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Zitat von sge1899: Was geht hier wohl erst ab wenn auch noch die Leerverkäufe gestattet sind? Das wird eine Geldvernichtung wie sie die Welt noch nicht gesehen hat.
Das sehe ich ganz genauso. Mich würde mal die Altersstruktur der Käufer interessieren, meines Erachtens kann man nur dann so viel Geld für einen 0,000006 Dollar Anteil ausgeben, wenn man noch Erfahrungen sammeln möchte.
Was geht hier wohl erst ab wenn auch noch die Leerverkäufe gestattet sind? Das wird eine Geldvernichtung wie sie die Welt noch nicht gesehen hat.
Zitat von lupos1: Fazit: Wäre der Aktienpreis niedriger angesetzt worden und die Zahl der Aktien begrenzt geblieben, hätte man einen derartigen Kursrutsch möglicherweise verhindern können.
Jetzt blicken wir mal etwas nüchterner auf den Grund des Börsengangs - nämlich die Umwandlung des Firmenbestandes in Bares. Und da hat der liebe Mark wohl alles richtig gemacht. Mit 30$ statt 38$ wäre vermutlich der Kursrutsch ausgeblieben, dafür hätte der Herr Zuckerhut aber auch 22% weniger Kohle in seiner Tasche gehabt. Von daher hat er alles richtig gemacht. Der Aktienkurs seiner Facebookaktien dürfte ihm relativ egal sein. Die muss er eh nie verkaufen.
uhrendoktor, i bin a nimma da jingschte,
und ungemeldet hon i mi schon fa 3 johr.
mir hot oba no kona a frau ungebotn auf fb!
i wos nit auf wos fürane seiten du die imma rumtreibsch.
und ungemeldet hon i mi schon fa 3 johr.
mir hot oba no kona a frau ungebotn auf fb!
i wos nit auf wos fürane seiten du die imma rumtreibsch.
hat wer nen guten Put ?
langfristig hat aber FB noch viel Potential
langfristig hat aber FB noch viel Potential
Die Banken können höchtens kurzfristig Stützungskäufe tätigen. Langfristig kann ich es mir nicht vorstellen, dass sie sich gegen den Markttrend stellen können. Ich bin nicht mehr im Alter der aktuellen Computergeneration und sehe das ganze daher als Zuschauer von außen. Ich habe mich vor einigen Monaten selbst bei Facebook angemeldet und bekam daraufhin erstmal einige unseriöse Kontaktanfragen von Mädchen aus Afrika, USA und Asien, sonst nichts. Seitdem ruht mein Account. Ich sehe nicht, was das für einen Sinn macht. Das Anleger für diese Internetplattform soviel Geld bezahlen wie für die Deutsche Bank, BMW und Adidas zusammen, ist für mich abenteuerlich. Der Kurs wird sich daher in den nächsten zehn Jahren nach unten bewegen. Wenn der Kurs sich drittelt, kostet Facebook so viel, wie eine der genannten deutschen Firmen, das wäre mir aber immer noch zu teuer. Die Alteigentümer können sich freuen, soviel Geld für Facebook bekommen zu haben.
It's gotten to the point, really, where it's become childish. Mark Zuckerberg can't even marry his main squeeze post-IPO without people questioning the timing. Why not follow up one of the biggest days of your young life with another one of the biggest days of your young life?
And, of course, there's the hate that sometimes borders on vitriol for the IPO. One of the more light-hearted and clever examples comes from Twitter: Breaking: Pets.com sock puppet seen laughing maniacally around Menlo Park. Yes and I just saw a Webvan truck pull up in front of Facebook headquarters.
Then, there's downright hate. Here's an example courtesy of TheStreet's otherwise perfectly sane and logical Dana Blankenhorn, who called the whole Facebook IPO a "big lie":
The insiders knew the story: The brokers who were in the IPO were standing by with orders to buy at $38, no matter what, all day. And they knew, we all know, that won't go on for long.
Even while this was happening, with Facebook trades coming across at both $42 and $38 and change at the same time in after-hours trading, CNBC kept pretending nothing was happening on its own ticker.
Why wasn't anyone, on any network, allowed to say that this new technology emperor was wearing no clothes, that the company wasn't worth anything near what brokers were claiming it was worth, that a fraud was being perpetrated on the public investor?
