Apple - unaufhaltsamer Aufstieg - wie lange noch? (Seite 3390)

[moskau74]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 43.987.527 von tl220558 am 06.01.13 18:54:11

..ok..geb ich dir recht..es gibt + gab mit sicherheit keinen aufwärtstrend..ich meinte das kurzfristig...als erholung...und die chance bei einem anstieg über die 555 den abwärtstrend zu brechen

[tl220558]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 43.987.383 von moskau74 am 06.01.13 17:24:14

es gibt derzeit keinen Aufwärtstrend! Bestenfalls kann das in einen Tageschart hinein interpretiert wird.
Im Wochenchart ist der Trend wie ich bereits erwähnte nach Süden gerichtet, ohne jegliche Indikation einer Trendumkehr. Der Schlüssel "China" ist wie ich auch bereits erwähnte ein heißes Eisen.

[moskau74]

...der schlüssel ist + bleibt china!!!
...eine meldung des china mobile-deals...und apple geht durch die decke!
...ohne die fahrlässige (absichtliche?) deutsche-bank-meldung am freitag in kritischster charttechnischer situation hätte apple seinen aufwärtstrend fortgesetzt...wenn die meldung aus japan kam...dann hätte die dort ja eigentlich mitten in der nacht verbreitet werden müssen???...seeeehr merkwürdiger zusammenhang mit der us-börseneröffnung!!...ich liebe deutsche-bank-analysen...ich erinnere mich da noch an einige aus dem jahr 2000!!! tztztz

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Jan 05, 2013 (ACCESSWIRE-TNW via COMTEX) -- The smartphone market continues to grow at a phenomenal pace. When it comes to operating system, the smartphone market is dominated by Apple Inc.'s AAPL -2.78% iPhone and Google Inc.'s GOOG +1.98% Android. In terms of devices, the smartphone market is dominated by the iPhone and Samsung.

The smartphone market was once dominated by Research In Motion Limited RIMM +4.18% . However, increasing competition, product delays and lack of innovation has resulted in RIMM losing significant market share. In fact, the company has been struggling to survive and is pinning its hope on the launch of the new BlackBerry 10 operating system later this month. Even if the new operating system is well received by users, RIMM will hardly pose a challenge to Apple and Samsung. Find out more on RIMM here: http://www.wallstreetreport.net/market-scan/?symbol=RIMM

According to data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech last month, Apple achieved its highest ever share in the 12-week period ended November 25, 2012. The company's share for the 12-week period was 53.3%. The company's market share was boosted by the launch of the iPhone 5, which had been one of the most awaited products in the smartphone market. Apple's gains came at the expense of Android and Research In Motion. The Kantar data showed that RIMM's share of sales for the 12-week period ending November 25, 2012 fell to 1.4%, down from 7% a year ago.

Dominic Sunnebo, Global Consumer Insight Director at Kantar Worldpanel ComTech, said last month that Apple has reached a major milestone by passing the 50% share mark for the first time with further gains expected to be made during December.

While Apple dominates the U.S. smartphone market, the leader in Europe has been Samsung. According to data from Kantar Worldpanel ComTech, Samsung's share across the big five European nations in the 12-week period ended November 25, 2012 was 44.3%. Apple is in the second place, with a market share of 25.3%. In terms of operating systems, Android dominates the smartphone market in Europe. The Kantar Worldpanel ComTech data showed that Android's market share for the 12-week period ending November 25, 2012 was 61%, up from 51.8% a year ago.

In China, set to become the world's biggest smartphone market, Apple is once again behind Samsung. In fact, in the third quarter, Apple's market share by shipments was under 10%, according to data from research firm IDC. The research firm said in a report that Apple fell to 6th position in China in the third quarter. Meanwhile, Samsung retained the top spot in China in the third quarter.

While Apple's performance in the third quarter was disappointing, the launch of the iPhone 5 in China in December should have helped the company. After getting regulatory approval, the iPhone 5 was launched in China on December 14.

Apple last month reported that it sold more than two million iPhone 5 in China, in just three days following the launch on December 14. This despite the fact that the iPhone 5 costs more in China than in other Pacific Rim countries due to a local electronics import tax.

