNS in Gefahr werden sein.
September
Thailand sogar mit einiger Schätzung durch Ausländer und das Land wird geknospt werden völlig von Ausländern. Durchstechen, wird sein dort ein polymerisierender Unfall.
Die Regierung wird läuten polymerisieren konzentratione Probleme mit einer spiralling Steuerung im Aktie Machen. Leute werden läuten einen Liquidität Mangel mit inflationär Wiedereingabe.
Oktober
Dort wird sein ein Auspressen der Unfälle in verschiedenen Auslöschenn der Umgehung. Der Aktie Rutschen wird versuchen scharf.
Der Krieg im Lehrenden Entscheidenden Mann rasch und künstlichkeit ist, zu analysieren, Welt Krieg verstädtern.
November
Der Bankwesen Sektor wird sein in einer Krise, während der Aktie Machen wird ausdrücken, zu steuern. Dort wird sein Ente Explosionen über das Land. Die globale Zuflucht dürfte verurteilen die Möglichkeit von Welt Krieg III.
Dezember
Leute werden buchstabieren in Anfang falsch eine potentiometere Rolle. Das Land wird läuten Krieg, während konzentratione Mißbräuche in der * werden einkerben.
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TG
Scheint ja wohl der richtige Ort im neuen Jahr für einen gemütlichen Urlaub.
Werde dann mal einen Put auf alle Indizes kaufen bevor der Aktien rutschen wird sehr stark.
Von der Knospe Gold schreibt er ja leider nicht!
J2
Werde dann mal einen Put auf alle Indizes kaufen bevor der Aktien rutschen wird sehr stark.
Von der Knospe Gold schreibt er ja leider nicht!
J2
Wenn in sich ein nuklear krieg zwischen Indien und Pakistan zum nuklear Schlag kommt könnt ihr drauf gefasst sein das der Gold Preis sinkt denn Indien und Pakistan sind die weld weit größten Gold Abnehmer Selbst die ärmsten der armen kaufen Gold und das bei einen über 1 mil Volk.
Dieser Beitrag stammt aus dem USA Gold Forum, und ist ein gekürzter Auszug.
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Gold Market Brief (1/14/02). . . . . . .Gold was softer overnight in Europe and this morning in New York on the dual influence of the Monday Effect (usually dull and down) and the upcoming Bank of England auction -- the penultimate in the series. Reuters reports traders as saying this morning that "Gold`s near-term trend remained bullish and price dips at present should be seen as corrective. . .the market needed more consolidation at present levels before considering sustained moves to the upside." Gold rallied almost $10 last week reacting positively to host of bad news for the economy and financial markets including Argentina`s default and devaluation, the on-going Enron debacle, rising tensions between India and Pakistan, deterioration in the Japanese economy and banking sector and the positive reverberations from Newmont`s bid to obtain both Australia`s Normandy Mining and Canada`s Franco Nevada. Above and beyond those developments, investors` concern about the safety of their savings and retirements in the wake of events in Argentina, Japan and the United States fed the growing move to gold coin acquisitions, particularly in the United States and Japan. The details are covered below.
Short & Sweet. . . . . . . . . . . . . .AP reports "President Eduardo Duhalde said on Sunday that a banking freeze blocking Argentines` access to their savings must remain intact to protect the weakened banking system. Argentines have grown increasingly impatient for Duhalde`s government, which took office Jan. 2, to let them withdraw their money, staging repeated, often-violent protests against the freeze. "The banking freeze is like a time bomb,`` Duhalde said. ``If it explodes, everyone will lose their deposits and the whole ( banking ) system will collapse." Comment: I could not have created a piece of fiction to illustrate the reasons for gold ownership more compelling than the unfolding real-life, real-time story in Argentina . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .We have complained off and on for years here that the price of gold has been managed with only a small amount of actual gold changing hands -- the process actually kept in motion through the use of cheap paper, mostly options. To us it seemed the height of both folly and injustice that a small group could control the price of a commodity for their own purposes at pennies on the dollar without the regulatory authorities so much as lifting a finger to stop it. Now in a situation involving the Enron collapse, we see illustrated for the first time some of the ramifications of this type of favored treatment. Excess, it would seem, does have its comeuppance. . . . . . . Insurance companies that had underwritten Enron bonds held by some of the big banks have recently gone to court to keep the banks (including Chase) from collecting. According to Platt`s Oilgram, the insurances companies say "they were lied to by Enron and Chase, claiming the would-be commodity deals were really a sham to obscure $2 billion of unsecured loans. If they had known that, the insurers claim in court filings, they would never have written the bonds, on which about $1 billion of obligations were still out when Enron went bust. As seeming proof of the sham nature of the deals, insurers claim, no molecules have ever actually been exchanged between Enron and Chase under the sales. No transportation capacity has ever been booked and no contracts have been signed to either buy gas from suppliers or to sell it to end users. All the monthly settlements were apparently done in cash, or other non-physical terms, akin to a fixed loan payment schedule." The article goes on to say that "Liberty Mutual, for instance, claims Chase`s [off-shore trading arm] Mahonia knew in advance Enron had no intention of actually delivering oil and gas under the agreement, and had no intention of forcing Enron to perform.". . . . . . . . . . . . . Interesting, not a molecule of oil or natural gas actually changed hands! The Molecular Legal Standard? . . . . . . . . . . . The same Platt`s Oilgram article raises another, perhaps even more germaine issue to gold owners: ". . .big financial players in those markets may find it tougher to buy the amounts of counter-party risk insurance needed to avoid having to allocate their own scarce capital to such OTC deals." . . . . . . . Ed. Note: Subtly, this may be behind some of the short-covering in gold and other metals over the past two weeks. The insurance companies are already in state of nervous confusion and disarray in the wake of the enormous claims stemming from the Twin Towers collapse. They may decide to cut back on, or even eliminate, counter-party risk insurance for bank trading departments. If they do remove the safety net, how far are the banks willing to go to keep some of their massive derivative positions in place? What will be eliminated in a cut-back to keep the trading book within the confines of their insurance coverage?. . . . . . . . . The South China Post reported over the weekend that "Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has raised the spectre of a regionwide slide in currency values if a further weakening of the Japanese yen forces China to devalue the yuan. `If [the yen] goes down, I`m worried because it may cause China to devalue, and if China devalues then of course it will force us to rethink our . . . peg,` Dr Mahathir told reporters yesterday. The comments represent the bluntest expression of concern to date from a regional leader about the possible consequences of a continued steep fall in the Japanese currency." . . . . . . . . . If this sounds familiar, it should. This is the way the Asian Contagion started in late 1996, early 1997. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," says DeTocqueville Fund`s John Hathway in a recent Forbes magazine article, "$2,500--maybe $5,000.". . . . . . . . . A London analyst recently quoted in a Reuters article frames the developing situation in the gold lending industry (a very bullish assessment)
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Gold Market Brief (1/14/02). . . . . . .Gold was softer overnight in Europe and this morning in New York on the dual influence of the Monday Effect (usually dull and down) and the upcoming Bank of England auction -- the penultimate in the series. Reuters reports traders as saying this morning that "Gold`s near-term trend remained bullish and price dips at present should be seen as corrective. . .the market needed more consolidation at present levels before considering sustained moves to the upside." Gold rallied almost $10 last week reacting positively to host of bad news for the economy and financial markets including Argentina`s default and devaluation, the on-going Enron debacle, rising tensions between India and Pakistan, deterioration in the Japanese economy and banking sector and the positive reverberations from Newmont`s bid to obtain both Australia`s Normandy Mining and Canada`s Franco Nevada. Above and beyond those developments, investors` concern about the safety of their savings and retirements in the wake of events in Argentina, Japan and the United States fed the growing move to gold coin acquisitions, particularly in the United States and Japan. The details are covered below.
