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How the resources boom split the golden state
Even some of the biggest beneficiaries from WA's mining boom are ambivalent about its impact.
Graham Evans has lived in Dampier, on the Pilbara coast, for 43 of his 50 years. As a boy, he rode the schoolbus with the famous canine Red Dog, and swam off the beach in a now-vanished children's enclosure, near where a busy hub for commercial seacraft now sits.
Evan's livelihood is linked to the resources sector that dominates Dampier and nearby Karratha; his business, Australian Marine Services, runs a fleet of vessels that services the bustling Dampier port, where 140 million tonnes of iron ore are shipped out each year.
Yet Evans is ambivalent about the changes that have followed the boom. Karratha, the dusty town earmarked by the state government to become a 50,000-strong ''City of the North'', is busting at the seams with its population of 14,000, and a fly-in-fly-out workforce that - at any given time - swells the shire's population by thousands.
It has meant that, after 23 years in business, Evans has never struggled so hard to find, keep and house his staff. In a town where workers are paid as much as $200,000 on a mine or construction site, Evans finds it hard to match the wages and conditions on offer. He has had to buy two extra homes just to accommodate his workers, who would struggle to afford local rents that average about $1500 a week.
These are just some of what he calls the ''little frustrations'' that come with living in the midst of a mining boom - at the very top gear of the multi-speed economy.
Meanwhile, almost 2000 kilometres to the south, in the coastal town of Albany, Elton Woodhams is considering joining the exodus north. Woodhams, 35, owns his own bobcat business, and has just finished building his dream home with his wife, Katie. But in six years running his own business, he's never experienced a time so quiet. This time last year, he was working flat-out, five or six days a week. ''It was busy from day one,'' he says. Now, he's lucky to work one day a week.
With the Australian dollar soaring, Albany's tourism industry is facing greater competition from the cheap lures of Bali, and its farming sector was hit by severe drought last year. But Albany is also suffering the same malaise as any region not linked to the mining boom. It is firmly stuck in second gear.
When those on the east coast picture the two-speed economy, they see a nation divided between the mining states and the rest. They see Western Australia and Queensland running at full speed, their residents raking in boom-time wages and their state governments battling to spend an endless stream of mining royalties, as the rest of Australia grapples with the consequences.
But the truth is that the so-called patchwork economy is not neatly divided along state borders. It is a region-by-region, suburb-by-suburb proposition that is affecting Western Australia just as dramatically as the non-mining states.
Western Australia, however, must deal with the extremes of the patchwork economy in a state almost as big as NSW, Queensland and Tasmania combined; that has a voracious need for people and infrastructure up north, a capital city, Perth, that is staggering under the weight of a population influx, and large areas in the south that are falling behind.
Nationally, the two-speed economy shows no sign of dissipating. Growing fears on how the financial crisis under way in Europe will play out continue to weigh on the minds of Australian consumers and investors; unemployment is ticking up and the high dollar is taking its toll on manufacturers. This week, the chief executives of both BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto warned of a gloomy outlook for the world economy, due to the ructions in Europe.
In Western Australia, retail sales are stronger, wages are higher and unemployment is lower. Despite their caution, both mining bosses reiterated their faith in the continued growth of the Chinese economy, to which Western Australia's wagon is well and truly hitched. Investment data out this week showed the continued strength of the boom - mining investment surged 22 per cent over the three months to September 30, and 60 per cent over the year, helping boost wider business investment to its fastest rate on record.
It all looks rosy in Western Australia, but there is another story below the surface.
''There's a resources boom, but there are also sections of the economy that are travelling very slowly,'' says Eric Ripper, leader of the opposition and the former state treasurer. ''The property market is flat. Every retailer will tell you business is very slow, the tourism industry is struggling, education exports are challenged.
''So the two-speed economy, the multi-speed economy, the patchwork economy is a feature of WA, just as it is a feature of the national economy.''
