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      schrieb am 15.02.02 16:59:57
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      Ab heute führe ich mal ein vereinfachtes Schema ein, wie eine Ampel ( / :cool: / :mad: ), und zwar für 3 Zeitebenen, die aktuell wie folgt aussehen:

      1. Langfristig
      2. Mittelfristig
      3. Kurzfristig :cool:

      Gründe:
      1. Primärer Trend ist völlig intakt
      2. Der PPO dreht in Richtung des Triggers, allerdings erst auf Tagesbasis. Die ausschlaggebende wöchentliche Sicht ist weiter völlig intakt.
      3. Der Aufwärtstrend im RSI hält noch, bei einem Bruch würde dieser Indikator auf :mad: gehen.

      Viel Erfolg,
      Krahmix :)
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      schrieb am 15.02.02 17:05:15
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      Danke Sohn, gute Arbeit:look:

      Pa:D
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      schrieb am 15.02.02 17:06:35
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      Danke, Pa :)

      Gez. Hoss
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      schrieb am 15.02.02 19:24:50
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      ... da bin ich aber beruhigt
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      schrieb am 17.02.02 19:34:02
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      Krahmix, ich finde Dein Posting einfach toll.

      Dieser Ampeleffekt..ist der Hit !

      :)


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      schrieb am 17.02.02 20:04:37
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      Danke, Ulli ! :)
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:09:25
      Beitrag Nr. 7 ()
      Ein sehr interessanter Post vom RB Longs Board von Reckon:

      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:05 AM EST Msg. 6109 of 6111

      More Thoughts on China:

      I’ve been contacted by many longs concerned about the recent Thales announcement and its implications for UPGD/UC. I thought I’d detail some of the reasons I’m not particularly worried about this announcement in order to avoid repeating myself in emails and phone calls. Please bear with me folks, as this is a long post, but I think it deserves a bit of analysis.

      First of all, China is a huge country and the ID project an enormous undertaking. Imagine, if you will, the various government agencies and bureaucrats that will want to be a part of this effort, and will want the prestige involved with identifying the technologies and companies that will eventually be a part of the final ID card solution. It is a country, after all, of many provinces and principalities that has a population of over four times that of the U.S. There will no doubt be many different pilot projects and many different facets to their search for the “ideal” ID card.

      To me, the thought that they would only engage in one pilot scheme, with a heretofore untested and completely new technology and company, is rather naïve. No, there will certainly be many pilot tests and many companies involved in them.

      Take for instance, the NY Times article recently posted by ALJ concerning the Hong Kong project. First of all, it appears to me that the author of the article made a mistake by referring to the readers as being “optical”. Although there is a small chance that Drexler’s optical technology will be chosen for this project, as they have tiny contract with a Hong Kong education agency, let’s skip that apparent bit of misinformation for the time being

      The bottom line is that Hong Kong, like Macau, will soon be testing smart ID cards. Hong Kong has not announced who will produce the cards, although the article suggests that Pacific Century CyberWorks, “Hong Kong`s flagship telephone company”, may win the contract, presumably as the main systems integrator. Remember, for the Macau project, Siemens was awarded the contract as systems integrator, although G&D will be making most of the money as the actual card supplier.

      The article states the following:

      “[It is possible that this project may expand]… onto the Chinese mainland. China already requires its 1.3 billion people to carry laminated identification cards. But the government is eager to issue smart
      identification cards with multiple uses. The authorities in Beijing have asked immigration officials here
      whether Hong Kong`s card could serve as a model for the mainland`s own.”

      Therefore, some government officials are already viewing the Hong Kong project as a “pilot” for the Chinese national ID card program. Presumably, Macau’s project will also be viewed as such. The Hong Kong project is of particular interest because Hong Kong was recently a British colony, and hence much more sensitive to issues of personal privacy and civil liberties. The article goes on to state:

      “Hong Kong`s separate status has made people here sensitive to any encroachment of their civil liberties, particularly since the city returned to China`s control in 1997. The public debate here over the new ID card was long and spirited. When pro- democracy lawmakers raised privacy concerns, officials shelved their more ambitious proposals for the card.

      After floating the idea of storing other data, like medical information or even money, on the identification card, Hong Kong now plans to limit it to basic uses. In addition to immigration data, the chip will have space for a digital certificate: an electronic signature that has legal standing and can be transmitted in coded form for use in electronic commerce.”

      Now, we’ve been discussing for some time on this board the relative merits of the UltraCard vs. traditional smart card technologies in the realm of personal privacy and civil liberties. It is very interesting to see how these issues have affected the Hong Kong project and whether they will impact Beijing’s ultimate decision as to what technology to go with. We certainly know that UltraCard’s position is certainly enhanced by any concerns about personal privacy, because a centralized personal-data infrastructure is made obsolete by UltraCard’s dramatic memory advantage.

      In any event, the point I wanted to make is that there are already, in essence, two pilot programs for the Chinese national ID card already in place, besides UltraCard’s pilot in Shanghai. An interesting point is that for one of them, Macau’s, G&D will be providing the cards. We don’t know as of yet whose cards will be used for Hong Kong’s, although we should hear very soon.

      At this point, the Thales project is much more vague. First of all, the PR was badly written and therefore it wasn’t clear whether the pilots it mentioned were going to use simply contactless cards or “dual-interface” contact/contactless cards. My guess is, from divining the awkward PR, that they will be dual-interface cards. Furthermore, the PR makes no mention of when or where the pilots will take place, or, more importantly to us, who will make the cards. Thales is not a card manufacturer. From the PR, it sounds as though Thales will be involved in personalizing the cards or perhaps just the contactless chip, as that, I believe, is one of their specialties. But from the look of it, this is just a preliminary contract and the specifics are far from being worked out.