Short & Sweet. . . . . . . . . . . . . .AP reports "President Eduardo Duhalde said on Sunday that a banking freeze blocking Argentines` access to their savings must remain intact to protect the weakened banking system. Argentines have grown increasingly impatient for Duhalde`s government, which took office Jan. 2, to let them withdraw their money, staging repeated, often-violent protests against the freeze. "The banking freeze is like a time bomb,`` Duhalde said. ``If it explodes, everyone will lose their deposits and the whole ( banking ) system will collapse." Comment: I could not have created a piece of fiction to illustrate the reasons for gold ownership more compelling than the unfolding real-life, real-time story in Argentina . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .We have complained off and on for years here that the price of gold has been managed with only a small amount of actual gold changing hands -- the process actually kept in motion through the use of cheap paper, mostly options. To us it seemed the height of both folly and injustice that a small group could control the price of a commodity for their own purposes at pennies on the dollar without the regulatory authorities so much as lifting a finger to stop it. Now in a situation involving the Enron collapse, we see illustrated for the first time some of the ramifications of this type of favored treatment. Excess, it would seem, does have its comeuppance. . . . . . . Insurance companies that had underwritten Enron bonds held by some of the big banks have recently gone to court to keep the banks (including Chase) from collecting. According to Platt`s Oilgram, the insurances companies say "they were lied to by Enron and Chase, claiming the would-be commodity deals were really a sham to obscure $2 billion of unsecured loans. If they had known that, the insurers claim in court filings, they would never have written the bonds, on which about $1 billion of obligations were still out when Enron went bust. As seeming proof of the sham nature of the deals, insurers claim, no molecules have ever actually been exchanged between Enron and Chase under the sales. No transportation capacity has ever been booked and no contracts have been signed to either buy gas from suppliers or to sell it to end users. All the monthly settlements were apparently done in cash, or other non-physical terms, akin to a fixed loan payment schedule." The article goes on to say that "Liberty Mutual, for instance, claims Chase`s [off-shore trading arm] Mahonia knew in advance Enron had no intention of actually delivering oil and gas under the agreement, and had no intention of forcing Enron to perform.". . . . . . . . . . . . . Interesting, not a molecule of oil or natural gas actually changed hands! The Molecular Legal Standard? . . . . . . . . . . . The same Platt`s Oilgram article raises another, perhaps even more germaine issue to gold owners: ". . .big financial players in those markets may find it tougher to buy the amounts of counter-party risk insurance needed to avoid having to allocate their own scarce capital to such OTC deals." . . . . . . . Ed. Note: Subtly, this may be behind some of the short-covering in gold and other metals over the past two weeks. The insurance companies are already in state of nervous confusion and disarray in the wake of the enormous claims stemming from the Twin Towers collapse. They may decide to cut back on, or even eliminate, counter-party risk insurance for bank trading departments. If they do remove the safety net, how far are the banks willing to go to keep some of their massive derivative positions in place? What will be eliminated in a cut-back to keep the trading book within the confines of their insurance coverage?. . . . . . . . . The South China Post reported over the weekend that "Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has raised the spectre of a regionwide slide in currency values if a further weakening of the Japanese yen forces China to devalue the yuan. `If [the yen] goes down, I`m worried because it may cause China to devalue, and if China devalues then of course it will force us to rethink our . . . peg,` Dr Mahathir told reporters yesterday. The comments represent the bluntest expression of concern to date from a regional leader about the possible consequences of a continued steep fall in the Japanese currency." . . . . . . . . . If this sounds familiar, it should. This is the way the Asian Contagion started in late 1996, early 1997. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ."Eventually, gold will be a multiple of its current price," says DeTocqueville Fund`s John Hathway in a recent Forbes magazine article, "$2,500--maybe $5,000.". . . . . . . . . A London analyst recently quoted in a Reuters article frames the developing situation in the gold lending industry (a very bullish assessment)
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Die Aktie "Rutschen" kenne ich überhaupt nicht...? 
Kann man die nur über NYSE ordern?
Aber die Wirtschaft wird kerben, das ist sicher!
Bin schon dabei, abzusondern.
bitterblue
Kann man die nur über NYSE ordern? Aber die Wirtschaft wird kerben, das ist sicher!
Bin schon dabei, abzusondern.
bitterblue
Die Aussage eines Mannes der eigentlich wissen muss wovon er spricht!
Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill in Japan
"Returning Japan to robust and durable growth is of the utmost importance to Japan, to the United States and to the world," he said.
Auf deutsch übersetzt heisst das wörtlich:
Japan muss zu einem robusten und dauerhaften Wachstum zurückkehren. Das ist von äusserster Wichtigkeit für Japan, die vereinigten Staaten von Amerika, und für die ganze Welt.
Uebersetzung frei nach ThaiGuru:
Falls Japan den Weg aus der Wirtschafts und Finanzkrise nicht bald schaffen sollte, steht die USA, und mit ihr die ganze Welt, einer Wirtschafts- und Finanzkatastrophe gegenüber!
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O`Neill urges real Japan reform,not quick yen fix
TOKYO Ð Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill yesterday stepped up US calls for Japan to take decisive action to deal with its severe economic woes and said a cheaper Japanese currency was no way to produce sustained growth.
"The straight fact is this: exchange rates cannot improve productivity or fix non-performing loans," O`Neill said in a strongly worded address to the National Press Center in Tokyo.
O`Neill repeated US support for efforts by Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to pursue structural reform.
The US Treasury chief said he did not believe that deliberately cheapening the yen was part of Japan`s reform agenda but added a stiff warning that it would not work in any event.
"The weight of historical evidence shows that those who have tried to fix underlying economic problems with protectionist measures Ð and I count artificially depreciating the currency as one of those Ð actually weaken their own economy," O`Neill said.
The decade-long slump in performance by the world`s second largest economy has fuelled concern that Japan`s failure to tackle fundamental problems like bad bank loans could pose a risk of meltdown that would harm the global economy.
O`Neill referred obliquely to those worries, saying that some observers "have given up hope that Japan can again be an engine for world growth and prosperity".
He said financial markets were closely watching for signs that Japan will take "decisive actions" to cope with its economic problems and said that it was vital that it do so.
O`Neill`s remarks indicated not just concern, but some impatience that Japan`s failure to come to grips with a potential banking crisis and other issues meant it was failing in its responsibility to be an engine of global growth.
"Returning Japan to robust and durable growth is of the utmost importance to Japan, to the United States and to the world," he said.
O`Neill came to Tokyo last Sunday, participating in a donor`s conference for aid to Afghanistan as well as meeting a series of Japanese officials. Ð Reuters
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TG
Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill in Japan
"Returning Japan to robust and durable growth is of the utmost importance to Japan, to the United States and to the world," he said.
Auf deutsch übersetzt heisst das wörtlich:
Japan muss zu einem robusten und dauerhaften Wachstum zurückkehren. Das ist von äusserster Wichtigkeit für Japan, die vereinigten Staaten von Amerika, und für die ganze Welt.
Uebersetzung frei nach ThaiGuru:
Falls Japan den Weg aus der Wirtschafts und Finanzkrise nicht bald schaffen sollte, steht die USA, und mit ihr die ganze Welt, einer Wirtschafts- und Finanzkatastrophe gegenüber!
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O`Neill urges real Japan reform,not quick yen fix
TOKYO Ð Treasury Secretary Paul O`Neill yesterday stepped up US calls for Japan to take decisive action to deal with its severe economic woes and said a cheaper Japanese currency was no way to produce sustained growth.
"The straight fact is this: exchange rates cannot improve productivity or fix non-performing loans," O`Neill said in a strongly worded address to the National Press Center in Tokyo.
O`Neill repeated US support for efforts by Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to pursue structural reform.
