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[diddelmax]

622360, da wird ein Gerichtsurteil aus USA erwartet. Kann jeden Momment kommen.

[Berta Roker]

von 622360 ist unbedingt abzuraten

eine us jury entscheidet über eine deutsche firma, wo das endet, klarer fall (siehe auch beispiel boxen in den usa, deutscher felix sturm gegen oscar de la hoja, trotz klarem sieg nicht als sieger gewertet), auuserdem bei 622360 totalverlustriskio da drohende insolvenz, wenn prozess verloren

finger weg


besserer zock ist klar ogg (cdv software)

[diddelmax]

Ihr muß 622360 unbedingt auf eure Watchlist setzen.

[jazzmusik]

was ist 622360 ??
jazzmusik

[diddelmax]

BR bist ein schwätzer !!

z.b. hat Rocky gegen die WBC gewonnen und Mio`s gewonnen.
nur sein pech, die WBC ist jetzt pleite

[werauchimmer]

@diddel

Diese Meldung von dir ist eine bodenlose Frechheit, es ist kein Bezug, keine Quelle angegeben, hat dir das deine Großmutter verraten oder bist du aus einem Albtraum aufgewacht.

Das ist ganz schlechter Stil, insbesondere, wenn hier im Board Dutzende von Teilnehmern echt mit zum Zerreißen gespannten Nerven rumsitzen.

Das ist zwar nicht mein Stil, aber ich hätte wirklich Lust, dich beim Moderator anzuscheißen!

[diddelmax]

ausserdem BR.
einen Totalverlust droht nur den langfristigen.
dieser wert ist nur für zocker.

bei negativem urteil so ca 50 -60 % verlust.
aber
bei positivem urteil sind 100 - 200 % oder sogar mehr drin.

die aktie ist auch nur für spekulative anleger !!

[jazzmusik]

622360 ist also die wpk von itn. witzbold oder gauner ?!
jazzmusik

[guenni22]

Agh reg dich net auf..
Der Typ hat noch vor 2 Tagen gefragt was ITM überhaupt ist.

Quizfrage für dich:
Wie heisst der aktuelle Film, den ITM derzeit vermarktet..

Wieviel Stück haste denn gekauft, dass du jetzt den Kurs pushen willst?

[diddelmax]

#6
was hast du für ein problem ??
melde es dem MOD, dann unterhalten wir uns weiter und zwar in diesem Thread

[werauchimmer]

wie gesagt, das ist nicht mein Stil - wenn du weißt, was das ist!

[diddelmax]

guenni.

ich werde dir mit sicherheit nicht verraten, ob ich überhaupt investiert bin !! und schon garnicht wieviele stücke ich hätte !!

[M-DOX]

Sag mal diddelmax, was soll denn der Scheiß? Woher hast Du Deine ganzen Erkenntnisse? Es gibt durchaus Leute, die in ITN investiert sind, und die KEINE Zocker sind, sondern davon überzeugt sind, das gerade die langfristige Investition in ITN interessant sein könnte! Also dann: erklär mal Deine dollen Ansichten von wegen "nur was für Zocker" und so... Oder noch besser: erklär mir mal, was gegen ein langfristiges Engagement spricht! Ich bin schon sehr gespannt auf Deine Argumente...

[diddelmax]

#11

hast jetzt nicht mehr den mut es dem MOD zu melden.
also las mich mit dieser drohung und dem scheisse in ruhe.
könnte sein, das du dich damit lächerlich machst ?
ich weis was ich schreibe und sehe keine groben regelverstoss.

[mfierke]

wann schätzt ihr kommt die Meldung heute nach Börsenschluß am ende erst

[diddelmax]

#13
was ist falsch an meiner aussage, das bei negativem urteilt
wahrscheinlich ein totalverlust wegen insolvenz droht ?
wer treibt den kurs ? die langfristanleger ?
als langfrist investment ist es erst nach positivem urteil und wenn das geld auch wirklich fliesst zu denken.
vorher bleibt es ein zock - risiko !

so gehe jetz zum rudi, um zu sehen wie die kässköpp abgeschossen werden.

[diddelmax]

könnt jeden moment kommen

[jojobada]

kann muss aber nicht.

