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BlackBerry Co-Founders Lazaridis, Fregin Consider Takeover By Hugo Miller & Katia Dmitrieva Oct 11, 2013
BlackBerry (BBRY) Ltd. co-founder Mike Lazaridis’s potential bid for the struggling smartphone maker would face a battle for financing with Canadian investor Prem Watsa, who’s looking to take it private with his own buyout. Lazaridis, who invented the BlackBerry smartphone and jointly ran the business until last year, said yesterday he’s hired Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) to help him explore a bid for the Waterloo, Ontario-based company. He’s working on the effort with fellow BlackBerry founder Doug Fregin, who used to run the company’s operations. Enlarge image BlackBerry Ltd. Co-Founder Mike Lazaridis BlackBerry Ltd. Co-Founder Mike Lazaridis. Photographer: Aaron Harris/Bloomberg BlackBerry Co-Founders Consider Takeover Bid1:30 Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) -- BlackBerry co-founders Mike Lazaridis and Douglas Fregin said they are considering a takeover offer for the struggling smartphone maker. Jon Erlichman reports on Bloomberg Television's "Money Moves." (Source: Bloomberg) Sponsored Links Buy a link An offer would compete with a $4.7 billion proposal from Watsa’s Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd. (FFH), BlackBerry’s biggest shareholder, which is seeking partners to help finance a buyout. Fairfax unveiled its offer on Sept. 23, though it hasn’t named additional backers or announced financing for the purchase. “Here’s a competing transaction that’s going to look out for financing the same way that Fairfax is out looking for financing,” said Catharine Sterritt, a Toronto-based risk arbitrage strategist at Bank of Nova Scotia. “It doesn’t make any sense to me that these guys will end up competing.” Lazaridis’s prospective bid got a muted response from investors. The stock climbed just 1.1 percent yesterday in New York, even as the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index rose 2.2 percent. As of 10:20 a.m. today, the shares have fallen 0.8 percent to $8.14 -- below the tentative bid of $9 a share from Fairfax. For Sale BlackBerry put itself up for sale after years of losing ground to Apple Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co. (005930) The company posted a 45 percent plunge in sales last quarter and a $965 million loss, dragged down by unsold inventory of its latest smartphones. In a filing yesterday, the co-founders said their goal was “stabilizing and ultimately reinventing the company based on a plan developed by them.” The two men aren’t available for interviews, said Mike Sitrick, a spokesman who runs the firm Sitrick & Co. Getting the money to finance a bid may not be easy, said David Cockfield, a fund manager with Northland Wealth Management in Toronto. “It’s a tough business to be in,” said Cockfield, whose firm manages about C$225 million ($217 million), including a small amount of BlackBerry shares. Lazaridis “has to find someone who has the belief and is willing to write him some large checks,” he said. Centerview Partners In addition to Goldman Sachs, Centerview Partners LLC is serving as an adviser to Lazaridis and Fregin. The New York-based firm advised Silver Lake Management LLC, which helped finance Dell Inc.’s $24.9 billion buyout. That deal was approved by shareholders approved last month. For either prospective bidder, finding the help of a large buyout firm may be challenging. BlackBerry has been shopped to Blackstone Group LP and KKR & Co., and both private-equity firms passed, people with knowledge of the matter have said. Silver Lake said last month that it looked at taking a stake in BlackBerry and decided against it. “We don’t have enough confidence to underwrite what the business plan will look like,” Michael Bingle, a managing partner at the firm, said Sept. 27 at a conference in New York. “When you don’t have that confidence, it’s tough to really pursue this opportunity.” Fairfax isn’t working with Lazaridis and Fregin, said a person with knowledge of the matter, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. John Varnell, vice president of corporate development at Fairfax, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. Waiting for Approval A special committee of BlackBerry’s board continues to review its options, Lisette Kwong, a spokeswoman for the smartphone maker, said in an e-mail. “We do not intend to disclose further developments with respect to the process until we approve a specific transaction or otherwise conclude the review of strategic alternatives,” she said. The co-founders together control 8 percent of BlackBerry’s shares, the filing said. Toronto-based Fairfax, meanwhile, has a 9.9 percent stake. BlackBerry agreed to pay Fairfax a fee of 30 cents a share, or $157 million, if it strikes a better agreement