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[Longus 6]

Ein Dankeschön an das Research von ecco65hh!

Thema: OTI & Funge Systems Inc
Datum: 09.02.01 19:02:47 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit
From: [e-mail]
To: ecco65hh
CC: [e-mail]

Dear Sir,

OTI and FSI have a strong partnership in place. We are currently working together, in association with Microsoft, to develop a contact and
contactless card for a project that FSI has with the US Government.

I have forwarded your e-mail through to OTI and will have their office in Santa Clara reply formally.

However, let me assure you that FSI regards OTI and its products very highly indeed, and believe that we will continue to work together on
this and future projects for many years to come.

Thank you for contacting Funge Systems Incorporated.

Kind regards.

Darren Beazley
Vice President Operations
Funge Systems, Inc
US Cell: 703 981 8507
AUST GSM: [phone]
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

[kasmarski]

Genau der richtige Zeitpunkt um in Israel einzusteigen!

Kasi

[Longus 6]

hat das vielleicht auch was mit dem 1,5 Milliarden GSA-Projekt(US-Government) zu tun?

Eins steht jetzt jedenfalls fest. OTI arbeitet mit Funge-system nicht nur im Handy-Markt zusammen sondern auch mit Funge und Microsoft bei einem SamrtCardprojket für die US-Regierung.

Wenn das mal keine positiven News sind!

Longus 6

[tantor]

...und dann noch grenzprojekt usa-mexico ????

[shenmue]

der chart-service dazu:

[optimaxx]

@ Shenmue,
willste wieder einsteigen???
...oder plagen Dich die Möglichkeiten ?
...Kohl hat es ausgesessen,Du sitzt es aus,
wir werden es aussitzen....
Gruss amatechmaxx

[shenmue]

@optimaxx

die lbc-gewinne wollen wieder irgendwo hin. aber für oti ist es noch eindeutig zu früh. da ich ja nicht wie viele otisten " glaube " , sondern alles so sehe wie es ist, lasse ich mir zeit mit dem " vorkaufen " .
wenn dann wieder eine ad hoc über dann vielleicht 4 country-clubs ( in der longus fachsprache heißt das " kleine städte ) kommt, überlasse ich wieder den " gläubigen " die wertvollen stücke.

vielleicht kommt ja schon montag was interessantes, denn montag ist bekanntlich oti-longus-tag.

so long
der chart-breaker-man

[shenmue]

[ProMaiLer]

hey shenmue, kleines duell gefällig?

komm mal auf http://www.bebigbull.com, meld dich an und wir sehen, wer der bessere ist!
(und ganz nebenbei, 150.000 mark gibts auch zu gewinnen )

auf den größten bullen!

gruß
pm

P.S: übrigens ist jetzt ein computerspiel rausgekommen, das heißt auch shenmue

[shenmue]

@pm

alter recke, gibts dich auch noch?

ich hoffe, du hast dort nicht nur oti´s im depot...

ich traue gewinnspielen nie. dir jedenfalls viel spass und glück dabei.


ps. dreamcast/shenmue gibts schon lange

[ProMaiLer]

also, dem gewinnspiel kannst du trauen, ich weiß es!

naja, dann hoff ich mal wieder auf bessere zeiten bei OTI, die sind doch immernoch mein größter posten im depot. aber nicht der einzige, zum glück! hähähä

und um was verdammt nochmal geht es in dem spiel "shenmue"?
ist das auch ein börsenspiel und man muss versuchen, bestimmte aktien zu bashen?

so, ich geh jetzt erstmal pennen, hab wenig geschlafen.

gruß
pm

[shenmue]

es geht im endeffekt um die liebe... aber nicht zu einer aktie

schlaf erstmal ne runde.

gruß shenmue

[Longus 6]

lasst euch das mal auf der zunge zergehen.

die "kleine oti" entwickelt mit funge system und mircosoft eine dual-interface-karte für die US-Behörden. Das ist nicht nur absolut hohe Sicherheitstufe sondern bringt auch noch richtig GELD!

Wenn in nächster zeit diesbezüglich auch ein ad-hoc kommt und dort der name microsoft fällt, dann explodiert die kleine OTI.