The US Treasury chief said he did not believe that deliberately cheapening the yen was part of Japan`s reform agenda but added a stiff warning that it would not work in any event.
"The weight of historical evidence shows that those who have tried to fix underlying economic problems with protectionist measures Ð and I count artificially depreciating the currency as one of those Ð actually weaken their own economy," O`Neill said.
The decade-long slump in performance by the world`s second largest economy has fuelled concern that Japan`s failure to tackle fundamental problems like bad bank loans could pose a risk of meltdown that would harm the global economy.
O`Neill referred obliquely to those worries, saying that some observers "have given up hope that Japan can again be an engine for world growth and prosperity".
He said financial markets were closely watching for signs that Japan will take "decisive actions" to cope with its economic problems and said that it was vital that it do so.
O`Neill`s remarks indicated not just concern, but some impatience that Japan`s failure to come to grips with a potential banking crisis and other issues meant it was failing in its responsibility to be an engine of global growth.
"Returning Japan to robust and durable growth is of the utmost importance to Japan, to the United States and to the world," he said.
O`Neill came to Tokyo last Sunday, participating in a donor`s conference for aid to Afghanistan as well as meeting a series of Japanese officials. Ð Reuters
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TG
Ob dieses Posting wohl der Wahrheit entspicht?
Dieses Posting eines amerikanischen Goldboard Besuchers von heute, über die Praktiken der Finanzinstitute im Gold- und Silber- Verleihgeschäft ist ja schon spannend zu lesen.
Nach diesem Artikel bin ich beruhigt, und weiss wenigstens wo die Verkäufer von Gold und Silber ihre Ware immer wieder herkriegen!
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Christian (1/23/02; 06:59:39MT - usagold.com msg#: 68688)
Leasing or Fleecing
Silver or gold loans are always rolled over thus creating new loans, there is a cumulative effort to these loans. They just keep growing, however only the lease (interest) must be paid in metal form. The difference between metal loans and other types of loans is the return part. The collateral of a metal loan, the metal itself is sold back to the original owner who can do the same thing again with the very same metal. Fractional reserve banking at its best. Just like printing $1,000 at a cost of $2.50. Our public owned verifiable inventory is gone but the non-verifiable private inventory remains intact. The USA is being invaded and we don`t even know who the enemy is. BOE practices the same fractional reserve system with its gold, just like with its fiat paper. Popular delusions pepper human affairs both past and present. Nowhere is such folly so sprinkled as in the matter of money and the nature and consequence of credit..............Our Fed is a sovereign power structure, based on the Canon Law Trust and Joint Stock Trust, seperate from the so called elected (purchased) government. Assets of debtors are hypothecated (pledged) as security without taking possession. Our elected (purchased) representatives have assigned the private property of their economic slaves (we the people) as collateral against an unpayable federal debt which cost them $2.50 per $1000 to create. Have mercy on our souls.
Centennial Precious Metals, Inc. / USAGOLD (1/23/02; 04:42:10MT - usagold.com msg#: 68687)
Dieses Posting eines amerikanischen Goldboard Besuchers von heute, über die Praktiken der Finanzinstitute im Gold- und Silber- Verleihgeschäft ist ja schon spannend zu lesen.
Nach diesem Artikel bin ich beruhigt, und weiss wenigstens wo die Verkäufer von Gold und Silber ihre Ware immer wieder herkriegen!
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Christian (1/23/02; 06:59:39MT - usagold.com msg#: 68688)
Leasing or Fleecing
Silver or gold loans are always rolled over thus creating new loans, there is a cumulative effort to these loans. They just keep growing, however only the lease (interest) must be paid in metal form. The difference between metal loans and other types of loans is the return part. The collateral of a metal loan, the metal itself is sold back to the original owner who can do the same thing again with the very same metal. Fractional reserve banking at its best. Just like printing $1,000 at a cost of $2.50. Our public owned verifiable inventory is gone but the non-verifiable private inventory remains intact. The USA is being invaded and we don`t even know who the enemy is. BOE practices the same fractional reserve system with its gold, just like with its fiat paper. Popular delusions pepper human affairs both past and present. Nowhere is such folly so sprinkled as in the matter of money and the nature and consequence of credit..............Our Fed is a sovereign power structure, based on the Canon Law Trust and Joint Stock Trust, seperate from the so called elected (purchased) government. Assets of debtors are hypothecated (pledged) as security without taking possession. Our elected (purchased) representatives have assigned the private property of their economic slaves (we the people) as collateral against an unpayable federal debt which cost them $2.50 per $1000 to create. Have mercy on our souls.
Centennial Precious Metals, Inc. / USAGOLD (1/23/02; 04:42:10MT - usagold.com msg#: 68687)
Wednesday January 23 7:23 PM ET
Palestinian Militants Threaten War
By MARK LAVIE, Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM (AP) - Islamic militants threatened ``all-out war`` Wednesday to avenge the killing of a Hamas commander in the West Bank, and Yasser Arafat`s Palestinian Authority said it can no longer be expected to enforce a truce with Israel.
With tensions and violence rising, the U.S. ambassador to Israel called on Israelis and Palestinians to urge their governments to work for peace.
Palestinian militants and mainstream activists marched together in a funeral procession in Nablus, burying the dead from Israel`s raid on a bomb factory a day earlier. Four Hamas activists were killed, including West Bank militant leader Yousef Soragji, 42, mastermind of several suicide bombings.
The Israeli army commander in the West Bank said it was the biggest bomb factory ever uncovered, and the military displayed the range of explosives and timing devices found in the Nablus apartment.
More than 15,000 people marched in the funeral, led by activists from Hamas and the Al Aqsa Brigades, a militia linked to Arafat`s Fatah movement.
Hamas pledged an ``all-out war`` against Israel in retaliation, and Palestinian Cabinet secretary Ahmed Abdel Rahman said the Palestinian Authority could not enforce a cease-fire under the circumstances.
``The Israeli guns are being pointed to our heads,`` he told The Associated Press. ``We are not able to implement any of our commitments.``
On Tuesday, a Palestinian linked to Arafat`s Fatah movement opened fire in downtown Jerusalem, killing two women and wounding 14 other people. Abdel Rahman said the Palestinian Authority opposes attacks on civilians, but charged that Israel was responsible for the deterioration.
A lull of several weeks in the 16 months of violence ended after last week`s killing - widely attributed to Israel - of militia leader Raed Karmi in the West Bank town of Tulkarem. Palestinians have carried out a string of retaliatory attacks against Israeli civilians, bringing on more countermeasures.
On Wednesday, Israeli tanks remained parked about 70 yards from Arafat`s West Bank headquarters in the town of Ramallah, the most visible of the measures Israel has taken.
Also Wednesday, Israeli bulldozers demolished two Palestinian houses on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Israeli officials said they were built without permits.
In a public appeal, U.S. Ambassador Daniel Kurtzer called on Israelis and Palestinians to press their governments to work for peace.
``They need to hear from you that you want peace, that you want reconciliation, that you want reasonable compromise,`` Kurtzer said at Givat Haviva, an Israeli institution that sponsors Jewish-Arab programs.
Kurtzer recalled that his generation stormed American university offices to force change. ``I don`t recommend that,`` he said, but added that Israelis and Palestinians should take actions that ``will be persuasive to the two governments involved that the people have had enough and they want to move forward.``
The resumption of violence appears to have caused the cancellation of a third trip to the region by U.S. envoy Anthony Zinni, who had been expected last week.
In a phone call Wednesday, Arafat asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to send Zinni back to the region. However, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said there are no such plans. Palestinian officials said it was the first such phone call in 15 days.
In Paris, another effort to restore calm got under way as Israeli Parliament Speaker Avraham Burg met with his Palestinian counterpart Ahmed Qureia and pledged to travel to Ramallah to address the legislature there at an undetermined date.