with another buyer. The breakup fee rises to 50 cents a share, or about $262 million, if the smartphone maker and Fairfax sign a definitive transaction. Under its agreement with BlackBerry, Fairfax has until Nov. 4 to make a definitive bid for the company. School Friends Lazaridis, a 52-year-old who formerly worked as co-chief executive officer, and Fregin, the company’s ex-vice president of operations, have been friends since the fifth grade. They started BlackBerry in 1984 as engineering students. The company pioneered the market for wireless-data devices, turning millions of users into e-mail addicts pecking away at their “CrackBerry” keyboards. Then Apple and Samsung ushered in the age of the touch-screen smartphone, and Lazaridis and his team were slow to adapt to the shift in consumer preferences. Since quitting the top job at BlackBerry and then leaving its board in March, Lazaridis has focused his attention on quantum computing and nanotechnology, the science and technology of things approaching the size of an atom. He and Fregin now own Quantum Valley Investments, which focuses on developing quantum-computing technology. Fregin left BlackBerry in 2007. Thorsten Heins became CEO of the company last year, and Lazaridis stayed on as vice chairman until May. Breakup Scenario While Lazaridis and Fregin say they have a turnaround plan for BlackBerry, the company has become increasingly open to a breakup scenario, a person with knowledge of the matter said. Companies such as SAP AG (SAP), Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) and Samsung, which were approached last week by BlackBerry advisers, have indicated they’re only interested in parts of the company, people familiar with the discussion said. Jim Dever, a spokesman for Walldorf, Germany-based SAP, declined to comment, as did Cisco’s John Earnhardt. Chenny Kim, a spokeswoman for Samsung, said her company has ruled out a bid for all of BlackBerry. A breakup would let parties bid for BlackBerry’s most valuable pieces, such as its patents or enterprise network, the people with knowledge of the discussions said. “If this is your company and you’re starting to see that it might be a real option this thing gets broken up and fed to the wolves, that’s a tough ending,” said Colin Gillis, an analyst at BGC Partners LP. “If anyone is going to see value in this company, it would be Lazaridis and his partner.” To contact the reporters on this story: Hugo Miller in Toronto at hugomiller@bloomberg.net; Katia Dmitrieva in Toronto at edmitrieva1@bloomberg.net
BlackBerry (BBRY) Ltd. co-founder Mike Lazaridis’s potential bid for the struggling smartphone maker would face a battle for financing with Canadian investor Prem Watsa, who’s looking to take it private with his own buyout. Lazaridis, who invented the BlackBerry smartphone and jointly ran the business until last year, said yesterday he’s hired Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) to help him explore a bid for the Waterloo, Ontario-based company. He’s working on the effort with fellow BlackBerry founder Doug Fregin, who used to run the company’s operations. Enlarge image BlackBerry Ltd. Co-Founder Mike Lazaridis BlackBerry Ltd. Co-Founder Mike Lazaridis. Photographer: Aaron Harris/Bloomberg BlackBerry Co-Founders Consider Takeover Bid1:30 Oct. 10 (Bloomberg) -- BlackBerry co-founders Mike Lazaridis and Douglas Fregin said they are considering a takeover offer for the struggling smartphone maker. Jon Erlichman reports on Bloomberg Television's "Money Moves." (Source: Bloomberg) Sponsored Links Buy a link An offer would compete with a $4.7 billion proposal from Watsa’s Fairfax Financial Holdings Ltd. (FFH), BlackBerry’s biggest shareholder, which is seeking partners to help finance a buyout. Fairfax unveiled its offer on Sept. 23, though it hasn’t named additional backers or announced financing for the purchase. “Here’s a competing transaction that’s going to look out for financing the same way that Fairfax is out looking for financing,” said Catharine Sterritt, a Toronto-based risk arbitrage strategist at Bank of Nova Scotia. “It doesn’t make any sense to me that these guys will end up competing.” Lazaridis’s prospective bid got a muted response from investors. The stock climbed just 1.1 percent yesterday in New York, even as the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index rose 2.2 percent. As of 10:20 a.m. today, the shares have fallen 0.8 percent to $8.14 -- below the tentative bid of $9 a share from Fairfax. For Sale BlackBerry put itself up for sale after years of losing ground to Apple Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co. (005930) The company posted a 45 percent plunge in sales last quarter and a $965 million loss, dragged down by unsold inventory of its latest smartphones. In a filing yesterday, the co-founders said their goal was “stabilizing and