GOLD+SILBER CHARTS!! Manipulation oder nur Zufall ???? - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[ThaiGuru]

Vergleicht doch einmal die 24 Stunden Charts von Silber und Gold, fällt Euch dabei etwas auf???

Speziell wenn Ihr die Zeiten, und den Chartverlauf nach der Eröffnung des Handels in New York (rosa eingefärbt)vergleicht.

Beide Edelmetalle fallen genau gleichzeitig steil ab, und das entgegen dem Aufwärtstrend bei Gold, und einem ausgeglichenem Chart, mit einigen Ausbruchsversuchen nach oben bei Silber, im vorangegangenen Handel in Sidney-Hongkong-London.

Wird wohl alles nur Zufall sein, und keine Manipulation?

Unheimlich was es alles für Zufälle gibt???????

Gold-Chart:

http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html

Silber-Chart:

http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html

[Sovereign]

"Unheimlich was es alles für Zufälle gibt???????"

Wenn Du solche Stinktiere wie Goldmann Sucks und JP Moggen als zufällige Ausprägungen der Evolution bezeichnen würdest, hättest Du recht mit Deiner Zufallstheorie

Oh Mann, es wird mir eine verdammte Freude sein, die Goldshorts irgendwann ins Gras beissen zu sehen! Für die Show müßte man eigentlich Eintritt verlangen...LOL

[Sovereign]

Wo ich gerade vom Teufel spreche:

Ashanti Goldfields ASL Goldman Sachs downgraded from Mkt Outperform to Mkt Perform....

Ja, da will wohl jemand billig einkaufen!

Na ja, dafür steht Cambior heute 16 % im Plus, da vermindert meinen "Schmerz" bei Ashanti...

[Goldhotline]

Das ist genau das Umfeld, das wir brauchen.

n-tv berichtet heute morgen (in einem Marktkommentar und dieser wird sicherlich nicht wiederholt), daß die japanischen Banken die Einlagensicherung begrenzt haben (Japans Banken sind höher verschuldet als Argentiniens Banken, sie können nur nicht abgewickelt werden, da Japan der größte Gläubiger!!! (nicht Schuldner) der Wirtschaftswundernation USA ist.

Goldman Sachs wertet die Goldminen ab und der Index dreht bei einem gleichbleibenden Goldpreis aus der Minus- in die Pluszone.

Die Goldhotline

[Insiderin007]

@Goldhotline
Daß sich die Goldminenwerte so unbeeindruckt vom Goldpreis zeigen, ist doch ebenfalls positiv zu werten, oder ?
Insiderin007

[jeffery2]

Warum sind denn die Minen in 01 gestiegen? Weil Onkel Paul und Tante Liesbeth plötzlich ihre Telekom verkauft haben?
Weil die NeuMärker Gold gekauft haben? Ich denke weil die richtigen Räuber eingestiegen sind, die das Gras auch ausserhalb von COT-Statistiken und ähnlichen
Nebelbänken wachsen hören.
Das fröhliche Hoppsassa heute in NY lässt ja einiges befürchten. Nur gute Nachrichten und keiner will ran an den Sarch!
J2

[Basic]

Ein paar Infos zu Japan


Black Blade (1/22/02; 07:51:51MT - usagold.com msg#: 68649)
Japanese Buy More Gold, Withdraw Savings Ahead of Insurance Cap
http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20Financial%…

Snippit:

Tokyo, Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese consumers are buying more gold as they take money out of banks prior to the government capping its deposit guarantee in April, traders said. The flight from savings accounts comes amid growing worries over Japan`s flagging banks, which are laden with more than 150 trillion yen in bad loans and may need public funds to survive the nation`s third recession in a decade.

With fears rising over possible bank failures, especially among smaller lenders, many Japanese are uneasy about the new limits on deposit insurance. The government will cap time deposits in the first year of the new limits and all accounts thereafter. ``We come across customers with rolls of notes in a band with the bank`s emblems,`` said Osamu Ikeda, a spokesman at Tanaka Kikinzoku Kogyo K.K., Japan`s largest gold retailer. ``The more people have social and economic anxiety, the more people buy gold.`` Sales this month at Tanaka`s 130 stores will rise fivefold from year-earlier levels, Ikeda said.

Black Blade: tsk, tsk, all those Japanese buying that barbarous relic! Now why would they do that? Gold - The ultimate "money".





