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GOLD WIRD AUF 1200 -1500 DOLLLAR DIE UNZE STEIGEN UND DAS IN DEN NÄCHSTEN 1.5- 2 JAHREN
GRUND MASSIVE DEFLATION IN AMERIKA
WEITERE ZINSENKUNGEN IN AMERIKA DIE DEN EURO AUF 1.60 bis 1.80 DEN DOLLAR BRINGEN WERDEN
AKTIENMAÄRKTE HABEN TIEFPUNKTE NOCH NICHT GESEHEN
DAX ZIEL 800 -1000 PUNKTE
NASDAQ ZIEL 300-400 PUNKTE
DOW ZIEL 1500-2000 PUNKTE
DEFLATION WIRD ZUR MASSIVEN GEWINN ERROSSION FÜHREN IN NICHT GEKANNTEM AUSMAß
produzenten preis index in amerika war nur vorgeschmack mit dem größten fall seit 57 jahren
beginn des erneuten abschwungs im laufenden 2 halbjahr
GRUND MASSIVE DEFLATION IN AMERIKA
WEITERE ZINSENKUNGEN IN AMERIKA DIE DEN EURO AUF 1.60 bis 1.80 DEN DOLLAR BRINGEN WERDEN
AKTIENMAÄRKTE HABEN TIEFPUNKTE NOCH NICHT GESEHEN
DAX ZIEL 800 -1000 PUNKTE
NASDAQ ZIEL 300-400 PUNKTE
DOW ZIEL 1500-2000 PUNKTE
DEFLATION WIRD ZUR MASSIVEN GEWINN ERROSSION FÜHREN IN NICHT GEKANNTEM AUSMAß
produzenten preis index in amerika war nur vorgeschmack mit dem größten fall seit 57 jahren
beginn des erneuten abschwungs im laufenden 2 halbjahr
wie leitet sich denn das kursziel 1200-1500 USD her?
gold ist an den dollar gekoppelt fällt der dollar steigt der goldpreis allein die dollarbewegung die ich sehe würde den goldpreis auf etwa 800 dollar die unze bringen ohne alle anderen faktoren
Ich bin ja auch dafür gut zu mischen 10-15 % Gold sind bestimmt gut aber....
So schlimm wird es sicher nicht in 1-2 Jahren.
Gold auf 550 -650 in 2 Jahren ok!
Deflation könnte sein????
Aber breit streuen und Aktien, Renten und Gold super mischen dazu monatlich nachkaufen und genug Barreserve für kleine chrashs für zwischendurch. Ich freue mich bei Defation aber auch bei Inflation.
Und Vorsicht es werden trotz sinkender Wirtschaftszahlen
alle sehr bullisch??
Sell in May kommt noch !!! Wetten um Flasche Rotwein!
Marco
ok du bist etwas pessimistischer für den gold preis das stimmtz mich optimistischer meine wahren kurziel glaubt sowieso keiner
was diversikation angeht hab ich noch nie gemacht
halte immer nur megatrend sektoren und kenn mich auch nur in 2 bereichen aus tech und gold
was diversikation angeht hab ich noch nie gemacht
halte immer nur megatrend sektoren und kenn mich auch nur in 2 bereichen aus tech und gold
Wenn Du von einer Deflation ausgehst, solltest Du eher zum Ergebnis kommen, dass der Goldpreis brutal sinkt.
Bei Hyperinflation würde der Goldpreis steigen.
Bei Hyperinflation würde der Goldpreis steigen.
Hallo GOLDHAUSSE,
ist es dann ok einen Goldfonds zu kaufen ? Dachte an
den Meryll Lynch. Dass der in Dollar notiert stört nicht, oder ?
Danke !
ist es dann ok einen Goldfonds zu kaufen ? Dachte an
den Meryll Lynch. Dass der in Dollar notiert stört nicht, oder ?