The ghost town of Cossack sits on the coast north of Karratha. Once a bustling port and centre of the north-west pearling industry, it was at its peak during the 1880s, when thousands of prospectors shuffled through the port on their way to the newly-discovered Pilbara goldfields.
Cyclones, competition from other ports and the end of the gold rush led to Cossack's decline, and it was abandoned after World War II.
But from a lookout near the town, one can see the latest mining boom in full swing. On the horizon, the ore ships - eight or nine at a time - wait their turn to dock and take their load from the giant stockpile at Cape Lambert port, owned by Rio Tinto.
Cape Lambert's 80 million tonne capacity will be more than doubled by 2016, at which point it will overtake nearby Dampier port. Throw in the area's other big resource projects in place or coming soon - Woodside's North West Shelf LNG operation, its upcoming Pluto project, Chevron's Wheatstone LNG project in Onslow, and the tens of billions of dollars of others being planned, built or considered - and it becomes clear where the hunger for workers and money is coming from.
For some, this has resulted in big salaries and big living, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to earn sums of money once unattainable. But it has also warped the local economy.
In Karratha, a housing shortage has pushed up rents on standard four-by-twos to $1800 to $2000 a week. Few can afford to rent in Karratha unless they are housed by their company, or their rent is subsidised. A hotel room costs $350 to $450 a night, and can be a rare commodity. A toasted cheese sandwich costs $12, petrol is $1.60 a litre.
The new buzzword in Karratha is ''normalisation'' - the process by which this dusty boomtown, with its high rents, fly-in-fly-out swagger and lack of amenity, will again be the sort of place where a family can afford to live in a decent house, whether they work in mining or not.
That is not the case now. Not-for-profit organisations are forced to house staff in caravans, and the shire is facing a problem of people living in cars or shipping containers, or camping illegally. Such people often have well-paying jobs, says Fiona White-Hartig, the new shire president. ''But it's just not enough to get them into that rental market.''
White-Hartig is also the president of Karratha Emergency Relief Organisation, which provides food and gas supplies to those in trouble. ''We can't keep up with the demand. And they are people that used to be your middle-class kind of people, but they are struggling.''
She says the local economy needs to diversify, and she is particularly keen to boost the tourism industry. But no tourist charter boats operate out of Dampier, despite the diving attractions of the Dampier archipelago.
'That's really a microcosm of what we're trying to do - by normalising the community the charter boat business can actually afford to live and operate out of there,'' says Nationals leader Brendan Grylls, the state's Regional Development Minister.
How does a state like Western Australia cope with the two-speed economy? Part of the answer lies in Royalties for Regions, under which 25 per cent of the state's royalties are invested back into regional areas.
The policy came in after the 2008 state election, when the Liberals needed the Nationals, led by Grylls, to form government. When Grylls first hatched Royalties for Regions in 2006, 25 per cent of the state's royalties was worth about $375 million. At the election, it had swelled to about $600 million. Now, it is more than $1 billion. ''This has gone better than I could have ever imagined,'' Grylls says.
In the next few years, Royalties for Regions will pump $1 billion into transforming towns like Karratha and Port Hedland into "modern, vibrant cities", which Grylls argues will make it easier to attract workers to the north.
In Karratha, work is underway on a host of new community assets - a youth centre, recreation centre, family centre, and more housing.
A half-finished nine-story tower, complete with crane, dominates Karratha's skyline. It is the Pelago West, a $97 million, 114-unit luxury apartment development, that will have pools and other ''resort-style'' accoutrements. There is nothing else like it in Karratha, but it is a sign of things to come.
The developer, Finbar, is selling one-bedroom units in the Pelago for $600,000; the three-bedroom, two-bathroom apartments, which averaged $975,000, have sold out.
For a new ''luxury'' home in Karratha, these are not bad prices; at the local real estate agent, a basic two-bedroom fibro ''townhouse'' is up for sale at $459,000 (rented at $750 a week), and a modest, two-year-old four-by-two is selling for more than $1 million (rented at $1900 a week).