      In summary, what we know now is that China is moving ahead with its ID card program. At this point there are four companies that have publicly announced their involvement in pilot programs, or projects that could be perceived as such (Macau’s and Hong Kong’s): Thales, Siemens, G&D and UltraCard. It should be of no surprise to anyone that there are now (and will be more in the future) many different companies involved in this project, which after all is the biggest undertaking ever in the smart card sector.

      This is what we know now. My next post concerns how I see this all playing out.

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      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:16:55
      Beitrag Nr. 8 ()
      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:05 AM EST Msg. 6110 of 6111

      A Multi-Tiered Effort

      It will likely be a year or more until we know what technologies the Chinese will decide to go with for their national ID card. However, I think it is safe in assuming that all viable technologies will be tested and that the Chinese will want to go with the best possible combination of solutions.

      Today, there are many different basic technologies that any ID card can employ (in addition to simple photographs and text). There is the basic mag-stripe, the bar-code, solid-state technology (“smart” chips), radio-frequency technology (contactless) and optical technology (mainly supplied by one company: Drexler). In the very near future, UltraCard’s hard-drive technology will be added to that list.

      As of now, according to the PR’s in the sector, the Chinese are considering the use of standard smart cards (solid-state chip cards supplied by G&D and Siemens), contact-less technology (which Thales will assist in the implementation of) and the UltraCard. I would imagine that they will also use the mag-stripe technology that almost any card provider could supply them with. As I see it, it is likely that the Chinese will eventually decide to go with all four of these technologies on one card (it is certainly feasible to do so) in order to maximize the cards’ flexibility and to control costs.

      By using mag-stripe (and perhaps bar-code) technology, the cards will be able to interface with any readers that now only can read magnetic stripes (or bar-codes). It is also very likely that they will decide to use contact-less technology because of the time-efficiency (on the end-user’s side) that technology offers. When using a contactless card, one only has to place the card in the general proximity of a reader to have the relevant information-transfer occur. For transportation purposes this technology is particularly useful.

      It is next to certain that the Chinese will use smart chip technology on their cards. Chips offer a limited storage capacity, as well as information processing capabilities, which are essential for any sophisticated “smart” card.

      Now, if the Chinese decide to go with these three technologies (mag-stripe, contactless and smart chip) they will have to choose between many different companies and individual technologies. Certain companies are more adept at dealing with the problems inherent in designing contactless systems, others are better at smart chip or mag-stripe solutions . And within these sub-sectors, there are different technologies and approaches that the Chinese will surely want to test and evaluate. Hence, it is certain that many different companies will be involved in Chinese ID card pilot projects.

      However, if the Chinese decide to go with all four technologies they have already committed to in PR’s related to pilot projects, there is only one company they can go with for the fourth: UltraCard. I believe they will ultimately decide to use UltraCard’s technology as a key component of their ID cards for a variety of reasons, which are all related to the massive advantage that the UltraCard offers: memory capacity. I know I don’t have to reiterate here how massive that advantage is, but I will: the “Shanghai” UltraCard will contain 20,000,000 bytes of information as compared a smart chip card’s (at the very most, and very expensive) 128,000 bytes or a contactless card’s 8,000 bytes (at the most).

      So, if the Chinese desire a card that offers any real storage capacity at all, they will be forced to go with the UltraCard (unless they decide to go with Drexler’s optical card, which to me is unlikely considering reader-costs and other factors). This is especially true when you consider the following: a smart card chip that offers more than 16,000 bytes worth of memory becomes very expensive. I’m not sure exactly how expensive a 32,000 byte processing card is, but my guess is around $10 or $15. A 2k (2,000 byte) or 4k card is much less…in the $2 to $4 range (again, these figures depend on other factors [processing capabilities, software, etc], but I think these numbers are “in the ballpark”…if anyone knows otherwise, please correct me immediately). An UltraCard “shim” (the element of the card that contains the hard-disk material) will only add in the neighborhood of $0.5-$1.00 to each card. Thus, the cost-savings in memory is absolutely staggering.

      More than cost-savings, however, is the basic fact that in order to store sophisticated biometrics or other memory-intensive personal information (complete medical records, education records, etc.) the only option that the Chinese will have will be the UltraCard.

      Now, one might argue that the benefits of the UltraCard’s memory advantages are outweighed by the formidable obstacle of reader implementation. Smart Card readers are certainly less expensive than UltraDrives (UltraCard readers) will be. The latest estimate that I’ve heard place the UltraDrive in the $40-$100 range, whereas basic smart card readers, I believe, cost as little at $10. However, there are several issues to consider here. First of all, there will obviously have to be far fewer readers than cards. If you consider UltraCard’s announced order of 2,000,000 cards and 10,000 readers, and do the math, the cost of the readers are more than mitigated by the relatively memory-inexpensive cost of the cards.

      Beyond that, however, is that fact that at not all points of interface will the Chinese ID card require an UltraDrive, if my vision of the final Chinese ID card proves correct. At some places, only mag-stripe readers will be necessary. At others, only contactless or smart chip readers will be employed. Only at those places where relatively massive amounts of information will need to be processed or read will UltraDrives be necessary.

      As I see it then, the Chinese will eventually be forced to conclude that they must include UltraCard technology on their national ID card. Not only will it save costs for memory intensive applications, but it will also allow the Chinese government to build-in the capacity for more applications as the needs for these programs present themselves. And it won’t force them to adopt a new technology lock-stock-and-barrel, but allow them to integrate this new technology along with, and in a complimentary fashion to, current and time-tested technologies.