Danke !
die inflation wird kommen und zwar nach der deflation
wenn die zinsen bei fast null in amerika angekommen sind
noch sind wir in der deflation drin und zwar im letzen drittel deshalb die kursziele für dow dax und nasdaq
wir sind faktisch schon drei jahre in der deflation
wenn die zinsen bei fast null in amerika angekommen sind
noch sind wir in der deflation drin und zwar im letzen drittel deshalb die kursziele für dow dax und nasdaq
wir sind faktisch schon drei jahre in der deflation
nur nach diesem kurzen intermezzo wird sich die lage der gewinne nocheinmal massiv verschärfen der goldpreis wird die nachfolgende inflation aber jetzt schon vorrausnehmen
und auf die verstärkte deflationswelle nicht mehr reagieren
und auf die verstärkte deflationswelle nicht mehr reagieren
goldfondskann man nichts verkehrt machen
bei aktien möglichst ungehegte midcaps vorziehen
bei aktien möglichst ungehegte midcaps vorziehen
alle infos zu goldpreis live marketspot und goldminen
bei www.kitco.com
bei www.kitco.com
@GOLDHAUSSE
Ein ganz schön geiler Auftritt von dir hier.
Aber begann die Goldhausse nicht schon am 03.04.2001 !
Kannst du mir einen Gefallen tun und im August/Spetember 2003 weiter trommeln.
Grüße Talvi
Ein ganz schön geiler Auftritt von dir hier.
Aber begann die Goldhausse nicht schon am 03.04.2001 !
Kannst du mir einen Gefallen tun und im August/Spetember 2003 weiter trommeln.
Grüße Talvi
Bist du`s, germanasti?
Wieder unterwegs um kleine Kinder zu erschrecken?
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Das war gemein!
Germanisti hat schon ein wenig mehr Stil.
Mich erinnert der Quatsch eher an Blecheuro.
Das war gemein!
Germanisti hat schon ein wenig mehr Stil.
Mich erinnert der Quatsch eher an Blecheuro.
Kommt sehr darauf an, was man unter Stil versteht.
guter bericht - trotzdem - papier bleibt papier. die nebenwirkung könnte aber in der tat eine abkehr vom optiontrading und zertifikatemüllgedöns sein. die nachfrage von effektivem gold würde sich bei einem erfolg bei `kleinanlegern` sehr positiv auswirken.
Drum roll, please, for NYSE gold
New fund will revolutionize bullion ownership
By Thom Calandra, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 10:42 AM ET May 16, 2003
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) - More than a year after word leaked of a new security that could transform the way North American investors buy gold, the exchange-traded fund is headed to the New York Stock Exchange.
The new piece of paper, if approved by the Securities and Exchange Commission, looks like it will live up to the drum-roll that preceded it. See: Organizers look for approval of gold ETF.
The World Gold Council`s Equity Gold Trust (GLD: news, chart, profile) marks the second commodity-linked security to grace the floors of a stock exchange. The first, Gold Bullion Ltd.`s Australia-traded security (AU:GOLD: news, chart, profile), is already meeting brisk demand for so-called "paper gold."
The down-under gold fund, which allows investors to own one-tenth of an ounce of gold for each share of stock they buy, is structured much like the World Gold Council`s proposed fund. The Australian-traded one started with five 400-hundred ounce bars when it debuted earlier this spring. As of mid-May, the Gold Bullion trust shows 150 bars, or about 61,000 ounces worth $21.3 million in U.S. dollars.
That`s a good showing for the security`s first 35 days.
"That`s 450,000 ounces in a full year of 261 working days," Andy Smith at Mitsui Global Precious Metals tells me. Prorated for a U.S. population that is 15 times as large as Australia`s, the proposed NYSE product could spark demand of 205 tonnes, or about 6.6 million ounces, says Smith, a well-known gold analyst. That`s about the yearly production of a dozen or so mid-tier producers of the metal.
"The Mother and Grandmother of Bullion Products? By comparison, the last bonanza year for gold Eagle coins was 1999, and 2 million ounces were sold," Smith tells me. That year, of course, was when the world was nervous about the millennium computer bug that failed to materialize.
As for mechanics, trustees` fees for the proposed NYSE-traded fund are a miniscule expense ratio of 0.12 percent, in keeping with the low fees attached to well-known indexed ETFs such as the Nasdaq 100 QQQs or the S&P 500 SPY. (See our exclusive story on the World Gold Council`s filing this week).
There are those who will wonder why the proposed Equity Gold Trust only allows actual redemption of gold from paper to actual bullion in amounts of 10,000 ounces, about $3.5 million worth.