Übrigens, ich habe 20 Stück zu 4,99

jojo

[Durlacher]

Jetzt kommt Fussball

[Dudlhofer]

Bei so manchem steigt die Spannung bis ins unerträgliche,
Da wird auch mal der Ton ruppiger wie man die letzten tage immer mehr beobachten kann. Unterschiedlich Typen wie Zocker,Langfrist Investoren und Leute die bereits überinvestiert sind.auch mein Depot ist für meine Verhältnisse gut gefüllt und auch mir ist es etwas mulmig da es die Ungewissheit ist die einem zu schaffen macht aber warum habe ich mich darauf eingelassen ? Gier,Glaube,Wahnsinn ,Spieltrieb ? Nein weil es auch bei Prozessverlust noch ein Auffangnetz gibt (Sightsound )deshalb sollte das Risiko auch begrenzt sein.
Wünsche uns allen mit dieser schweren und Nervenaufreibenden Zeit so gut wie möglich fertig zu werden.

Dudlhofer

[siam123]

@Dudlhofer,



Gruss,
siam123

[powerautomation]

@ diddelmax



Ich hab in meiner ganzen Zeit bei Wnicht einmal solch einen unprofessionell aufgebauten Thread gesehen.
Wer das hier liest sollte sich bei INTERTAINMENT AG die Threads von 11Up und meiner einer anschauen , ehe er da was in INTERTAINMENT investiert, die Chance auf 100-200 % sind zwar greifbar nahe , aber begründen kann man das nur mit den Fakten, die in den anderen Threads zu Hunderten seit Januar gepostet wurden.

UND BERTA: Halt einfach deine Klappe!
Du hast doch wohl von gar nichts ne Ahnung. Bei 99% aller deiner Postings bist du so dermaßen am bashen, dass man meinen müsste du sitzt in irgend ner Klapsmühle und sie haben dich ans Internet gelassen. Wieso postest du immer zu den Aktien die du har nicht hast? Hast du zuviel Zeit oder was? Ist dein Freundeskreis denn so beschränkt?
- ich habs ihr heute schon mal gesagt, dümmer als Brot bist du, das kann wenigstens schimmeln!
Das gleiche gilt für den USER "Explizit" und "Durlacher" die genauso keinen Plan von Intertainment haben!

So, jetzt reichts mir aber!

Grüssle

PWER

[Bears]

Berta Roker erinnert mich immer an
die kleine fette mit dem dicken Buch
auf der Hauptversammlung.

Passt auf, sie sind unter uns

[Padautz]

@ # 20

Hallo Dudelhofer,

das mit dem "Auffangnetz" ist nicht nur schön von Dir gesagt,
sondern auch vollkommen richtig !

Viele Grüße -

Padautz


P.S.

Deutschland - Niederlande nach 29 min :

1:0 !!!!!!!!!!!!

[diddelmax]

Eine Sprecherin konnte den im Internet kursierenden Termin der Entscheidung am 16.06. um 18 MEZ nicht bestätigen, die Jury berate derzeit auf das Urteil, nur diese selbst wisse wann sie zur Entscheidung kommt. „Diese kann aber derzeit jeden Tag erfolgen“. Mehr dazu in der heutigen Ausgabe der BLUeBULL today:

[diddelmax]

bin mal gespannt, ob die letzte halbe stunde noch was passiert auf xetra ?!

[guenni22]

Noe wird nix passieren. Ausser hie im Board. Denn hier wirst du noch ca 200 Posts machen.
Das Board hat die letzen 5 Tage sehr an Wert verloren..

[Pewastb]

Äh, und wenn jetzt 10 Mitglieder der Jury von der Mafia sind ?

Oder den Geschworenen eine diskrete Mitteilung von der Mafia zugeschoben wird, "was die besser finden, einen gerechten und toten Geschworenen oder einen ungerechten und lebenden Geschworenen ?"

Mit der Mafia ist nicht zu spaßen, siehe den Film "Manche mögens heiß" mit Tony Curtis und Jack Lemmon. Immerhin wurden "Gamasche" und "Zahnstocher-Charly" schon beseitigt.

Pewastb

[dig101]

Noch eine Stunde dann sind wir schlauer

[diddelmax]

30

[liante]

@ diddel,



stay cool man!

[Bumbelbee]

Samaha slammed
Franchise gets $77 mil fraud bill

By JANET SHPRINTZ
Elie Samaha`s mercurial rise as a prolific producer took a major hit Wednesday. A federal jury slammed Samaha`s Franchise Pictures with a hefty judgment, awarding $77 million to German distributor Intertainment.... WANT TO READ THE WHOLE STORY?


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[Bumbelbee]

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California jury on Wednesday ordered movie producer Franchise Pictures to pay $77 million to Germany`s Intertainment AG for padding production costs for films such as Sylvester Stallone (news)`s "Driven."





