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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 38.600.840 von Daytrading18 am 18.12.09 23:09:16Mr.Bonderman, the stage is yours 
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 38.600.844 von born2live am 18.12.09 23:10:28Klasse Bericht das wird n. Woche spannend. Danke fürs einstellen. 
Insensitive: Are you kidding me? Read between the lines my friends and listen to the hearing if you have not. Listen to what Rosen said, that is a hint!
read this ....
http://www.bayardfirm.com/pdfs/equity-committees-representat…
Go about half way down the page and then re-read this paragraph.
“Ad hoc” or informal committees often will already have been formed before such a request, so
that equity's concerns may have already been brought to the attention of management or debtor's
counsel (with less than satisfactory results). These committees consist of shareholders who are
knowledgeable of the company's condition and typically disenchanted with the attention given to
their interests or management's general intentions regarding equity. These informal committees
invariably are represented by counsel. In fact, given the volume of recent equity committee
solicitations, there are a growing number of law firms and financial advisory firms who actively
compete to represent such committees. Like professionals for official creditors' committees,
673694-1
professionals for official equity committees are compensated from assets of the bankruptcy estate.
Translation: Rosen of Weil does not want to spend the money for the Attorney Firm that will be representing the EC. Also he does not need another firm to have to share the info with or have sitting at the table. he thinks or maybe is under the impression he can get it done satisfactorily, but WE need REPRESENTATION no matter what the cost to the estate.
Now re-read this part.
Under the Code, upon request the Court may order the appointment of a committee of equity
security holders if necessary to assure their “adequate representation.” Adequate representation is
determined on a case-by-case basis.1 Courts consider these factors: (1) the number of
shareholders; (2) the complexity of the case; (3) the solvency of the debtor; (4) whether the cost
to the estate outweighs the adequate representation interest of shareholders; and (5) whether the
interests of shareholders are already represented. 2 No one factor is dispositive and the relative
weight afforded to each depends on the circumstances.3 Since the first two factors inevitably are
favourable in cases where appointment of a committee is sought, the discussion below is limited
to the remaining factors.
An EC would require that all attorney firms that are currently participating in this case, share info with the new firm that is brought in to represent us, The last thing they want is one more hand in the pot.
Now re-read this part.
Solvency of debtor
In considering the solvency issue, the most frequently applied standard is whether the debtors are
“hopelessly insolvent.”4 It is not a question of whether recovery to the debtors' shareholders is
guaranteed.5 Economic indicators must demonstrate that there is value for shareholders and
those shareholders are not necessarily “out of the money”.6 Where the debtor is even marginally
solvent, shareholders have a meaningful interest in the outcome of the case, and courts find they
should have the benefit of an equity committee representing their interests, regardless of the
added cost.7
.
CURRENTLY !!!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_i…
read this ....
http://www.bayardfirm.com/pdfs/equity-committees-representat…
Go about half way down the page and then re-read this paragraph.
“Ad hoc” or informal committees often will already have been formed before such a request, so
that equity's concerns may have already been brought to the attention of management or debtor's
counsel (with less than satisfactory results). These committees consist of shareholders who are
knowledgeable of the company's condition and typically disenchanted with the attention given to
their interests or management's general intentions regarding equity. These informal committees
invariably are represented by counsel. In fact, given the volume of recent equity committee
solicitations, there are a growing number of law firms and financial advisory firms who actively
compete to represent such committees. Like professionals for official creditors' committees,
673694-1
professionals for official equity committees are compensated from assets of the bankruptcy estate.
Translation: Rosen of Weil does not want to spend the money for the Attorney Firm that will be representing the EC. Also he does not need another firm to have to share the info with or have sitting at the table. he thinks or maybe is under the impression he can get it done satisfactorily, but WE need REPRESENTATION no matter what the cost to the estate.
Now re-read this part.
Under the Code, upon request the Court may order the appointment of a committee of equity
security holders if necessary to assure their “adequate representation.” Adequate representation is
determined on a case-by-case basis.1 Courts consider these factors: (1) the number of
shareholders; (2) the complexity of the case; (3) the solvency of the debtor; (4) whether the cost
to the estate outweighs the adequate representation interest of shareholders; and (5) whether the
interests of shareholders are already represented. 2 No one factor is dispositive and the relative
weight afforded to each depends on the circumstances.3 Since the first two factors inevitably are
favourable in cases where appointment of a committee is sought, the discussion below is limited
to the remaining factors.
