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Bis Lee's Letter ankommt gibt es anderes wichtiges zu lesen, wie zum Beispiel von BP den Energie Outlook 2030.
Empfehlenwert besonders wegen der Aussagen zu Kohle, aber auch zu den anderen unwichtigeren Energieträgern! Allein das Bevölkerungswachstum (ca 8,6 Mrd) wird den Energiebedarf steigern, ...poppen für Thermal-Kohle?
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_u…
Empfehlenwert besonders wegen der Aussagen zu Kohle, aber auch zu den anderen unwichtigeren Energieträgern! Allein das Bevölkerungswachstum (ca 8,6 Mrd) wird den Energiebedarf steigern, ...poppen für Thermal-Kohle?
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_u…
Zitat von Alfa-Romeo: Bernie ist Dir langweilig ?
Ja es war, aber der Schnee ist beseitigt und die kleinen Kurs-Türme bei beiden Aktien werden wieder im Chart gezeigt.
Heute habe ich den guten Rat befolgt und einen strammen 14 km Spaziergang gemacht. Mein Puls war enorm gut
Hoffen wir das der Kurs auch bald enorn steigt.
Am Freitag möchte ich gern mal andere Türme sehen
DRAFT MINERALS LAW DISCUSSION THE FIRST STEP IN RIGHT DIRECTION OF AN UNCERTAIN JOURNEY TO ADDRESS SIGNIFICANT “DISCONNECTS” BETWEEN MONGOLIA AND INVESTORS
January 22, 2013
Highlights of Events
The Office of the President of Mongolia hosted a discussion on the draft Minerals Law on January 18th, 2013. A draft of the proposed Law has been available on its website since December 7th, 2012 and the event was the first formal consultation with key stakeholders.
The President’s Chief of Staff, Head of draft Minerals Law Working Group Mr. P. Tsagaan chaired the discussion. Mr. Tsagaan provided the opening and closing addresses in front of an audience of an estimated 250 people, including a significant local media presence. Members of the Working Group responsible for the draft Law presented key items of the proposed 145 Articles. Attendees were then splits into four groups: Civil Society/NGO’s (30%); Mining Industry (30%); Academia (15%); and, State organizations representatives (15%), with the remaining 10% of attendees being the independent observes. Direct feedback and concerns from these groups was presented after which the floor was opened up to Q&A.
Mr. Tsagaan and the Working Group went to repeated efforts to emphasize that business and politics are separate when it comes to the draft Law and that they are looking to engage in an active consultation process to refine and improve the draft. It was reiterated that the proposed Law is not connected in any way to the June 2013 Presidential election. It was highlighted by many that the new Minerals Laws will only be second to Mongolia’s constitution in terms of importance to the economy and its people.
Timing of the implementation of the proposed Law would depend on the most appropriate and correct version of the Law (even if that takes years). It was widely acknowledged from many stakeholders that the current draft has significant areas of ‘uncertainty’ and key issues that would make it unworkable.
Following the event the President’s Office is welcoming feedback from stakeholders, particularly those in the mining industry and investors (in both cases both local and foreign), seeking constructive criticism and suggested improvements/revisions to the current draft.
Other notable developments during the previous week include:
i. Uncertainty reflected in Chinggis Bonds (refer to exhibit A) – Ahead of the President’s Office meeting with stakeholders the recently issued US$1.5b Sovereign Bond issue fell from 100.21 on January 7, 2013 to 97.95 as of January 22, 2013. The price move again highlights the importance of the draft Law, the markets significant risk aversion to uncertainty and an increasing awareness of, and reaction to, Mongolian developments in the international markets. Recent comments from Government officials are that Mongolia will look to issue more international debt in six to 12 months.
ii. Immediate future of TT in doubt – Erdenes Tavan Tolgoi (‘TT’) has halted exports to China after failing to pay a company that provides logistical support. Furthermore, TT is reportedly seeking a US$400-500m government loan to repay debt, fund working capital and build infrastructure. Current truck haulage operations are uneconomic with reported opex of $61/t relative to the current price of $53/t. It is believed TT is seeking to renegotiate the terms of its supply agreement with Chalco signed in July 2011, to increase the price and lower the volumes. TT’s financial position, the funding requirements and the current coal environment raises significant queries regarding the Mongolian Federal 2013 budget and any medium term potential for an Initial Public Offering. It is widely viewed that if TT was to be subject to the draft Minerals Law that its economic viability and ability to IPO would be further significantly negatively impacted.
iii. More funding needed for OT - Rio Tinto is said to be hosting a site visit to Oyu Tolgoi (‘OT’) in the last week of January for the various bankers and investors in connection with the anticipated project financing for the development of the underground operation. Commercial production from initial open pit operations remains on track for 2Q’13. According to OT estimates 80% of wealth generated from the mine will come from the yet unfunded underground operations in 2020.
