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      schrieb am 19.11.16 18:24:13
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      schrieb am 16.11.16 17:19:37
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      Moin!

      Der Markt hat anscheinend Schwierigkeiten, IT 4 einzuordnen - ich auch :laugh: Einige Investoren scheinen sich aber einig zu sein :cool:

      http://sports.yahoo.com/news/eestor-receives-cdn-1-98-161032…

      Das finde ich in der Tat sehr positiv :D

      Gruß, greenhorn
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      schrieb am 15.11.16 09:24:54
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      Moin!

      Es gab News gestern:

      http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/eestor-announces-co…

      Gruß, greenhorn
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      schrieb am 31.10.16 22:24:14
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      http://m.marketwired.com/press-release/eestor-applies-for-ex…

      Die wohl letzte Fristverlängerung bis Ende März.

      Gruß, Greenhorn
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      schrieb am 24.10.16 17:58:25
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      http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/v.esu/eestor-c…

      A first EEStor Valuation
      Here's a first rough valuation of EEStor as can be guessed if the plans of the direction end up materializing.

      What makes EEStor business interesting since last August, is that it has a two layers business proposition akin to that of ProMetic, that is:
      One low risk / high reward high-voltage capacitor opportunity, only limited by financial constraint, which is the reason we *invest* in ESU.
      One higher risk / very high reward energy storage opportunity, which represents a Giga Bonus over the base investment proposition.


      The high voltage capacitor opportunity

      According to the Dennis Zogbi report (p.15-16), EEStor high-voltage capacitor price-disruptive techno is in position to takeover the 2.8B$ high voltage segment presently dominated by costly aluminum electrolytic capacitor.

      In a related interview, Dennis Zogbi explains in details how, like all commodity business, the high-voltage capacitor industry, which technology has barely changed in the last 80 years, is all about cost. The incumbant players fight for every fraction of percent point in cost saving, and it results in mediocre 15% operating margins. EEStor goal is to sign Joint Venture (JV) agreements with incumbant players in each segment of the 2.8B$ high voltage capacitor market and take it all over with disruptive pricing.

      The comparison sheet provided by EEStor after the crucial Intertek 3rd round of third party test already gives us some precious hint about the level of cost reduction, if only from a material point of view

      Indeed the sheet describes two set of capacitor with same electric spec:
      Industry incumbant 600V capacitor:
      price: > 1500$
      Capacitance: 663µF
      Volume: 35897.4cm³ (35.9 l)
      vs
      ESU (C3-B 700V layers):
      Capacitance: 666µF
      Volume: 3113cm³ (3.1 l)

      and
      Industry incumbant 2400V capacitor:
      Capacitance: 46µF
      Volume: 8932cm³ (8.9 l)
      vs
      ESU (C3-B 1500V layers x2 in series = 3000V):
      Capacitance: 46.5µF
      Volume: 3685cm³ (3.7 l)

      In both case the EEStor capacitor volume is a fraction (10% and ~40%) of the incumbant's. And as pointed out by Zogbi, the material cost per pound is 8$ vs 20$ in favor of EEStor CMBT (Composition Modified Barium Titanate) (and 3$ / pound feedstock before being processed).

      The two capacitors above have volume of ~3-4 litres. The early descriptions of 52.2kW-h CMBT EESU with the less density was suggesting a weight of 300lbs for a volume of 74.5 litre, so about 4 lbs/ litre for grossly the same material used in the capacitors here. So that would set a weight of 12-16 lbs for the 3-4 litres capacitors described above. And we're talking about 8$ per pound for EEStor processed material cost. So that would be a cost of 96$ - 128$ only for the material. And probably more a COGS in the 100-150$ in the best case, if the manufacturing is entirely automated.

      If the competitiors sell the equivalent product at > 1500$ and end up with 15% operating margins, it means pricing them at 85% or 1250$ would put those competitors in the red, and ultimately out of business. That 1250$ represents a 88% - 92% gross margin over a 150-100$ COGS for EEStor. If shipment and sales cost could end up being under 100$ per capacitor, it would represent a margin up to 80% to split between EEStor and an eventual JV partner.

      This suggest we could guess on EEStor ending up with 20% - 40% royalties, and their JV partners ending up with Operating Margins better than their actual 15%, while taking their respective markets all over by puting competitors out of business with disruptive pricing. (And then own a pricing monopoly for the duration of the patents, but that's an other story).