Apple CEO Tim Cook last month said that consumer response to iPhone 5 in China has been incredible, setting a new record with the best first weekend sales ever in China. Cook noted that China is a very important market for Apple and customers there cannot wait to get their hands on Apple products. In the last fiscal year, China accounted for 15% of Apple's revenue. And with China's smartphone market growing at a phenomenal pace, this figure is likely to go up in coming years.

Apple also launched its iPhone 5 in a number of other countries last month, including Brazil, Chile, Kuwait, Malaysia, Qatar, Russia, United Arab Emirates and Turkey.

The smartphone market is expected to continue to grow at a brisk pace in 2013. According to research firm Strategy Analytics, globally smartphone shipments will increase 27% during 2013. The research firm expects Samsung to widen its lead in the worldwide smartphone market over Apple.

Strategic Analytics forecasts Samsung to sell 290 million smartphones in 2013. This is significantly below Samsung's own forecast of 390 million smartphones for 2013. Meanwhile, the research firm expects Apple to sell 180 million smartphones in 2013. Strategy Analytics' prediction means that Samsung will hold 33% of the global smartphone market, while Apple will hold 21% of the smartphone market.

In order to catch up with Samsung, Apple will have to boost its sales in China. Strategy Analytics expects Apple to launch a smaller and cheaper "iPhone mini" to help counter the increased competition from Samsung and other local brands.

The increasing competition has hurt Apple shares in recent months. After hitting an all-time high of $705.07 in September 2012, Apple shares have fallen sharply. Apple will report its first-quarter results on January 24, 2013.

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[tl220558]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 43.986.795 von fuxa am 06.01.13 11:33:40

auch auf solche unsachlichen Kommentare werde ich nicht mehr reagieren. Ich weiß nicht weshalb und mit welchem Posting du dich angesprochen gefühlt hast aber ich empfehle dir erst einmal etwas die Grundlagen zu lesen, die ich bereits vor 30 Jahren gelesen habe bevor du mit solchen Postings kommst

[aldeboni]

Zitat von tl220558: interessant wer sich hier plötzlich alles aus den Löchern traut.
Die Namen habe ich ja alle noch nie gelesen
Fühlen sich plötzlich alle angesprochen. Ich fühle mich normalerweise nur angesprochen wenn etwas auf mich zutrifft. Heißt dass das meine Vermutungen weitgehend stimmen?

mein Name steht in diesen Thread bestimmt öfter wie deiner .. aber es ist eher selten das ich etwas schreibe in jüngster Zeit .. lese nur mit um zu entscheiden wann ich mir mal wieder eine paar Apple kaufen werde .. leider ist alles indifferent genug .. sodaß .. naja, eben, nix ..

[fuxa]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 43.986.642 von tl220558 am 06.01.13 10:01:31

Du hast doch keine Ahnung und davon sehr viel ...

[soleil1504]

Das sagt Goldman Sachs:

Google, Microsoft 'challenged' vs. Apple, says Goldman Sachs

Google and Microsoft will face an increasingly dominant Apple in the coming years, a Goldman Sachs study says.

by Brooke Crothers - December 12, 2012 11:39 PM PST

The iPad 4, iPad Mini, and iPhone 5. Loyalty to Apple is increasing in the age of 'multiple device ownership' says Goldman Sachs.
(Credit: CNET)
Google and Microsoft will struggle to vend off Apple's smartphone-tablet juggernaut, according to a recent study by Goldman Sachs.

Titled "Clash of the titans," the 75-page study depicts Google and Microsoft as "challenged" in their bids to compete with Apple.

Some salient points made by Goldman Sachs, which based many of their findings on internal survey results:

•Well positioned v. challenged: In the "context of platform adoption," companies that are defined as "well positioned" include Apple, Facebook, Samsung. Amazon is "straddling the line." Google and Microsoft are "challenged" in platform adoption.

•Google: "Tablet share loss leads to smartphone share defection." Android tablet share (excluding the Kindle Fire) will drop to 21 percent next year from 33 percent this year. Android smartphone share will decline next year to 53 percent from 55 percent this year. "We ultimately see Google as trying to find a way to stay just as relevant in the new compute paradigm as it was during Web 1.0 and 2.0."