What will be Karratha's main street, with trees and alfresco dining, is now an unremarkable thoroughfare. What will be a developed waterfront is just red dirt and mangroves. There is no cinema, and few places to lunch. Vibrancy seems some way off.
When the infrastructure is all built, Graham Evans says, ''it will be a good thing''. ''It should have all been put place in 10 years ago. They waited until there were too many people here before they did it.''
Evans has doubts about whether the locals are getting a fair share of the boom. ''My opinion is that they feel a little bit left out. You get people who fly in and fly out, they are fed and given housing allowances, but a lot of average people don't get the big dollars, and the cost of living is still high.''
But it is the oldest town in the shire, Roebourne, that remains its most disadvantaged. Roebourne's population, 75 per cent of which is Aboriginal, also lives with the high cost of Pilbara living. But it also lives with the legacy of Roebourne's tragic history - dispossession, oppression, deaths in custody. Alcoholism, domestic violence and poverty linger.
Royalties for Regions has reached Roebourne, and the mining companies are channelling funds into the community. There are indigenous job programs, and land access agreements with traditional owners. The asbestos-ridden shacks of a notorious part of town called ''the village'' are being torn down and replaced with new homes. There's a new youth centre, and on the edge of town, a 400-lot housing development owned by the Ngarluma Aboriginal Corporation.
Yet, Roebourne's community organisations struggle to provide services and to keep staff, who are the subject of regular poaching attempts by mining companies.
From Roebourne, the distance to policy makers in Canberra feels vast. ''We hear about this two-speed economy,'' says Veronica Rodenburg, Yaandina's chief executive. ''This is the third speed here. We arguably work in the richest place on the planet, but we work among the most incredible levels of poverty and dysfunction.''
The divide between the mining and non-mining parts of the state - the Karrathas and the Albanys - is stark. At the last census, Karratha's median household income was $2010 a week, while Albany's was $846, a gap that is likely to have expanded in the five years since. Karratha's median house price is $777,500, Albany's is $365,500. This year, 800,000 people will pass through Karratha's airport. At Albany, 57,000.
But there is a possibility that the mining boom will arrive on Albany's doorstep. In March, Tasmanian iron ore miner Grange Resources will announce whether it will go ahead with a $2.6 billion magnetite iron ore mine at Wellstead, about 90 kilometres from Albany.
If it happens, it will be huge. The mine will need 600 workers, a desalination plant, its own power line from the coal generation hub of Collie 300 kilometres away, and a pipeline through which the magnetite slurry will travel to Albany port. Hopes are high.
In the meantime, the new mayor, Dennis Wellington, has other plans to bring the mining boom to Albany. He is touting the city as a fly-in-fly-out base, pointing to its relatively affordable housing and range of schools.
''One of the things that's been said about Albany is that it's got a lot of potential,'' Wellington says. ''But you can't eat potential, you've got to realise it. And in the next five years we've got to realise our potential.''
Right now, Albany is getting the raw end of the resurgent mining boom. The high dollar is tempting tourists overseas, especially to Bali, just a few hours from Perth by plane.
Last year, the wheat, sheep and canola farms that surround Albany were hit by a drought, hobbling the agricultural sector that accounts for almost half of Albany's economy. A better harvest is expected this year.
Thanks, in part, to Royalties for Regions, Albany has a new entertainment centre and it will soon have a new hospital. But it remains without a four-star hotel.
''If things don't pick up by January, I'm going,'' says Elton Woodhams, the bobcat driver. He loves Albany, but it also has its frustrations.
If he and Katie move north, he will lose his contacts and clients. And they will be adding to one of Albany's biggest problems - the departure of its brightest and most productive residents. Once, they left to find their fortunes in Perth. Now they travel north to the mines.
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ein langer, guter artikel...
How the resources boom split the golden state
Even some of the biggest beneficiaries from WA's mining boom are ambivalent about its impact.