Japan
The average Japanese household has over 100,000 in savings.
The banks will guarantee 75,000.
This means the government is pushing citizens to withdraw over 25,000 and forcing them into a decision what to do with it.
Open another account, stocks, spend, or gently herd them to "exchange it for Gold".
Meanwhile the government is attempting to get bad loans off the banks books.
Is American money buying these "bad" loans at pennies on the dollar, on top of a depressed currency?
If Japan can stop the depression through domestic consumer demand and the economy starts to grow, will these "bad" loans, not be so bad after all?
How to get consumers to spend? Well,in North America, we just up the limit on the credit cards and lower taxes.
In Japan, push the consumer into buying physical gold, until demand causes "the next big thing" and runs to 4 figures.
We could have Japanese "potential" consumers with a windfall of at least 300% on their gold investment.
It has been tough for a long time, there must be pent up demand to "just spend".
Do they sell off some gold, or do they keep the gold and use it for collateral at the banks for that "spending money"?
Hopefully for the banks, they keep their gold and borrow on it. After all, the big thing here,(N.A) is to borrow on your house, pay it back from your estate.
This could work for gold collateral in Japan, with the banks eventually owning the gold.
Anyway, I have to believe one way or another, some of that "organized" windfall is going to be spent.
Could enough spending create enough demand to stop prices from falling?
Could domestic spending get the Japanese economy growing, making some of those "bad" loans profitable?
Could it head off an Asian currency devaluation crisis?
CAN A RISING GOLD PRICE IN THE HANDS OF THE JAPANESE CONSUMER, SAVE THE WORLD FROM DEPRESSION?
(I know we in B.C., would sure like to see them have some money (they want) to spend.
Greenspan can shrug and say it has nothing to do with the dollar, it`s just domestic lack of confidence in the yen.

[NfDrag]

@thaiguru

das ist schon seit ewigkeiten so.jpm erhoeht wohl grade sein derivatevolumen .sind ja erst n paar billiönchen $.da kommts auf die eine oder andere billion auch net mehr an.schaun mer mal, wie lange das noch so funzt.

gruss drag

[ThaiGuru]

@NfDrag

Hier eine in englisch geschriebene Begründung für die fallenden Gold und Silberpreise von David Bogoslaw, für OsterDowJones.


ODJ NY Precious Metals Midday: Fund Selling Presses Gold, Silver Dn

1/22/2002 11:31:00 AM

Jan 22, 2002 (FWN Financial via COMTEX) -- New York, Jan. 22 (OsterDowJones) - Precious metals were trading lower at midday Tuesday, with long liquidation across the board by exasperated commodity funds responsible for the downward pressure in prices. Physical demand for gold appears to have dried up at prices above the allotment price of $283.50 an ounce that the Bank of England auction fetched last Wednesday. Friday`s Commitments of Traders report revealed a surge in net long exposure on Comex by speculative commodity funds, who added nearly 25,000 contracts in the week ended Jan. 15. That means the market is quite vulnerable to long liquidation at the moment, though analyst Tim Evans at Pegaus Econometrics predicted there would be just enough selling to push the gold price back to the lower end of its recent range, in the low $280s a ounce. Feb gold on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange was trading $1.20 lower than Friday at $282.20 a troy ounce. One reason gold prices have held up fairly well to selling was news of physical buying out of Japan as a hedge against a currency under siege, according to Leonard Kaplan, president pf Prospector Asset Management in Evanston, Ill. The yen fell to a new 39-month low of 133.80 to the dollar overnight, with the dollar expected to taget Y135 soon. "A declining yen might (serve as) an outsized stimulus on gold, especially if Japanese investor buying accelerates," he noted. "It`s getting to the point where the Japanese public is highly concerned about the future of their currency. Already there are reports of withdrawals from the banking system ahead of the April deadline, when the governnment will no longer guarantee banking deposits beyond a certain size." In that sense, the yen weakness agaist the greenback is having the reverse effect that declines in most other foreign currencies have. A weaker euro, Swiss franc and British pound will continue to have a depressive effect on gold prices, Kaplan said. Except for Japan`s unique case, however, physical demand has largely disappeared from the market. "Given the absence of consumer buying to keep upward price momentum going in both base and precious metals, there is a strong likelihood that (long liquidation by funds) will continue and there is the possibility of a return to playing metals from the short side soon," said minerals economist Kevin Norrish at Barclays Capital in a report. Look no farther than the sharp decline in short-term lease rates to explain silver`s fall from its recent heights. The one-month rate was back to being bid at 2.5% against a 6% offer Tuesday, Kaplan said. Two weeks ago, it was commanding a 30% rate. While some analysts cited support for Feb gold at $280, Kaplan predicted it would break below there this week, if only to shake more long positions out. Trade buying would push it back above $280, however, he predicted. Mar silver broke below a series of significant technical moving average levels last week and was another 6.5 cents lower to $4.28 an ounce. Similar to what he saw in gold, once fund longs have been reduced in silver, it will be free to rise again, Kaplan said. But it was too early to start buying again, he added. He cited minor support for Mar at $4.25 an ounce and stronger support between $4.19 and $4.22. Pressure was also likely to continue on Nymex platinum and palladium now that more market participants believe Ford Motor Co. will eventually be selling excess metal from the stockpile it recently declared a $1 billion tax writeoff against, Kaplan said. April platinum dropped $4.80 to $475.50 an ounce, while Mar palladium was down $19.85 to $395 an ounce, following lower spot price fixings in London Tuesday afternoon. Suport for platium was pegged at $468 on Friday.

--- David Bogoslaw, OsterDowJones, [phone] [e-mail]

(C) Copyright 2002 FWN



Jetzt haben wir dem Bericht zu folge heute einen Gold Long Squise erleben dürfen, verstärkt duch einen urplötzlichen Rückgang der Nachfrage nach physischem Gold, bedingt durch die angeblich zu hohen Goldpreise.[/b]

ThaiGuru

[ThaiGuru]

Nach ENRON jetzt KMART !!!

