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guten Morgen @ Alle.............:-)
Das ist doch schon eine gute Meldung obwohl das Jahoo board die meldung zwiegespalten urteilt.
Leben wohl hinter dem M...ond............Aussagen aus Jahoo:
WArum sollte jemand wenn das Auto nur 2000 $ wert ist 7000 $ bezahlen.........?......Wann beginnt die E-bay auktion usw.
Die haben vergessen,daß 2800 Filialen existieren,in den gegenden wie californien usw,wo JPM und Wels ein auge drauf geworfen haben,und die 50 MRD....cash plus die Deposits 140 MRD.
Shorts sind in der Zwickmühle...die müssen covern,ob es ihnen schmeckt oder nicht.Da werden wir einen squezze erleben,der sich gewaschen hat.Ich nehme an das JPM das Rennen machen wird,haben ja schon einmal 8 $ im März geboten,und davon gehe ich aus.
Abwarten,was heute passiert....geschickter Schachzug von Fishmann .Wird Spannend heute und morgen,vielleicht kriegen die den DEal ja übers Wochenende auf die Reihe.
Ich will es hoffen für uns Alle..........:-)
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HENNEP
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 35.162.946 von Thewatcherone am 18.09.08 09:16:30o.k hast wohl recht.
Ich drücke Dir die Daumen das Du dein Ziel erreichst.
Danke TL
Ich drücke Dir die Daumen das Du dein Ziel erreichst.
Danke TL
selbst ein Nobelpreisträger könnte dir das nicht sagen...hier spielt im Moment wohl nur noch der menschliche Faktor eine Rolle. Wie übrigens schon seit Tagen...und übrigens bin ich auch kein "Experte"....der Begriff wird leider auch sehr inflationär verwendet...DU ALLEIN solltest Dir eine Meinung bilden,wenn auch der Herdentrieb schon ein Mächtiger ist dieser Tage...
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 35.162.707 von Thewatcherone am 18.09.08 09:03:35das klingt nicht sehr zuversichtlich. Ist denn davon auszugehen das der Kurs heute und morgen steigen wird ?
Ich Frage weil ich mich noch nicht so gut auskenne.
Gruß,
TL
Ich Frage weil ich mich noch nicht so gut auskenne.
Gruß,
TL
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wenn sich jemnand zum Verkauf "anbiedert",und davon ist ja nun fast auszugehen,kannst Du Dir vielleicht selber ausmalen,dass es nicht sooo weit vom jetzigen Kurs weg sein sollte....das Paradoxe,dass sich die Lage "erst" mit fallemden Aktienkurs verschlechtert hat...Stichwort ratings,höhere Kosten etc....man wird sehen. Man kann denke ich ohne paranoid zu klingen behaupten,dass die Ratingagenturen vermutlich auch ein gewisses "Eigeninsteresse" haben und nicht im eigentlichen Sinne frei sind.
Da existieren Seilschaften und mit dem richtigen Vitamin B kann man es der Konkurrenz sehr schwer machen....Börse ist und bleibt eben ein Haifischbecken
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 35.162.489 von wgumcd am 18.09.08 08:50:32ja, würde mich auch interessieren........
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 35.162.489 von wgumcd am 18.09.08 08:50:32wie war den deine schätzung ?
gruß,
tl
gruß,
tl
verkauf schön und gut, ich würde bloß gerne wissen zu welchem preis...
habt ihr ne vorstellung, meine schätzungen der letzten wöchen treffen wohl kaum mehr zu!
gruß
habt ihr ne vorstellung, meine schätzungen der letzten wöchen treffen wohl kaum mehr zu!
gruß
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 35.160.739 von BRBa am 18.09.08 05:24:39WM:US
Washington Mutual Inc
WaMu's Biggest Shareholder Waives Compensation Pact (Update3)
By Ari Levy
Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Washington Mutual Inc., the savings and loan that lost half its market value in two weeks, removed a $1.5 billion obstacle to a potential acquisition, as Chief Executive Officer Alan Fishman accelerates efforts to sell all or parts of the lender.