      This means EEStor is in the position of crowning the single incumbant players that will end up owning their entire respective markets for a while, and thus negociating a very, very compelling royalty. But let's be conservative and use a 20% royalty to start with. And let's see what's the financial implication for ESU shareholders.

      First let's take the entire 2.8B$ market and reduce it by 15%, which is the price reduction all around necessary to put all the competitors out of business. That shrinks it the market to ~2.4B$

      Now each 20% slice of the 2.4B$ market is worth EEStor 2.4B x 20% x 20% = 96M$ in royalties which almost goes directly to the bottom line, so let's say 90M$ in earnings.

      With 120M fully diluted shares, that's about 75¢ of Earning Per Share (EPS) for each 20% slice of market. So with a reasonnable Price/Earning (P/E) ratio of ~15, each 10% slice of market would give a ESU Stock Price (SP) of 11.25$.

      That's 75x the actual 15¢ SP.

      20% of the market: 11.25$ (75x the actual 15¢ SP)
      40% of the market: 22.50$ (150x the actual 15¢ SP)
      60% of the market: 33.75$ (225x the actual 15¢ SP)
      All of the market: 56.25$ (375x the actual 15¢ SP)

      I suggest that's the scale of what's at stake if EEStor management delivers on their High-Voltage Capacitor plan. Always good to have a rough idea of the possible outcome in mind.

      Of course, that's with only 20% roylaties, we woud have to double that if the profits are splitted 50-50, which isn't unusual. And it's calculted with the cost of those non-optimal samples used in last August Intertek tests. I'm being told by EEStor management that the final prod cost could be a full order of magnitude less than what I got here. But let's be conservative and use the above numbers to start with.

      The nice thing about that part of the business is that all the R&D, and production engineering is already done. It's based on samples manufactured in EEStor Austin Tx production facility, we're not talking about lab samples that then have to be engineered for production purpose. That part of the job would already be done. Or so goes the story anyway. (I'm still curious to see how that's going to scale up to a capacity of a few million part per year if the whole 2.5B$ market is up for grab, but hey! we'll see! :-) )

      So the main risk, if I understand well, lies mainly in raising enough cash to complete the 6-12 months rodeo of JV agreements negociation. (Especially since those deals normally come with nice upfront on signature, plus lumpsum payments, along the techno transfer and sales milestones.) A nice variation of the chicken and egg problem if you ask me. Just fund it and watch it thrive, right ? Makes one wish he has a M$ available on its margin already! ;-)

      Anyway, that's the low risk / high reward opportunity with EEStor. It's the reason one would *invest* in it, if / as / once the financing have been / is being completed.


      The Eletrical Energy Storage Unit (EESU)

      The other nice thing about EEStor is that on top of that low risk / high reward opportunity there's an other higher risk / very very high reward business opportunity. That of the Electrical Energy Storage Unit (EESU). EEStor management says its objective hasn't change since the early years, so let's have a look at the old claims to get an idea of what's at stake here.

      The early years goal was to build an Electrical Energy Storage Unit able to store 52.2kW-h of energy, weights about 300 lbs (135kg), having a volume of 2.6 cu-ft (74.5 litres), boasting a self discharge rate of ~0.02% per 30 days, featuring a charging time of 3-6 minutes, having no life reduction with deep cycle usage, being built out of non hazardous materials, and showing negligible effect on energy storage due to temperature. The original 2005 plan also called for selling price starting at 3200$ and falling to $2,100 in high-volume production (in 2005 dollars anyway).

      That would be plain and simple a dream electrical energy storage device. It would completely flip the transport sector on its head, from cars to truck to bus to trains to boat to tramways. But it would also disrupt the portable electronic market and provide the necessary equipement to allow renewable non-fossile fuel energy to thrive, because it could be used to separate the moment the energy is produced (while the wind blows and the sun shines) from the moment it is used. The markets are so large, if it works as planed by EEStor, that I have difficulties dimensionning it. Tens and tens of billions, if not hundreds. With proportionnal ESU SP, in the 100s.

      This however involves further material R&D by EEStor, teaming with polymer specialists they plan to sub contract as soon as this round of financing is completed. Management hopes for results in as short as 3 months, once the polymer specialists work starts. I'll believe it when I see it. Material R&D is considered one of the most tricky, slow, and dark art filled there is. EEStor R&D team have been pretty good at it so far, pretty good here including a very impressively low cash burn rate for the present outcome. So as soon as those JV agreements are signed, it could continue for a lonnng time, on such low cash burn rate, in search for that Holy Grail. And that is all good, me think.