ultimately reinventing the company based on a plan developed by them.” The two men aren’t available for interviews, said Mike Sitrick, a spokesman who runs the firm Sitrick & Co. Getting the money to finance a bid may not be easy, said David Cockfield, a fund manager with Northland Wealth Management in Toronto. “It’s a tough business to be in,” said Cockfield, whose firm manages about C$225 million ($217 million), including a small amount of BlackBerry shares. Lazaridis “has to find someone who has the belief and is willing to write him some large checks,” he said. Centerview Partners In addition to Goldman Sachs, Centerview Partners LLC is serving as an adviser to Lazaridis and Fregin. The New York-based firm advised Silver Lake Management LLC, which helped finance Dell Inc.’s $24.9 billion buyout. That deal was approved by shareholders approved last month. For either prospective bidder, finding the help of a large buyout firm may be challenging. BlackBerry has been shopped to Blackstone Group LP and KKR & Co., and both private-equity firms passed, people with knowledge of the matter have said. Silver Lake said last month that it looked at taking a stake in BlackBerry and decided against it. “We don’t have enough confidence to underwrite what the business plan will look like,” Michael Bingle, a managing partner at the firm, said Sept. 27 at a conference in New York. “When you don’t have that confidence, it’s tough to really pursue this opportunity.” Fairfax isn’t working with Lazaridis and Fregin, said a person with knowledge of the matter, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. John Varnell, vice president of corporate development at Fairfax, didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment. Waiting for Approval A special committee of BlackBerry’s board continues to review its options, Lisette Kwong, a spokeswoman for the smartphone maker, said in an e-mail. “We do not intend to disclose further developments with respect to the process until we approve a specific transaction or otherwise conclude the review of strategic alternatives,” she said. The co-founders together control 8 percent of BlackBerry’s shares, the filing said. Toronto-based Fairfax, meanwhile, has a 9.9 percent stake. BlackBerry agreed to pay Fairfax a fee of 30 cents a share, or $157 million, if it strikes a better agreement with another buyer. The breakup fee rises to 50 cents a share, or about $262 million, if the smartphone maker and Fairfax sign a definitive transaction. Under its agreement with BlackBerry, Fairfax has until Nov. 4 to make a definitive bid for the company. School Friends Lazaridis, a 52-year-old who formerly worked as co-chief executive officer, and Fregin, the company’s ex-vice president of operations, have been friends since the fifth grade. They started BlackBerry in 1984 as engineering students. The company pioneered the market for wireless-data devices, turning millions of users into e-mail addicts pecking away at their “CrackBerry” keyboards. Then Apple and Samsung ushered in the age of the touch-screen smartphone, and Lazaridis and his team were slow to adapt to the shift in consumer preferences. Since quitting the top job at BlackBerry and then leaving its board in March, Lazaridis has focused his attention on quantum computing and nanotechnology, the science and technology of things approaching the size of an atom. He and Fregin now own Quantum Valley Investments, which focuses on developing quantum-computing technology. Fregin left BlackBerry in 2007. Thorsten Heins became CEO of the company last year, and Lazaridis stayed on as vice chairman until May. Breakup Scenario While Lazaridis and Fregin say they have a turnaround plan for BlackBerry, the company has become increasingly open to a breakup scenario, a person with knowledge of the matter said. Companies such as SAP AG (SAP), Cisco Systems Inc. (CSCO) and Samsung, which were approached last week by BlackBerry advisers, have indicated they’re only interested in parts of the company, people familiar with the discussion said. Jim Dever, a spokesman for Walldorf, Germany-based SAP, declined to comment, as did Cisco’s John Earnhardt. Chenny Kim, a spokeswoman for Samsung, said her company has ruled out a bid for all of BlackBerry. A breakup would let parties bid for BlackBerry’s most valuable pieces, such as its patents or enterprise network, the people with knowledge of the discussions said. “If this is your company and you’re starting to see that it might be a real option this thing gets broken up and fed to the wolves, that’s a tough ending,” said Colin Gillis, an analyst at BGC Partners LP. “If anyone is going to see value in this company, it would be Lazaridis and his partner.” To contact the reporters on this story: Hugo Miller in Toronto at hugomiller@bloomberg.net; Katia Dmitrieva in Toronto at edmitrieva1@bloomberg.net
sehr fundiert! 