[Mr.Perfect]

@Longus6

ja, das ist wirklich eine tolle nachricht.
ich schätze mal, die adhoc kommt am MONTAG!!!


c-ya Mr.Perfect

[EcCo65HH]

@all: Ich glaube nicht, daß es von OTI dazu überhaupt eine Stellungnahme respektive ADHOC-Mitteilung geben wird. Ich habe diese Information direkt von Darren Beazley bekommen
(Vice President Operations v. Funge Systems, Inc.)

Ich habe dazu drei Wertungen:

1. FUNGE bzw. Darren Beazley haben sich hier bezüglich OTI verdammt weit aus dem Fenster gelehnt.

Hintergrund: Die Fakten zu FUNGE und dem US-Government-Geschäft (Ausrüstung von 2 Schiffen der US-Marine) und auch die Zusammenarbeit von FUNGE Mit Microsoft waren ja schon bekannt.

Aber bis jetzt war in sämtlichen Mitteilungen überhaupt nichts ausgesagt worden, daß OTI´s Smartcard-Technologie in diesen Projekten in Einsatz kommt. Lediglich die Entwicklung des Zusatzgeräts für Handys für den Einsatz im M-Commerce war veröffentlicht worden.

2. FUNGE bzw. Darren Beazley haben anscheinend diese Email verschickt, ohne auf ein Feedback von Ohad Bashan zu warten. Beazley hat diese Email lediglich in Kopie an Ohad Bashan geschickt. Ob OTI darüber so glücklich sein wird, weiß ich nicht. Auf jeden Fall handelt es sich meiner Meinung nach um Bekanntgabe von durchaus kursrelevanten Details

3. FUNGE ist bekanntermaßen in seiner 2. Runde der Finanzierung am Venture-Capital-Markt der USA. Es kann durchaus sein, daß hier über solche Kanäle auch "geschönte" Ergebnisse bzw. Fakten in die Mundpropagandamaschine gestreut werden, um schneller und besser an Kapital zu kommen. Ein Börsengang von FUNGE ist (glaube ich) auch bis Ende diesen Jahres geplant. Schaun mer mal.

[Longus 6]

es ist schon erstaunlich, wo OTI seine Finger mit im Spiel hat. Microsoft gibt sich jedenfalls nicht mit schlechter Technologie ab. da muss OTI technologisch ganz schön was drauf haben, dass die mit OTI zusammenarbeiten.

ich versteh aber auch nicht warum FUNGE diese zusammenarbeit bestätigt und auch noch genau sagt,was sie zusammen machen, während OTI sich ausschweigt. wolln die den ganz großen COUP landen und die märkte mit einem riesen Auftrag überraschen? Micosoft würde sich nie in popligen geschäften verirren.

DIE GERÜCHTEKÜCHE BRODELT HEISSER ALS JEMALS ZUVOR!

Eins ist Fakt: wenn auch nur ein börsenbrief das gerücht (obwohl das ja eigentlich gar keins mehr ist)aufschnappt und das Wort MICROSOFT im Zusammenhang mit OTI erwähnt, dann gehts steil nach oben mit dem Kurs.


Longus 6

[kasmarski]

Microsoft mischt fast überall mit. Dabei geht auch vieles den Bach runter.

Kasi

[Go2Bed]

Wenn nur die Hälfte der Gerüchte hier wahr sind, dann gibt das wohl für alle von uns in absehbarer Zeit eine Mega-Party. Ich kann`s kaum glauben. Oder sagen wir es so: Ich habe es kaum zu hoffen gewagt. Allen noch einen schönen sonnigen Sonntag!

[Longus 6]

@GO2BED

Es ist eigentlich gar kein Gerücht mehr:

Dieser Mann hat es behauptet:

Darren Beazley
Vice President Operations
Funge Systems, Inc

Longus 6

[Capt.Janeway]

Wenn dem so wäre hätten doch Insider sich schon längst eingedeckt und der Kurs wäre schon hoch gegangen. Aber was ist passiert, er hängt wieder durch und ganz schon gewaltig (pronzetual gesehen).
Also ich denke ihr redet da euch was rein.

