Diskussion zum Thema Silber (Seite 7518)

[silverfreaky]

Aber ich.Die Fräcker sind hoch verschuldet.Die Amis müssen manipulieren sonst fliegen ihnen wieder 700 Milliarden kredite um die Ohren.

Oder hat jetzt über Nacht der Verbrauch um 15% angezogen?

Ein Schwachsinn das man nur noch lachen kann.

[Keilfleckbarbe]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 50.512.023 von macvin am 28.08.15 17:33:59

Barrick hat 13 Milliarden USD Schulden !!!!

Angesichts des niedrigen Goldpreises und der hohen Finanzierungskosten wird Barrick nicht in der Lage sein, Schulden über den Cashflow zu reduzieren.

Die Analysten bei Moody´s gehen davon aus, dass die Asset-Verkäufe durch Barrick nicht ausreichen werden, um die Schulden des Konzerns angemessen zu reduzieren. Der Hauptknackpunkt ist dabei der Goldpreis, der auf einem Fünf-Jahres-Tief notiert. „Eine deutliche organische Schuldenreduzierung ist unwahrscheinlich und die Produktion wird in den kommenden Jahren rückläufig sein“, sagt Darren Kirk von Moody´s.


Fast die gesamte Minenbranche ist in Besitz der Banker, deshalb wird die Förderung auch nicht gesenkt, sondern immer weiter gesteigert. Die Banken lassen sich ihre Goldunzen auszahlen und halten so den Markt unten

[keepitshort]

erst ein short-squeeze für alle die beim Ölpreis short sind

aber bei Silber sind die Short-Postitionen noch viel extremer als beim Öl

und der Silberpreis verhält sich ähnlich wie der Ölpreis

die hedge-funds
die Silberminen monatelang mit short-positionen quälten
werden jetzt gequält
so ein Hedge-Fonds
kann auch mal chapter-11 also Insolvenz anmelden

das der Ölpreis so kräftig dreht hätte ich nicht gedacht.

[Keilfleckbarbe]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 50.512.050 von iam57 am 28.08.15 17:38:31

Zitat von iam57: Ist schon interessant zu Beobachten...wieso kann der Ölpreis innerhalb von 2 Tagen fast 15 % zulegen. Silber schafft es maximal auf 4-5 % in den letzten Jahren, an 1-2 Tagen. Kann man so was am Chart ablesen...oder wird da ebenfalls manipuliert....Öl ist doch auch nur ein Rohstoffwert....wie war das nochmal mit der Bodenbildung...

Vielleicht weil Silber derzeit einfach Mist ist und tiefer fallen soll ?
Du hast vollkommen Recht, Silber läuft absolut miserabel. Öl traue ich es zu schnell auf alte Hochs zu steigen, Silber nicht

[keepitshort]

sorry hab einfach zuviel kopiert

[Keilfleckbarbe]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 50.512.023 von macvin am 28.08.15 17:33:59

Schau dir Barrick an, da sagen die Banken was die zu tun und zu lassen haben bei den Schulden....

und deshalb fördern die seit Jahren nur noch Statistikunzenm zum Schaden der Anleger

[keepitshort]

Jetzt nenn doch mal Ross und Reiter: welcher Minenwert gehört komplett oder in grossen Teilen den Banken? Das ist bis dato nur Dampfgeplauder.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoJ9Vb82cV4 HSBC Purchases $3.65 Billion Worth of Silver ?