An EC would require that all attorney firms that are currently participating in this case, share info with the new firm that is brought in to represent us, The last thing they want is one more hand in the pot.
Now re-read this part.
Solvency of debtor
In considering the solvency issue, the most frequently applied standard is whether the debtors are
“hopelessly insolvent.”4 It is not a question of whether recovery to the debtors' shareholders is
guaranteed.5 Economic indicators must demonstrate that there is value for shareholders and
those shareholders are not necessarily “out of the money”.6 Where the debtor is even marginally
solvent, shareholders have a meaningful interest in the outcome of the case, and courts find they
should have the benefit of an equity committee representing their interests, regardless of the
added cost.7
.
CURRENTLY !!!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_i…
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 38.600.831 von mmafr am 18.12.09 23:06:06Naja das war's wieder bis zum nächsten Termin . Ist halt so bei ner zockeraktie denn nichts anderes ist wamu . Jeder der was anderes behauptet leidet entweder an realitätsverlust oder an mangelnder Intelligenz .und all diese komiker die Tag und Nacht recherchieren wie Body oder Bourne , einfach nur lärcherlich diese Typen hier drin
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 38.600.831 von mmafr am 18.12.09 23:06:06Ich glaube Bondermann möchte nun auch nach 14 Monaten die Sache vom Tisch haben, würde vor Weihnachten gut passen.
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After listening to the hearing, it's clear that the debtor's attorney was making arguments against the formation of the equity committee rather than commenting on the liklihood of future recovery for equity. He says it is clear from the MOR's that the equity holders will not be 'in the money'. Of course, he cannot possibly know, at present, what the 'money' will ultimately be, as the court also knows, so his comments are just an argument to the effect that 'there's no money for equity so there's no need for the equity committee.' More interesting is WHY the debtor's oppose the equity committee. Part of it is probably a general objection to adding more seats at the table and increasing the number of participants but mostly, I think it's about ongoing negotiations. The U.S. Trustee wants a 'sortable' list and says that the debtor offered the information by next Tuesday but the UST wants it by next Monday. Then, the trustee says the most interesting thing: 'time is more important than utility' suggesting that he would prefer to get the information more quickly even if it was not in a 'sortable' format. The trustee is in a tremendous hurry for the information and asks for a 12/21 final deadline. It certainly sounds like something is cooking and the U.S. Trustee is in an amazing rush to get the EC into the process. If it is a 'settlement' in that cook pot, that might explain the debtor's objections. For example, WAMUQ may be disinclined to accept a settlement offer already on the table and the U.S. Trustee may be trying to pressure them into doing so with the participation of an EC. There is certainly SOMETHING going on, for sure. Here is the file (thanks astocks)
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b932994e293c11f5c79b87b20…
Whatever it is that is going on, it's clear from the recording that the U.S. Trustee is scrapping about ONE DAY (the difference between next Monday and next Tuesday). Wow!
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks…
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b932994e293c11f5c79b87b20…
Whatever it is that is going on, it's clear from the recording that the U.S. Trustee is scrapping about ONE DAY (the difference between next Monday and next Tuesday). Wow!
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks…
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 38.600.831 von mmafr am 18.12.09 23:06:06Ausser es kommt ne Einigung vorher. 
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 38.599.110 von born2live am 18.12.09 19:02:39Das ist eigentlich ne Hammernews (nur verkenne das zur Zeit noch zu viele)
Wie schreibt Godfather diesbezüglich vollkommen richtig :
Awesome!! This is the news we have been waiting for!! REPRESENTATION!! BONDERMAN will run the show from here on!! Stay long and strong guys, the party is just getting started!! EC approved!!! Now watch the whales dive in..
Nächste Woche geht die Show richtig los
Wie schreibt Godfather diesbezüglich vollkommen richtig :
Awesome!! This is the news we have been waiting for!! REPRESENTATION!! BONDERMAN will run the show from here on!! Stay long and strong guys, the party is just getting started!! EC approved!!! Now watch the whales dive in..
Nächste Woche geht die Show richtig los
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 38.600.806 von PhiPIsland am 18.12.09 22:58:40das kann leicht mal passieren wenn der nächte termin erst nächstes jahr stattfindet. da werden die leute schnell ungeduldig wie man heute sehen konnte. 
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