Graham Evans has lived in Dampier, on the Pilbara coast, for 43 of his 50 years. As a boy, he rode the schoolbus with the famous canine Red Dog, and swam off the beach in a now-vanished children's enclosure, near where a busy hub for commercial seacraft now sits.
Evan's livelihood is linked to the resources sector that dominates Dampier and nearby Karratha; his business, Australian Marine Services, runs a fleet of vessels that services the bustling Dampier port, where 140 million tonnes of iron ore are shipped out each year.
Yet Evans is ambivalent about the changes that have followed the boom. Karratha, the dusty town earmarked by the state government to become a 50,000-strong ''City of the North'', is busting at the seams with its population of 14,000, and a fly-in-fly-out workforce that - at any given time - swells the shire's population by thousands.
It has meant that, after 23 years in business, Evans has never struggled so hard to find, keep and house his staff. In a town where workers are paid as much as $200,000 on a mine or construction site, Evans finds it hard to match the wages and conditions on offer. He has had to buy two extra homes just to accommodate his workers, who would struggle to afford local rents that average about $1500 a week.
These are just some of what he calls the ''little frustrations'' that come with living in the midst of a mining boom - at the very top gear of the multi-speed economy.
Meanwhile, almost 2000 kilometres to the south, in the coastal town of Albany, Elton Woodhams is considering joining the exodus north. Woodhams, 35, owns his own bobcat business, and has just finished building his dream home with his wife, Katie. But in six years running his own business, he's never experienced a time so quiet. This time last year, he was working flat-out, five or six days a week. ''It was busy from day one,'' he says. Now, he's lucky to work one day a week.
With the Australian dollar soaring, Albany's tourism industry is facing greater competition from the cheap lures of Bali, and its farming sector was hit by severe drought last year. But Albany is also suffering the same malaise as any region not linked to the mining boom. It is firmly stuck in second gear.
When those on the east coast picture the two-speed economy, they see a nation divided between the mining states and the rest. They see Western Australia and Queensland running at full speed, their residents raking in boom-time wages and their state governments battling to spend an endless stream of mining royalties, as the rest of Australia grapples with the consequences.
But the truth is that the so-called patchwork economy is not neatly divided along state borders. It is a region-by-region, suburb-by-suburb proposition that is affecting Western Australia just as dramatically as the non-mining states.
Western Australia, however, must deal with the extremes of the patchwork economy in a state almost as big as NSW, Queensland and Tasmania combined; that has a voracious need for people and infrastructure up north, a capital city, Perth, that is staggering under the weight of a population influx, and large areas in the south that are falling behind.
Nationally, the two-speed economy shows no sign of dissipating. Growing fears on how the financial crisis under way in Europe will play out continue to weigh on the minds of Australian consumers and investors; unemployment is ticking up and the high dollar is taking its toll on manufacturers. This week, the chief executives of both BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto warned of a gloomy outlook for the world economy, due to the ructions in Europe.
In Western Australia, retail sales are stronger, wages are higher and unemployment is lower. Despite their caution, both mining bosses reiterated their faith in the continued growth of the Chinese economy, to which Western Australia's wagon is well and truly hitched. Investment data out this week showed the continued strength of the boom - mining investment surged 22 per cent over the three months to September 30, and 60 per cent over the year, helping boost wider business investment to its fastest rate on record.
It all looks rosy in Western Australia, but there is another story below the surface.
''There's a resources boom, but there are also sections of the economy that are travelling very slowly,'' says Eric Ripper, leader of the opposition and the former state treasurer. ''The property market is flat. Every retailer will tell you business is very slow, the tourism industry is struggling, education exports are challenged.
''So the two-speed economy, the multi-speed economy, the patchwork economy is a feature of WA, just as it is a feature of the national economy.''
The ghost town of Cossack sits on the coast north of Karratha. Once a bustling port and centre of the north-west pearling industry, it was at its peak during the 1880s, when thousands of prospectors shuffled through the port on their way to the newly-discovered Pilbara goldfields.