WaMu said today that TPG Inc., the Seattle lender's biggest shareholder, waived its right for compensation from WaMu's sliding stock price. TPG would have gotten paid if WaMu raised more than $500 million or sold itself in the 18 months after TPG's investment in April. WaMu this week began an auction run by Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the New York Times said today.
The waiver revived speculation WaMu, which rebuffed a March takeover offer by JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon, is preparing a sale. The lender, which faces up to $19 billion in mortgage-related losses over the next 2-1/2 years, replaced longtime CEO Kerry Killinger, 59, this month with Alan Fishman, 62, and its credit rating was cut to junk by Standard & Poor's.
``TPG is acknowledging that they invested too soon,'' said Gary Townsend, CEO of Hill-Townsend Capital LLC in Chevy Chase, Maryland. ``It sounds as though WaMu is negotiating with someone to sell itself.''
WaMu spokesman Brad Russell declined to comment.
Eliminating the clause makes a potential acquisition or capital infusion cheaper, because TPG, led by David Bonderman, 65, will no longer get $8.75 a share, the price it paid. TPG, which has a 13 percent stake, has lost about three-quarters of the value of its investment as WaMu shares tumbled in the past five months.
`Flexibility'
TPG, based in Fort Worth, Texas, led a $7 billion investment in WaMu in April, buying shares for 33 percent less than their market value at the time. TPG owns $2 billion of the shares, with a group of other investors owning the rest.
``Our goal is to maximize the bank's flexibility in this difficult market environment,'' TPG said in a statement today.
Goldman, which advised WaMu on the TPG investment, declined to comment through spokeswoman Andrea Rachman. JPMorgan spokesman Joseph Evangelisti also declined to comment. JPMorgan is among potential bidders, the Times said, as is Wells Fargo & Co. ``Our experience is to do much smaller deals and we tend to have a much longer period as well,'' Bruce Helsel, head of corporate development at Wells Fargo, said at a conference in Boston yesterday.
JPMorgan Rebuffed
WaMu rebuffed a JPMorgan offer that it valued at about $4 a share, choosing the TPG investment instead. WaMu's shares have skidded 79 percent since then.
Investors soured on WaMu on concern mounting losses from subprime and option adjustable-rate mortgages would force the bank to raise more capital, diluting existing holders' stakes. WaMu said last week it doesn't need to raise more money.
``WaMu drank too heavily from the trough during the mortgage boom, and there's a lot of sludge left at the bottom,'' said Len Blum, managing director at Westwood Capital LLC, a New York-based investment bank. ``They're sitting with a lot of bad exposure.''
The bank said last week it had $143 billion in retail deposits, unchanged from a year earlier and down 4.4 percent from June, and $50 billion of cash. WaMu is ``well capitalized'' with $50 billion in liquidity, the bank says.
Branch `Footprint'
WaMu rose 17 cents, or 8 percent, to $2.18 in late trading in New York. The shares have tumbled 85 percent this year, the biggest decline in the 24-member KBW Bank Index.
WaMu has 2,300 branches, mostly on the West Coast and in Florida. Morgan Stanley analyst Betsy Graseck wrote in a Sept. 14 report that JPMorgan would benefit from gaining a presence in the West and Southeast.
``The value of this company is the branches they have, the geographic footprint, their market share on the West Coast, their market share in the New York area,'' said Steven Picarillo, an analyst at DBRS Inc. in New York. ``That would make the company very marketable and very attractive to certain suitors.''
Killinger created the biggest U.S. savings and loan by buying banks and home lenders across the nation in the past decade. Losses began rising last year as subprime borrowers, faced with falling home prices and rising unemployment, were unable to repay their mortgages.
To contact the reporters on this story: Ari Levy in San Francisco at alevy5@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 17, 2008 18:18 EDT
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Washington Mutual Inc
WaMu's Biggest Shareholder Waives Compensation Pact (Update3)
By Ari Levy
Sept. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Washington Mutual Inc., the savings and loan that lost half its market value in two weeks, removed a $1.5 billion obstacle to a potential acquisition, as Chief Executive Officer Alan Fishman accelerates efforts to sell all or parts of the lender.