Addressing the French parliament, the two raised their clasped hands and earned a standing ovation.
Burg, who is from the moderate Labor Party, charged that Sharon`s aim is the ``destruction of the Palestinian Authority and reoccupation of the cities of the West Bank,`` which were handed to the Palestinian Authority in the 1990s.
Sharon has cut off political contacts with Palestinian officials because of the violence, and his government several weeks ago torpedoed an initiative in which Israeli President Moshe Katsav would have addressed the Palestinian legislature.
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TG
Palestinian Militants Threaten War
By MARK LAVIE, Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM (AP) - Islamic militants threatened ``all-out war`` Wednesday to avenge the killing of a Hamas commander in the West Bank, and Yasser Arafat`s Palestinian Authority said it can no longer be expected to enforce a truce with Israel.
With tensions and violence rising, the U.S. ambassador to Israel called on Israelis and Palestinians to urge their governments to work for peace.
Palestinian militants and mainstream activists marched together in a funeral procession in Nablus, burying the dead from Israel`s raid on a bomb factory a day earlier. Four Hamas activists were killed, including West Bank militant leader Yousef Soragji, 42, mastermind of several suicide bombings.
The Israeli army commander in the West Bank said it was the biggest bomb factory ever uncovered, and the military displayed the range of explosives and timing devices found in the Nablus apartment.
More than 15,000 people marched in the funeral, led by activists from Hamas and the Al Aqsa Brigades, a militia linked to Arafat`s Fatah movement.
Hamas pledged an ``all-out war`` against Israel in retaliation, and Palestinian Cabinet secretary Ahmed Abdel Rahman said the Palestinian Authority could not enforce a cease-fire under the circumstances.
``The Israeli guns are being pointed to our heads,`` he told The Associated Press. ``We are not able to implement any of our commitments.``
On Tuesday, a Palestinian linked to Arafat`s Fatah movement opened fire in downtown Jerusalem, killing two women and wounding 14 other people. Abdel Rahman said the Palestinian Authority opposes attacks on civilians, but charged that Israel was responsible for the deterioration.
A lull of several weeks in the 16 months of violence ended after last week`s killing - widely attributed to Israel - of militia leader Raed Karmi in the West Bank town of Tulkarem. Palestinians have carried out a string of retaliatory attacks against Israeli civilians, bringing on more countermeasures.
On Wednesday, Israeli tanks remained parked about 70 yards from Arafat`s West Bank headquarters in the town of Ramallah, the most visible of the measures Israel has taken.
Also Wednesday, Israeli bulldozers demolished two Palestinian houses on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Israeli officials said they were built without permits.
In a public appeal, U.S. Ambassador Daniel Kurtzer called on Israelis and Palestinians to press their governments to work for peace.
``They need to hear from you that you want peace, that you want reconciliation, that you want reasonable compromise,`` Kurtzer said at Givat Haviva, an Israeli institution that sponsors Jewish-Arab programs.
Kurtzer recalled that his generation stormed American university offices to force change. ``I don`t recommend that,`` he said, but added that Israelis and Palestinians should take actions that ``will be persuasive to the two governments involved that the people have had enough and they want to move forward.``
The resumption of violence appears to have caused the cancellation of a third trip to the region by U.S. envoy Anthony Zinni, who had been expected last week.
In a phone call Wednesday, Arafat asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to send Zinni back to the region. However, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said there are no such plans. Palestinian officials said it was the first such phone call in 15 days.
In Paris, another effort to restore calm got under way as Israeli Parliament Speaker Avraham Burg met with his Palestinian counterpart Ahmed Qureia and pledged to travel to Ramallah to address the legislature there at an undetermined date.
Addressing the French parliament, the two raised their clasped hands and earned a standing ovation.
Burg, who is from the moderate Labor Party, charged that Sharon`s aim is the ``destruction of the Palestinian Authority and reoccupation of the cities of the West Bank,`` which were handed to the Palestinian Authority in the 1990s.
Sharon has cut off political contacts with Palestinian officials because of the violence, and his government several weeks ago torpedoed an initiative in which Israeli President Moshe Katsav would have addressed the Palestinian legislature.
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TG
Jetzt wird anscheinend auch Iran unter die Lupe genommen!
Dieser Bericht erschien heute bei Foxnews.com
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Thursday, January 24, 2002
By Carl Cameron
WASHINGTON — As the U.S. war on terrorism spreads around the globe, government officials are finding more and more evidence that Al Qaeda terrorism originating in Afghanistan has been getting plenty of help from neighboring Iran.
While Pakistan has been under scrutiny for its assistance to terror fugitives, government sources said they have obtained information that confirms Al Qaeda members traveled to Iran to receive financial assistance of approximately $25 million, $14 million of it in one fell swoop.
Two major land routes between Iran and Afghanistan are being closely monitored for fugitives. One is the drug smuggling route in the south that runs into the Iranian cities of Zahedan and Zabol. The other is in the north.
Government officials said there was substantial evidence that the northern route has been used a lot recently. Intelligence information suggests that the fugitives have been departing Afghanistan from the towns of Ghurian and Kenar-e-Kopeh, then heading to the holy city of Mashhad in the Khorasan region of northeast Iran.
Mashhad has always had a high volume of traffic traveling through it. U.S. government officials said they are using satellites to closely monitor the Iranian border.
Personal Points of Contact
Officials said U.S. human intelligence on Iran has improved dramatically in recent weeks with the defection of an Iranian intelligence official. The U.S. government also said it has evidence that Iran and Al Qaeda have planned terrorist attacks together in the past.
Information from the defector and other human intelligence sources suggest Iran has been providing military training, explosives, financial help, forged documents, and telecommunications equipment to Al Qaeda for at least the last three years.
Two weeks ago, before the defector started cooperating, U.S. government officials said they separately obtained strong information from reliable sources that Al Qaeda terrorists who made it to Tehran were able to fly to Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere. Government officials said the fugitives may be hidden in various places by Hezbollah forces based mainly out of the Beka`a Valley in Lebanon.
Government officials said Iran`s relationship with Al Qaeda mostly developed through the Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ). That organization was run by Ayman al-Zawahiri, terrorist leader Usama bin Laden`s right-hand man and chief of ideology. Al-Zawahiri is considered the brains of Al Qaeda, and is believed to have planned most of the organization`s sophisticated attacks.
In early 1996, bin Laden began aggressively reaching out to Hezbollah, EIJ and Iran.
Government officials said that in 1997, bin Laden met with senior officers from a wing of the Iranian government that is constitutionally charged with exporting Islamic fundamentalism. Sources said those talks continued into 2001.
In February 1998, the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders was organized to include 12 groups. Founded by EIJ and Al Qaeda, al-Zawahiri and bin Laden became partners.
Since then, U.S. government officials said a foreign intelligence service has closely monitored numerous trips by al-Zawahiri to Iran and various high-level Iranian officials traveling to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden.
Another major connection between Al Qaeda and Iranian-sponsored terrorism comes out of the 12-member World Islamic Front. The third group to join World Islamic Front was the Egyptian Gama`at. Its chief in 1996 was a senior Iranian special operations commander, Imad Mugniyeh, who met with a top aide to bin Laden in the holy city of Mashhad as recently as October. At that time, Mugniyeh also met with another intelligence official from Iran and one from Iraq.
Mugniyeh, a former intelligence consultant to Ayatollah Khamenei, is wanted internationally for directing Hezbollah`s overseas operations. He is charged with masterminding the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut that killed 63 people, the bombing of the American Marine and French paratroopers` barracks in Beirut that killed 300 soldiers and the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina that killed 92 people.