Cyclones, competition from other ports and the end of the gold rush led to Cossack's decline, and it was abandoned after World War II.
But from a lookout near the town, one can see the latest mining boom in full swing. On the horizon, the ore ships - eight or nine at a time - wait their turn to dock and take their load from the giant stockpile at Cape Lambert port, owned by Rio Tinto.
Cape Lambert's 80 million tonne capacity will be more than doubled by 2016, at which point it will overtake nearby Dampier port. Throw in the area's other big resource projects in place or coming soon - Woodside's North West Shelf LNG operation, its upcoming Pluto project, Chevron's Wheatstone LNG project in Onslow, and the tens of billions of dollars of others being planned, built or considered - and it becomes clear where the hunger for workers and money is coming from.
For some, this has resulted in big salaries and big living, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to earn sums of money once unattainable. But it has also warped the local economy.
In Karratha, a housing shortage has pushed up rents on standard four-by-twos to $1800 to $2000 a week. Few can afford to rent in Karratha unless they are housed by their company, or their rent is subsidised. A hotel room costs $350 to $450 a night, and can be a rare commodity. A toasted cheese sandwich costs $12, petrol is $1.60 a litre.
The new buzzword in Karratha is ''normalisation'' - the process by which this dusty boomtown, with its high rents, fly-in-fly-out swagger and lack of amenity, will again be the sort of place where a family can afford to live in a decent house, whether they work in mining or not.
That is not the case now. Not-for-profit organisations are forced to house staff in caravans, and the shire is facing a problem of people living in cars or shipping containers, or camping illegally. Such people often have well-paying jobs, says Fiona White-Hartig, the new shire president. ''But it's just not enough to get them into that rental market.''
White-Hartig is also the president of Karratha Emergency Relief Organisation, which provides food and gas supplies to those in trouble. ''We can't keep up with the demand. And they are people that used to be your middle-class kind of people, but they are struggling.''
She says the local economy needs to diversify, and she is particularly keen to boost the tourism industry. But no tourist charter boats operate out of Dampier, despite the diving attractions of the Dampier archipelago.
'That's really a microcosm of what we're trying to do - by normalising the community the charter boat business can actually afford to live and operate out of there,'' says Nationals leader Brendan Grylls, the state's Regional Development Minister.
How does a state like Western Australia cope with the two-speed economy? Part of the answer lies in Royalties for Regions, under which 25 per cent of the state's royalties are invested back into regional areas.
The policy came in after the 2008 state election, when the Liberals needed the Nationals, led by Grylls, to form government. When Grylls first hatched Royalties for Regions in 2006, 25 per cent of the state's royalties was worth about $375 million. At the election, it had swelled to about $600 million. Now, it is more than $1 billion. ''This has gone better than I could have ever imagined,'' Grylls says.
In the next few years, Royalties for Regions will pump $1 billion into transforming towns like Karratha and Port Hedland into "modern, vibrant cities", which Grylls argues will make it easier to attract workers to the north.
In Karratha, work is underway on a host of new community assets - a youth centre, recreation centre, family centre, and more housing.
A half-finished nine-story tower, complete with crane, dominates Karratha's skyline. It is the Pelago West, a $97 million, 114-unit luxury apartment development, that will have pools and other ''resort-style'' accoutrements. There is nothing else like it in Karratha, but it is a sign of things to come.
The developer, Finbar, is selling one-bedroom units in the Pelago for $600,000; the three-bedroom, two-bathroom apartments, which averaged $975,000, have sold out.
For a new ''luxury'' home in Karratha, these are not bad prices; at the local real estate agent, a basic two-bedroom fibro ''townhouse'' is up for sale at $459,000 (rented at $750 a week), and a modest, two-year-old four-by-two is selling for more than $1 million (rented at $1900 a week).
What will be Karratha's main street, with trees and alfresco dining, is now an unremarkable thoroughfare. What will be a developed waterfront is just red dirt and mangroves. There is no cinema, and few places to lunch. Vibrancy seems some way off.