hoffen wir das beste bei blackberry! könnte mir gut vorstellen das, dass alles zZ taktirerei ist!
hoffen wir das beste bei blackberry! könnte mir gut vorstellen das, dass alles zZ taktirerei ist!
Zitat von IngChris: Ich beschäftige mich die letzten 3 Jahre (seit Elop CEO ist) sehr intensiv mit NOK......
Ich bin eigentlich der Meinung, dass man mit der Gerätesparte kurz vor dem Break Even steht und verstehe nicht ganz die Euphorie über den Verkauf der Gerätesparte ............allein durch die Bekanntgabe des Deals am 3.9 stieg der Kurs von EUR 2,95 auf
mittlerweile knapp 5.- Euro.........5,4 Mrd müsste man mit dem Smartphoneverkauf natürlich erst mal verdienen .............ist soweit schon klar..........
Lt. Analysten ist der Kurs so rasant gestiegen weil man endlich die defizitäre (bis JETZT .... JA) Gerätesparte los ist und eben mal 5,4 Mrd. Cash in die Kassa kommt ...........
Ich bin gespannt, ob NOK als Netzwerkausrüster (NSN) und Kartendienstleister ("Here") tatsächlich die grossen Gewinne macht ......... ("Here" - Kartendienst bisher defizitär) .....bei NSN hat man erst den Siemens-Anteil gekauft ...........
Ich wäre eher überzeugt von einem TA bei NOK gewesen, wenn man MIT der Gerätesparte erfolgreich ist ........was m.E. der Fall ist da von Q zu Q die Verkaufzahlen der Lumias steigen .......am 22. Okt werden vorauss. 6 neue Geräte vorgestellt ..... u.a. ein Tablet .........naja - sie werden schon wissen was sie tun ......
So betrachtet gibt es auf jeden Fall einige Parallelen zu BBRY .......
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 45.619.797 von AIRA_LOVE am 13.10.13 20:29:39Ich beschäftige mich die letzten 3 Jahre (seit Elop CEO ist) sehr intensiv mit NOK......
Ich bin eigentlich der Meinung, dass man mit der Gerätesparte kurz vor dem Break Even steht und verstehe nicht ganz die Euphorie über den Verkauf der Gerätesparte ............allein durch die Bekanntgabe des Deals am 3.9 stieg der Kurs von EUR 2,95 auf
mittlerweile knapp 5.- Euro.........5,4 Mrd müsste man mit dem Smartphoneverkauf natürlich erst mal verdienen .............ist soweit schon klar..........
Lt. Analysten ist der Kurs so rasant gestiegen weil man endlich die defizitäre (bis JETZT .... JA) Gerätesparte los ist und eben mal 5,4 Mrd. Cash in die Kassa kommt ...........