[stephanus]

@longus 6

Könnte es sich dabei vielleicht um folgende Sachverhalte handeln ?
( Quelle : www.fungesystems.com )

Funge Systems Smart Card Platform Licensed to The Chase Manhattan Bank To Pilot Cash-lite Environment for Department of the Navy
US Government Proof of Concept To Be Conducted on Aircraft Carrier and Frigate

McLean, VA, January 29, 2001 - Funge Systems, Inc., a developer of smart card solutions for digital transactions on the Internet and mobile devices, announced today that The Chase Manhattan Bank is receiving a license, on behalf of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, for Funge`s Open Transaction Platform (OTP) to conduct a proof-of-concept implementation of a Cash-lite™ environment for U.S. Navy ships. This pilot program will include both an aircraft carrier and a fast frigate.

The program, called NavyCash™, provides for smart cards, terminal readers and software to be installed onboard ships as a replacement for most crewmember cash transactions. Minimizing the use of bills and coins for retail transactions will create a cash-lite environment within the confines of the ship. The NavyCash smart card also has the full capability of a MasterCardÒ magnetic stripe debit card which can be accepted virtually anywhere in the world.

NavyCash was initiated by the Department of the Navy`s Smart Card office (DON-SCO). The DON-SCO`s innovative smart card technology programs will help improve the quality of life of not only sailors, but their families, and retirees as well. Smart card-enabled programs such as this have unlimited potential afloat and are critical elements of the Department of the Navy`s "family passport" benefit solutions. Secure, private and personal access will enable sailors, dependents and retirees to remain focused on their mission and family obligations. Programs for managing benefits, helping retirees, and supporting health and recreation programs are just a few of the other applications the Navy could consider to achieve these goals.

The NavyCash program brings together a Government Industry Team of best-in-class partners including: The Chase Manhattan Bank and Funge, to provide financial transaction settlements; Microsoft, Inc., which provides the smart card operating system; ATMEL, a global supplier of secure Flash-based micro-controllers; Smart Card Integrators, Inc., a leading smart card integrator; MAXIMUS, a large government systems integrator providing the smart card middleware; Eldyne, Inc. (a Titan Company), a ship-board installation and wireless technology provider; MasterCard International, which provides a magnetic stripe-based debit capability on the card; and UbiQ, a leading card personalization provider.

A cash-lite environment on board ship will significantly reduce the workload of the Disbursing Office as well as on board retail locations including the Ship`s Store and Post Office. The disbursing clerks and cash collection agents will no longer have to continually count, sort, move and monitor bills and coins. In addition, NavyCash will reduce the need for personal checks and money orders, eliminate the need for the Split Pay Option, automate financial processes, and transfer much of the ship`s financial accountability ashore.

The benefits to crewmembers include security and convenience. Sailors and Marines on-board will have 24-hour access to their funds wherever they are in the world. They can move money into their NavyCash accounts for shipboard purchases. The program also includes the capacity to provide on-shore NavyCash functionality as a MasterCard debit card. Local currency will be able to be withdrawn from any on-shore participating ATM (over 500,000 worldwide), and retail purchases will be able to be made at over 19 million merchants worldwide that accept MasterCard.

"J.P. Morgan Chase`s Federal Government Banking Group provides a full array of financial services to the Federal Government," said Tony Costantino, Vice President J.P. Morgan Chase Commercial Banking Group. "We are dedicated to offering innovative e-commerce and treasury solutions to help the Federal Government achieve their efficiency objectives."

"The vast majority of the funds which would normally be in circulation on a ship, now remain within the U.S. Treasury, providing significant savings to the U.S. government," states Keith Benson, CEO of Funge Systems. "We are proud to work with Chase, a designated financial agent of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, and be a part of this historic undertaking. Our patented intellectual property regarding the use of smart cards in mobile phones provides the Navy with a clear migration path to use pocket PCs and Personal Digital Assistants (PDAs) accessed through wireless technology.

"The Open Transaction PlatformTM leverages the full capacity of the existing global banking system and includes all the equipment and software needed to deliver universal financial and non-financial transaction power in the digital world. Funge provides a fully interoperable, open sourced platform for our customers that enables the cost-effective movement of data, monetary or otherwise, in a secure non-repudiated manner across the digital networks of today and the emerging technologies of tomorrow."