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The Santa Ana, California jury found after a six-week trial that Los Angeles-based Franchise had engaged in fraud by inflating costs for about a dozen films jointly financed by the companies, Intertainment`s attorney Scott Edelman said.


The jury rejected several counterclaims brought by Franchise as well as a $345-million racketeering claim against Franchise chief executive Elie Samaha, and found that Samaha was not personally liable for the inflated bills, his attorney Bill Price said.


"We haven`t decided whether we will appeal," Price said. "I think there`s no question the jury would have come up with a different verdict if they had known all the facts."


The jury returns to court on Thursday to begin deliberations on punitive damages against Franchise which could run into the hundreds of millions of dollars.


The legal dispute arose from a 1999 contract, in which Intertainment agreed to fund 47 percent of production costs for about a dozen big-budget U.S. films in return for European distribution rights.


In some cases, however, Intertainment unknowingly picked up the entire tab for the big budget films, Edelman said.


The films included "The Whole Nine Yards" starring Bruce Willis (news), a remake of "Get Carter" with Stallone and "The Art of War" featuring Wesley Snipes (news).


Intertainment paid one installment of $77 million but lost its distribution rights after refusing to pay a second installment of the same amount on the belief that Franchise was padding its bills, Edelman said.


In court, Franchise did not dispute the fact that the bills were inflated but contended that the directive to do so did not come from Samaha, Price said.


The judge also barred the defense lawyers from putting on evidence that Intertainment had, at times, asked other producers to hand in artificially high budgets, Price said.


"This is actually a pretty amazing result given the fact that ... the judge did not allow us to put on our defense," Price said.


Reuters/VNU

[Bumbelbee]

Reprint permission


June 17, 2004


$77 million verdict against Franchise in budget-padding case


By Jesse Hiestand
A federal jury returned a $77 million verdict against Elie Samaha`s Franchise Pictures on Wednesday, finding that it defrauded Intertainment Licensing by inflating budgets on a slate of feature films including "Get Carter," "The Whole Nine Yards" and "3000 Miles to Graceland."

The nine-person jury sitting in Santa Ana, Calif., found the fraud by "clear and convincing evidence," a relatively high threshold of evidence that allows Intertainment to return to court today to ask for further punitive damages.

After about 12 hours of deliberation, the jury also found breach of contract but no violation of racketeering statutes. The latter meant Intertainment does not get the $115 million it had asked for -- or an opportunity to ask U.S. District Judge Alicemarie Stotler to treble the damages under terms of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Samaha was not personally held liable for any wrongdoing.

"We`re thrilled by the results -- this was make-or-break litigation for Intertainment," Intertainment attorney Scott Edelman said. "It has been a long and painful process for Intertainment to achieve justice, and this is just the first step."


Intertainment, a German production-licensing outfit, hopes to recover further damages during arbitration in the fall against other companies allegedly involved in the fraud, including Comerica Bank and the completion companies Worldwide FilmCompletion and Film Finances.

Attorney Bill Price said Franchise likely will appeal the verdict.

"Since we were prevented from putting on the core of our case, we think we got a pretty good result in that context," Price said. "We think the jury would have come to a different conclusion if they had heard the other evidence."

The defense centered on a claim that Intertainment CEO Barry Baeres secretly agreed to go along with the budget-padding scheme. They further claimed that the lawsuit was a ploy by Intertainment to get out of a multipicture agreement it could no longer afford after the collapse of the Neuer Markt exchange.

Price said pretrial rulings by the judge prevented the jury from hearing evidence that Intertainment allegedly requested inflated budgets from other producers and inflated budgets on pictures before it struck a five-year, 55-picture distribution deal with Franchise in May 1999.

The pact unraveled two years later when Intertainment claimed it had been paying 70% to sometimes more than 100% of the feature budgets, not the 47% it had agreed to with Franchise.

Franchise freely acknowledged that the budgets were inflated but claimed it was only with Baeres` blessing.
Baeres denied any such agreement during the trial. He further disputed a claim that he was desperate to have a pipeline full of high-budget, star-driven features in order to sustain his company`s stock price.

The three-year case took a toll on the finances of both Intertainment and Franchise, which Samaha founded after the Lebanese emigre had already found success in real estate and as a dry cleaning entrepreneur. As a club promoter, Samaha later developed relationships with several Hollywood stars, allowing him to help broker their appearances in films and also save money on his own productions.

[Bumbelbee]

Samaha slammed

Tue Jun 15, 8:00 PM ET

Janet Shprintz, STAFF

This article was updated at 7:20 p.m.