Origo Partners View
§ While it was unrealistic that specific concerns regarding the proposed draft Minerals Law would be answered in such an initial public forum, the event was undoubtedly a first encouraging step forward in a much needed consultation, interaction and communication process.
§ The Office of the President went on public record stating its intent to actively seek consultation with the industry/stakeholders, that the draft Law is not motivated by the forthcoming election, and that there is no proposed timeline for finalization until concerns of all stakeholders are addressed.
§ However, we note a significant “disconnect” and misunderstanding between positions, beliefs and convictions of the taskforce and Mongolian authorities and that of the exploration/mining industry and investors. We stress that this “disconnect” not only pertains to draft Minerals law, but to a wider debate in Mongolia about what constitutes ‘fair business’ with foreign investors in general, be it Oyu Tolgoi Investment Agreement or Boroo Stability Agreement. Tax/audit and Law on Lawyers issues illustrate that “disconnect” is reaching epidemic proportions in key sectors fundamental to the growth of the free market and investment in Mongolia. Without understanding each other, it is of no surprise that investors and industry in Mongolia are feeling as if they are being attacked from many angles.
§ We are getting more convinced the draft Minerals law in the essence is the Investment Agreement between state of Mongolia and all mining and exploration investors ex-OT with all the ramifications thereof.
§ Both the taskforce and the industry now face a substantial challenge to connect this significant “disconnects” and bring closer the positions. In our view, the industry now faces an unknown, and most likely prolonged, period of uncertainty that the major weaknesses, and specific Articles of concern, of the draft Law can and will be addressed. This will continue to impact immediate exploration, development and investment activities.
§ We note that the proposed open consultative process will take great leadership from all stakeholders and there will be significant challenges facing both the process and ability to improve the current draft Law into workable framework for all stakeholders. However, we reiterate that the discussion is a first step in right direction in a long and uncertain journey.
January 22, 2013
Highlights of Events
The Office of the President of Mongolia hosted a discussion on the draft Minerals Law on January 18th, 2013. A draft of the proposed Law has been available on its website since December 7th, 2012 and the event was the first formal consultation with key stakeholders.
The President’s Chief of Staff, Head of draft Minerals Law Working Group Mr. P. Tsagaan chaired the discussion. Mr. Tsagaan provided the opening and closing addresses in front of an audience of an estimated 250 people, including a significant local media presence. Members of the Working Group responsible for the draft Law presented key items of the proposed 145 Articles. Attendees were then splits into four groups: Civil Society/NGO’s (30%); Mining Industry (30%); Academia (15%); and, State organizations representatives (15%), with the remaining 10% of attendees being the independent observes. Direct feedback and concerns from these groups was presented after which the floor was opened up to Q&A.
Mr. Tsagaan and the Working Group went to repeated efforts to emphasize that business and politics are separate when it comes to the draft Law and that they are looking to engage in an active consultation process to refine and improve the draft. It was reiterated that the proposed Law is not connected in any way to the June 2013 Presidential election. It was highlighted by many that the new Minerals Laws will only be second to Mongolia’s constitution in terms of importance to the economy and its people.
Timing of the implementation of the proposed Law would depend on the most appropriate and correct version of the Law (even if that takes years). It was widely acknowledged from many stakeholders that the current draft has significant areas of ‘uncertainty’ and key issues that would make it unworkable.
Following the event the President’s Office is welcoming feedback from stakeholders, particularly those in the mining industry and investors (in both cases both local and foreign), seeking constructive criticism and suggested improvements/revisions to the current draft.
Other notable developments during the previous week include:
i. Uncertainty reflected in Chinggis Bonds (refer to exhibit A) – Ahead of the President’s Office meeting with stakeholders the recently issued US$1.5b Sovereign Bond issue fell from 100.21 on January 7, 2013 to 97.95 as of January 22, 2013. The price move again highlights the importance of the draft Law, the markets significant risk aversion to uncertainty and an increasing awareness of, and reaction to, Mongolian developments in the international markets. Recent comments from Government officials are that Mongolia will look to issue more international debt in six to 12 months.
ii. Immediate future of TT in doubt – Erdenes Tavan Tolgoi (‘TT’) has halted exports to China after failing to pay a company that provides logistical support. Furthermore, TT is reportedly seeking a US$400-500m government loan to repay debt, fund working capital and build infrastructure. Current truck haulage operations are uneconomic with reported opex of $61/t relative to the current price of $53/t. It is believed TT is seeking to renegotiate the terms of its supply agreement with Chalco signed in July 2011, to increase the price and lower the volumes. TT’s financial position, the funding requirements and the current coal environment raises significant queries regarding the Mongolian Federal 2013 budget and any medium term potential for an Initial Public Offering. It is widely viewed that if TT was to be subject to the draft Minerals Law that its economic viability and ability to IPO would be further significantly negatively impacted.