www.google.com HSBC KGHM
http://www.goldcore.com/goldcore_blog/silver-bars-being-secu…
HSBC Buying KGHM Silver Bars 
HSBC has quietly moved into acquiring large amounts of silver bullion.
The bank (HSBC) has secured another deal to buy silver bars from KGHM which brings their total purchases of silver from KGHM alone in the last 12 months to $876 million or PLN 3.65 billion.
KGHM is one of the largest producers of silver in the world and is the second-largest producer of refined silver in the world.
They produce silver bars registered under the brand KGHM HG that are attested to by “Good Delivery” certificates issued by the London Bullion Market Association and the Dubai Multi Commodities Centre.
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Silver Daily, 2010-1013 – (Bloomberg)
Listed metals producer KGHM signed an estimated PLN 1.67 billion deal on 2013 sales of silver to HSBC, KGHM said in a market filing yesterday.
The deal puts the total value of deals between KGHM and HSBC in the last 12 months to PLN 3.65 billion or $876 million, the filing read.
The Management Board of KGHM announced that on 21 January 2013 a contract was entered into between KGHM and HSBC Bank USA N.A., London Branch for silver sales in 2013. 
The estimated value of the contract is PLN 1,672,260,469.66. As a result of entering into this contract, the total estimated value of contracts entered into between KGHM and HSBC Bank USA N.A., London Branch over the last 12 months exceeded 10% of the equity of the Company (KGHM) and amounts to PLN 3,654,120,061.59.
The highest-value contract signed during this period is the above-mentioned contract. The criteria used for describing the contract as significant is that the total estimated value of the contracts exceeds 10% of the equity of KGHM.
KGHM is one of the largest companies in Poland and one of the largest mining & metallurgy companies in the world. 
The main customers of Polish silver in recent years have been the United Kingdom, Germany and Belgium.  HSBC appears to be one of their main customers now.
Respected and erudite, James Steel, the chief commodity analyst at HSBC Securities (USA) Inc. continues to be bullish on silver and recently said how “silver tends to track gold, except it over performs in a bull market”  and how he was “moderately bullish on silver” in 2013.
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HSBC did not comment on the deal and it only came to light as KGHM is a listed company and had to report the deal which was then picked up in Polish media. 
The massive deal could simply be HSBC securing supply for the NYSE listed ETFS Physical Silver as they are the custodian.
Or it could be that senior people in HSBC are concerned about securing supply as they expect robust investment demand to continue and possibly increase resulting in higher prices.