      We all know that as the digital revolution progresses so does the need for more memory. This basic fact will surely not be lost on the Chinese as they make their final decisions. I believe, in the end, the Chinese will conclude that their national ID card must contain at least four technologies: mag-stripe, contactless, smart chip, and UltraCard.

      This will surely mean that they will test many different technologies among the “lower rungs” of smart card offerings. And surely every contactless technology company (including software providers, systems integrators, hardware providers, etc.) will make a play at convincing the Chinese that their technology is the best. The same gold rush will be embarked upon by smart-chip card providers. And remember, one of those providers, G&D, already has the Macau project, is the premier microprocessor smart card company in the world, is a top systems integrator and software provider for smart cards, and will soon be partnered with UltraCard.

      At the end of the day, if the Chinese decide that they want to have a truly state-of-the-art smart card which is memory intensive and inexpensive, their ONLY option will be to use UltraCard technology. I have the feeling that G&D may have figured all this out already.

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      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:18:57
      Beitrag Nr. 9 ()
      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:05 AM EST Msg. 6110 of 6111

      A Multi-Tiered Effort

      It will likely be a year or more until we know what technologies the Chinese will decide to go with for their national ID card. However, I think it is safe in assuming that all viable technologies will be tested and that the Chinese will want to go with the best possible combination of solutions.

      Today, there are many different basic technologies that any ID card can employ (in addition to simple photographs and text). There is the basic mag-stripe, the bar-code, solid-state technology (“smart” chips), radio-frequency technology (contactless) and optical technology (mainly supplied by one company: Drexler). In the very near future, UltraCard’s hard-drive technology will be added to that list.

      As of now, according to the PR’s in the sector, the Chinese are considering the use of standard smart cards (solid-state chip cards supplied by G&D and Siemens), contact-less technology (which Thales will assist in the implementation of) and the UltraCard. I would imagine that they will also use the mag-stripe technology that almost any card provider could supply them with. As I see it, it is likely that the Chinese will eventually decide to go with all four of these technologies on one card (it is certainly feasible to do so) in order to maximize the cards’ flexibility and to control costs.

      By using mag-stripe (and perhaps bar-code) technology, the cards will be able to interface with any readers that now only can read magnetic stripes (or bar-codes). It is also very likely that they will decide to use contact-less technology because of the time-efficiency (on the end-user’s side) that technology offers. When using a contactless card, one only has to place the card in the general proximity of a reader to have the relevant information-transfer occur. For transportation purposes this technology is particularly useful.

      It is next to certain that the Chinese will use smart chip technology on their cards. Chips offer a limited storage capacity, as well as information processing capabilities, which are essential for any sophisticated “smart” card.

      Now, if the Chinese decide to go with these three technologies (mag-stripe, contactless and smart chip) they will have to choose between many different companies and individual technologies. Certain companies are more adept at dealing with the problems inherent in designing contactless systems, others are better at smart chip or mag-stripe solutions . And within these sub-sectors, there are different technologies and approaches that the Chinese will surely want to test and evaluate. Hence, it is certain that many different companies will be involved in Chinese ID card pilot projects.

      However, if the Chinese decide to go with all four technologies they have already committed to in PR’s related to pilot projects, there is only one company they can go with for the fourth: UltraCard. I believe they will ultimately decide to use UltraCard’s technology as a key component of their ID cards for a variety of reasons, which are all related to the massive advantage that the UltraCard offers: memory capacity. I know I don’t have to reiterate here how massive that advantage is, but I will: the “Shanghai” UltraCard will contain 20,000,000 bytes of information as compared a smart chip card’s (at the very most, and very expensive) 128,000 bytes or a contactless card’s 8,000 bytes (at the most).

      So, if the Chinese desire a card that offers any real storage capacity at all, they will be forced to go with the UltraCard (unless they decide to go with Drexler’s optical card, which to me is unlikely considering reader-costs and other factors). This is especially true when you consider the following: a smart card chip that offers more than 16,000 bytes worth of memory becomes very expensive. I’m not sure exactly how expensive a 32,000 byte processing card is, but my guess is around $10 or $15. A 2k (2,000 byte) or 4k card is much less…in the $2 to $4 range (again, these figures depend on other factors [processing capabilities, software, etc], but I think these numbers are “in the ballpark”…if anyone knows otherwise, please correct me immediately). An UltraCard “shim” (the element of the card that contains the hard-disk material) will only add in the neighborhood of $0.5-$1.00 to each card. Thus, the cost-savings in memory is absolutely staggering.

      More than cost-savings, however, is the basic fact that in order to store sophisticated biometrics or other memory-intensive personal information (complete medical records, education records, etc.) the only option that the Chinese will have will be the UltraCard.

      Now, one might argue that the benefits of the UltraCard’s memory advantages are outweighed by the formidable obstacle of reader implementation. Smart Card readers are certainly less expensive than UltraDrives (UltraCard readers) will be. The latest estimate that I’ve heard place the UltraDrive in the $40-$100 range, whereas basic smart card readers, I believe, cost as little at $10. However, there are several issues to consider here. First of all, there will obviously have to be far fewer readers than cards. If you consider UltraCard’s announced order of 2,000,000 cards and 10,000 readers, and do the math, the cost of the readers are more than mitigated by the relatively memory-inexpensive cost of the cards.

      Beyond that, however, is that fact that at not all points of interface will the Chinese ID card require an UltraDrive, if my vision of the final Chinese ID card proves correct. At some places, only mag-stripe readers will be necessary. At others, only contactless or smart chip readers will be employed. Only at those places where relatively massive amounts of information will need to be processed or read will UltraDrives be necessary.