The best answer is that not many individuals will care about redeeming their gold paper. Indeed, Americans (and more than a few Canadians) have little inclination to actually hold gold and pay insurance and storage fees for the privilege.
Larger investors, including the hedge funds whose bets often precede a monstrous move in a stock or bond, are more likely to want that gold in their coffers and not just on paper. Each of the Equity Gold Trust`s shares will represent a tenth of an ounce of actual gold and not some derivative formula for the gold price. At current prices, the shares would trade at about $35 each.
The physical gold as represented by the daily purchases and sales of investors in the proposed fund, will be deposited with Hong Kong Shanghai Bank in London.
The real question, for those looking to the day when Equity Gold Trust begins trading on the NYSE under the ticker symbol GLD, is this: Can the creation of a product convince investors to go where they have not gone before?
After all, Americans have little in the way of gold mining stocks or actual gold in their portfolio. U.S. investment firms have been slow to include gold in their model asset allocations, even with the price of the metal rising about $100 in the past two years to its current $355 an ounce.
The answer is yes. The QQQs, which are the physical embodiment of Americans` lingering fascination with technology stocks, attract $2.5 billion of turnover on a mediocre day. Not bad for an asset class whose net asset value has declined 75 percent since its year 2000 peak.
John Hathaway, a mutual fund manager whose research into gold demand is among the best on Wall Street, worked up some numbers on all this. Hathaway, whose Tocqueville Gold Fund (TGLDX: news, chart, profile) has regulatory approvals to own as much of 10 percent of its portfolio in actual gold, puts it like so.
"The market capitalization of the gold mining sector is a relatively tiny $50 billion to $60 billion," he says from New York. "The market cap of the amount of physical gold available for investment, excluding central bank holdings, is very approximately $1 trillion. Even after making the extreme assumption that all central bank gold is in play, the investment gold market cap is only $1.4 trillion."
That compares to financial wealth in the form of bonds and stocks of more than $50 trillion. "An allocation of only a tenth of 1 percent would equate to 5,000 tonnes of physical metal, the equivalent of two years` supply of newly-mined gold. Such an allocation would in time cause gold to trade comfortably in excess of four digits ($1,000) in terms of U.S. dollars, euros and just about any other currency as well," Hathaway says.
Gold Fields Mineral Services, a tracker of bullion trends, estimated 22 tonnes of gold investment (and not gold jewelry) by individuals in North America for 2002. That was down from 25 tonnes in 2001. (It is not clear whether such a figure includes inflows into the one closed-end fund that represents bullion in North America, Central Fund of Canada (CEF: news, chart, profile).)
Still, "we are talking froth on small beer here," Smith in London told me Friday morning.
An interesting aside: The Australian ETF, also sponsored by the World Gold Council, is getting most its purchases from Americans, Canadians and Europeans. Nik Bienkowski, investment manager for the Gold Bullion Ltd. fund, says from Australia that European and North American institutions "have become the major investors in Gold Bullion Ltd., accounting for more than $25 million of the more than $33 million of shares sold since the company listed on the ASX at the end of March."
As for my opinion, the World Gold Council, under the chairmanship of former Gold Fields Ltd. (GFI: news, chart, profile) CEO Chris Thompson, is well on its way to redeeming the trade group`s checkered history as a failed marketer of bullion to the masses. Upon launch of the new gold paper, the World Gold Council presumably would spend several tens of millions of dollars marketing the product to investors.
For now, the gold council is not saying anything, as their security is in registration and the London and New York executives at the organization don`t want to throw a monkey-wrench into the works, like a Bear, Stearns analyst just did with comments about a looming IPO.
Yet in the course of the past 12 months, more than one gold mining executive has told me they see the price of gold rising in the short term to $600 an ounce after the launch of the NYSE-traded ETF. What is the short term? A year or less. The World Gold Council in its filing says it will scrap the new fund if gold in the trust`s London-based vaults amounts to less than 1 million ounces at the end of a year.
Smith at Mitsui Global advises the gold council to direct its new security to the masses. "Aim for grassroots not treetops," he says. At $35 a share, the same folks who plunk down $28 for a piece of the Nasdaq 100 will be fair game.