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http://www.arabianmoney.net/gold-silver/2013/01/24/hsbc-buys…
HSBC buys silver bars worth $876 million from Polish producer KGHM in the past 12 months
Bullion bank HSBC has quietly snapped up silver bars costing $876 million over the past 12 months, filings by the seller KGHM have revealed in the Polish press as reported by GoldCore today (click here). These bullion bars are verified by certification issued by the London Market Association and Dubai Multi Commodities Centre.
Why the British HSBC bank bought so much silver is a mystery as the bank will not comment on such deals. But it has just placed another huge order for 2013 valued at around $250 million.
Biggest buyer
This makes HSBC the largest customer of KGHM. The disclosure was forced because the purchase exceeded 10 per cent of the equity value of the Polish company. KGHM is among the largest bullion producers in the world and one of Poland’s largest companies.
HSBC may require the silver to supply the NYSE listed ETFS Physical Silver of which it is custodian. Demand for silver exchange traded products has surged in recent months. Or this could be a proprietary investment in bullion by the bank for its own trading desk. There is no talk of giving out silver bars as bank bonuses this year.
However, this clearly marks an increase in investment demand for silver (Hans: silver-coins, American Silver Eagle) and that can only come in competition with demand from industrial processes for the shiniest of metals. The supply of silver is relatively fixed as it is mainly a byproduct of mining copper and zinc and seldom produced independently.
Stocks running out?
Stocks of sliver are believed to be very low around the world because it has been so cheap for years that production has stayed below consumption. At some stage a supply scare is going to push the price of silver much higher. HSBC may be preparing for just that and ironically be one of the causes by its huge bullion buying.
There are rumors that the latest Apple iMac production line is running late because of inadequate supplies of silver. Computers and mobile phones use a lot of silver in their circuit boards. That sounds like nonsense but the truth could be that a silver shortage is in the pipeline, and where are those iMacs?
Could that be why HSBC is stocking up with silver bars now?
Posted on 24 January 2013
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http://moneymorning.com/2013/01/24/is-there-any-truth-to-rum…
The press release continued, "As a result of entering into this contract, the total estimated value of contracts entered into between KGHM Polska Miedź S.A. and HSBC Bank USA N.A., London Branch over the last 12 months exceeded 10% of the equity of the Company and amounts to PLN 3,654,120,061.59 [$1,163.7 million]."
Coming on top of news earlier this week that the U.S. Mint had temporarily run out of Silver Eagle coins and that the iShares Silver Trust (NYSE: SLV) had added 18.4 million ounces of silver to its holdings, nearly as much as the 20.8 million ounces added during all of 2012.
Together, these events have triggered rumors of a looming silver shortage – is it so?
Physical Silver vs. Paper Silver
Many of the rumors talk about the relationship between physical silver-actual silver bullion-and paper silver, which is the silver that exists only on paper in the form of exchange-traded funds (ETFs) or futures contracts.
Some market observers have speculated that there isn't enough physical silver currently available to make delivery to all of the owners of silver futures, which would result in a "default" by the Comex where the silver contract is traded.
This would be a major disruption to trading in silver, gold and other hard commodities. The price of physical silver, gold or other contract deliverables would spike higher until there was enough of the underlying commodity to satisfy demand from the futures market.
But is this likely to happen? According to Kitco, a major London-based bullion broker, this is not likely at all.
Kitco Senior Analyst John Nadler at Kitco said in a video interview that there are 207 million ounces of surplus silver overhanging the markets. "…it's fairly sizable and it is a quantity that needs to be absorbed in one way or another either by ETFs or by physical purchases or else we will have a price problem."
Referring to the suspended sales of U.S. Silver Eagle coins, Nadler said,"…there is absolutely no shortage of material to make these types of coins. It's simply a question of fabrication capacity."
What Does this Mean for Silver Prices?
Clearly, silver has been in a down trend since rising above $48 an ounce back in the spring of 2011.
At today's price of $31.18, silver seems to be in a fairly narrow trading range between support around $30.75 and resistance in the area of $32.50. This price action would seem to confirm Nadler's observation that there is still a lot of silver overhanging the market.
But, as the bulls will tell you, new silver production has been muted because of the lower price and, with deals like HSBC's purchase form KGHM, it is only a matter of time before the surplus is worked off and prices start to rise again.
Silver bulls also cite increased industrial production in China as a reason for higher silver prices.
As Money Moneyng explained Wednesday, "China's industrial use of [silver] has rocketed higher, no doubt due to China's nearly uninterrupted economic growth over the past 20 years… China's offtake from fabrication demand grew from just 48.7 million ounces in 2000 to 159.5 million ounces in 2011…This represents a 12% annual increase during that period."
Money Morning precious metals guru, Peter Krauth, is forecasting silver at $54 an ounce during 2013.
If we take into account the 18.4 million ounces of silver purchased by the iShares ETF and KGHM's silver supply contracts with HSBC-worth an estimated 36.4 million ounces at today's price-a large chunk of Kitco's silver overhang has disappeared in just one week. And that has got to be bullish for silver prices.
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What does HSBC know about silver?
23rd January 2013
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2013/01/23/what-does-hsbc-kn…
Silver has now rallied for seven days because of the flood of inflows into silver backed ETFs and investment demand for coins and bars internationally. Analysts polled by Reuters expect silver to rise in 2013.
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2013/01/23/what-does-hsbc-kn…&page=2
Holdings of iShares Silver Trust, the world's largest silver ETF, stood at 10,689 tonnes on Jan. 22, up 604.9 tonnes, or nearly 6%, from the end of 2012.
By comparison, SPDR Gold Trust, the world's top gold ETF, saw an outflow of nearly 15 tonnes so far this year. 
This has helped silver prices rally more than 6% so far this year and 4.5% last week alone. The close above $32/oz yesterday was bullish technically and could lead to silver testing the next level of resistance, which is at $34/oz.
The U.S. Mint has sold out of 2013 American Eagle silver coins and will resume sales the week of Jan. 28 when the U.S. Mint said inventory would be replenished.
Chinese silver turnover surged to 2,200 tonnes on Friday and analysts say Chinese investor’s interest in silver is continuing to rise as many are looking at silver as a cheaper alternative to gold. 
Hence, trading volumes for the precious metal on the SGE soared in 2012.
Silver bullion imports by China remain robust too. Silver imports were 228 metric tons in December, according to data released by the customs agency.
There are also rumors that Apple is experiencing delays in producing the new iMac due to difficulty in sourcing industrial silver in volume in China. More silver than is typically used is utilized in the new 21.5" Apple iMacs. 
HSBC has quietly moved into acquiring large amounts of silver bullion.
The bank has secured another deal to buy silver bars from KGHM, which brings their total purchases of silver from KGHM alone in the last 12 months to $876 million or PLN 3.65 billion.
KGHM is one of the largest producers of silver in the world and is the second-largest producer of refined silver in the world.
They produce silver bars registered under the brand KGHM HG that are attested to by “Good Delivery” certificates issued by the London Bullion Market Association and the Dubai Multi Commodities Centre.
http://www.resourceinvestor.com/2013/01/23/what-does-hsbc-kn…&page=3
Listed metals producer KGHM signed an estimated PLN 1.67 billion deal on 2013 sales of silver to HSBC, KGHM said in a market filing yesterday.
The deal puts the total value of deals between KGHM and HSBC in the last 12 months to PLN 3.65 billion or $876 million, the filing read.
The Management Board of KGHM announced that on Jan. 21, 2013 a contract was entered into between KGHM and HSBC Bank USA N.A., London Branch for silver sales in 2013. 
The estimated value of the contract is PLN 1,672,260,469.66. As a result of entering into this contract, the total estimated value of contracts entered into between KGHM and HSBC Bank USA N.A., London Branch over the last 12 months exceeded 10% of the equity of the Company and amounts to PLN 3,654,120,061.59.
The highest-value contract signed during this period is the above-mentioned contract. The criteria used for describing the contract as significant is that the total estimated value of the contracts exceeds 10% of the equity of KGHM.
KGHM is one of the largest companies in Poland and one of the largest mining and metallurgy companies in the world. 
The main customers of Polish silver in recent years have been the United Kingdom, Germany and Belgium.  HSBC appears to be one of their main customers now.
Respected and erudite, James Steel, the chief commodity analyst at HSBC Securities (USA) Inc. continues to be bullish on silver and recently said how “silver tends to track gold, except it over performs in a bull market”  and how he was “moderately bullish on silver” in 2013.
HSBC did not comment on the deal and it only came to light as KGHM is a listed company and had to report the deal, which then was picked up in Polish media. 
The massive deal could simply be HSBC securing supply for the NYSE listed ETFs’ Physical Silver as they are the custodian.
Or it could be that senior people in HSBC are concerned about securing supply as they expect robust investment demand to continue and possibly increase resulting in higher prices.
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[prallhans]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 50.512.050 von iam57 am 28.08.15 17:38:31