Funge Systems Background
Headquartered in McLean, Virginia since 1999, Funge Systems also has a research and development arm, Newcom Technologies, which was founded by Funge Systems` founder and CEO, Keith Benson in Australia in 1995. Funge Systems has developed the new business concept called The Open Transaction Platform, which includes a Secure Authenticated Counter (SaCTM) and Universal File Structure (UFS). It is designed to take advantage of the convergence of smart cards, e-commerce, wireless telecommunications and the Internet to allow end users to carry out secure transactions on any wired or wireless device, at any time and from anywhere.

Since opening the US headquarters, the company has raised $10 million in private investments and venture capital and is now in its second round of funding. Its prestigious group of partners is rapidly expanding and Funge Systems is planning to launch brand awareness campaigns in the U.S. and other countries.

For more information, please go to http://www.fungesystems.com

Media Contacts:
Holly Pollinger
TMP Worldwide
703.269.0171
[e-mail]

Charlotte Gilbert-Biro
J.P. Morgan Chase
212-270-7455
[e-mail]


Funge Systems Places Largest Order To Date for Microsoft Windows for Smart Cards Operating System
Largest Flash-based Microprocessor Order To Date in North America

McLean, VA, January 19, 2001 - Funge Systems, Inc., the developer of smart card solutions for digital transactions on the Internet and mobile devices, announced today the largest order of Flash-based micro-controllers in North America. Through Smart Card Integrators, Inc., Funge Systems has ordered over 2.2 million microprocessors from ATMEL, a global supplier of secure Flash-based micro-controllers. The micro-controllers will use the Microsoft Windows for Smart Cards operating system, making this order the largest order for Windows Powered Smart Cards to date.

"Smart cards provide a key enabling technology to the growth of mobile commerce," states Mike Dusche, product manager for the smart card group at Microsoft Corp. "While mobile commerce is alluring to many businesses and financial institutions, it is critical they have secure methods to implement the movement of payments and confidential information. Windows Powered Smart Cards using Funge`s Open Transaction Platform will give providers and consumers an easy, secure method for engaging in mobile commerce."

The microprocessors will be used in smart cards with the Funge Open Transaction Platform (OTP) for the secure movement of money and information via the Internet and mobile devices. The Funge OTP works with any card manufacturer, microprocessor provider, or operating system to meet the specific requirements of any customer. Applications are being developed across several vertical markets including financial services, healthcare, government, transportation, education, gaming, and entertainment. Customers in both the private and public sectors will use the cards for private label smart card programs, or branded cards including MasterCard™ or Visa™ debit functionality.

According to Keith Benson, CEO of Funge Systems, "These purchases represent our dedication to bring a new value proposition to our customers through the secure transmission of private content with a companion payment process. The advances we are making in the industry with our patented intellectual property will give providers the power to implement those business cases, offering customers smart cards for mobile transactions. Merchants will find value in reduced fees as compared to traditional debit or credit card payments. Customers will find value in the security and ease of smart cards as well as incentives offered by merchants."

The Funge solution works for any digital transaction in a wired Internet or wireless environment, including business-to-business and/or government, consumer-to-consumer, or intra-organizational transactions. In any payment scenario, merchants benefit from a reduced cost structure inherent in the Funge Systems business model, which eliminates traditional merchant debit and credit card fees of 1.5 to 3.5 percent of each transaction. In the Funge Systems model there is a US$0.50 fee to load value (monetary or information-based) onto a smart card. In addition, there is a $0.50 transaction fee to merchants who require financial settlement with another Bank outside of the smart card program.

In either case, the reduction in merchant fees ranges from approximately 20% for micro-payments (under $15) to 98% for large value payments of $1,000 or more. "The reason that we can deliver these significant savings," states Benson, "is that we have developed this system specific to the digital world, leveraging the Internet and superceding the antiquated processes of the legacy payment systems of the physical world."

To encourage rapid and widespread use of the Open Transaction Platform, Funge Systems is licensing the source code for a one-time license fee of $1.00. To break down old barriers to smart card adoption, Funge and its partners will subsidize the cost of manufacturing smart cards and installing or upgrading readers. In addition, because the transaction process is no longer based on a proprietary operating system, customers can post card issuance download applications, switch file structures, and even switch operating systems if necessary at any time.