Heute wird in den USA bekanngegeben, dass der grösste US Retailer K-Mart Bankrott ist, und den Antrag gestellt hat unter *Chapter 11* gestellt zu werden.

http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/

Damit diese grösste amerikanische Supermarkt Kette die Tore (noch)nicht schliessen müssen, wurde von folgenden Finanzinstituten ein Ueberbrückungskredit von 2000000000.- US $ zur Verfügung gestellt. ($2 billion senior secured debtor-in-possession financing note)von:

Credit Suisse First Boston, Fleet Retail Finance, General Electric Capital Corp. and JPMorgan Chase Bank.

Woher nimmt die JP-Morgan Chase Manhaten nur immer wieder die Kohle her?

Das dieser Megakonkurs mit dem stark fallenden Gold und Silberpreis zusammen fällt, wird wohl auch nur ein Zufall sein?

TG

[Sovereign]

Die Japaner akkumulieren physisches Gold! Wenn sich dieser Trend auf die breite Masse ausweitet (wir brauchen nur noch eine Bankpleite in Japan), dann kann den Shorties kein Bilanztrick und keine Macht der Welt mehr helfen (den Schutzheiligen der Wall Street Alan Greenspan eingeschlossen).
Ist mir sch...egal, wie der Goldpreis von den Shorts runtergeprügelt wird. Ich gebe keine Goldaktie mehr aus der Hand!

01/21 19:44
Japanese Buy More Gold, Withdraw Savings Ahead of Insurance Cap
By Taizo Hirose, Takahiko Hyuga and Miki Anzai


Tokyo, Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Japanese consumers are buying more gold as they
take money out of banks prior to the government capping its deposit guarantee in
April, traders said.

Japan plans to limit its guarantee to 10 million yen ($75,208) per depositor when
banks fail. The specter of that cap and the yen`s 7.7 percent fall against the dollar
since Dec. 1 are prompting wealthy Japanese to flock to gold, said Taizo Kimura,
sales manager in a futures unit of Mitsubishi Corp., Japan`s largest trading company.

The flight from savings accounts comes amid growing worries over Japan`s flagging
banks, which are laden with more than 150 trillion yen in bad loans and may need
public funds to survive the nation`s third recession in a decade.

``This would be another warning that lenders need to act promptly to expedite
bad-loan disposals, as smaller lenders have already seen their deposits falling,`` said
Shinichi Ichikawa, a strategist at Credit Suisse First Boston Securities (Japan) Ltd.

If banks don`t show improvement, the loss of deposits could accelerate and
undermine Japan`s already shaky financial system by limiting liquidity and stifling new
lending, Ichikawa said.

Moody`s Cut

Moody`s Investors Service yesterday lowered its outlook to ``negative`` on credit
ratings for Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corp., Mizuho Holdings Inc. units and other
Japanese lenders. The U.S. rating agency cited concern the new cap on deposit
insurance will ``create another destabilizing factor in the currently fragile financial
conditions of Japanese banks`` and said it fears a string of bankruptcies among small
lenders won`t end by March.

Eitai Credit Association this month was forced into bankruptcy. Almost 100 of the
nation`s 658 credit unions and associations, mainly serving individuals and small
businesses, failed between October 1998 and the end of last year.

With fears rising over possible bank failures, especially among smaller lenders, many
Japanese are uneasy about the new limits on deposit insurance. The government will
cap time deposits in the first year of the new limits and all accounts thereafter.

``We come across customers with rolls of notes in a band with the bank`s emblems,``
said Osamu Ikeda, a spokesman at Tanaka Kikinzoku Kogyo K.K., Japan`s largest
gold retailer. ``The more people have social and economic anxiety, the more people
buy gold.``

Sales this month at Tanaka`s 130 stores will rise fivefold from year-earlier levels,
Ikeda said.

Gold Prices

The generic gold futures contract traded on the Tokyo Commodities Exchange has
risen 10 percent since the beginning of December, hitting a 39-month high earlier this
month. Ikeda said spot prices are up 37 percent from the five-year low hit in
September 1999.

Tokyo-based commodities brokerage Ace Koeiki Co. sold gold worth more than 800
million yen in November and December, 15 times its year-earlier total, said company
spokesman Katsushige Yamazaki.

The company will advertise in newspapers in coming weeks to promote gold and
point out the coming limits on deposit insurance, Yamazaki said. ``Given record-low
interest rates, falling stocks and banks` bad-loan problems, people see gold as a stable
investment,`` he said.

At Mitsubishi Materials Corp., Japan`s biggest nonferrous metals maker, gold sales in
December quadrupled from a year earlier, said Tomoyuki Okuchi, a trader for the
company, confirming a Nihon Keizai newspaper report earlier today. Sales are
accelerating further this month, he said.

Mitsubishi Materials` shares rose as much as 12 yen, or 6.4 percent, to 201 yen in
early Tokyo trading this morning.