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    Diskussion zum Thema Silber (Seite 50)

    eröffnet am 23.04.05 14:56:42 von
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    keepitshort
    schrieb am 04.09.05 13:43:09
    Beitrag Nr. 491 (17.780.786)
    Text u. Graphik
    http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/lofberg090305.html

    commercial_positions_short_all (red-line = ca. -75.000)
    silver-cot
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    Karl99
    schrieb am 06.09.05 23:45:54
    Beitrag Nr. 492 (17.807.304)
    WEEKLY COMMENTARY

    September 6, 2005

    Every Picture Tells A Story

    By Theodore Butler

    (This essay was written by silver analyst Theodore Butler, an independent consultant. Investment Rarities does not necessarily endorse these views, which may or may not prove to be correct.)

    Even though there is almost too much to write about in silver, I have to force myself to do so, given the overwhelming enormity of the nation’s greatest natural disaster. It seems shallow to write about silver in light of this tragedy. My heart goes out to those suffering and my admiration to those helping. This will be a long recovery process and we must all do what we can to help our fellow Americans. While many seem preoccupied with assigning blame, I doubt that is constructive. What would be constructive would be for those of us who are not victims to count our blessings and pitch in and help on any way possible.

    That would certainly include sharing any material bounty that might come our way by virtue of silver investment gains. Based upon recent developments, those gains might be closer than otherwise expected. The first development is in the market structure, as defined by the Commitment of Traders Report (COT).

    The most recent silver COT was shockingly bullish. Every category exhibited positive changes, but the standout was the stunning increase in the tech funds’ short position, which doubled to an extreme not seen in a couple of years. It appears the recent shakeout in silver just may be the final one, as the tech funds’ apparently took the dealers’ bait and fully committed to the short side.

    Not only was there an increase in the large tech funds’ existing short positions, but there was also a notable increase in the number of tech funds jumping on the short side of silver. Since these brain dead tech funds stand absolutely no chance of delivering actual silver against their short positions, it’s just a matter of when and at what price they rush to buy back these shorts. Make no mistake; there was nothing accidental about the recent sell-off to new lows in silver. It was designed to lure the tech funds onto the short side. A more bullish COT structure is hard to imagine.

    It appears that the dealers have succeeded in transferring a sizable portion of the short liability to the hapless tech funds. The funds are potentially trapped. Now we await the resolution. As always, the price action will depend upon how aggressive the dealers are in selling short on the next rally. If they don’t short aggressively, the price of silver will explode. If the dealers do short aggressively on the next rally, the gains will be much more subdued.

    In gold, there was a large improvement in the just-reported COT report on the sharp price decline below the 50 moving average on the last reporting day, Tuesday, August 30. But even with this improvement the gold market structure can hardly be labeled as bullish, particularly when considering the subsequent deterioration from the cut-off. It’s still a case of the gold COTs being in dangerous territory, while silver is in a spectacularly bullish configuration. As mentioned previously, it is an unprecedented dichotomy.

    As exciting and important as the COT market structure may be, it is not the only noteworthy development in silver. There were also unusual developments in warehouse stock movements and the first few days’ deliveries in the big September COMEX contract. On two days, over 4 million ounces of silver were brought in to the COMEX warehouses. While many still assume an increase in COMEX inventories is bearish, I don’t agree. This silver was brought in because it had to be brought in, to satisfy delivery demands. If there was available silver to deliver readily in the warehouses already, more wouldn’t be brought in. Certainly, the price action seemed to confirm and did not negate my bullish interpretation, as price rose strongly immediately after the inventory addition.

    The actual number of deliveries over the first few days were the largest in more than a year, also confirming overall physical silver demand. More importantly, the largest stopper, or taker of deliveries, was none other than AIG, who had virtually disappeared from COMEX silver delivery dealings, after long dominating such activities.

    Those are the facts; now I’d like to speculate. Recently, I wrote that I noticed a significant increase in the commercials’ gross long position and remarked how that could indicate coming physical delivery demands. In trying to guess which commercials might be responsible for these new long positions, I must admit I did not think of AIG first.