      As I see it then, the Chinese will eventually be forced to conclude that they must include UltraCard technology on their national ID card. Not only will it save costs for memory intensive applications, but it will also allow the Chinese government to build-in the capacity for more applications as the needs for these programs present themselves. And it won’t force them to adopt a new technology lock-stock-and-barrel, but allow them to integrate this new technology along with, and in a complimentary fashion to, current and time-tested technologies.

      We all know that as the digital revolution progresses so does the need for more memory. This basic fact will surely not be lost on the Chinese as they make their final decisions. I believe, in the end, the Chinese will conclude that their national ID card must contain at least four technologies: mag-stripe, contactless, smart chip, and UltraCard.

      This will surely mean that they will test many different technologies among the “lower rungs” of smart card offerings. And surely every contactless technology company (including software providers, systems integrators, hardware providers, etc.) will make a play at convincing the Chinese that their technology is the best. The same gold rush will be embarked upon by smart-chip card providers. And remember, one of those providers, G&D, already has the Macau project, is the premier microprocessor smart card company in the world, is a top systems integrator and software provider for smart cards, and will soon be partnered with UltraCard.

      At the end of the day, if the Chinese decide that they want to have a truly state-of-the-art smart card which is memory intensive and inexpensive, their ONLY option will be to use UltraCard technology. I have the feeling that G&D may have figured all this out already.

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      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:22:19
      Beitrag Nr. 10 ()
      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:06 AM EST Msg. 6111 of 6111

      A Few Final Thoughts

      With the recent G&D announcement, I can honestly say I’m more relaxed and confident about our prospects than I ever have been. I believe G&D will be of invaluable assistance in China, the rest of Asia and around the world. I know that it has been a tough road and that the share price is frustrating, but I believe our patience will be paid off in spades.

      When funding comes in, and I am convinced that it will after this G&D announcement, well then it’ll be time to celebrate. We’ve all been waiting a long time. But like ExpertAdvice, I really do believe it is close now.

      The writing is on the wall.

      :)

      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:22:30
      Beitrag Nr. 11 ()
      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:06 AM EST Msg. 6111 of 6111

      A Few Final Thoughts

      With the recent G&D announcement, I can honestly say I’m more relaxed and confident about our prospects than I ever have been. I believe G&D will be of invaluable assistance in China, the rest of Asia and around the world. I know that it has been a tough road and that the share price is frustrating, but I believe our patience will be paid off in spades.

      When funding comes in, and I am convinced that it will after this G&D announcement, well then it’ll be time to celebrate. We’ve all been waiting a long time. But like ExpertAdvice, I really do believe it is close now.

      The writing is on the wall.

      :)

      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:22:35
      Beitrag Nr. 12 ()
      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:06 AM EST Msg. 6111 of 6111

      A Few Final Thoughts

      With the recent G&D announcement, I can honestly say I’m more relaxed and confident about our prospects than I ever have been. I believe G&D will be of invaluable assistance in China, the rest of Asia and around the world. I know that it has been a tough road and that the share price is frustrating, but I believe our patience will be paid off in spades.

      When funding comes in, and I am convinced that it will after this G&D announcement, well then it’ll be time to celebrate. We’ve all been waiting a long time. But like ExpertAdvice, I really do believe it is close now.

      The writing is on the wall.

      :)

      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:22:36
      Beitrag Nr. 13 ()
      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:06 AM EST Msg. 6111 of 6111

      A Few Final Thoughts

      With the recent G&D announcement, I can honestly say I’m more relaxed and confident about our prospects than I ever have been. I believe G&D will be of invaluable assistance in China, the rest of Asia and around the world. I know that it has been a tough road and that the share price is frustrating, but I believe our patience will be paid off in spades.

      When funding comes in, and I am convinced that it will after this G&D announcement, well then it’ll be time to celebrate. We’ve all been waiting a long time. But like ExpertAdvice, I really do believe it is close now.

      The writing is on the wall.

      :)

      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:24:31
      Beitrag Nr. 14 ()
      ;)

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      By: reckon
      19 Feb 2002, 04:06 AM EST Msg. 6111 of 6111

      A Few Final Thoughts

      With the recent G&D announcement, I can honestly say I’m more relaxed and confident about our prospects than I ever have been. I believe G&D will be of invaluable assistance in China, the rest of Asia and around the world. I know that it has been a tough road and that the share price is frustrating, but I believe our patience will be paid off in spades.

      When funding comes in, and I am convinced that it will after this G&D announcement, well then it’ll be time to celebrate. We’ve all been waiting a long time. But like ExpertAdvice, I really do believe it is close now.

      The writing is on the wall.

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      :)

      MfG
      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:43:23
      Beitrag Nr. 15 ()
      ...und auf deutsch heißt das zusammengefasst was?...
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 11:53:53
      Beitrag Nr. 16 ()
      Daß das eigentlich im Chart-Thread nichts zu suchen hat :laugh:
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 13:32:53
      Beitrag Nr. 17 ()
      Mit Translatorprogramm übersetzt. Wurde von mir nicht vollständig gepüft aus Zeitgründen.
      Siehe englischen Text im UPGD Longs Board !


      Von: Reckon
      19 2002. Februar 04:07 ist EST Msg. 24858 von 24859

      Mehr Gedanken über China:

      Ich bin von vielen verständigt worden, wegen der jüngsten Thales Ankündigung und seine Bedeutungen für UPGD/UC. Ich dachte, daß ich einige der Gründe detaillieren würde. Ich bin insbesondere um diese Ankündigung nicht gesorgt, um zu vermeiden, mich in E-mails und Telefon-Anrufen zu wiederholen. Ich bitte um Verständnis, dies ist ein langer Post, aber ich glaube, daß es ein Stückchen von Analyse verdient.