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Elie Samaha`s mercurial rise as a prolific producer took a major hit Wednesday. A federal jury slammed Samaha`s Franchise Pictures with a hefty judgment, awarding $77 million to German distributor Intertainment.


The fraud judgment against Samaha could potentially impede the producer`s relationship with Warner Bros. Samaha`s output deal with the studio has slightly more than a year to run.


The nine-person Santa Ana jury awarded Intertainment the amount asked by company attorney Scott Edelman: $115 million minus a nearly $40 million sum written off by Hypovareins Bank, Intertainment`s lending bank. The jury rejected Intertainment`s claims under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations statute, which would have trebled the verdict.


A hearing is scheduled for today to present evidence on punitive damages.


The jury apparently agreed with Intertainment CEO Barry Baeres` version of the dispute -- that Samaha made up inflated budgets on a slate of pictures so that instead of paying 47% of the budget, as the companies` agreement called for, Intertainment ended up paying most of the costs by itself.


After the verdict came in, Baeres said, "I want to thank the jury for reaching their unanimous decision after hearing the evidence presented over the past nine weeks."


Franchise lead attorney Bill Price tried to put the best possible spin on the verdict. "This is a pretty amazing result for us. No compensatory damages were awarded against Elie personally and the jury rejected the RICO claim." (Although the jury found Samaha personally liable for the fraud, it apportioned all of the damages to Franchise. Whether Samaha can be required to pay the damages personally will decided by U.S. District Court Judge Alicemarie Stotler.)


Price said Franchise had not yet decided whether to appeal.


During the nine-week trial, Baeres trod a thin line to appear naive but not stupid. He presented himself as an ambitious but inexperienced rights broker who wanted to expand into film production with his newly public company.


Paying the bill


He testified that in Samaha he believed he was getting a producer who could deliver studio-level talent cheaply. What he did not know was that he was the victim of an elaborate budget scam designed to hide the fact that he was the only one financing the pictures.


Baeres` biggest challenge at trial was explaining away the numerous red flags he seemingly ignored about the budgets. According to testimony, Baeres saw the real budgets on at least three films and approved the higher sums. Baeres testified that when he asked Samaha about a pic`s two budgets, Samaha would tell him the higher one was real because there was nonbank financing for the pictures.


Because Samaha`s expertise was getting talent like Sylvester Stallone (news) and Bruce Willis (news) to take salary cuts to get their pet projects filmed, Samaha would tell Baeres the higher budgets represented the stars` salary deferments. Once the litigation started, it was revealed that the deferments were bogus and included hugely inflated numbers on actual costs, such as food service and equipment rentals.


Hardest for Baeres to explain away was a $9 million producer fee on "Get Carter." Baeres testified that Samaha told him producer Mark Canton got a $6 million fee, and the remaining $3 million went to the film`s other producers.


With constant quips and irreverent asides, Samaha certainly provided the most entertaining testimony of the trial, but ultimately he did not play well with the jury. The Lebanese-born Samaha described his background as dry cleaner to the stars, club owner and B-picture producer.


Discounted talent





His one great talent, he said, was getting the celebrities who hung out at his clubs to work for cheap. He said that with his grade-school education and limited access to financing, he was no match in business for Baeres, who has a law degree. He did, however, note that he was very good with numbers.

Samaha`s brash defense strategy was to admit to budget fraud but claim that Baeres was a willing participant in the deception. Baeres` motivation was variously described as his desperate need for the star-laden films in order to keep the stock price of his company up or alternatively that Baeres was ultimately going to buy Franchise so he didn`t care about the budgets.

At trial, Samaha claimed that he told Baeres he had no ability to finance mid- and high-budget films and that Baeres told him not to worry about the budgets. As proof, Samaha testified that the fraud was so obvious that it couldn`t possibly be a secret.

Samaha said the best evidence was the $9 million producer fee on "Get Carter." He testified that he told Baeres it was ridiculous but that he had no other place to hide the inflated numbers. Samaha claimed he intentionally sent Baeres the real budgets on the early films. Baeres was furious because he didn`t want his employees to find out about the scam, according to Samaha`s testimony.

Warning signs

Besides the two principals, Baeres` former second-in-command David Williamson was the chief witness. Testifying on behalf of Franchise, he claimed that he repeatedly brought his concerns about budgets to Baeres` attention and that Baeres always worked things out with Samaha and approved the budget.