When the infrastructure is all built, Graham Evans says, ''it will be a good thing''. ''It should have all been put place in 10 years ago. They waited until there were too many people here before they did it.''
Evans has doubts about whether the locals are getting a fair share of the boom. ''My opinion is that they feel a little bit left out. You get people who fly in and fly out, they are fed and given housing allowances, but a lot of average people don't get the big dollars, and the cost of living is still high.''
But it is the oldest town in the shire, Roebourne, that remains its most disadvantaged. Roebourne's population, 75 per cent of which is Aboriginal, also lives with the high cost of Pilbara living. But it also lives with the legacy of Roebourne's tragic history - dispossession, oppression, deaths in custody. Alcoholism, domestic violence and poverty linger.
Royalties for Regions has reached Roebourne, and the mining companies are channelling funds into the community. There are indigenous job programs, and land access agreements with traditional owners. The asbestos-ridden shacks of a notorious part of town called ''the village'' are being torn down and replaced with new homes. There's a new youth centre, and on the edge of town, a 400-lot housing development owned by the Ngarluma Aboriginal Corporation.
Yet, Roebourne's community organisations struggle to provide services and to keep staff, who are the subject of regular poaching attempts by mining companies.
From Roebourne, the distance to policy makers in Canberra feels vast. ''We hear about this two-speed economy,'' says Veronica Rodenburg, Yaandina's chief executive. ''This is the third speed here. We arguably work in the richest place on the planet, but we work among the most incredible levels of poverty and dysfunction.''
The divide between the mining and non-mining parts of the state - the Karrathas and the Albanys - is stark. At the last census, Karratha's median household income was $2010 a week, while Albany's was $846, a gap that is likely to have expanded in the five years since. Karratha's median house price is $777,500, Albany's is $365,500. This year, 800,000 people will pass through Karratha's airport. At Albany, 57,000.
But there is a possibility that the mining boom will arrive on Albany's doorstep. In March, Tasmanian iron ore miner Grange Resources will announce whether it will go ahead with a $2.6 billion magnetite iron ore mine at Wellstead, about 90 kilometres from Albany.
If it happens, it will be huge. The mine will need 600 workers, a desalination plant, its own power line from the coal generation hub of Collie 300 kilometres away, and a pipeline through which the magnetite slurry will travel to Albany port. Hopes are high.
In the meantime, the new mayor, Dennis Wellington, has other plans to bring the mining boom to Albany. He is touting the city as a fly-in-fly-out base, pointing to its relatively affordable housing and range of schools.
''One of the things that's been said about Albany is that it's got a lot of potential,'' Wellington says. ''But you can't eat potential, you've got to realise it. And in the next five years we've got to realise our potential.''
Right now, Albany is getting the raw end of the resurgent mining boom. The high dollar is tempting tourists overseas, especially to Bali, just a few hours from Perth by plane.
Last year, the wheat, sheep and canola farms that surround Albany were hit by a drought, hobbling the agricultural sector that accounts for almost half of Albany's economy. A better harvest is expected this year.
Thanks, in part, to Royalties for Regions, Albany has a new entertainment centre and it will soon have a new hospital. But it remains without a four-star hotel.
''If things don't pick up by January, I'm going,'' says Elton Woodhams, the bobcat driver. He loves Albany, but it also has its frustrations.
If he and Katie move north, he will lose his contacts and clients. And they will be adding to one of Albany's biggest problems - the departure of its brightest and most productive residents. Once, they left to find their fortunes in Perth. Now they travel north to the mines.
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.452.377 von zyperus am 07.12.11 22:05:21hallo,
diese meldung finde ich sehr interessant.
es geht die unmittelbare nähe...