      Now the interesting thing is that EEStor doesn't *need* to reach its original plan to score big on the Energy Storage front. It only needs to beat the different battery technologies features in their respective markets, to start with. Take cheap Lead-acid (Gel) batteries for instance. Whereas EESU original goal calls for an energy density of 700 W-h/l (52.2kW-h in 74.5l), lead acid batteries boast an energy density of about only 74 W-h/l, a little over one tenth of the original goal. Considering all the other features of the EESU (extremely fast recharge time, no hasardous materials, no life reduction with deep cycle use and self-discharge rate 50x smaller than that of lead acid batteries), and provided that it's price competitive, one could argue it would only take energy density in about the same ball park, say 50-60 W-h/l to dominate the 40 B$ lead-acid battery market.

      And that alone is > 10x the High-Voltage capacitor market...

      So... a nice Giga Bonus opportunity to keep an eye on, while cashing on the relatively low risk High-Voltage Capacitor disruptive business opportunity, if/when the financing completes.


      Pricing

      A last interesting feature of EEStor is that at the actual fully diluted Market Cap of 15-18 M$ (this yet-to-be-completed financing round included), the whole of it is really priced at pre-bankruptcy level. It really remembers me of ProMetic in early 2012, right before they signed the deals and financing that would brought them on the journey to their actual ~2B$ Market Cap (but with one fifth of the shares). It's at a crossroad. Still a startup, finance and business wise, but with enough material (!) in its hands to thrive if the financing is completed and the next 6-12 months are played well. It can of course still fail, and badly at that, but the R&D has reached a turning point, with a first asset mature enough for it to become a pure business play.

      My 2 cents
      :-)
      FD
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      schrieb am 24.10.16 14:45:13
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      Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 53.539.731 von Forsyth am 24.10.16 12:48:30Korrektur für die sehr gute Analyse:

      http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/v.esu/eestor-c…
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      schrieb am 24.10.16 12:48:30
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      Hier eröffne ich einen Thread, der sich mit dem Wert Eestor beschäftigen soll.
      Eestor Corp ist unter der Zenn hervorgegangen, nachdem sie seit 2009 mehrere Rückschläge erleiden mussten.
      Eestor Corp. ist ein kanadisches börsennotiertes Unternehmen (früher ZENN), welches gegenwärtig 71,3 % an dem privat geführten Eestor Inc. in Austin/Texas hält.
      Eestor an der kanadischen TSX Venture Exchange handelbar.

      http://eestorcorp.com/

      Die Firma versucht nun seit der Neuausrichtung 2015 im Kondensatormarkt Fuß zu fassen, um Geld zu verdienen und es gibt einige interessante Dinge, von denen man ausgehen kann, dass sie es auch schaffen wird.
      Im August 2015 versuchte man den gegenwärtigen Stand der Forschung nach erheblichen Zweifel der Investoren an der Überlebensfähigkeit und die Herstellung eines revolutionären Energiespeicher von Eestor Inc. durch die Firma Intertek testieren zu lassen.
      Intertek gehört zu den Großen bei der Zertifizierung und Prüfung von Produkten

      http://www.intertek.de/uber-uns/

      Anhand dieses Intertektests (IT3)

      http://eestorcorp.com/assets/intertek-phase-3-report---augus…

      wurde der Herausgeber des Paumenok Report Denis Zogbi anhand des Intertekreports gebeten, die Marktchancen für den gegenwärtigen Stand der Überlebensfähigkeit und Entwicklungen der Eestor Inc. zu prüfen.

      http://www.paumanokgroup.com/about-paumanok-group

      Paumanok, Inc. ist der weltweit größte Anbieter von Marktforschung und Beratungsdienstleistungen für die passiven elektronischen Komponenten Industrie.
      Denis Zogbi ist deren Gründer und gab aufgrund der IT 3 folgende Veröffentlichung heraus:

      http://eestorcorp.com/assets/eestor-zogbi-report.pdf

      Hier wird hervorgehoben, dass Eestor im Besitz einer disprutiven Technologien im Bereich der Hochvolt- und Aluminiumkondensatoren zu sein scheint.
      Auch in einem Interview bekräftigte D.Zogbi seine Einschätzung:

      http://eestorcorp.com/assets/ias-interview-with-dennis-zogbi…

      Hier die Vorteile der Eestortechnologie in einem Bild bei der AGM (Aktionärsversammlung)2016

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cevlc9IW8AApOF_.jpg:large

      Hier wird, neben den Vorteilen der Eestorkondensatoren, vor allem die erheblich günstigere Kostenstruktur bei der Herstellung und der Verwendung der verwendeten Materialien hervorgehoben.