Hathaway at Tocqueville is one of a small crowd of people who see the price of gold rising well above $1,000 in coming (pick one) months, years.
"For the first time in history, investors of all descriptions will be able to invest in physical gold through brokerage firms and other mainstream financial market channels," Hathaway says. "The ETF will eliminate the past inconveniences, uncertainties and bureaucratic hassles that have long stymied a free flow of capital from retail and institutional investment portfolios into the physical metal."
svc
Drum roll, please, for NYSE gold
New fund will revolutionize bullion ownership
By Thom Calandra, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 10:42 AM ET May 16, 2003
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS.MW) - More than a year after word leaked of a new security that could transform the way North American investors buy gold, the exchange-traded fund is headed to the New York Stock Exchange.
The new piece of paper, if approved by the Securities and Exchange Commission, looks like it will live up to the drum-roll that preceded it. See: Organizers look for approval of gold ETF.
The World Gold Council`s Equity Gold Trust (GLD: news, chart, profile) marks the second commodity-linked security to grace the floors of a stock exchange. The first, Gold Bullion Ltd.`s Australia-traded security (AU:GOLD: news, chart, profile), is already meeting brisk demand for so-called "paper gold."
The down-under gold fund, which allows investors to own one-tenth of an ounce of gold for each share of stock they buy, is structured much like the World Gold Council`s proposed fund. The Australian-traded one started with five 400-hundred ounce bars when it debuted earlier this spring. As of mid-May, the Gold Bullion trust shows 150 bars, or about 61,000 ounces worth $21.3 million in U.S. dollars.
That`s a good showing for the security`s first 35 days.
"That`s 450,000 ounces in a full year of 261 working days," Andy Smith at Mitsui Global Precious Metals tells me. Prorated for a U.S. population that is 15 times as large as Australia`s, the proposed NYSE product could spark demand of 205 tonnes, or about 6.6 million ounces, says Smith, a well-known gold analyst. That`s about the yearly production of a dozen or so mid-tier producers of the metal.
"The Mother and Grandmother of Bullion Products? By comparison, the last bonanza year for gold Eagle coins was 1999, and 2 million ounces were sold," Smith tells me. That year, of course, was when the world was nervous about the millennium computer bug that failed to materialize.
As for mechanics, trustees` fees for the proposed NYSE-traded fund are a miniscule expense ratio of 0.12 percent, in keeping with the low fees attached to well-known indexed ETFs such as the Nasdaq 100 QQQs or the S&P 500 SPY. (See our exclusive story on the World Gold Council`s filing this week).
There are those who will wonder why the proposed Equity Gold Trust only allows actual redemption of gold from paper to actual bullion in amounts of 10,000 ounces, about $3.5 million worth.
The best answer is that not many individuals will care about redeeming their gold paper. Indeed, Americans (and more than a few Canadians) have little inclination to actually hold gold and pay insurance and storage fees for the privilege.
Larger investors, including the hedge funds whose bets often precede a monstrous move in a stock or bond, are more likely to want that gold in their coffers and not just on paper. Each of the Equity Gold Trust`s shares will represent a tenth of an ounce of actual gold and not some derivative formula for the gold price. At current prices, the shares would trade at about $35 each.
The physical gold as represented by the daily purchases and sales of investors in the proposed fund, will be deposited with Hong Kong Shanghai Bank in London.
The real question, for those looking to the day when Equity Gold Trust begins trading on the NYSE under the ticker symbol GLD, is this: Can the creation of a product convince investors to go where they have not gone before?
After all, Americans have little in the way of gold mining stocks or actual gold in their portfolio. U.S. investment firms have been slow to include gold in their model asset allocations, even with the price of the metal rising about $100 in the past two years to its current $355 an ounce.
The answer is yes. The QQQs, which are the physical embodiment of Americans` lingering fascination with technology stocks, attract $2.5 billion of turnover on a mediocre day. Not bad for an asset class whose net asset value has declined 75 percent since its year 2000 peak.
John Hathaway, a mutual fund manager whose research into gold demand is among the best on Wall Street, worked up some numbers on all this. Hathaway, whose Tocqueville Gold Fund (TGLDX: news, chart, profile) has regulatory approvals to own as much of 10 percent of its portfolio in actual gold, puts it like so.