      Zuerst von allen ist China ein riesiges Land, und das ID projiziert eine enorme Übernahme. Stellen Sie sich vor, wenn Sie werden, die verschiedenen staatlichen Agenturen und die Bürokraten, die wollen werden, ein Teil dieser Anstrengung zu sein, und wird das Prestige wollen, das mit dem Identifizieren von den Technologien und den Gesellschaften, die schließlich ein Teil der letzten ID Karte Lösung sein werden, betroffen wird. Es ist ein Land, nach allen, von vielen Provinzen und Fürstentümern werden, die eine Bevölkerung von über vier Malen das von der U.S. There haben, viele andere Pilot Projekte und viele andere Facetten zweifellos zu ihrer Suche für sein das “ideal” ID Karte.

      Zu mir, der Gedanke, den sie sich nur an einem Pilot Plan beteiligen würden, mit ein bis jetzt ungeprüfte und vollkommen neue Technologie und Gesellschaft, ist lieber naïve. Nein, es wird bestimmt viele Pilot Prüfungen geben, und viele Gesellschaften betrafen in ihnen.

      Nehmen Sie zum Beispiel, das NY Times Artikel, der neulich von ALJ betreffend das Hongkong Projekt angeklebt wird. Zuerst von allen erscheint es zu mir, daß der Autor des Artikels einen Fehler machte, indem er auf die Leser als das Sein bezog, “optisch”. Obwohl es eine kleine Chance gibt, die Drexler optische Technologie für dieses Projekt gewählt werden wird, als sie winzigen Vertrag mit einer Hongkong Ausbildung Agentur haben, hüpfen wir dieses offenbare Stückchen von Fehlinformation vorläufig

      Die unterst Linie ist, dieses Hongkong, wie Macau, wird kluge ID Karten bald prüfen. Hongkong hat nicht verkündet, wer die Karten produzieren wird, obwohl der Artikel vorschlägt, daß pazifisches Jahrhundert CyberWorks, “Hongkongs Flaggschiff-Telefon-Gesellschaft”, gewinnt vielleicht den Vertrag, vermutlich als der Haupt Systeme-integrator. Erinnern Sie sich sich, denn die Macau projizieren, Siemens wurde den Vertrag als Systeme-integrator verliehen, obwohl G&D das meisten vom Geld als der eigentliche Karte-Lieferant machen wird.

      Der Artikel gibt das Folgen an:

      “[Es ist möglich, daß dieses Projekt vielleicht sich ausdehnt,]… auf das chinesische Festland. China fordert schon von seinen 1.3 Milliarde Leuten, laminiert Identifikation-Karten zu tragen. Aber die Regierung ist eifrig, klug auszustellen
      Identifikation krempelt mit mehrfachen Verwendungen. Die Verwaltungen in Beijing haben hier Einwanderung-Beamte gefragt
      ob Hongkongs Karte als ein Modell für das Eigene des Festlandes dienen könnte.”

      Deshalb sehen einige staatliche Beamte das Hongkong Projekt schon als an ein “Pilot” für das chinesische nationale ID Karte Programm. Vermutlich wird Macau Projekt auch als solch angesehen werden. Das Hongkong Projekt ist von besonderem Interesse, weil Hongkong neulich eine britische Kolonie war, und also viel empfindsamer zu Fragen von persönlicher Privatsphäre und zivilen Freiheiten. Der Artikel geht weiter, um anzugeben:

      “Hongkongs getrennter Status hat hier Leute empfindsam zu irgendeiner Beeinträchtigung ihrer zivilen Freiheiten gemacht, besonders, weil die Stadt zu Chinas Kontrolle in 1997 zurückkam. Die öffentliche Debatte hier über der neuen ID Karte war lang und temperamentvoll. Wenn Profi-Demokratie-Gesetzgeber hoben, Privatsphäre geht an, Beamte stellten ihre ehrgeizigeren Vorschläge für die Karte ins Regal.

      Wie medizinische Informationen oder sogar Geld, auf der Identifikation-Karte, plant Hongkong jetzt, es zu Grund Verwendungen zu begrenzen, nach dem Floaten der Idee vom Lagern von anderen Fakten. Zusätzlich zu Einwanderung-Fakten wird der Chip Raum für eine Digitale Bescheinigung haben: eine elektronische Unterschrift, die gesetzliches Stehen hat und in verschlüsselt Form für Verwendung in elektronischem Handel übersandt werden kann.”

      Jetzt haben wir für etwas Zeit auf diesem Brett die verhältnismäßigen Verdienste vom UltraCard gegenüber traditionellen klugen Karte-Technologien diskutiert im Reich von persönlicher Privatsphäre und zivilen Freiheiten. Es ist sehr interessant zu sehen, wie diese Fragen das Hongkong Projekt beeinflußt haben, und ob sie Wirkung Beijing äußerst Entscheidung als zu welcher Technologie, mit zu gehen wollen. Wir wissen bestimmt, daß UltraCard Position bestimmt von irgendwelchen Sorgen über persönliche Privatsphäre verbessert wird, weil eine zentralisiert persönlich-Daten-Infrastruktur von UltraCard dramatischem Gedächtnis-Vorteil veraltet gemacht wird.

      In irgendeinem Ereignis ist der Punkt, den ich machen möchte, das, es gibt schon, in Wesen, zwei Pilot Programme für die chinesische nationale ID Karte schon in Stelle, außer UltraCard Piloten in Schanghai. Ein interessanter Punkt ist, daß für einen von ihnen, Macau, G&D wird die Karten bereitstellen. Wir wissen nicht als von noch wessen Karten, wird für Hongkongs benutzt werden, obwohl wir sehr bald hören sollten.