...• Located ~80km from Albany Port on the southern coast of Western Australia
• Lying along strike from Grange Resources’ Southdown Magnetite Deposit (resource estimate of 654Mt @ 36.5% magnetite)
......
hier werden einige interessen vorhanden sein sich am struktur
aufbau von grange,...albany port...pipeline...energiekonzept (eigenes kw)...
straßen/wegerechte...um selbst geld zu sparen....zu beteiligen.
und es ist ein weitgehender bereich mit einigen firmen.
ein großteil der vor ort geleisteten infrastructur arbeiten und den
geleisteten erschließungen werden sich über jahre auszahlen über lizenzen.
ein sehr guter, kritischer, bericht über den infrastruktur wandel
der region poste ich im nächsten...
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diese meldung finde ich sehr interessant.
es geht die unmittelbare nähe...
...• Located ~80km from Albany Port on the southern coast of Western Australia
• Lying along strike from Grange Resources’ Southdown Magnetite Deposit (resource estimate of 654Mt @ 36.5% magnetite)
......
hier werden einige interessen vorhanden sein sich am struktur
aufbau von grange,...albany port...pipeline...energiekonzept (eigenes kw)...
straßen/wegerechte...um selbst geld zu sparen....zu beteiligen.
und es ist ein weitgehender bereich mit einigen firmen.
ein großteil der vor ort geleisteten infrastructur arbeiten und den
geleisteten erschließungen werden sich über jahre auszahlen über lizenzen.
ein sehr guter, kritischer, bericht über den infrastruktur wandel
der region poste ich im nächsten...
gruß
zyperus
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.456.511 von maximalmax am 08.12.11 18:20:02hallo maximalmax,
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(Canasil ,Go Goliath,Mineral Hill, Vantex sind Dauerwerte )
die Käufe Granke Res. und GBN
auf meiner Beobachtung stehen
Bralone Goldmines A0B75M
Appleton Explorer ca 0380371074
Minco Silver A0ESX%
Eisen ist für mich ein rückläufiges Invest,da in vielen
Ländern viel zu viel gebaut worden ist ,hatte mal
Talon Metals aus Brasilien auf dem Radar !
Mein Metall ist hochwertiges Vanadium ,wegen der Super-
anwendung in Energiespeicheranlagen !
natürlich hätte ich etwas genauer arbeiten müssen ,aber selten
werden die eigenen Werte von anderen interessiert aufgenommen !
Also meine Strategie ist ca 20 Werte am Anfang vom Jahr und
dann wird sukzesive gesiebt und bei den Guten nachgekauft,
falls die gestiegen sind ,nehme ich 50% mindestens wieder raus ! um neue interessante Werte zu kaufen !
Meine Werte sind Golden Band wkn 900175
Bayfield Ventures 509728
Redhill Res. A1H6BB
(Canasil ,Go Goliath,Mineral Hill, Vantex sind Dauerwerte )
die Käufe Granke Res. und GBN
auf meiner Beobachtung stehen
Bralone Goldmines A0B75M
Appleton Explorer ca 0380371074
Minco Silver A0ESX%
Eisen ist für mich ein rückläufiges Invest,da in vielen
Ländern viel zu viel gebaut worden ist ,hatte mal
Talon Metals aus Brasilien auf dem Radar !
Mein Metall ist hochwertiges Vanadium ,wegen der Super-
anwendung in Energiespeicheranlagen !
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.454.964 von manffreddoo am 08.12.11 14:21:10hallo manffreddoo,
sie mit grange zu vergleichen fällt mir schwer...grange mit savage
river und div. allein wären schon top....anbei der albany port southdown
projekt als schmanckerl so gut wie durch...auf dem tellerchen...
ein gewisses geopolitisches risiko besteht eigentlich immer...
zumindest bei den meisten werten dieses segemntes.
bleiben wir bei eisen...z.b. zanaga iron ore...