While Al Qaeda and bin Laden are Sunni Muslims and Iran is a Shi`ite Muslim country, according to court transcripts of the Kenya and Tanzania bombing cases, the two entities decided to collaborate "for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies, particularly the United States … Iran provided the explosives for the bombings which have brought us here today."
The Iranian Connection
Sources said bin Laden, either personally or through al-Zawahiri, has had regular contact with a section of the Iranian government called the "Pasdaran" or Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, charged with protecting the Islamic revolution.
Within the IRGC is the domestic intelligence service called the VEVAK, led by Iran`s Minister of Intelligence and Security Ali Fallahian. VEVAK has openly supported some Islamic Jihad movements.
Within the IRGC, another organization called the "Qods Force" functions as a foreign special operations and intelligence unit tasked with training Islamic fundamentalists and terror groups in facilities in Iran and the Sudan. Qods is led by Ahmad Vahidi.
U.S. officials estimated the total number of Pasdaran and Qods operatives to be near 10,000 worldwide. They have conducted additional training operations in Lebanon and have armed and trained Kurdish groups, Kashmiris, the Balochis, Afghans, Bosnians, and the Muslim separatists in Yugoslavia`s Kosovo province.
Government officials said there are money trails indicating the Pasdaran helped establish Hezbollah branches in Iraqi Kurdistan, Jordan, Somalia, the Sudan, and the Palestinian territories. Government officials said there is additional evidence that shows the Pasdaran helped form Islamic Jihad groups in Egypt, Turkey, Chechnya, Kosovo, and the countries in the Caucasus region of the Commonwealth of Independent States.
Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri are said to have been in contact with both Vahidi and Fallahian, and have cooperated in some of their operations.
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Dieser Bericht erschien heute bei Foxnews.com
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Thursday, January 24, 2002
By Carl Cameron
WASHINGTON — As the U.S. war on terrorism spreads around the globe, government officials are finding more and more evidence that Al Qaeda terrorism originating in Afghanistan has been getting plenty of help from neighboring Iran.
While Pakistan has been under scrutiny for its assistance to terror fugitives, government sources said they have obtained information that confirms Al Qaeda members traveled to Iran to receive financial assistance of approximately $25 million, $14 million of it in one fell swoop.
Two major land routes between Iran and Afghanistan are being closely monitored for fugitives. One is the drug smuggling route in the south that runs into the Iranian cities of Zahedan and Zabol. The other is in the north.
Government officials said there was substantial evidence that the northern route has been used a lot recently. Intelligence information suggests that the fugitives have been departing Afghanistan from the towns of Ghurian and Kenar-e-Kopeh, then heading to the holy city of Mashhad in the Khorasan region of northeast Iran.
Mashhad has always had a high volume of traffic traveling through it. U.S. government officials said they are using satellites to closely monitor the Iranian border.
Personal Points of Contact
Officials said U.S. human intelligence on Iran has improved dramatically in recent weeks with the defection of an Iranian intelligence official. The U.S. government also said it has evidence that Iran and Al Qaeda have planned terrorist attacks together in the past.
Information from the defector and other human intelligence sources suggest Iran has been providing military training, explosives, financial help, forged documents, and telecommunications equipment to Al Qaeda for at least the last three years.
Two weeks ago, before the defector started cooperating, U.S. government officials said they separately obtained strong information from reliable sources that Al Qaeda terrorists who made it to Tehran were able to fly to Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere. Government officials said the fugitives may be hidden in various places by Hezbollah forces based mainly out of the Beka`a Valley in Lebanon.
Government officials said Iran`s relationship with Al Qaeda mostly developed through the Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ). That organization was run by Ayman al-Zawahiri, terrorist leader Usama bin Laden`s right-hand man and chief of ideology. Al-Zawahiri is considered the brains of Al Qaeda, and is believed to have planned most of the organization`s sophisticated attacks.
In early 1996, bin Laden began aggressively reaching out to Hezbollah, EIJ and Iran.
Government officials said that in 1997, bin Laden met with senior officers from a wing of the Iranian government that is constitutionally charged with exporting Islamic fundamentalism. Sources said those talks continued into 2001.
In February 1998, the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders was organized to include 12 groups. Founded by EIJ and Al Qaeda, al-Zawahiri and bin Laden became partners.
Since then, U.S. government officials said a foreign intelligence service has closely monitored numerous trips by al-Zawahiri to Iran and various high-level Iranian officials traveling to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden.
Another major connection between Al Qaeda and Iranian-sponsored terrorism comes out of the 12-member World Islamic Front. The third group to join World Islamic Front was the Egyptian Gama`at. Its chief in 1996 was a senior Iranian special operations commander, Imad Mugniyeh, who met with a top aide to bin Laden in the holy city of Mashhad as recently as October. At that time, Mugniyeh also met with another intelligence official from Iran and one from Iraq.
Mugniyeh, a former intelligence consultant to Ayatollah Khamenei, is wanted internationally for directing Hezbollah`s overseas operations. He is charged with masterminding the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut that killed 63 people, the bombing of the American Marine and French paratroopers` barracks in Beirut that killed 300 soldiers and the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina that killed 92 people.
While Al Qaeda and bin Laden are Sunni Muslims and Iran is a Shi`ite Muslim country, according to court transcripts of the Kenya and Tanzania bombing cases, the two entities decided to collaborate "for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies, particularly the United States … Iran provided the explosives for the bombings which have brought us here today."
The Iranian Connection
Sources said bin Laden, either personally or through al-Zawahiri, has had regular contact with a section of the Iranian government called the "Pasdaran" or Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, charged with protecting the Islamic revolution.
Within the IRGC is the domestic intelligence service called the VEVAK, led by Iran`s Minister of Intelligence and Security Ali Fallahian. VEVAK has openly supported some Islamic Jihad movements.
Within the IRGC, another organization called the "Qods Force" functions as a foreign special operations and intelligence unit tasked with training Islamic fundamentalists and terror groups in facilities in Iran and the Sudan. Qods is led by Ahmad Vahidi.
U.S. officials estimated the total number of Pasdaran and Qods operatives to be near 10,000 worldwide. They have conducted additional training operations in Lebanon and have armed and trained Kurdish groups, Kashmiris, the Balochis, Afghans, Bosnians, and the Muslim separatists in Yugoslavia`s Kosovo province.
Government officials said there are money trails indicating the Pasdaran helped establish Hezbollah branches in Iraqi Kurdistan, Jordan, Somalia, the Sudan, and the Palestinian territories. Government officials said there is additional evidence that shows the Pasdaran helped form Islamic Jihad groups in Egypt, Turkey, Chechnya, Kosovo, and the countries in the Caucasus region of the Commonwealth of Independent States.
Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri are said to have been in contact with both Vahidi and Fallahian, and have cooperated in some of their operations.
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ich hab das mal aus germa`s thread geklaut
Gold rush hits Japan as savers seek out havens
By Bayan Rahman in Tokyo and Adrienne Roberts in London
Published: January 24 2002 20:08 | Last Updated: January 24 2002 20:17
Last month a customer walked into The Gold Shop in Tokyo`s Otemachi district, put ¥30m ($224,000) on the counter and asked for it to be converted into bullion. He left with 26kg of gold bars.
Two weeks ago, Yoshihiro Matsumoto, head of the gold retail division at Mitsubishi Materials, helped a customer carry 20 kg of gold out of the shop.
"He and I each carried 10kg in some paper bags he`d brought along. It was a long 10-minute walk to his car," he says.
This is hardly a typical day`s business for Japan`s gold retailers. "Normally our customers buy 1kg-5kg of gold, but recently they`re buying in huge amounts," says Mr Matsumoto. "And most people want to take their gold home rather than have it in a bank deposit box."
With the government planning to curb protection on bank deposits, many savers would rather hold their wealth in gold than as money in a bank account.