"The market capitalization of the gold mining sector is a relatively tiny $50 billion to $60 billion," he says from New York. "The market cap of the amount of physical gold available for investment, excluding central bank holdings, is very approximately $1 trillion. Even after making the extreme assumption that all central bank gold is in play, the investment gold market cap is only $1.4 trillion."
That compares to financial wealth in the form of bonds and stocks of more than $50 trillion. "An allocation of only a tenth of 1 percent would equate to 5,000 tonnes of physical metal, the equivalent of two years` supply of newly-mined gold. Such an allocation would in time cause gold to trade comfortably in excess of four digits ($1,000) in terms of U.S. dollars, euros and just about any other currency as well," Hathaway says.
Gold Fields Mineral Services, a tracker of bullion trends, estimated 22 tonnes of gold investment (and not gold jewelry) by individuals in North America for 2002. That was down from 25 tonnes in 2001. (It is not clear whether such a figure includes inflows into the one closed-end fund that represents bullion in North America, Central Fund of Canada (CEF: news, chart, profile).)
Still, "we are talking froth on small beer here," Smith in London told me Friday morning.
An interesting aside: The Australian ETF, also sponsored by the World Gold Council, is getting most its purchases from Americans, Canadians and Europeans. Nik Bienkowski, investment manager for the Gold Bullion Ltd. fund, says from Australia that European and North American institutions "have become the major investors in Gold Bullion Ltd., accounting for more than $25 million of the more than $33 million of shares sold since the company listed on the ASX at the end of March."
As for my opinion, the World Gold Council, under the chairmanship of former Gold Fields Ltd. (GFI: news, chart, profile) CEO Chris Thompson, is well on its way to redeeming the trade group`s checkered history as a failed marketer of bullion to the masses. Upon launch of the new gold paper, the World Gold Council presumably would spend several tens of millions of dollars marketing the product to investors.
For now, the gold council is not saying anything, as their security is in registration and the London and New York executives at the organization don`t want to throw a monkey-wrench into the works, like a Bear, Stearns analyst just did with comments about a looming IPO.
Yet in the course of the past 12 months, more than one gold mining executive has told me they see the price of gold rising in the short term to $600 an ounce after the launch of the NYSE-traded ETF. What is the short term? A year or less. The World Gold Council in its filing says it will scrap the new fund if gold in the trust`s London-based vaults amounts to less than 1 million ounces at the end of a year.
Smith at Mitsui Global advises the gold council to direct its new security to the masses. "Aim for grassroots not treetops," he says. At $35 a share, the same folks who plunk down $28 for a piece of the Nasdaq 100 will be fair game.
Hathaway at Tocqueville is one of a small crowd of people who see the price of gold rising well above $1,000 in coming (pick one) months, years.
"For the first time in history, investors of all descriptions will be able to invest in physical gold through brokerage firms and other mainstream financial market channels," Hathaway says. "The ETF will eliminate the past inconveniences, uncertainties and bureaucratic hassles that have long stymied a free flow of capital from retail and institutional investment portfolios into the physical metal."
svc
Der Threadanfang samt Eröffnungsposter (natürlich eine 2.-ID) ist der langweilige und untaugliche Versuch, das Ansehen des Goldforums runterzuziehen und auf Hot-Stocks- bzw. Neue-Markt-Niveau zu bringen.
Dennoch eine Anmerkung zu #6 (kazman): Deine Aussage ist das typische Vorurteil vieler Goldneulinge. Eine Deflation ist mitnichten eine Gefahr für Gold. Ganz im Gegenteil kann Gold nicht insolvent gehen und wird umso mehr gesucht in der von Zusammenbrüchen und Staatsschuldenkrisen gekennzeichneten Deflation, ähnlich wie es auch in der Inflation dem Werterhalt dient. In der großen Deflation der 30er Jahre verdoppelte sich Gold sogar. Und in Japan, DEM Deflationsland, führt die stark zunehmende Goldnachfrage zu steigenden Preisen bei Gold. Ein Feind für Gold ist viel eher die innere Gesundheit und Stabilität des Weltfinanzsystems.