      Bei diesem Punkt ist das Thales Projekt viel vagr. Zuerst von allen wurde das PR schlecht und deshalb geschrieben, es war nicht klar, ob die Piloten, die es erwähnte, einfach benutzen werden, krempelt contactless oder “doppelt-Verbindungsfläche” contact/contactless-Karten. Meine Vermutung ist, vom Prophezeien des schwierigen PRS, daß sie doppelt-Verbindungsfläche-Karten sein werden. Weiterhin macht das PR keine Erwähnung von wenn oder wo die Piloten stattfinden werden, oder, wichtig zu uns, die die Karten machen werden. Thales ist kein Karte-Hersteller. Vom PR klingt es, als ob Thales ins Geben den Karten eine persönliche Note verwickelt werden wird, oder vielleicht splittern gerade die contactless ab, als das glaube ich, ist eine ihrer Spezialitäten. Aber vom Aussehen davon ist dies ein vorläufiger Vertrag gerecht, und die specifics sind weit weg von werdend geklappt.

      In Zusammenfassung bewegt das, das, wie wir wissen jetzt, dieses China ist, sich voraus mit seinem ID Karte Programm. Bei diesem Punkt gibt es vier Gesellschaften, die ihre Verwicklung öffentlich in Pilot-Programmen verkündet haben, oder Projekte, die als solch wahrgenommen werden könnten, (Macau und Hongkong): Thales, Siemens, G&D und UltraCard. Es sollte von keiner Überraschung zu jemandem sein, der es jetzt gibt, (und wird mehr in der Zukunft sein) viele andere Gesellschaften betrafen in diesem Projekt, der nach allen je die größte Übernahme im klugen Karte-Sektor.

      Dies ist das, was wir jetzt wissen. Mein nächster Post beschreibt, wie sich das nun alles zusammenspielt.
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 13:34:49
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      Sorry Krahmix, tut mir leid.

      Beim nächtenmal poste ich das im anderen Thread !!!

      :)


      Ulli
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 14:39:27
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      Halb so wild, Ulli ! Deshalb ja auch das :laugh:
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      schrieb am 19.02.02 16:54:08
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      O.k. unter 1,5$ darf der Kurs nicht fallen, sonst geht die Kurzfrist-Ampel auf :mad:
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      schrieb am 20.02.02 09:07:51
      Beitrag Nr. 21 ()
      Noch ist alles unverändert:

      Langfristig :D
      Mittelfristig :D
      Kurzfristig :cool:

      Wenn der RSI-Trend bricht, geht die Kurzfrist-Sicht auf :mad: , aber so weit sind wir noch nicht :)
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      schrieb am 20.02.02 22:12:51
      Beitrag Nr. 22 ()
      Eine kurze charttechnische Einschätzung würde mich sehr interessieren. Krahmix kennt ja meine Bedenken bei marktengen OTC BB Werten. M. E. sind Fundamentaldaten (auch fehlende) mindestens genauso kursrelevant.
      Gruß
      Rentner
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      schrieb am 20.02.02 22:22:45
      Beitrag Nr. 23 ()
      Folgt morgen, aber keine lange Arie, dafür ist ja jetzt die Ampel da.
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      schrieb am 21.02.02 07:49:42
      Beitrag Nr. 24 ()
      ...der kurzfristig andauernde aufwärtstrend ist jetzt damit wohl nach unten durchbrochen, oder?....
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      schrieb am 21.02.02 08:33:07
      Beitrag Nr. 25 ()
      So, liebe Charties :) gebt gut acht...

      Langfristig :D
      Mittelfristig :D wegen überzeugendem Abstand des Wochen-PPOs von seinem Trigger :) :D
      Kurzfristig :mad: da der RSI-Trend nach unten durchbrochen wurde.

      Daher ist anzunehmen, daß noch (1) schwache(r) Tag(e) kommen wird, da sonst kein Kurzfristumkehrsignal zu erwarten ist. Irgendwo zwischen 30 und 50 RSI-Punkten wäre das unwahrscheinlich.

      Folge: Bis 1,2$ kann es schon noch gehen.

      Sollte der Kurs weiter verfallen, bekommen wir ein Problem :eek: , bei dem ich Euch nicht mehr helfen kann :(

      Wenn sich eine Anlegergemeinschaft von ein paar läppischen Verkäufern mit 50-100.000 Stück an der Nase herumführen läßt, geschieht es uns vielleicht nicht anders...
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      schrieb am 21.02.02 18:15:30
      Beitrag Nr. 26 ()
      Mal schauen, wieviel Support der GD38 bietet. Bis jetzt sieht es ganz gut aus :)
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 10:30:03
      Beitrag Nr. 27 ()
      Der neueste Stand:

      Langfristig :D
      Mittelfristig :D
      Kurzfristig :cool: (der RSI-Trend wurde vor 2 Tagen nach unten durchbrochen und der Freitags-Schlußkurs hat den RSI wieder exakt an die Trendgerade herangeführt. Ein Durchbruch nach Norden wäre kurzfristig bullish zu beurteilen, ein Abprallen als Bestätigung des Durchbruchs nach Süden bearish).