While Williamson provided the most damaging testimony to Intertainment, his credibility was easily impeached. Not only was he a disgruntled ex-employee who had been fired, but he actively participated in the litigation before he was courted by Franchise and switched sides.

Under a five-year output deal, Intertainment was to finance 47% of the budgets of 60 films, including "Battlefield Earth," "The Whole Nine Yards" and "Art of War." Because of the phony budgets, Intertainment actually ended up financing 60%-90% of the budgets.

After screening "Get Carter," Baeres and Intertainment president Stephen Brown claimed that they discovered the fraud, but the company had already put up letters of credit on nearly a dozen more films. At trial, Intertainment claimed it lost $115 million in the phony budget scheme. With the exception of "The Whole Nine Yards," all of the pictures performed very poorly.

Much has changed since the suit was filed in late 2000. Intertainment, which had the most successful public flotation of 1999 on Germany`s now-defunct Neuer Mart, has seen its stock price plummet. While shares are still publicly traded, the lawsuit is now the company`s major asset. As for Franchise, it still retains its distribution deal with Warners, which runs until November 2005, but now occupies a B-movie, low-profile niche.

Intertainment moves on to a pending arbitration involving Comerica Bank (formerly Imperial) and the two completion bond companies on the pictures.

Intertainment claims that both the bank and the bond companies knew that Intertainment was paying on inflated budgets even though the bank loaned and the bond companies bonded on the real, lower budgets. The financial companies claim they owed no duty to Intertainment and that the distributor could easily have determined the real budgets.


....so Kids, jetzt macht mal eure neuen Sensationsthreads auf

[blockmalz]

Wow, die haben ja schon geurteilt !!!!
WEnn ich das richtig sehe: 115 Mio USD, davpon 77 Mio direkt an Intertainment, der Rest an HVB zur Schuldentilgung !

Heute sollte sich Intertainment mindestens verdoppeln!

[carlosgarcia]

Moin Bumble,

die Kids schlafen noch, aber die Überraschung ist perfekt für den frühen morgen.

Ich gönn´s uns !

gruß carlos

[Dalle]

[werauchimmer]

moin

Ja, das ist doch ein Knaller.

Haar in der Suppe sind leider die abgelehnten Rico-Claims. Wißt ihr, wie sich das auf die anderen Verfahren auswirkt, sind die jetzt ganz vom Tisch oder wie geht das?

[carlosgarcia]

Moin Dalle

Glückwunsch!

carlos

[blockmalz]

Vielleicht haben auch einige Probleme mit der ÜBersetzung ?
Könnte man direkt versuchen zu Börsenbeginn noch ein paar Stück günsitg einzusacken.

[Dalle]

Moin Carlos

Ebenfalls Glückwunsch

[clomobil]

So, nachdem ITN nun gerettet ist, der Kurs wohl daraufhin zurecht die 63 Mill €uronen berücksichtigt, gibt es ja noch Sightsound, meiner Meinung nach konsevativ 300-400 Millionen wert. Das kann aber auch anders gesehen werden von Onkel Bill, nicht wahr?
Bei 25% Beteiligung wären das auch etwa 80 Mille €uronen. Zusammen machen diese Positionen schonmal relativ sichere 145 Millionen Euro. Bei 11 Millionen Aktien halte ich Kurse unter

12 Euro

als Schnäppchen. Und die Interessenten (Openpictures u.a.) sind Gewehr bei Fuss...

ES GEHT WAS

Freenet, wir kommen!!

[clomobil]

hallo block, darauf spekuliere ich auch. bis alle das gecheckt haben dauert es erfahrungsgemäss immer etwas...
aber lass mir noch paar stücke übrig :-)

[carlosgarcia]

Lasst blos die Thread-Kids noch schlafen !!!

gruß carlos

[Bodin1]

YES

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040616/media_franchisefilms_1.html

[werauchimmer]

Konnte die Datei "community/board/http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040616/media_franchisefilms_1.html" nicht öffnen!

[Dalle]

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040616/media_franchisefilms_1.html

[Bodin1]

sorry, jetzt sollte es funzen

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040616/media_franchisefilms_1.html

[Bumbelbee]

Hmmm, hätte nicht gedacht, das meine vier Postings heute Morgen so `ne Welle auslösen , sorry dafür ....by the way, soll ich morgen früh wieder solche Nachrichten einstellen ?

Was ich nur nicht verstehe sind die enormen Stückzahlen, die geworfen werden, aber man lernt ja nie aus an der Börse

mach jetz erstmal Urlaub, mein Orderbuch wird die nächsten Tage eh keinen mehr interessieren