      Hierzu eine interessante Analyse eines privaten Investors:

      http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/v.esu/eestor-c…

      Hier ist erkennbar, welches Potential die Firma haben kann.
      Auch wird in der Analyse erklärt, dass man den revolutionären Energiespeicher (Essu)noch nicht vom Tisch genommen hat.
      Hier versucht man nun mit neuen hochpolaren Polymeren, das Problem des Energiespeichers zu lösen.

      Gegenwärtig will man seine Technologie über Lizenzen zu vermarkten und hat aus diesem Grund über private Placements Geld eingesammelt.
      Interessant hierbei ist eine neu eingestellte Personalie Michael Michalyshyn, der umfangreiche Erfahrungen bei der Lizenzierung von Technologien hat

      http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press-releases/2016/02/16/ees…

      Herr Michael Michalyshyn beteiligte sich übrigens auch an einem der privaten placements


      Gegenwärtig erwartet man den Intertekreport 4 und die Lizenzierung der Hochvoltkondensatoren.
      Die Kursentwicklung ist in letzter Zeit sehr interessant.
      Die Aktienanzahl liegt bei gegenwärtig ca. 98.000.000 und soll bei der Ausübung der Optionen/Warrant voll verwässert bei 140-150.000.000 liegen.
      Erste Einnahmen werden durch die Lizenzeinnahmen erwartet.

      Interessante Sourcen:

      http://eestorcorp.com/
      http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/v.esu/eestor-c…
      http://eestorcorp.com/assets/h-m-xrd-sem-reports-08-15-14---…
      http://eestorcorp.com/assets/eestor-zogbi-report.pdf
      http://bloombergtv.ca/2016-08-16/news/industries/tech-and-he…
      http://eestorcorp.com/assets/ias-interview-with-dennis-zogbi…

      Aus meiner Sicht eine sehr interessante Firma, selbst wenn sie nur auf dem Hochvoltkondensatormarkt mit ihrer disprutiven Technologie Fuß fassen werden.
      Dieser Markt alleine wird auf 2,8 Mrd. Dollar, Tendenz weiter steigend, geschätzt.
      Aber aus meiner Sicht wird sich die Firma über Lizenzen ein großes Stück Kuchen herausschneiden.
      Dazu noch die Erwartungen, dass es Eestor schaffen könnte, auf dem Gesamtkondensatormarkt ein riesiges Stück Kuchen herauszuschneiden. Der Gesamtkondensatormarkt wird auf 18-20 Mrd. Dollar weltweit geschätzt.
      Glaubt man dem Kondensatorexperten Zogbi wird es Eestor schaffen sich ein dickes Stück im 6 Mrd. der Aluminium/Tantal/und HV Kondensatormarkt mit seiner einzigartigen Kosten- und Herstellungsstruktur heraus zu schneiden .
      Eestor Kondensatoren sollen dabei leistungsfähiger, stabiler, preiswerter und langlebiger sein. Decken hierbei ein hohes Spektrum ab, sind wärmeunemfindlich, stoßfest.
      Auch nicht uninteressant die Neuauflage der Forschung an ihrem revolutionären Energiespeicher mit neuen hochpolaren Polymeren.

      Ich habe meine Recherchen nach besten Wissen und Gewissen gemacht und bin selber hier mit einer Aktienanzahl investiert.
      Interessante Diskussionen anderer Anleger finden in den englischsprachigen Boards

      https://eestor.slack.com/messages/general/details/ Chat mit 200 Investoren

      und

      http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/v.esu/eestor-c…

      statt.
      Der spekulative Wert ist in Deutschland zumeist unbekannt, was ihn aus meiner Sicht interessant macht.
      Im wallstreetonline Board wird bzw. wurde der Wert unter Zenn diskutiert. Hier auch klar erkennbar, dass es bereits viele Rückschläge gab, die mit einer Neuauflage, nun unter dem Namen Eestor Corp erfolgte.
      Ob es die Neuauflage besser machen wird, ist reine Spekulation. Aber es gibt viele Hinweise und Indizien, dass es so sein wird.

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