WaMu said today that TPG Inc., the Seattle lender's biggest shareholder, waived its right for compensation from WaMu's sliding stock price. TPG would have gotten paid if WaMu raised more than $500 million or sold itself in the 18 months after TPG's investment in April. WaMu this week began an auction run by Goldman Sachs Group Inc., the New York Times said today.
The waiver revived speculation WaMu, which rebuffed a March takeover offer by JPMorgan Chase & Co. CEO Jamie Dimon, is preparing a sale. The lender, which faces up to $19 billion in mortgage-related losses over the next 2-1/2 years, replaced longtime CEO Kerry Killinger, 59, this month with Alan Fishman, 62, and its credit rating was cut to junk by Standard & Poor's.
``TPG is acknowledging that they invested too soon,'' said Gary Townsend, CEO of Hill-Townsend Capital LLC in Chevy Chase, Maryland. ``It sounds as though WaMu is negotiating with someone to sell itself.''
WaMu spokesman Brad Russell declined to comment.
Eliminating the clause makes a potential acquisition or capital infusion cheaper, because TPG, led by David Bonderman, 65, will no longer get $8.75 a share, the price it paid. TPG, which has a 13 percent stake, has lost about three-quarters of the value of its investment as WaMu shares tumbled in the past five months.
`Flexibility'
TPG, based in Fort Worth, Texas, led a $7 billion investment in WaMu in April, buying shares for 33 percent less than their market value at the time. TPG owns $2 billion of the shares, with a group of other investors owning the rest.
``Our goal is to maximize the bank's flexibility in this difficult market environment,'' TPG said in a statement today.
Goldman, which advised WaMu on the TPG investment, declined to comment through spokeswoman Andrea Rachman. JPMorgan spokesman Joseph Evangelisti also declined to comment. JPMorgan is among potential bidders, the Times said, as is Wells Fargo & Co. ``Our experience is to do much smaller deals and we tend to have a much longer period as well,'' Bruce Helsel, head of corporate development at Wells Fargo, said at a conference in Boston yesterday.
JPMorgan Rebuffed
WaMu rebuffed a JPMorgan offer that it valued at about $4 a share, choosing the TPG investment instead. WaMu's shares have skidded 79 percent since then.
Investors soured on WaMu on concern mounting losses from subprime and option adjustable-rate mortgages would force the bank to raise more capital, diluting existing holders' stakes. WaMu said last week it doesn't need to raise more money.
``WaMu drank too heavily from the trough during the mortgage boom, and there's a lot of sludge left at the bottom,'' said Len Blum, managing director at Westwood Capital LLC, a New York-based investment bank. ``They're sitting with a lot of bad exposure.''
The bank said last week it had $143 billion in retail deposits, unchanged from a year earlier and down 4.4 percent from June, and $50 billion of cash. WaMu is ``well capitalized'' with $50 billion in liquidity, the bank says.
Branch `Footprint'
WaMu rose 17 cents, or 8 percent, to $2.18 in late trading in New York. The shares have tumbled 85 percent this year, the biggest decline in the 24-member KBW Bank Index.
WaMu has 2,300 branches, mostly on the West Coast and in Florida. Morgan Stanley analyst Betsy Graseck wrote in a Sept. 14 report that JPMorgan would benefit from gaining a presence in the West and Southeast.
``The value of this company is the branches they have, the geographic footprint, their market share on the West Coast, their market share in the New York area,'' said Steven Picarillo, an analyst at DBRS Inc. in New York. ``That would make the company very marketable and very attractive to certain suitors.''
Killinger created the biggest U.S. savings and loan by buying banks and home lenders across the nation in the past decade. Losses began rising last year as subprime borrowers, faced with falling home prices and rising unemployment, were unable to repay their mortgages.
To contact the reporters on this story: Ari Levy in San Francisco at alevy5@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 17, 2008 18:18 EDT
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