iii. More funding needed for OT - Rio Tinto is said to be hosting a site visit to Oyu Tolgoi (‘OT’) in the last week of January for the various bankers and investors in connection with the anticipated project financing for the development of the underground operation. Commercial production from initial open pit operations remains on track for 2Q’13. According to OT estimates 80% of wealth generated from the mine will come from the yet unfunded underground operations in 2020.
Origo Partners View
§ While it was unrealistic that specific concerns regarding the proposed draft Minerals Law would be answered in such an initial public forum, the event was undoubtedly a first encouraging step forward in a much needed consultation, interaction and communication process.
§ The Office of the President went on public record stating its intent to actively seek consultation with the industry/stakeholders, that the draft Law is not motivated by the forthcoming election, and that there is no proposed timeline for finalization until concerns of all stakeholders are addressed.
§ However, we note a significant “disconnect” and misunderstanding between positions, beliefs and convictions of the taskforce and Mongolian authorities and that of the exploration/mining industry and investors. We stress that this “disconnect” not only pertains to draft Minerals law, but to a wider debate in Mongolia about what constitutes ‘fair business’ with foreign investors in general, be it Oyu Tolgoi Investment Agreement or Boroo Stability Agreement. Tax/audit and Law on Lawyers issues illustrate that “disconnect” is reaching epidemic proportions in key sectors fundamental to the growth of the free market and investment in Mongolia. Without understanding each other, it is of no surprise that investors and industry in Mongolia are feeling as if they are being attacked from many angles.
§ We are getting more convinced the draft Minerals law in the essence is the Investment Agreement between state of Mongolia and all mining and exploration investors ex-OT with all the ramifications thereof.
§ Both the taskforce and the industry now face a substantial challenge to connect this significant “disconnects” and bring closer the positions. In our view, the industry now faces an unknown, and most likely prolonged, period of uncertainty that the major weaknesses, and specific Articles of concern, of the draft Law can and will be addressed. This will continue to impact immediate exploration, development and investment activities.
§ We note that the proposed open consultative process will take great leadership from all stakeholders and there will be significant challenges facing both the process and ability to improve the current draft Law into workable framework for all stakeholders. However, we reiterate that the discussion is a first step in right direction in a long and uncertain journey.
Tja, was soll man sagen, hatte schon ein bisschen gehofft, dass der letter heute raus kommt. Auch wenn er vermutlich nur Durchhalte-Parolen enthält.
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 44.043.404 von platinbaron am 21.01.13 08:32:14Moin,
da Du auch guter Dinge bist und die ausstehenden Meldungen bald hier zusehen sind und der Knoten bald platzt
sehen wir auch bessere Kurse.
Du bestätigst mit deiner Meldung mein gutes Gefühl für die nächsten Wochen
Gruß Berni
da Du auch guter Dinge bist und die ausstehenden Meldungen bald hier zusehen sind und der Knoten bald platzt
sehen wir auch bessere Kurse.
Du bestätigst mit deiner Meldung mein gutes Gefühl für die nächsten Wochen
Gruß Berni
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Guten Morgen.
Laut der Twitter-Seite von Prophecy wird ja dann wohl heute der Update-Letter von John Lee veröffentlicht !
Das wurde dazu am Freitag gewittert:
Finalizing PCY update today and over the weekend. -30 in Mongolia
Wenn man der erst vor kurzem erschienenen, also aktuellen Präsentation glaubt, müsste auch das lang ersehnte PPA in den nächsten 1 1/2 Wochen abgeschlossen werden.
Chris Ackermann hat mir letzte Woche auf Nachfrage bestätigt, daß die in der Präsentation genannte Zeitschiene aktuell und realistisch ist und er die Daten so von John Lee bekommen hat.
Hoffen wir mal, daß die mongolische Regierung als Vertragspartner da auch mitspielt und es nicht zu weiteten Verzögerungen kommen wird.
Zeitlich passend zum PPA kommen dann wahrscheinlich auch noch Bohrergebnisse bei NKL, angekündigt für Ende Januar/Anfang Februar. Auch das sollte bei PCY aufgrund der Beteiligung von aktuell 37,5 % (siehe neu veröffentlichtes factsheed von NKL) kursunterstützend wirken.
Ich für meinen Teil bin guter Dinge und denke, daß der Knoten nun bald platzt und wir die momentane Unterbewertung bald ad acta legen können.
