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119-seitige Studie zur Bankenkrise durch Gold-Derivate!!
von RazzFazz 09.06.00 09:17:56 1070880
Hallo Goldfans!

Hier gibt es eine 119-Seitige Studie im PDF-Format (752 kB) Thema: "Gold Derivative Banking Crises"

http://www.gata.org/test.html

oder direkt:

http://www.GATA.org/congress.pdf

Autor: Bill Murphy - Charman, Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA)

Gruss: RazzFazz



von gloom 09.06.00 23:08:41 1076247
Und nochmals hoch damit.
Die GATA-Leute haben es verdient.

http://www.gata.org/test.html

Immer das Aktuelle über GATA sowie den MIDAS-Kommentar:

http://www.egroups.com/group/gata
(Message-Archiv anklicken)

Dann lest mal schön übers lange Wochenende. - Es lohnt sich!



von manfred1_I 10.06.00 18:33:19 1078429
Also es lohnt sich zu lesen.

Ein Lob den GATA Leuten für diese excellente
Arbeit.



von gloom 10.06.00 19:23:48 1078556
Dies ist eigentlich keine Werbung (da ich kein Geld dafür kriege).

An alle die zwar einigermassen Englisch sprechen beim Lesen aber
doch ab und zu etwas nicht verstehen (wie ich). Ich habe mir
vor einigen Wochen die Software `Pop-up Wörterbuch XL` von der Firma
mit dem `L` für 99.-- Mark gekauft. Das Prg. ist wirklich eine
gute Hilfe beim Online-Lesen. Wort nur anklicken oder markieren
und schon folgt die Übersetzung in einer Sprechblase.

Sorry Sysop wegen der Schleichwerbung; aber ich habe die Firma
ja nicht genannt ;-)



von just_do_it_de 10.06.00 21:33:13 1078903
Hallo Gata-Fans
würde auch gern den 119-seitigen Bericht lesen.
Der ist aber nur im pdf-Format erhältlich.

So nun benötige ich den neuesten pdf-Format-Reader,
da der alte pdf-Format-Reader es nicht kann.

Logisch lade einfach den pdf-Format-Reader runter
dann kommt die Meldung 6,2 MByte gross.

Beim downloaden kommt die Meldung
Übertragung mit Modem 2,74kBit/s

6,2MByte x 1024 =6348 kByte
6348 kByte x 8 =50784 kBit

50784 kBit : (2,74 kBit/s) =308 min

308 min : 60 = 5,1 Stunden

Wer kann mir sagen wo ich den pdf-Format-Reader
schneller runterladen kann.



von RazzFazz 10.06.00 21:57:58 1078967
Im Kiosk gibt´s zB die "PC-Welt" mit einer Heft-CD welche den Acrobat-Reader v4.0x enthält. Schau aber vorher in die Inhaltsangabe. Eventuell must Du eine andere
PC-Zeitschrift wählen.

oder:

http://www.adobe.de/homepageacro.html

ca 7.0 kB/sec

Gruss: RazzFazz



von TFischer 10.06.00 23:02:41 1079153
Da viele Programme das Handbuch in dieser Form (PDF File) auf der CD haben, besteht durchaus die Möglichkeit, dass Du den Reader schon auf einer solchen CD
hast.

Good Luck

TFischer



von just_do_it_de 11.06.00 00:38:10 1079421
Danke Board-Freunde

Habe mit dem Acrobat reader 2.0 immer Probleme gehabt

Eine CD eines Programms (neueren) Datums habe ich
durchsucht mit Start----Suchen-----reader
Und habe die Version 3.01 Acrobat reader gefunden die funktioniert

Manchmal braucht man einfach mal einen Tip



von Sep 11.06.00 02:33:53 1079555
und auf vielen dieser CDs gibt es das Übersetzungsprogramm

babylon

das macht scheinbar genau das, was auch das Übersetzungsprogramm macht von der Firma mit dem " L ".

Nur hier ist es frei erhältlich, also noch freeware, version im Moment ist 2.2.

SEP



von just_do_it_de 11.06.00 09:03:49 1079662
Hallo Goldbugs

119-Seiten sind ganz schön viel
wenn man nur ab und zu mal lesen will
sucht man einfach ein Stichwort z.B. --LTCM--
mit dem Fernglas-Icon im Acrobat-Reader
kann man dann schön nachlesen was damals sich alles so
um den LTCM-Fond abspielte


noch einige Stichworte = keywords


--ECB-- = europs central banks (die Zentralbanken der einzelnen Mitgliedsländer)

ECB and the central banks of the EMU countries
--EMU-- = europ monetary union ( europäische Währungsunion)

U.S. which values its gold stock of about 8150
Suchwort z.B. --U.S.--

--LTCM--


--BOE--


--Deutsche Bank--

und nicht zu vergessen

--swiss--

und die Wirtschaftsmacht

--Japan--

wish you a wonderful night



von gloom 14.06.00 20:37:03 1099724
Hallo GATA Freunde, besonders die `Neudazugekommenen`

Bill Murphy hat in seinem MIDAS-Kommentar v. 12.6. eine gute
und kurze Zusammenfassung des GATA Berichts publiziert. Ich hänge
hier das Wichtigste für alle die sich mit der Langversion schwertun
kurz an:

GATA believes that a cabal of bullion banks and U.S.
government agencies has orchestrated the manipulation
of the gold market.

Nominees for the "gold collusion awards" go to: Goldman
Sachs, Deutsche Bank, UBS, Morgan Bank, Chase Bank, and
possibly Morgan Stanley. For the U.S. government
nominee, we believe it is coming from either the U.S.
Treasury Department`s Exchange Stabilization Fund or
the New York Fed.