      Schönes Wochenende,
      Krahmix :)

      P.S. Wir schalten jetzt um zu KK und FL, die wie immer ihren Senf dazu abgeben wollen
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 11:10:30
      Beitrag Nr. 28 ()
      Danke Krahmix.
      Gruß
      Rentner
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 14:07:17
      Beitrag Nr. 29 ()
      Gern geschehen ! :)
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 14:08:50
      Beitrag Nr. 30 ()
      :)
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:15:42
      Beitrag Nr. 31 ()
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:19:08
      Beitrag Nr. 32 ()
      :look:
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:20:45
      Beitrag Nr. 33 ()
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:22:38
      Beitrag Nr. 34 ()
      :laugh::kiss:
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:34:39
      Beitrag Nr. 35 ()
      :eek:
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:50:32
      Beitrag Nr. 36 ()
      Von mir aus kannst Du gerne mitmachen,Antigone,Du musst aber Krahmix fragen,ob es Ihm auch recht ist!:laugh:
      Gruss,Wunderlich:)
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:51:43
      Beitrag Nr. 37 ()
      und genau das trau ich mich nicht, du feinsinniger :laugh::laugh:
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 16:56:04
      Beitrag Nr. 38 ()
      Meinem Sohnemann ist das denke ich recht.:laugh:

      Gruß Gunsi;)
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 18:52:24
      Beitrag Nr. 39 ()
      @ gunsi
      wie alt ist der denn, der kleine? :laugh::laugh:
      nicht, dass ich meinen ruf gänzlich ruiniere :)
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 19:09:08
      Beitrag Nr. 40 ()
      Ihr macht mir Spaß, ehrlich ! :)

      Macht weiter so ! :kiss:

      Der Kleine ist 38 :)

      Merkt Euch das gut, es wird sicher bald wieder von einem meiner Spezl`n zitiert werden :eek:

      Anlage von Dossiers, da sind die echt spitze drin
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 19:35:21
      Beitrag Nr. 41 ()
      cm?:confused:Um Himmels Willen!:cry::cry::cry:
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      schrieb am 23.02.02 23:18:20
      Beitrag Nr. 42 ()
      .

      Neee oder; 38 cm :cry: :cry: :cry:

      Barbier :confused:

      .
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      schrieb am 24.02.02 02:10:46
      Beitrag Nr. 43 ()
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      schrieb am 24.02.02 10:57:44
      Beitrag Nr. 44 ()
      Zunächst würde man in Bayern sagen: Wer ko, der ko ;)

      Abgesehen davon habe ich auf Antigones Frage nach dem Alter geantwortet... :look:
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      schrieb am 24.02.02 11:14:15
      Beitrag Nr. 45 ()
      @antigone

      Wie er gsogt hot 38, is er mei Bu :laugh:

      Mein Sohn die begreifen das nicht tststs..:D

      Gruß Gunsi:)
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      schrieb am 24.02.02 12:09:08
      Beitrag Nr. 46 ()
      @ gunsi

      der name deines bu ist doch bestimmt Rüdiger:rolleyes:


      die hessen kennen den:laugh:


      gruss Jerome:)
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      schrieb am 24.02.02 12:12:05
      Beitrag Nr. 47 ()
      ich hätte da gerne mal ein probleme:laugh:
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      schrieb am 25.02.02 16:23:39
      Beitrag Nr. 48 ()
      Noch bleibt die Kurzfrist-Sicht auf :cool: , fragt sich nur, wie lange :D

      So nach meinen "Beruhigungslinien" :laugh: (O-Ton Islam) könnte dieser Aufwärtsschub bis ca. 2,5$ gehen :)
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      schrieb am 26.02.02 15:45:49
      Beitrag Nr. 49 ()
      Heureka ! :) Endlich habe ich den ultimativen UPGD-Indikator gefunden ! ;)

      Im Baumschulen-Thread gibt es einen Gastarbeiter, der als Endung seiner User-ID eine Zahl dranhängt. :cool:

      1, 2 und 3 hatten wir schon. Da der aktuelle Trailer (3) meinem nächsten Kursziel entspricht, ist noch alles im grünen Bereich.

      Nach Überschreiten dieser Marke werden wir aber wohl mal etwas nachhelfen müssen, um höhere Trailer passend zum nächsthöheren Kursziel anzulegen. :laugh:
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      schrieb am 27.02.02 21:21:17
      Beitrag Nr. 50 ()
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      schrieb am 27.02.02 21:26:28
      Beitrag Nr. 51 ()
      :laugh::laugh::laugh:
      Danke,gefällt mir,Gruss,Wunderlich:)
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      schrieb am 27.02.02 22:05:32
      Beitrag Nr. 52 ()
      zum kringeln :laugh:
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      schrieb am 27.02.02 22:48:25
      Beitrag Nr. 53 ()
      Na, da müßten wir aber die nächsten Tage von der unteren Trendlinie ganz schön abprallen. Ob das ohne News funktioniert???
      Rentner
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      schrieb am 01.03.02 00:54:32
      Beitrag Nr. 54 ()
      Es muss ja gar nicht ohne News funktionieren, die sind ja jetzt da :laugh: Ob es zu diesem hübschen Kringel kommt?

      Auf das es morgen schön abprallt
      nix
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      schrieb am 01.03.02 08:16:00
      Beitrag Nr. 55 ()
      Der Kringel ist der bereits bei AMD früher zu beobachtende sog. Krahmix-Überschlag, ein sehr selten beobachtetes Phänomen :laugh: , das aber als entscheidendes Signal für den 10.000% Gewinn in UPGD angesehen werden kann :look:
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      schrieb am 01.03.02 08:53:39
      Beitrag Nr. 56 ()
      :) Hallo alle,


      hier ist die heissersehnte News zu Upgrade:



      Upgrade Enters Into Debt Financing Agreement for Up to $15 Million

      2/28/2002 4:37:00 PM

      SEATTLE, Feb 28, 2002 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Upgrade International Corp. (UPGD) , an emerging leader in the development and commercialization of high capacity portable data storage technology, announced today that it has entered into a debt financing agreement with an institutional syndicator to obtain up to $15 million in working capital for Upgrade and its group of Companies.