Funge Systems Background
Headquartered in McLean, Virginia since 1999, Funge Systems also has a research and development arm, Newcom Technologies, which was founded in Adelaide, Australia in 1995. It was in Australia that Funge Systems` founder and CEO, Keith Benson, developed the new business concept called the Open Transaction Platform. Since opening the US headquarters, the company has raised $10 million in private investments and venture capital and is now in its second round of funding. Its prestigious group of partners is rapidly expanding and Funge Systems is planning to launch brand awareness campaigns in the US and other countries. Funge Systems has 25 employees and expects to grow to more than 150 by the end of 2001.

For more information, please go to http://www.fungesystems.com

Media Contact:
Holly Pollinger
TMP Worldwide
703.269.0171
[e-mail]

[Perkins]

@Captain Janeway

Na ja von irgendwas muss der Anstieg von 3,... bis 8,....
ja gekommen sein.

mfg
perkins

[Longus 6]

"Open Transaction Plattform TM" davon war auch in der Adhoc von OTI&Funge die Rede.

[Longus 6]

man beachte folgendes Zitat:

"However, let me assure you that FSI regards OTI and its products very highly indeed, and believe that we will continue to work together on this and future projects for many years to come."

Klingt vielversprechend!

[EcCo65HH]

@Stephanus: lange nix mehr gehört, aber Dein Zitat trifft des Pudels Kern. Zumindest hab ich Darren Beazleys Email so verstanden. Das Original der Email findest Du wie üblich im Thread Thread: Infos zu OTI - ungepusht / ungebasht :-)

Gruß EcCo65HH

Auf jeden Fall wäre das Vorzeigeprojekt ("McLean, VA, January 29, 2001 - Funge Systems, Inc., a developer of smart card solutions for digital transactions on the Internet and mobile devices, announced today that The Chase Manhattan Bank is receiving a license, on behalf of the U.S. Department of the Treasury, for Funge`s Open Transaction Platform (OTP) to conduct a proof-of-concept implementation of a Cash-lite™ environment for U.S. Navy ships. This pilot program will include both an aircraft carrier and a fast frigate.") ein Riesending, wenn ich mir vorstelle, daß allein die Navy mit Angehörigen über 1,5 Mio Personen direkt und indirekt beschäftigt.

Ich will nicht spekulieren, ob ein System, daß bei der US-Navy eingeführt wird, auch in anderen Teilstreitkräften Verwendung finden wird. Aber zumindest an der US-NAVY ist man/ OTI+ FUNGE nahe dran.

[Go2Bed]

@longus:
Was die Sache mit Funge angeht, ist "Gerücht" wohl nicht das richtige Wort. Ist mir schon klar, wenn der Vize das schreibt, wird`s schon stimmen. Aber was ist mit den im anderen Thread aufgetauchten "Fakten", "Vermutungen", was weiß denn ich? Wie gesagt, es braucht nur an der Hälfte was dran zu sein. Wenn die 2. Hälfte dann auch noch dabei ist... bitte, mir soll`s recht sein!

[atschi]

wenn oti in 5 bis 6 jahren umsätze in die milliardenrichtung (berenberg-studie, oder war es MMW?) machen will, dann sind solche projekte und testläufe das mindeste was da kommen sollte. letztlich zeugt euer gehabe nur von der kurzfristigkeit eures denkens.

atschi

[ComPin]

Also Leute, nun bleibt mal auf dem Teppich...

a) ist bekannt, dass OTI in 2 Konsortien bei dem GSA-Deal beteiligt (vertreten ist vielleicht besser) ist und

b) ist bekannt, dass alle Anbieter nicht den Forderungen der GSA genügten und deshalb weiterentwickeln. (nix mit sofort einführbare Produkte!)

c) muss der Vizepräsident zu ecco... ganz intime Verhältnisse haben, oder aber unheimlich viel Freizeit, aber wenigstens hat er Bashan das Schreiben zur Kenntnis gegeben...an Ecco... den Großen ...zur Kenntnis Bashan dem Kleinen...vom Vize von Funge persönlich...haben halt auch keine public relation...Ihr solltet auf der Hut sein...Basta

[Longus 6]

@atschi

und was willst du uns jetzt damit sagen?

@compin

pass bloss auf. ich wette der kanzler ist rumpelstielzchen.