The issue of manipulation is in some ways very simple
to ascertain, yet, at the same time, it is extremely
complicated.

The motive for the investment banks and their clients
is that for years now they have been able to borrow
gold from central banks at 1 percent interest rates,
sell that physical gold in the market, and then invest
the proceeds in other financial instruments such as
U.S. Treasury bonds, etc.

A pretty sweet deal. How would your readers like to go
to their bank and borrow money at those rates --
practically interest-free? There is one catch. When the
borrower of the gold goes to pay back the loan, the
borrower must pay the market price of gold. If the
price of gold were to skyrocket, the effective interest
rate of the loan would soar into loan shark rate
territory.

That is the motive for the banks to make sure the gold
price does not rise past $290, which is where most of
the loans have been priced in recent years. That is why
the gold price is always pushed back below $290 every
time it rises above that mark, or gets close to it.

GATA now believes that a nightmare problem for the
bullion banks has developed. It is our opinion that the
gold loans (which the bullion banks have borrowed from
the central banks) now exceed 11,000 tonnes. Mine
supply for 1999 was only 2,579 tonnes. Worse, most of
that "loaned gold" is not lent but sold. It cannot be
retrieved because it has been converted to jewelry form
and is being worn by the people of India, Hong Kong,
etc.

The manipulation crowd knows they have a big problem on
their hands in the sense that there just is not enough
physical gold to be had if the gold price rises and a
number of the gold loans are called in. That is the
motive for the manipulation. It is our guess that the
gold market was not initially manipulated at all, but
when the above mentioned players realized how bad the
situation was, an effort to hold down the gold price
was begun.

As a result of the incredible buildup in gold
derivatives at Deutsche Bank and, to a much lesser
degree at Dresdner Bank, we now think that the Germans
may have been co-opted into the manipulation scheme --
at least for the time being. In late September 1999, 15
European central banks announced an agreement to
curtail European central bank gold sales to 400 tonnes
per annum and to cap future gold lending at present
levels.

The price of gold exploded $84 in a couple of weeks.
That price reaction by gold players to the Washington
Agreement revealed a short position far larger than the
signatory European central banks anticipated. Facing a
melt-up in gold prices and possible defaults on their
own outstanding gold loans, these banks -- probably
further prodded by Anglo-American pressure -- permitted
the two German banks to participate in a rescue
operation as the price of gold was forced lower once
again.

That may not be the case, but it sure looks like that
is what happened.

We now have some public evidence that supports our
contentions. A gold derivative is just a financial
instrument that is related to gold bullion. A put,
call, or futures contract is a derivative. Over the
past many months commodity prices have been steadily
rising and the oil price in the U.S. is over $30 once
again. Historically, that would be constructive for the
gold price. At the same time, major producers like
Normandy Mining Ltd. of Australia are delivering into
their forward hedges, not selling gold into the market,
which means world gold supply has been reduced
somewhat.

Why is the gold price not going up? It is a bit
complicated but it is not physical gold that is holding
down the price of gold, but PAPER gold, or gold
derivatives. There are facts out there in the public
arena that support the Gold Anti-Trust Action
Committee`s contentions and those of Reginald H. Howe
of www.GoldenSextant.com.

According to the findings of the Office of the
Controller of the Currency in its March 31, 2000
report:

* The notional off-balance-sheet gold derivatives on
the books of J.P. Morgan increased to $36.3 billion
from $18.1 billion as of July 1, 1999.

* Chase Bank increased their gold derivative position
by more than 40 percent to $31.5 billion from $22
billion. It took Chase 14 years to get to $22 billion.

* Deutsche Bank`s gold derivative growth is just plain
stunning in the speed and magnitude of its growth, as
it went from almost nothing in 1996 to a total notional
value of over US$50 billion, or nearly 5,000 tonnes of
gold, at the end of 1999. Even more remarkable is that
this position exploded to $51.2 from only $16.2 billion
in one year.

At the same time, GATA delegate and braintrust Reginald
Howe points out that the latest Bank of International
Settlement figures from Basle, Switzerland, show that
"gold deposits by central banks fell almost 12 percent
from 927 tonnes to 819 tonnes, and gold assets also
fell by 108 tonnes to 1,018 tonnes. However, gold held
in bars declined almost 20 percent. from 813 tonnes to
658 tonnes. At the same time, total gold lending
increased 47 tonnes to 360 tonnes, and accounted for
over 35 percent of total gold assets versus 28 percent
the prior year."

One cannot help to come to the conclusion that there is
great stress in the physical gold market. Physical gold
supply is diminishing, lending is up, gold derivatives
have risen sharply. Those are the facts. The Gold Anti-
Trust Action Committee believes that a gold price
explosion is coming when these facts are understood by
the investing world.

(http://www.egroups.com/message/gata/485?&start=475)

Ich gehe das Risiko ein, als Wiederholungstäter beschimpft zu werden,
fordere aber trotzdem alle die`s noch nicht getan haben nochmals dazu
auf, den GATA-Bericht zu lesen. - Das hier ist wirklich nur ein sehr
kleiner Extrakt.



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[aneises2]

Hallo zusammen,

habe dieses Thema aus dem Goldaktienboard hierher kopiert. Das beste wäre Ihr schaut direkt im Goldaktien - Board vorbei, dort steht alles zu diesem Thema.

mfg
aneises2

[aneises2]

Hallo zusammen,

kein Beitrag zu solch einem prisanten Thema??

mfG
aneises2