According to John Reade, precious metals analyst at UBS Warburg in London: "This is potentially the biggest gold demand story of the decade."
With an average nest egg of around ¥14m per household, Japanese investors have a high propensity to save. They also have a reputation for caution. An estimated 45 per cent of their massive ¥1,400,000bn savings is held in bank accounts, with less than 10 per cent invested in the stock market.
The existing deposit insurance regime provides a guarantee that if a financial institution fails, the government will repay depositors in full. But now, as part of its banking reforms, the government will impose a payout limit of ¥10m on time deposits from April 2002 and on all accounts from April 2003.
"With no safe place to keep savings and other Japanese asset classes looking weak after a 10-year fall in equity prices and mushrooming government debt, physical gold and other precious metals look very attractive," said Mr Reade.
About 50 small deposit-taking institutions collapsed last year, and Junichiro Koizumi, the prime minister, has said several times recently that the government would ensure Japan avoided a financial crisis.
"Even though the yen price of gold is going up, people want to buy. And the April change is the main reason for that," said Yoshiko Mizutani, manager of The Gold Shop. "Customers tell me that even if the price of gold falls, it`ll never fall to zero. But if their bank goes under, they worry their savings could disappear."
Ms Mizutani thinks the recent bank bail-out of Daiei, the supermarket chain, has further undermined people`s confidence in institutions that have been part of the fabric Japanese society for decades.
Since September 11, Japanese investors have become more concerned about currency market volatility. And the collapse of US energy group Enron undermined confidence in fixed-income assets as many retail investors had put their savings into money management funds that included Enron bonds. Concern about Argentina`s economy has also rattled investors who bought Argentine Samurai bonds, yen-denominated bonds by an overseas issuer.
Retailers say most of the customers coming in are male and over 50 years old. Many are retired and fear their lifetime savings will be wiped out if there is a financial crisis. Not all of them live in the big cities. Tanaka, the largest bullion house, estimates that this month`s sales at its 130 affiliated retailers in provincial cities will be five times their January 2001 levels.
But whether Japanese savers` banking fears translate into a boom in gold demand will depend on marketing, according to Mr Reade. He says bodies such as the World Gold Council will need to ensure that gold and other precious metals "gain their share of investment" as savers seek out havens.
http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid…
gruss drag
Gold rush hits Japan as savers seek out havens
By Bayan Rahman in Tokyo and Adrienne Roberts in London
Published: January 24 2002 20:08 | Last Updated: January 24 2002 20:17
Last month a customer walked into The Gold Shop in Tokyo`s Otemachi district, put ¥30m ($224,000) on the counter and asked for it to be converted into bullion. He left with 26kg of gold bars.
Two weeks ago, Yoshihiro Matsumoto, head of the gold retail division at Mitsubishi Materials, helped a customer carry 20 kg of gold out of the shop.
"He and I each carried 10kg in some paper bags he`d brought along. It was a long 10-minute walk to his car," he says.
This is hardly a typical day`s business for Japan`s gold retailers. "Normally our customers buy 1kg-5kg of gold, but recently they`re buying in huge amounts," says Mr Matsumoto. "And most people want to take their gold home rather than have it in a bank deposit box."
With the government planning to curb protection on bank deposits, many savers would rather hold their wealth in gold than as money in a bank account.
According to John Reade, precious metals analyst at UBS Warburg in London: "This is potentially the biggest gold demand story of the decade."
With an average nest egg of around ¥14m per household, Japanese investors have a high propensity to save. They also have a reputation for caution. An estimated 45 per cent of their massive ¥1,400,000bn savings is held in bank accounts, with less than 10 per cent invested in the stock market.
The existing deposit insurance regime provides a guarantee that if a financial institution fails, the government will repay depositors in full. But now, as part of its banking reforms, the government will impose a payout limit of ¥10m on time deposits from April 2002 and on all accounts from April 2003.
"With no safe place to keep savings and other Japanese asset classes looking weak after a 10-year fall in equity prices and mushrooming government debt, physical gold and other precious metals look very attractive," said Mr Reade.
About 50 small deposit-taking institutions collapsed last year, and Junichiro Koizumi, the prime minister, has said several times recently that the government would ensure Japan avoided a financial crisis.
"Even though the yen price of gold is going up, people want to buy. And the April change is the main reason for that," said Yoshiko Mizutani, manager of The Gold Shop. "Customers tell me that even if the price of gold falls, it`ll never fall to zero. But if their bank goes under, they worry their savings could disappear."
Ms Mizutani thinks the recent bank bail-out of Daiei, the supermarket chain, has further undermined people`s confidence in institutions that have been part of the fabric Japanese society for decades.
Since September 11, Japanese investors have become more concerned about currency market volatility. And the collapse of US energy group Enron undermined confidence in fixed-income assets as many retail investors had put their savings into money management funds that included Enron bonds. Concern about Argentina`s economy has also rattled investors who bought Argentine Samurai bonds, yen-denominated bonds by an overseas issuer.
Retailers say most of the customers coming in are male and over 50 years old. Many are retired and fear their lifetime savings will be wiped out if there is a financial crisis. Not all of them live in the big cities. Tanaka, the largest bullion house, estimates that this month`s sales at its 130 affiliated retailers in provincial cities will be five times their January 2001 levels.
But whether Japanese savers` banking fears translate into a boom in gold demand will depend on marketing, according to Mr Reade. He says bodies such as the World Gold Council will need to ensure that gold and other precious metals "gain their share of investment" as savers seek out havens.
http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid…
gruss drag
@NfDrag
Habe heute neue Meldungen von Reuters zu Japan gelesen, die mich darin bestärken, dass ich glaube, dass die Japaner bald noch sehr viel mehr physisches Gold kaufen werden.
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Japan trade surplus in 2001 declines by 38%
TOKYO - Japan`s trade surplus slid by 38 percent in 2001, its biggest drop since 1970 and a third straight year of decline
Many Asian governments are concerned about perceptions in financial markets that Japanese officials have been effectively talking down the yen by saying foreign exchange rates should reflect economic fundamentals.
Korean Finance Minister Jin Nyum said on Wednesday that it was very dangerous for Japan to take an aggressive policy to help boost its exports.
Finance Minister Masajuro Shiokawa yesterday insisted that the government was not deliberately aiming to drive the yen lower.
"In principle, we do not intervene in currency markets," he told a parliamentary committee. "Recent currency movements are occurring where we have no involvement." - Reuters
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TG
Habe heute neue Meldungen von Reuters zu Japan gelesen, die mich darin bestärken, dass ich glaube, dass die Japaner bald noch sehr viel mehr physisches Gold kaufen werden.
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Japan trade surplus in 2001 declines by 38%
TOKYO - Japan`s trade surplus slid by 38 percent in 2001, its biggest drop since 1970 and a third straight year of decline
Many Asian governments are concerned about perceptions in financial markets that Japanese officials have been effectively talking down the yen by saying foreign exchange rates should reflect economic fundamentals.
Korean Finance Minister Jin Nyum said on Wednesday that it was very dangerous for Japan to take an aggressive policy to help boost its exports.
Finance Minister Masajuro Shiokawa yesterday insisted that the government was not deliberately aiming to drive the yen lower.
"In principle, we do not intervene in currency markets," he told a parliamentary committee. "Recent currency movements are occurring where we have no involvement." - Reuters
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TG
Die russischen Goldproduzenten haben anscheinend überfällige Schulden bei der Regierung von 610 Millionen US $!
Möchte gerne wissen wie hoch die Schulden sind, die noch nicht fällig geworden sind?