[optimaxx]

...aus der FUNGE-PAGE
____________________________________________________________
Microsoft

Microsoft will be shipping an operating system and Visual Studio tools for developing solutions around smart cards called, "Windows for Smart Cards." Smart card manufacturers, called "embedders" have licensed this technology and the product will be on the market later this calendar year. Solutions are rapidly becoming available around:


Corporate IT -- the application opportunity is for secure domain login, RAS, and enhanced browser security.
Medical -- Payor and Provider applications for patient admittance, prescribed medicines, and medical history.
Financial -- ECash, credit/debit card (fraud reduction), and ECommerce (digital signatures).
Government -- ID cards, drivers license.
DataQuest forecasts the potential business opportunity around smart cards to be US$5 billion by 2002, and we want to get your firm involved!
Windows for Smart Cards extends the benefits of the development model for Windows, including a familiar, language-neutral run-time environment and the well-known tools such as the Visual Basic® development system. This enables card issuers and programmers for Windows to use their existing expertise to develop and deploy a broader range of smart-card solutions and applications than they could with the existing smart-card platforms.

Typical solutions enabled via these smart cards, such as secure network authentication, secure corporate transactions (such as online banking, and debit and credit), health-care information, electronic cash and customer loyalty programs, will take advantage of these features:


Secure operating system. This gives the card issuer the control of a FAT file system with Access Controls Rule, an on-card Win32® API, language-neutral virtual machine and popular cryptos.
Rapid application development tools. These include support for the Visual Studio® development system, a PC-based simulator for debugging applications, and a developer smart card with flash memory for prototyping.
Sample applications. The availability of dozens of real-life samples that developers can simply compile and deploy rather than starting from scratch helps speed time-to-market.
http://www.microsoft.com/smartcard/info/default.asp

http://www.fungesystems.com/partners/os.shtml#ms
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...aus der Microsoft-Page
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A smart card is a credit card-sized device that has an embedded microprocessor, a small amount of memory, and an interface that allows it to communicate with a workstation or network. Two characteristics make smart cards especially well-suited for applications in which security-sensitive or personal data is involved. First, because a smart card has both the data and the means to process it, the onboard processor can service requests from the network and return the results without divulging the sensitive data. For example, a smart card could be used to digitally sign data without divulging the user`s private key. Second, because smart cards are portable, the user can carry the data with him on the smart card rather than entrusting it to network storage. An example of this scenario is using a smart card to carry personal information about the user such as medial records or digital certificates.

Microsoft® Windows NT® 4.0, Windows® 95 and Windows 98 all support smart cards and smart card readers based on specifications establish by the Personal Computer Smart Card (PC/SC) Workgroup, an industry group of leading PC and smart card companies. Smart card solutions that are Windows-compatible can be used with Internet Explorer to authenticate a secure connection and Outlook Express or Outlook 98 for sending and receiving secure email. In Windows NT 5.0, smart cards can be used to logon to a network using an X.509 version 3 certificate stored on the smart card.
____________________________________________________________

...URL siehe oben.

Gruss optimaxx

[optimaxx]

Funge Launches Smart Card Platform For eCommerce, mCommerce Payments

Yahoo! News

Dec 14 2000 : Funge Systems, developer of a new smart card brand for e-payments and mCommerce, has launched its Open Transaction Platform (OTP) for smart card transactions. Both Funge and Newcom, its R&D unit, hold patents for smart card readers with multiple chips for cell phones and the integration of mobile phones with PDAs and card readers. Accordingly, the firm plans to license its OTP to third parties wishing to migrate from wired, to wireless payment systems.

The Funge Systems smart card brand enables customers to choose any operating system, smart card manufacturer, encryption, back-end process or financial settlement institution for their e-payment or mCommerce infrastructure. Likewise, the OTP can handle all types of e-payments, including those from phones carrying multiple SIM cards. Firms such as Microsoft, Chase Manhattan, Smart Card Integrators and Titan Corp, have already adopted the technology.

Funge`s Secure Authenticated Counter (SAC) ensures secure, authenticated payments by screening cards, terminals and users according to specified business rules that limit the liability for lost or stolen cards. Similarly, because transaction processes are not based on proprietary operating systems, customers can post card issuance download applications, switch file structures and even operating systems, at any time, if needed.

http://www.epaynews.com/archives/index.cgi?keywords=&optiona…