Dennoch eine Anmerkung zu #6 (kazman): Deine Aussage ist das typische Vorurteil vieler Goldneulinge. Eine Deflation ist mitnichten eine Gefahr für Gold. Ganz im Gegenteil kann Gold nicht insolvent gehen und wird umso mehr gesucht in der von Zusammenbrüchen und Staatsschuldenkrisen gekennzeichneten Deflation, ähnlich wie es auch in der Inflation dem Werterhalt dient. In der großen Deflation der 30er Jahre verdoppelte sich Gold sogar. Und in Japan, DEM Deflationsland, führt die stark zunehmende Goldnachfrage zu steigenden Preisen bei Gold. Ein Feind für Gold ist viel eher die innere Gesundheit und Stabilität des Weltfinanzsystems.
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WARDRIVER = GOLDHAUSSE ???
Konradi
WARDRIVER = GOLDHAUSSE ???
Konradi
@Wavetrader
Will mal behaupten:
"GOLD hat KEINE wirklichen Feinde, nur NEIDER!"
physisches GOLD, strong buy!!!!
Gruss
ThaiGuru
Will mal behaupten:
"GOLD hat KEINE wirklichen Feinde, nur NEIDER!"
physisches GOLD, strong buy!!!!
Gruss
ThaiGuru
In den 30 igern wurde mit Gold und Goldminen galaube damals
stieg Barick Gold enorm ein Vermögen gemacht, aber trotzdem eine Deflation ist das schlimmere Übel als eine Inflation, ich meine keine Hyperinflation.schönes Wochenende für Euch alle hpoth
stieg Barick Gold enorm ein Vermögen gemacht, aber trotzdem eine Deflation ist das schlimmere Übel als eine Inflation, ich meine keine Hyperinflation.schönes Wochenende für Euch alle hpoth
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dieser thread hatte in zwei Tagen bereits 700 pageimpressions...
Ich denke da sollte man für die Neuen hier mal ein paar Dinge zurechtzurücken. Es gibt leider auch in diesem Forum ein paar "ausgekochte" Goldbugs die sich einen Spaß draus machen, "frische Lemminge abzuzocken"
Hört nicht auf jeden Mist der hier gepostet wird! - Vorsicht ist vor allem bei kleinen Minengesellschaften geboten ...
ARE YOU AN INVESTOR, OR A SPECULATOR?
Chris Temple
Once again, we`re in a bull market for gold and gold stocks. It should last for many more years; then again, it may well end up being far less potent than some dream. Either way, however, we should eventually see noticeably higher prices for both the commodity itself, and for shares in many of the companies who explore for and produce it.
The bull market has been receiving more press coverage in 2003 than it did for the first 15 or so months of its existence. More people know now, for example, that gold-related mutual funds have been among the top performers of the last two years, though they have recently lagged.
What is less covered, however, is that-more often than not-those who have tried to take advantage of gold`s bull market have not yet made any money. In fact, many have lost money, largely by doing what investors typically do: buying high, and selling low. Regularly, I hear from people who thought sure as shootin` that gold was off to the stratosphere a few months ago, and were making big bets as gold breached $350.00 per ounce, $360.00 per ounce, etc. Similarly, I hear from some who bought at or near the peak of the gold stock rally in mid-2002, and are still waiting to be made whole in spite of the fact that gold is some $25.00 per ounce higher now than it was then.
Sadly, this is normal behavior for investors in virtually any sector. It is rather like the speculative technology stock bubble that peaked in early 2000. Most of the investment money came in at the top of the market. In some respects, therefore, it should be little surprise that lots of people now who have sought to take advantage of gold`s big move-and that of gold shares-are suffering a little due (primarily) to their getting into the sector a little too late, at least as far as the first "leg" has been concerned.
For those investors who have been longer-term admirers of gold and gold shares, though, something more pervasive has actually been at work for many years, dooming a lot of these people to investment disappointments. As I have written in past commentaries, at the top of the list is the fact that "gold bugs" use far too much emotion in making investment decisions. Rather than looking at gold as a commodity and gold mining shares as companies requiring a lot of scrutiny before an investment is made, people for years have thrown money at the sector almost indiscriminately. You`d think that the laws of mathematics and economics had been repealed, and that nothing else mattered as long as the company in question was producing (or hoped to one day produce) GOLD.