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ODJ Russian Gold Producers Said To Owe Budget $610 Mln Overdue Debt
By Grigori Gerenstein
Moscow, Jan. 29 (OsterDowJones) - A number of Russian gold producers and
governments of gold-producing regions owe the federal budget a total of $610
million in overdue debts, the press service of the Accounting Chamber of the
Russian Federation said Tuesday.
The debts were accumulated in 1992-2000, when the so-called gold credits
were issued to gold producers and government of gold-producing regions to
stimulate gold production.
The credits were issued in the form of gold, which could be used as
collateral on commercial credits. Altogether $982 million worth of gold was
lent, out of which $610 million were overdue as of Jan 1 2002, an increase of
1.8 times compared to the overdue amount on Jan 1 2001.
The Accounting Chamber has conducted an audit of the gold credits, which
revealed that the largest non-payers were Norilsk Nickel, the gold producers
Vasilyevsky Rudnik and Berezovsky Rudnik, and the governments of Magadan
region, Chukotsky Autonomous District, Sakha Republic and Buryat Republic.
The Accounting Chamber said it was handing over the results of the audit
to the Russian government and to the Prosecutor General office.
According to the Accounting Chamber, the Prosecutor General is being
involved because serious irregularities in the handling of the credits had
been discovered on the part of the regional governments.
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Grigori Gerenstein, OsterDowJones, +44 20 7979 5740
gerenstein@hotmail.com
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TG
Möchte gerne wissen wie hoch die Schulden sind, die noch nicht fällig geworden sind?
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ODJ Russian Gold Producers Said To Owe Budget $610 Mln Overdue Debt
By Grigori Gerenstein
Moscow, Jan. 29 (OsterDowJones) - A number of Russian gold producers and
governments of gold-producing regions owe the federal budget a total of $610
million in overdue debts, the press service of the Accounting Chamber of the
Russian Federation said Tuesday.
The debts were accumulated in 1992-2000, when the so-called gold credits
were issued to gold producers and government of gold-producing regions to
stimulate gold production.
The credits were issued in the form of gold, which could be used as
collateral on commercial credits. Altogether $982 million worth of gold was
lent, out of which $610 million were overdue as of Jan 1 2002, an increase of
1.8 times compared to the overdue amount on Jan 1 2001.
The Accounting Chamber has conducted an audit of the gold credits, which
revealed that the largest non-payers were Norilsk Nickel, the gold producers
Vasilyevsky Rudnik and Berezovsky Rudnik, and the governments of Magadan
region, Chukotsky Autonomous District, Sakha Republic and Buryat Republic.
The Accounting Chamber said it was handing over the results of the audit
to the Russian government and to the Prosecutor General office.
According to the Accounting Chamber, the Prosecutor General is being
involved because serious irregularities in the handling of the credits had
been discovered on the part of the regional governments.
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Grigori Gerenstein, OsterDowJones, +44 20 7979 5740
gerenstein@hotmail.com
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TG
Quelle:
http://www.reuters.de/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=TVEKBDC0…
Bush will Verteidigungsausgaben drastisch erhöhen
03 Februar 2002 12:19 CET
Washington (Reuters) - US-Präsident George W. Bush will Regierungskreisen zufolge die Verteidigungsausgaben in den kommenden fünf Jahren drastisch erhöhen und den Kampf gegen den internationalen Terrorismus weiter vorantreiben. Bush wolle am Montag den Kongress ersuchen, den Verteidigungshaushalt bis 2007 um 120 Milliarden auf 451 Milliarden Dollar aufzustocken, verlautete aus den Kreisen in Washington. Das Militär müsse für den Kampf der USA gegen seine Feinde gestärkt werden, heißt es in Auszügen aus Bushs Haushaltsvorschlag, die der Nachrichtenagentur Reuters vorliegen. Der stellvertretende US-Verteidigungsminister Paul Wolfowitz bekräftigte auf der Sicherheitskonferenz in München, die USA würden weitere Staaten zur Rechenschaft ziehen, wenn diese Terroristen unterstützten.
Bush hatte bereits angekündigt, im Kongress für das kommende Haushaltsjahr eine Erhöhung des Verteidigungsetats um zwölf Prozent auf 379 Milliarden Dollar zu beantragen. Dies wäre die größte Steigerung des Verteidigungshaushalts der USA seit der Erhöhung vor 21 Jahren durch den damaligen Präsidenten Ronald Reagan.
Bush hatte die angestrebte Erhöhung der Mittel vor allem mit seinen Plänen zur Bekämpfung des internationalen Terrorismus begründet. "Der Haushalt für 2003 ist viel mehr als eine Aufstellung von Zahlen. Es ist ein Plan, einen Krieg zu führen, den wir nicht suchten, aber ein Krieg, den wir entschlossen sind zu gewinnen", heißt es in Auszügen aus Bushs Haushaltsvorschlag. "Das amerikanische Militär muss gestärkt werden...so dass es noch effektiver unsere Feinde finden, verfolgen und vernichten kann."
Wie aus Regierungskreisen in Washington am Samstag verlautete, wird vor dem Hintergrund der Anschläge vom 11. September damit gerechnet, dass der Kongress der Erhöhung des Verteidigungsetats um zwölf Prozent im Haushaltsjahr 2003 zustimmen wird. Der von Bush für das im Oktober beginnende Haushaltsjahr vorgeschlagene Plan umfasst Gesamtausgaben in Höhe von 2,1 Billionen Dollar.
Bush hatte unmittelbar nach den Anschlägen vom 11. September angekündigt, gegen alle Staaten vorzugehen, die Terroristen unterstützten oder Unterschlupf gewähren. In seiner Rede zur Lage der Nation hatte er am Dienstag Irak, Iran und Nordkorea als "Achse des Bösen" bezeichnet. Die Äußerungen hatten international Besorgnis ausgelöst, die USA stünden vor einem Angriff auf eines der Länder. Die US-Regierung verneinten dies.
Wolfowitz sagte am Samstag auf der 38. Sicherheitskonferenz in München, ein Angriff auf den Irak stehe nicht bevor. Wolfowitz betonte, Bush habe mit seiner Rede eine Debatte und Konsultationen beginnen wollen. "Wir sind von Entscheidungen weit entfernt", stellte er nach einem Treffen mit dem russischen Verteidigungsminister Sergej Iwanow klar.
Der einflussreiche republikanische Senator John McCain sagte hingegen auf der Konferenz, die nächste Front sei Irak. Mit Blick auf den irakischen Präsidenten Saddam Hussein fügte er hinzu, in Bagdad residiere ein Terrorist, der über die Ressourcen eines Staates und riesige Einnahmen aus dem Öl-Geschäft verfüge und zudem stolz darauf sei, Forderungen nach Waffenkontrollen zu ignorieren. Die Entwicklung von Massenvernichtungswaffen sei an sich schon ein Kriegsgrund, sagte McCain. Die Luftangriffe in Afghanistan hätten gezeigt, dass ein gemeinsames Vorgehen von Luftwaffe und Spezialtruppen am Boden erfolgreich sei: "Die nächste Phase im Kampf gegen den Terror kann auf diesem Modell aufbauen."
(1 Dollar = 1,16 Euro)
http://www.reuters.de/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=TVEKBDC0…
Bush will Verteidigungsausgaben drastisch erhöhen
03 Februar 2002 12:19 CET
Washington (Reuters) - US-Präsident George W. Bush will Regierungskreisen zufolge die Verteidigungsausgaben in den kommenden fünf Jahren drastisch erhöhen und den Kampf gegen den internationalen Terrorismus weiter vorantreiben. Bush wolle am Montag den Kongress ersuchen, den Verteidigungshaushalt bis 2007 um 120 Milliarden auf 451 Milliarden Dollar aufzustocken, verlautete aus den Kreisen in Washington. Das Militär müsse für den Kampf der USA gegen seine Feinde gestärkt werden, heißt es in Auszügen aus Bushs Haushaltsvorschlag, die der Nachrichtenagentur Reuters vorliegen. Der stellvertretende US-Verteidigungsminister Paul Wolfowitz bekräftigte auf der Sicherheitskonferenz in München, die USA würden weitere Staaten zur Rechenschaft ziehen, wenn diese Terroristen unterstützten.