    My first thoughts were it could be preparatory silver buying for the pending silver ETF. After all, the quantities and timing of the unusual commercial buying seemed to coincide with the filing of the preliminary prospectus for the Barclays’ silver ETF. The buying commenced within days of the June 17th filing of the prospectus. Now, I know the silver ETF may never be approved, as I wrote in "The Coming Silver ETF?" but a close reading of the prospectus indicates that Barclays can not issue shares in the silver ETF, even if approved, without first owning and possessing actual silver.

    Therefore, Barclays cannot wait for regulatory approval before making arrangements to get the real silver. It must have a decent quantity of silver in place before regulatory approval, as the announcement of approval alone, if it comes, will impact the price of silver. I still think the silver ETF will be bullish for silver whether it is approved or not, because it will prove how scarce real silver is in either event. Either ETF buying (or conversion from futures to actuals) will propel silver upward, or the denial by regulators will only come because they know the real silver doesn’t exist to back the fund. The denial of even a single silver ETF will prove to all just how rare silver is compared to gold, where many ETFs haven’t impacted the price. Even the most casual observer will have to conclude that silver is much rarer than gold if the regulators deny even one measly silver ETF, compared to the many in gold, no matter what the spin.

    I still think the silver ETF may be behind some of the commercial futures buying, and note with interest that, if true, it highlights how the COMEX is where silver must be bought, as there is very little silver available in London or elsewhere. After all, why buy under the relative glare of COMEX transparency, when you can do so in the much more secretive London or Zurich venues? Especially when the prospectus calls for London storage.

    But the sudden appearance of AIG as the major delivery stopper, after such a long and conspicuous absence, creates another possibility. (Izzy, my silver Godfather, from the start of the unusual commercial buying, favored this other possibility even before AIG’s name turned up in the delivery process). Considering the regulatory hot water that AIG has found itself in over the past year or so, this is one corporation that you can be sure is walking the legal straight and narrow. It is inconceivable that AIG would do anything cute at this particular time. For them to show up as a notable silver delivery participant after all their legal troubles and past allegations by me of wrongdoing in the silver market, means AIG has a compelling reason to do so.

    This is speculation on my part (actually on Izzy’s part), but the compelling reason why AIG must take delivery of silver is because it is obligated to do so, by virtue of prior lease obligations to Red China. Quite simply, China may want its silver back and AIG must return it. AIG is procuring it from the COMEX, also in the full glare of transparency, as that is the last remaining place to get quantities of silver. If this speculation is close to being true, you can be sure that the quantities of silver needed to be returned involve a lot more silver than the 8.5 million ounces of silver taken by AIG in the first few days of the September delivery.

    Maybe it’s for the ETF, maybe it’s for lease returns by AIG, or maybe it’s both, but if this is why the commercials are buying silver futures in unusual quantities, this puts real pressure on the physical market for silver. It promises continued delivery pressure in the future. Combined with the extreme COT readings, this is a very volatile and bullish brew. With silver still below the primary cost of production, it is not a time to be shy about being on the long side.

    On a personal note, I’ve fallen badly behind on my e-mails. I read them all, but haven’t been able to respond to many, particularly those requiring detailed responses. If you don’t mind, please resend your note if you really need a response.
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    humm
    schrieb am 07.09.05 07:24:59
    Beitrag Nr. 493 (17.809.156)
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    noch-n-zocker
    schrieb am 08.09.05 14:44:13
    Beitrag Nr. 494 (17.828.475)
    Also wenn ich sehe, wie Silber die jüngste leichte Dollarerholung gemeistert hat, da werde ich schon wieder ganz unruhig :)

    Das Einzige, was an Butler`s Kommentar stört ist, dass wir die "Mutter aller Chancen" in den letzten 2 Jahren schon recht häufig gesehen haben. Aber die Bärenfalle war wirklich eine Meisterleistung (sorry Mysti) und bei meiner Meinung über Fondsmanager will ich gerne glauben, dass die da zu Dutzenden reingetappt sind. Unser Board-Basher Arts macht den Computer schon gar nicht mehr an. :laugh:
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    humm
    schrieb am 08.09.05 14:59:16
    Beitrag Nr. 495 (17.828.673)
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    Mystifikator
    schrieb am 08.09.05 15:10:06
    Beitrag Nr. 496 (17.828.842)
    [posting]17.828.475 von noch-n-zocker am 08.09.05 14:44:13[/posting]Wieso sorry ? :confused:
    Schimpf lieber tüchtig mit mir, damit mir so was nicht nochmal passiert. :cry: :D