I know Dana well enough to know that he has been around the stock market, particularly covering tech stocks and such, for a long time. Yet, he, and so many others, run frantically acting like this is all new. As if, this past Friday, the stock market became a place where insiders get the best deals and know the story, while the general public is in the dark. They all need to look up the definition of "insider." It's been this way for quite some time; and, it's not about to change anytime soon.
So, the markets gets rigged to favor insiders. Tell us we something we do not know already.
TheStreet's Stephanie Link provides one of the most rational and sensible post-mortems on the Facebook IPO. While recognizing Morgan Stanley's(MS_) failings (yet another shocking development), Link also points out that it was not just the little guy that lost out on this IPO. Her video is more than worth your time.
Even more importantly, though, Link acknowledges that Facebook can make a strong long play for some long-term investors. She just thinks that type of bullishness appears more prudent around $28 to $31, the original offering price for the IPO. I would add two things to that assessment:
•If it were not for several factors, including the points Link mentioned and the shares that will hit the market when Facebook's lock-up periods expire, I would buy the stock at this level and at several points higher and lower.
•I expect FB to go lower than that $28 to $31 range because of the structure of the IPO, but also because of the incredible amount of "hate" Wall Street and many investors continue to direct not only at the process, but the company and its newly-floated stock.
Therefore, I hope the haters keep on hating. Let the short-term thinkers continue to think short-term. Allow the value-obsessed to obsess over value. And happily permit mobile monetization naysayers to naysay all they want.
And, of course, there's the hate that sometimes borders on vitriol for the IPO. One of the more light-hearted and clever examples comes from Twitter: Breaking: Pets.com sock puppet seen laughing maniacally around Menlo Park. Yes and I just saw a Webvan truck pull up in front of Facebook headquarters.
Then, there's downright hate. Here's an example courtesy of TheStreet's otherwise perfectly sane and logical Dana Blankenhorn, who called the whole Facebook IPO a "big lie":
The insiders knew the story: The brokers who were in the IPO were standing by with orders to buy at $38, no matter what, all day. And they knew, we all know, that won't go on for long.
Even while this was happening, with Facebook trades coming across at both $42 and $38 and change at the same time in after-hours trading, CNBC kept pretending nothing was happening on its own ticker.
Why wasn't anyone, on any network, allowed to say that this new technology emperor was wearing no clothes, that the company wasn't worth anything near what brokers were claiming it was worth, that a fraud was being perpetrated on the public investor?
I know Dana well enough to know that he has been around the stock market, particularly covering tech stocks and such, for a long time. Yet, he, and so many others, run frantically acting like this is all new. As if, this past Friday, the stock market became a place where insiders get the best deals and know the story, while the general public is in the dark. They all need to look up the definition of "insider." It's been this way for quite some time; and, it's not about to change anytime soon.
So, the markets gets rigged to favor insiders. Tell us we something we do not know already.
TheStreet's Stephanie Link provides one of the most rational and sensible post-mortems on the Facebook IPO. While recognizing Morgan Stanley's(MS_) failings (yet another shocking development), Link also points out that it was not just the little guy that lost out on this IPO. Her video is more than worth your time.
Even more importantly, though, Link acknowledges that Facebook can make a strong long play for some long-term investors. She just thinks that type of bullishness appears more prudent around $28 to $31, the original offering price for the IPO. I would add two things to that assessment:
•If it were not for several factors, including the points Link mentioned and the shares that will hit the market when Facebook's lock-up periods expire, I would buy the stock at this level and at several points higher and lower.
•I expect FB to go lower than that $28 to $31 range because of the structure of the IPO, but also because of the incredible amount of "hate" Wall Street and many investors continue to direct not only at the process, but the company and its newly-floated stock.
Therefore, I hope the haters keep on hating. Let the short-term thinkers continue to think short-term. Allow the value-obsessed to obsess over value. And happily permit mobile monetization naysayers to naysay all they want.
Das sieht doch ganz nach Stützungskäufen aus so um die 32,8 US-D.
FB tut wenigstens für seine 900 Mio User und bietet die sichere Möglichkeit mit einem Put ordentlich Geld zu verdienen!
Madknight:
ich hab noch schweizer Aktien im Depot*!
???Nennwert 1 Schweizer Rappen keine 10 Schweizer Franken???*!
Akt. Kurs FB 32,80*
ich hab noch schweizer Aktien im Depot*!
???Nennwert 1 Schweizer Rappen keine 10 Schweizer Franken???*!
Akt. Kurs FB 32,80*
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