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      The debt instrument is for a seven-year term with the principal due at maturity, and interest payable quarterly commencing in year three of the financing. The loan is secured by the issuance of 40 million shares of Company Stock, which will be issued under Rule 144A. These shares will carry a different CUSIP number from the Company`s Common Stock. These shares are restricted for a three year period, and can only be traded among qualified institutional investors. Upon repayment of the credit facility, the shares are to be returned to the Company. Contained in the agreement is the stipulation that the voting rights of the 40 million shares by way of proxy will be voted in proportion with the existing shareholder base. The Company also retains the right to substitute the collateral after 18 months of the credit facility has transpired.

      After consultation with the Company`s accountants, management concluded that in accordance with Statement of Financial Accounting Standards No. 128, Earnings Per Share, the shares issued as collateral will be considered contingently returnable shares, and will therefore, not be included in the earnings-per-share calculations or as outstanding, in as much as these shares are held for collateral purposes only and are required to be returned to the Company.

      The OTC:BB has indicated that if shares are traded between qualified institutional investors under Rule 144A, these shares will not be included in the reported days volume activity.

      In addition, Upgrade has agreed to place 5,000,000 common shares under Rule 506 of Regulation D with the syndicator, as a reserve for private placements, at market, with investors as designated by the syndicator. These shares of common stock have not been registered under the Securities Act of 1933 and may not be offered or sold in the United States absent registration or an applicable exemption under registration requirements.

      Daniel Bland, President, Upgrade International stated. "We believe that securing this facility clearly demonstrates confidence and optimism in Upgrade`s technology, products, management team and growth potential, particularly given the current challenging economic environment."

      Howard Jaffe, Upgrade`s COO and CFO, added, "Moreover, this financing will help expedite our ability to transition from a development stage company to full-scale commercialization."

      This disclosure is not an offer of securities or a solicitation of an offer to by securities. Placements will be made only to accredited investors.

      About Upgrade

      Upgrade International Corp. (www.upgd.com) through its ownership interest in UltraCard Inc. (www.ultracard.com), cQue Corporation and EforNet Corporation is engaged in the development and commercialization of a patented ultra high-capacity portable data storage technology. UltraCard`s patented method for using existing hard disk storage technology provides both highly durable media in a credit card format and an inexpensive read/write device that together will become the next generation in personal portable data storage for a broad range of existing and new markets. Management believes that the UltraCard technology will potentially provide numerous industrial users with a combination of high levels of security and a vastly greater amount of personal transportable data storage at the lowest cost in the industry. In addition the acquisition and development of existing SmartCard solution providers represents a strategic market strategy designed to accelerate the integration of the vastly superior technology inherent in the UltraCard into existing and newly developing markets.

      On Behalf of the Board of Directors, Daniel S. Bland President and Chief Executive Officer
      Except for any historical information presented in this document, the matters discussed in this News Release contain "forward looking statements" (as such term is defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995). These statements can be identified by the use of forward-looking terminology such as "believes", "expects", "may", "will", "intends", "should", or "anticipates" or the negative thereof or other variations thereon or comparable terminology, or by discussions of strategy that involve risks and uncertainties. The safe harbor provisions of Section 21B of the Securities Exchange Act or 1934, as amended, and Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, apply to forward-looking statements made by the Company. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties. The actual results that the Company achieves may differ materially from any forward-looking statements due to such risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations, and the Company assumes no obligation to update this information. Readers are urged to carefully review and consider the various disclosures made by the Company`s other reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that attempt to advise interested parties of the risks and factors that may affect the Company`s business. Further information about the risks and uncertainties Upgrade faces can be found in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which can be accessed at http://www.sec.gov/ or http://www.freedgar.com/.

      CONTACT: Upgrade International Daniel Bland or Howard Jaffe, 206/903-3116 Fax 206/903-3117 ir@upgd.comURL: http://www.businesswire.comToday`s News On The Net - Business Wire`s full file on the Internetwith Hyperlinks to your home page.
      Copyright (C) 2002 Business Wire. All rights reserved.



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      Nun müsste es aber endlich aufwärts gehen.


      Gruss
      :)WAlex
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      schrieb am 15.03.02 10:22:51
      Beitrag Nr. 57 ()
      @ Kramix

      hy du sagst gar nix, iss wohl erst mal asche mit dem grünen Bereich

      :confused:
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      schrieb am 19.03.02 17:45:46
      Beitrag Nr. 58 ()
      @nighflight,

      charties sind nur gut solange nix schiefgeht :laugh: dummerweise geht bei dieser aktie alles schief. :) ein trost hätt ich da noch:

      der nächste aufwärtstrend kommt. ganz bestimmt :D
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      schrieb am 20.03.02 16:21:09
      Beitrag Nr. 59 ()
      Schätze, wir werden sehr bald wieder 80-100% zulegen.
      Von 0,50 auf 1,00 Dollar. :laugh: :laugh:
      Rentner
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      schrieb am 20.03.02 17:11:33
      Beitrag Nr. 60 ()
      Rentner,
      warum findest du das komisch ?
      Ich kann leider deinen Humor nicht nachvollziehen!
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      schrieb am 20.03.02 17:30:43
      Beitrag Nr. 61 ()
      Joe..
      das war nur eine Antwort auf FL. Und nennen wir es lieber Galgenhumor. Mehr bleibt uns bei diesem Trauerspiel (Kursverlauf) ja auch nicht übrig.
      Rentner


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