    Mystis neues Zuhause:

    :( :( :(

    Mystis neues Fahrzeug:

    :cry: :cry: :cry:

    Viele Grüsse
    Mysti
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    noch-n-zocker
    schrieb am 08.09.05 16:35:17
    Beitrag Nr. 497 (17.830.377)
    [posting]17.828.842 von Mystifikator am 08.09.05 15:10:06[/posting]:laugh::laugh::laugh:

    Ich hab mir gerade zum x-ten Mal einen Put auf den Bund-Future gekauft. Wenn das wieder in die Hose geht, kannste mich als Untermieter vormerken (und mit mir schimpfen!)
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    keepitshort
    schrieb am 08.09.05 17:48:00
    Beitrag Nr. 498 (17.831.480)
    http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_05/droke090705.html

    you can creat that chart at www.bigcharts.com
    gold-line=goldprice
    Below you`ll see the Dow Jones REIT Index chart(black). After a scary pullback to test the dominant interim 90-day trend line in August, the REITs appear to have recovered and are on their way to re-testing the highs made in late July and early August. As you know, the REITs are an important measure of the internal health of the real estate market and are to a large degree a leading indicator for the broad U.S. property market. Note how well the gold price correlates to the price trend of the Dow Jones REIT Index since the inflation-driven market trends began in earnest in the second quarter of 2003.
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    Arts
    schrieb am 08.09.05 19:48:15
    Beitrag Nr. 499 (17.832.847)
    hallo noch n zocker...

    klar mach ich den compi noch an.

    wenn du meine postings für absolutionen hälst, hast du dich getäuscht. ich bin menschlicher art, fehlerhaft, jedoch interessiert an meinungsaustausch der sich durchaus auch in provozierender weise gestalten darf.

    bez. butler; für butler ist der markt seit 20 jahren einer verschwörung ähnlich manipuliert. und ? vielleicht ist er es die nächsten 20 jahre auch noch, wer weiss das denn schon. ich glaube in diesem fall nicht an eine verschwörungstheorie in butlerschen sinne. natürlich ist der markt manipuliert. alle märkte sind manipuliert im sinne von gesteuert. die fed macht das mit den zinsrethorik, die us regierung mit ihren statistiken, unsere politiker mit ihren wahlplakaten...

    die hoffnung auf den grossen knall beim silberpreis und durchbruch nach oben durch auflösen der butlerschen diskrepanz ist naiv. die beschriebene diskrepanz von butler ist überzogen und stellt den grashalm dar, an den wir uns halten, wenn wir sonst keine erklärung für einen wunsch haben, der nicht in erfüllung geht.

    ich bin in mehrjährigen horizonten auch bullish für den silberpreis, er wird seinen weg gehen, jedoch erst, wenn wir die ersten (massiven) währungsprobleme beim us dollar sehen (Inflation, nicht deflation..) und sie auch von der breiten masse wahrgenommen werden,die ihre unsicherheit durch kauf emotionaler sachwerte (gold, silber) beruhigen wollen. bis dahin vergehen m.M. nach noch mind. 3-4 jahre. bis dahin soll der theodore noch seine reports schreiben.

    noch was zu meinem von dir genannten basher beitrag.

    ich reden von investieren und chance/risikoverhältnissen. das bedeutet eine strategie mit entsprechender technik zu haben. beim reinstellen meines postings war der preis bei 6.83, er fiel am 30. august zwischen 16.00 und 17.00 bis auf 6.63. bei konstantem nachziehen der stopps wären etwa 15 cents möglich gewesen. mom. steht der preis bei 6.97....und ich stehe immer noch dazu....der silberpreise hat den süden noch nicht richtig gesehen.

    attribute wie glück, zufall, hoffnung, eventualitäten sind mir beim investieren eher unsympahtisch.

    zocken übrigens auch, es hat sowas hilfloses an sich.


    dein board basher arts
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    humm
    schrieb am 08.09.05 20:51:46
    Beitrag Nr. 500 (17.833.569)
    Hallo Arts,

    >> der silberpreise hat den süden noch nicht richtig gesehen. <<

    wo liegt er deiner Meinung nach?




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