Laut der Twitter-Seite von Prophecy wird ja dann wohl heute der Update-Letter von John Lee veröffentlicht !
Das wurde dazu am Freitag gewittert:
Finalizing PCY update today and over the weekend. -30 in Mongolia
Wenn man der erst vor kurzem erschienenen, also aktuellen Präsentation glaubt, müsste auch das lang ersehnte PPA in den nächsten 1 1/2 Wochen abgeschlossen werden.
Chris Ackermann hat mir letzte Woche auf Nachfrage bestätigt, daß die in der Präsentation genannte Zeitschiene aktuell und realistisch ist und er die Daten so von John Lee bekommen hat.
Hoffen wir mal, daß die mongolische Regierung als Vertragspartner da auch mitspielt und es nicht zu weiteten Verzögerungen kommen wird.
Zeitlich passend zum PPA kommen dann wahrscheinlich auch noch Bohrergebnisse bei NKL, angekündigt für Ende Januar/Anfang Februar. Auch das sollte bei PCY aufgrund der Beteiligung von aktuell 37,5 % (siehe neu veröffentlichtes factsheed von NKL) kursunterstützend wirken.
Ich für meinen Teil bin guter Dinge und denke, daß der Knoten nun bald platzt und wir die momentane Unterbewertung bald ad acta legen können.
wird eine zusammenfassung sein. mit ausblick. eventuell versehen mit einem aufruf zur nachsicht, bezüglich der timeline.
hast ja recht sebaldo. aber wer verspricht sich was von dem lee text ?
wird nicht die heilsversprechung sein, richtig ?
hast ja recht sebaldo. aber wer verspricht sich was von dem lee text ?
wird nicht die heilsversprechung sein, richtig ?
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 44.042.536 von likeshares am 20.01.13 17:21:13Es sollte eigentlich bekannt sein, dass wichtige Firmennachrichten nicht mit einem Jahresbrief bekannt gegeben werden dürfen, sondern nur mit einer Pflichtmitteilung (hier: TXS-News).
Deshalb ist der Jahresbrief für mich - so er denn überhaupt kommt - nicht wirklich interessant.
Deshalb ist der Jahresbrief für mich - so er denn überhaupt kommt - nicht wirklich interessant.
was für ein kanal.
wow.
ich kann nur sagen.. tiefer kann die aktie nicht fallen. schlechte aussichten würden den wert nicht tiefer als 9 euro cent fallen lassen. zuviele investoren würden nachkaufen. die chancen risiko verteilung hält den wert dort wo er momentan ist.
wir sind gut aufgestellt und warten ab.
- haben schon lange genug abgewartet.
neal_ae
wow.
ich kann nur sagen.. tiefer kann die aktie nicht fallen. schlechte aussichten würden den wert nicht tiefer als 9 euro cent fallen lassen. zuviele investoren würden nachkaufen. die chancen risiko verteilung hält den wert dort wo er momentan ist.
wir sind gut aufgestellt und warten ab.
- haben schon lange genug abgewartet.
neal_ae
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 44.042.008 von berni40 am 20.01.13 11:50:59Zum Chart, bleibt nur Zustimmung!
Der kurzfristige Abwärtstrend und der mehr als zwei Jahre währende übergeordnete Abwärtskanal wurden an der selben Stelle nach oben durchbrochen. Mit dem Ausbruch hat der Kurs die 50 Tagelinie hinter sich gelassen. Jetzt fehlt nur noch der fundamentale Grund dafür.
Lee's Jahresbrief wird es wohl nicht sein, ...außer es würden dringend erwartete Neuigkeiten darin zu lesen sein?
Der gute Stockhouse poster hätte sich viel Arbeit sparen können, wenn er die NPV's zum KKW und der Kohlemine bemüht hätte. Inflationsbereinigt kommt da sogar etwas mehr heraus, man sollte aber nichts übertreiben!
Der kurzfristige Abwärtstrend und der mehr als zwei Jahre währende übergeordnete Abwärtskanal wurden an der selben Stelle nach oben durchbrochen. Mit dem Ausbruch hat der Kurs die 50 Tagelinie hinter sich gelassen. Jetzt fehlt nur noch der fundamentale Grund dafür.
Lee's Jahresbrief wird es wohl nicht sein, ...außer es würden dringend erwartete Neuigkeiten darin zu lesen sein?
Der gute Stockhouse poster hätte sich viel Arbeit sparen können, wenn er die NPV's zum KKW und der Kohlemine bemüht hätte. Inflationsbereinigt kommt da sogar etwas mehr heraus, man sollte aber nichts übertreiben!
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