•Microsoft: Market share of "total consumer compute" has fallen from 93 percent in 2000 to an expected 20 percent in 2012 due to smartphones and, more recently, tablets. Though Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 tablets will help the company "reclaim some share in coming years," the consumer PC market will be flat in 2013 and Microsoft "would have to sell roughly 5 Windows Phones or roughly two Windows 8 RT tablets to offset the loss of one traditional Windows PC sale."

Apple comes across in the report as a technological juggernaut that will be hard to stop.

Spending on complements (products or services that sit on top of the platform) is rising and Apple continues to lead, Goldman said.

"We believe loyalty to the company's ecosystem is only increasing and this should translate into continued growth going forward...In particular, we see the potential for Apple to capture additional growth as existing iOS users move to multiple device ownership."

With new devices such as the iPad mini and lower priced iPhones, Apple's market share in phones "has room to rise much further, and that its dominant tablet market share appears to be more resilient than most expect."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57558899-37/google-microso…

[tl220558]

ich gehe künftig nicht mehr auf solche Sticheleien ein. Ich bin der festen Überzeugung das sinnvolle risikoorientierte Anlagestrategien ein Minimum an Kapitaleinsatz erfordern und darunter ist es Zockerei/Spielerei für mich und offensichtlich auch für zahlreiche Autoren bekannter Bücher.

[soleil1504]

Da wird wieder mal ein Argument widerlegt, wonach Walmart das iPhone 5 im Einverständnis mit Apple billig angeboten hätte, um mehr abzusetzen. Tatsächlich hat Walmart Kunden mit einer geringen Menge von Geräten gelockt. Blogger haben dies bereits letztes Jahr herausgefunden, hier wird es bestätigt:

http://www.pfhub.com/apple-iphone-5-sale-tactics-by-walmart-has…

[soleil1504]

Das was die Deutsche Bank da bringt, ist ein Neuaufguss von Aussagen aus dem Earnigs Call F4Q12. Derartige Aussagen kommen jedes Quartal, und Apple hat in jedem Quartal die eigenen Voraussagen übertroffen.

Hier gebe ich die Auszüge zu Erwartungen des Managements, insbesondere zu Gross Margin wieder:

Apple's CEO Discusses F4Q12 Results - Earnings Call Transcript
October 25, 2012
Auszüge:

We expect revenues to be about $52 billion compared to $46.3 billion in the December quarter last year. We expect gross margin to be about 36% reflecting approximately $90 million related to stock-based compensation expense.
But there are costs associated with such dramatic change and demand. The iPhone 5, iPad Mini, iMac, MacBook Pro 13-inch, iPod Touch and iPod Nano have completely new form factors with great new features, and we’ve never before introduced so many new form factors at once. All of these products have higher costs than their predecessors, and therefore lower gross margins as they are at the height of the cost curve.
We head into this holiday quarter with the strongest iPhone line-up that we have ever had with the iPhone 4 starting at three in the subsidized markets. We also added the iPad Mini to our iPad line-up. The iPad Mini has the full iPad experience, and we priced it aggressively at $329, delivering incredible value to our customers. Its gross margin is significantly below the corporate average.
We head into this holiday quarter with the strongest iPhone line-up that we have ever had with the iPhone 4 starting at three in the subsidized markets. We also added the iPad Mini to our iPad line-up. The iPad Mini has the full iPad experience, and we priced it aggressively at $329, delivering incredible value to our customers. Its gross margin is significantly below the corporate average.
So in summary, we expect our gross margin to decline by about 400 basis points sequentially. We expect the benefit from positive leverage on a sequentially higher revenue and a greater mix of iPhone, but we expect these benefits will be more than offset by a number of factors.
First, margins on new products are lower than their predecessors including the iPhone 5 and we have been aggressive with the iPad Mini. Second, we’ve lowered the price of the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 4. Third, we will experience transitionary cost associated with multiple new product ramp. Fourth, the high anticipated volume of iPhone and other new products will generate significantly greater deferred revenue sequentially.
As you are aware, we defer a portion of our revenue with every device we sell, and amortize it back into revenue over the life of the device. In periods of exceptionally strong sales like the December quarter, the deferred amounts are significantly higher than the revenue amortized in from past sales. And fifth, the favorable items that benefited the gross margin in the September quarter are not expected to repeat in the December quarter.