Bush hatte bereits angekündigt, im Kongress für das kommende Haushaltsjahr eine Erhöhung des Verteidigungsetats um zwölf Prozent auf 379 Milliarden Dollar zu beantragen. Dies wäre die größte Steigerung des Verteidigungshaushalts der USA seit der Erhöhung vor 21 Jahren durch den damaligen Präsidenten Ronald Reagan.
Bush hatte die angestrebte Erhöhung der Mittel vor allem mit seinen Plänen zur Bekämpfung des internationalen Terrorismus begründet. "Der Haushalt für 2003 ist viel mehr als eine Aufstellung von Zahlen. Es ist ein Plan, einen Krieg zu führen, den wir nicht suchten, aber ein Krieg, den wir entschlossen sind zu gewinnen", heißt es in Auszügen aus Bushs Haushaltsvorschlag. "Das amerikanische Militär muss gestärkt werden...so dass es noch effektiver unsere Feinde finden, verfolgen und vernichten kann."
Wie aus Regierungskreisen in Washington am Samstag verlautete, wird vor dem Hintergrund der Anschläge vom 11. September damit gerechnet, dass der Kongress der Erhöhung des Verteidigungsetats um zwölf Prozent im Haushaltsjahr 2003 zustimmen wird. Der von Bush für das im Oktober beginnende Haushaltsjahr vorgeschlagene Plan umfasst Gesamtausgaben in Höhe von 2,1 Billionen Dollar.
Bush hatte unmittelbar nach den Anschlägen vom 11. September angekündigt, gegen alle Staaten vorzugehen, die Terroristen unterstützten oder Unterschlupf gewähren. In seiner Rede zur Lage der Nation hatte er am Dienstag Irak, Iran und Nordkorea als "Achse des Bösen" bezeichnet. Die Äußerungen hatten international Besorgnis ausgelöst, die USA stünden vor einem Angriff auf eines der Länder. Die US-Regierung verneinten dies.
Wolfowitz sagte am Samstag auf der 38. Sicherheitskonferenz in München, ein Angriff auf den Irak stehe nicht bevor. Wolfowitz betonte, Bush habe mit seiner Rede eine Debatte und Konsultationen beginnen wollen. "Wir sind von Entscheidungen weit entfernt", stellte er nach einem Treffen mit dem russischen Verteidigungsminister Sergej Iwanow klar.
Der einflussreiche republikanische Senator John McCain sagte hingegen auf der Konferenz, die nächste Front sei Irak. Mit Blick auf den irakischen Präsidenten Saddam Hussein fügte er hinzu, in Bagdad residiere ein Terrorist, der über die Ressourcen eines Staates und riesige Einnahmen aus dem Öl-Geschäft verfüge und zudem stolz darauf sei, Forderungen nach Waffenkontrollen zu ignorieren. Die Entwicklung von Massenvernichtungswaffen sei an sich schon ein Kriegsgrund, sagte McCain. Die Luftangriffe in Afghanistan hätten gezeigt, dass ein gemeinsames Vorgehen von Luftwaffe und Spezialtruppen am Boden erfolgreich sei: "Die nächste Phase im Kampf gegen den Terror kann auf diesem Modell aufbauen."
(1 Dollar = 1,16 Euro)
Jetzt schau mal einer an!
Alleine die gössten japanischen Banken, haben zusammen US$166.4 Milliarden sogenannte "risk management loans"(vermutlich auf nimmer wiedersehen!) in ihren Büchern stehen.
Schätze mal das der Nikkei noch etwas weiter tauchen wird.
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S&P downgrades 7 major Japanese banks
TOKYO Ð Credit ratings agency Standard and Poor`s said on Tuesday it had downgraded seven major Japanese banks and affirmed the ratings on four others while leaving all their long-term ratings on negative outlook.
Banks that had ratings cut were Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank, Fuji Bank, Industrial Bank of Japan and Yasuda Trust and Banking Ð all part of Mizuho Holdings, Sumitomo Mitsui Banking and UFJ Bank, a member of UFJ Holdings and Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, a member of Mitsubishi Tokyo Financial Group (MTFG).
Banks that had ratings affirmed were Mitsubishi Trust & Banking Corp, part of MTFG; Sumitomo Trust & Banking and UFJ Trust & Banking, part of UFJ Holdings, and unlisted Norinchukin Bank.
"The ratings adjustments reflect further deterioration in the financial profiles of the respective banks stemming from their high and growing level of impaired assets, insufficient core earnings to meet credit costs and widening shortfalls in capital to offset losses imbedded in impaired assets and fund ongoing operations," S&P said in a statement.
However, it added the ratings were underpinnned by system support, "including the likelihood of a further infusion of funds by the Japanese government."
The agency said Japan`s deflationary economy and the increasing numbers of bankruptcies in the corporate sector were pressuring the asset quality of Japan`s banks.
S&P noted that total risk management loans of the major banks increased to 22 trillion yen (US$166.4 billion) or 7.1 percent of total loans at September 2001, up by 13 percent from March 2001.
"The negative outlooks reflect concerns that the banks` asset quality will further deteriorate amid an entrenched recession in Japan," S&P said.
"As market participants become more sensitive to credit risks, it is becoming increasingly difficult for financially weak companies to get funding," it added.
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Alleine die gössten japanischen Banken, haben zusammen US$166.4 Milliarden sogenannte "risk management loans"(vermutlich auf nimmer wiedersehen!) in ihren Büchern stehen.
Schätze mal das der Nikkei noch etwas weiter tauchen wird.
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Meldung aus Business Day 26.2.02
S&P downgrades 7 major Japanese banks
TOKYO Ð Credit ratings agency Standard and Poor`s said on Tuesday it had downgraded seven major Japanese banks and affirmed the ratings on four others while leaving all their long-term ratings on negative outlook.
Banks that had ratings cut were Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank, Fuji Bank, Industrial Bank of Japan and Yasuda Trust and Banking Ð all part of Mizuho Holdings, Sumitomo Mitsui Banking and UFJ Bank, a member of UFJ Holdings and Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi, a member of Mitsubishi Tokyo Financial Group (MTFG).
Banks that had ratings affirmed were Mitsubishi Trust & Banking Corp, part of MTFG; Sumitomo Trust & Banking and UFJ Trust & Banking, part of UFJ Holdings, and unlisted Norinchukin Bank.
"The ratings adjustments reflect further deterioration in the financial profiles of the respective banks stemming from their high and growing level of impaired assets, insufficient core earnings to meet credit costs and widening shortfalls in capital to offset losses imbedded in impaired assets and fund ongoing operations," S&P said in a statement.
However, it added the ratings were underpinnned by system support, "including the likelihood of a further infusion of funds by the Japanese government."
The agency said Japan`s deflationary economy and the increasing numbers of bankruptcies in the corporate sector were pressuring the asset quality of Japan`s banks.
S&P noted that total risk management loans of the major banks increased to 22 trillion yen (US$166.4 billion) or 7.1 percent of total loans at September 2001, up by 13 percent from March 2001.
"The negative outlooks reflect concerns that the banks` asset quality will further deteriorate amid an entrenched recession in Japan," S&P said.
"As market participants become more sensitive to credit risks, it is becoming increasingly difficult for financially weak companies to get funding," it added.
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TG
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DATE AM FIXING PM FIXING Fixing prices
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SILVER 04/02fett 4.3000 0.0000
PLATINUM 04/02 452.00 0.00 454.00 0.00
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