Shortsqueeze vs nicht Shortsqueeze.

[iam57]

Ist schon interessant zu Beobachten...wieso kann der Ölpreis innerhalb von 2 Tagen fast 15 % zulegen. Silber schafft es maximal auf 4-5 % in den letzten Jahren, an 1-2 Tagen. Kann man so was am Chart ablesen...oder wird da ebenfalls manipuliert....Öl ist doch auch nur ein Rohstoffwert....wie war das nochmal mit der Bodenbildung...

[macvin]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 50.511.753 von Keilfleckbarbe am 28.08.15 17:07:58

Grosse Minenwerte haben nicht nur eine Mine sondern mehrere. Da kann man schon mal eine vorübergehend stilllegen.

Jetzt nenn doch mal Ross und Reiter: welcher Minenwert gehört komplett oder in grossen Teilen den Banken? Das ist bis dato nur Dampfgeplauder.

Natürlich produziert eine Stilllegung Kosten, ebenso wie die Wiederinbetriebnahme. Förderung unterhalb der Rentabilitätsschwelle produziert auch Kosten/Verluste.

Der kleine, aber feine Unterscheid bei einer Stilllegung besteht darin, dass man die Unzen nicht unter Wert wegschmeißt. Die bleiben im Boden. Da verrotten sie nicht. Keine Reduzierung der Reserven. Die werden später bei höheren Preisen gefördert und verkauft.