Ich bin gespannt, ob NOK als Netzwerkausrüster (NSN) und Kartendienstleister ("Here") tatsächlich die grossen Gewinne macht ......... ("Here" - Kartendienst bisher defizitär) .....bei NSN hat man erst den Siemens-Anteil gekauft ...........
Ich wäre eher überzeugt von einem TA bei NOK gewesen, wenn man MIT der Gerätesparte erfolgreich ist ........was m.E. der Fall ist da von Q zu Q die Verkaufzahlen der Lumias steigen .......am 22. Okt werden vorauss. 6 neue Geräte vorgestellt ..... u.a. ein Tablet .........naja - sie werden schon wissen was sie tun ......
So betrachtet gibt es auf jeden Fall einige Parallelen zu BBRY .......
Ich bin eigentlich der Meinung, dass man mit der Gerätesparte kurz vor dem Break Even steht und verstehe nicht ganz die Euphorie über den Verkauf der Gerätesparte ............allein durch die Bekanntgabe des Deals am 3.9 stieg der Kurs von EUR 2,95 auf
mittlerweile knapp 5.- Euro.........5,4 Mrd müsste man mit dem Smartphoneverkauf natürlich erst mal verdienen .............ist soweit schon klar..........
Lt. Analysten ist der Kurs so rasant gestiegen weil man endlich die defizitäre (bis JETZT .... JA) Gerätesparte los ist und eben mal 5,4 Mrd. Cash in die Kassa kommt ...........
Ich bin gespannt, ob NOK als Netzwerkausrüster (NSN) und Kartendienstleister ("Here") tatsächlich die grossen Gewinne macht ......... ("Here" - Kartendienst bisher defizitär) .....bei NSN hat man erst den Siemens-Anteil gekauft ...........
Ich wäre eher überzeugt von einem TA bei NOK gewesen, wenn man MIT der Gerätesparte erfolgreich ist ........was m.E. der Fall ist da von Q zu Q die Verkaufzahlen der Lumias steigen .......am 22. Okt werden vorauss. 6 neue Geräte vorgestellt ..... u.a. ein Tablet .........naja - sie werden schon wissen was sie tun ......
So betrachtet gibt es auf jeden Fall einige Parallelen zu BBRY .......
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 45.619.745 von IngChris am 13.10.13 20:14:37ok, vielen dank! nun ähnlich siehts ja bei blackberry auch aus, bis auf das kartengeschäft & zusätzlich haben sie noch die mrd cash!
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 45.619.437 von AIRA_LOVE am 13.10.13 18:23:45Nokia:
aktuell:
- Smartphones, FeaturePhones
- NSN (Netzwerkinfrastruktur-Ausrüster)
- Kartendienste
- Forschung / Patente
zukünftig:
....einfach den 1. Punkt oben streichen ...........
am 3.9.13 wurde die Übernahme der Gerätesparte + 10 J. Patentrechte durch MSFT bekanntgegeben.
Preis: etwa 5,4 Mrd Euro
19.11.13 entspr. HV, wo das "abgesegnet" werden soll .....
aktuell:
- Smartphones, FeaturePhones
- NSN (Netzwerkinfrastruktur-Ausrüster)
- Kartendienste
- Forschung / Patente
zukünftig:
....einfach den 1. Punkt oben streichen ...........
am 3.9.13 wurde die Übernahme der Gerätesparte + 10 J. Patentrechte durch MSFT bekanntgegeben.
Preis: etwa 5,4 Mrd Euro
19.11.13 entspr. HV, wo das "abgesegnet" werden soll .....
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 45.619.029 von AIRA_LOVE am 13.10.13 15:52:07Hast dich wohl noch nicht sonderlich mit dem Geschäftsmodell von N.auseinandergesetzt ?
Bin allerdings auch der Meinung, das der faire Wert von BBRY um
einiges höher ist, als der akt.Kurs.
Bin allerdings auch der Meinung, das der faire Wert von BBRY um
einiges höher ist, als der akt.Kurs.
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