Zanaga Iron Ore Company Limited is the owner of 50% less one share interest in the Zanaga Iron Ore Project based in the Republic of Congo through its joint venture partnership with Xstrata. The Zanaga Iron Ore Project is focused on the management, development and construction of a world-class iron ore mine and related, processing, rail and port infrastructure.
nun congo, aber mein beispiel. dyor.
habe ich eine kleine anfangsposi in london (105 gbp) gekauft, charttechnisch interesant, bruch 100gbp.
ein paar worte zur div., diese war für mich ein exempel der
guten mm arbeit. aber nicht das hauptargument...
für mich sind seit ich dabei bin nicht die div. aussichten wichtig...
sondern der weiterhin kontinuierliche aufbau der beiden hauptprojekte.
davon verdient eines die div....durchaus denkbar das sie geld in das
hauptprojekt benötigen....es sei denn die finanzierung läuft weiterhin
mit dem newsflow und den preisen weiter so....nochmal eine weitere permanente div zahlung ist nicht zu 100% sicher.
gruß
zyperus
sie mit grange zu vergleichen fällt mir schwer...grange mit savage
river und div. allein wären schon top....anbei der albany port southdown
projekt als schmanckerl so gut wie durch...auf dem tellerchen...
ein gewisses geopolitisches risiko besteht eigentlich immer...
zumindest bei den meisten werten dieses segemntes.
bleiben wir bei eisen...z.b. zanaga iron ore...
Zanaga Iron Ore Company Limited is the owner of 50% less one share interest in the Zanaga Iron Ore Project based in the Republic of Congo through its joint venture partnership with Xstrata. The Zanaga Iron Ore Project is focused on the management, development and construction of a world-class iron ore mine and related, processing, rail and port infrastructure.
nun congo, aber mein beispiel. dyor.
habe ich eine kleine anfangsposi in london (105 gbp) gekauft, charttechnisch interesant, bruch 100gbp.
ein paar worte zur div., diese war für mich ein exempel der
guten mm arbeit. aber nicht das hauptargument...
für mich sind seit ich dabei bin nicht die div. aussichten wichtig...
sondern der weiterhin kontinuierliche aufbau der beiden hauptprojekte.
davon verdient eines die div....durchaus denkbar das sie geld in das
hauptprojekt benötigen....es sei denn die finanzierung läuft weiterhin
mit dem newsflow und den preisen weiter so....nochmal eine weitere permanente div zahlung ist nicht zu 100% sicher.
gruß
zyperus
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.454.159 von zyperus am 08.12.11 11:52:14....danke.....bin noch mächtig am überlegen....möglicherweise hat Bellzone ein geopolitisches Risiko?
Sonst scheint der Wert auch sehr günstig zu sein genau, wie Grange, nur dass letztere schon produzieren und ne ordentliche,nein,eine äusserst gute Dividende ausschütten...
Sonst scheint der Wert auch sehr günstig zu sein genau, wie Grange, nur dass letztere schon produzieren und ne ordentliche,nein,eine äusserst gute Dividende ausschütten...
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.453.957 von manffreddoo am 08.12.11 11:13:38hallo manffreddoo,
eisenerze sind für mich pers. durchaus mehr als
zwei aktientitel wert...bellzone ist sehr interessant...
gruß
zyperus
eisenerze sind für mich pers. durchaus mehr als
zwei aktientitel wert...bellzone ist sehr interessant...
gruß
zyperus
...so bin heute Nacht in Sydney bedient worden mit 0,50 cent.....die Order in Ffm lass ich mal noch drin.
Frage an die Runde:
Ihr kennt sicherlich Bellzone .
Was denkt Ihrzu einem zweigleisigen Vorgehen in Sache Eisenerze?
Schönen Tag noch
M.
Frage an die Runde:
Ihr kennt sicherlich Bellzone .
Was denkt Ihrzu einem zweigleisigen Vorgehen in Sache Eisenerze?
Schönen Tag noch
M.
hallo,
Zeit 08.12.11, 07:44:02
Geld Stk. 10000
Brief Stk. 5700
mal sehen ab oder ob wieder die brief posi kommt....
gruß
zyperus
Zeit 08.12.11, 07:44:02
Geld Stk. 10000
Brief Stk. 5700
mal sehen ab oder ob wieder die brief posi kommt....
gruß
zyperus
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