I`ve long since come to the inescapable conclusion that the great majority of investors in gold stocks over time have had little more knowledge of their industry and on how to evaluate both the sector and individual companies than did those giddy investors in Internet shares in 1999 and 2000. All the latter cared about was that prices for companies` shares were going up, and that-after all-"this was the future!"
They got into the overall move late, and bought shares in worthless companies to boot. Seldom did the actual, real world economics of the sector or the individual company matter. Helping this along usually has been a combination of hype and bad (or self-serving) advice from the gold stock promotion industry itself.
Particularly if we merely get a slow, steady climb in gold`s price and not the explosive hundreds-of-dollars per ounce move some are still predicting, it behooves us to make sure past mistakes are not repeated again. For starters, this means making a realistic assessment of the gold market and its future prospects before making any investments in the sector. In addition, it`s also important to have some general "feel" for the broader economy, currency markets and other issues which can directly or indirectly impact not only the gold price, but the financial prospects of individual companies, and of the gold industry generally.
I can`t in a commentary of this size deal with every possible variable, as I do in my newsletter and occasional sector updates. However, in the end, everything boils down to understanding the difference between being an investor (and hopefully an informed one at that) in the gold arena and being a speculator. This is not to say that speculators can`t make a lot of money in gold shares, if they know what they`re doing.
However, my experience has shown that too many people who think they are "investing" in gold companies are not, but are instead engaging in a very reckless form of speculation.Subscribers to The National Investor, among other things, have the right to have me give them opinions on their present portfolio holdings of all kinds, including in gold shares.
More times than I can remember, I`ve had a new subscriber send me a list of stocks that includes a surprising number of small exploration companies usually purchased many years ago. As you`ve already guessed, virtually all of them are now out of business. Looking at when these stocks were purchased, more often than not it was at or near the end of one of gold`s many rallies over time.
Particularly shocking on some occasions has been the fact that some of these people put considerable portions of their overall portfolio in these kind of speculative stocks-a cardinal sin whatever the industry in question. On top of that, it almost always turns out that this list of corpses represented the only gold shares they bought in the past!
It is never wise when deciding that any sector/industry is worthy of a part of your portfolio to put all of that allocation into the most untested, speculative young (or old) companies out there, no matter how exciting they sound.
One must first look at those proven companies who actually produce gold at a profit, and decide which one (or few) of them is the best. Further, it is now more important than ever to understand those basic economic fundamentals I referred to earlier, since recent changes in the currency markets and high energy prices (to name just two) are, even for many popular and strong companies, now constituting a "double-whammy" against profits.
Once the bulk of your determined appropriate exposure to the gold sector has been taken with relatively stable, producing concerns, a small portion should indeed be spread among some of those speculative exploration "plays" that have the potential of hitting the proverbial home run. Always bear in mind, though, that the majority of the small gold mining exploration companies in existence today-no matter how exciting they sound, how slick their public relations or how great a history the region they`re exploring in has had-will be out of business down the road, their shareholders penniless. This will be true even if gold`s bull market continues, let alone if it does not. Thus, the last thing you want to do is put your serious gold sector investment money exclusively, or primarily, in such companies.
A combination of having a good handle on the overall economic/market picture, understanding the gold market`s fundamentals particularly and sticking primarily with companies deemed appropriate for investors can result in great profits in gold shares. In addition (as I have also written in previous commentaries) knowing from time to time that the market requires trading can bolster your gold portfolio`s longer term performance. With this foundation already addressed, the "kicker" of occasionally speculating in well-researched young companies can not only be fun and exciting, but can provide opportunity for explosive profits while not at the same time jeopardizing the overall condition of your portfolio drastically. Without this foundation, however, what too many still erroneously refer to as "investing" in gold shares can prove devastating.
Chris Temple, Editor
The National Investor
www.nationalinvestor.com
May 16, 2003
dieser thread hatte in zwei Tagen bereits 700 pageimpressions...
Ich denke da sollte man für die Neuen hier mal ein paar Dinge zurechtzurücken. Es gibt leider auch in diesem Forum ein paar "ausgekochte" Goldbugs die sich einen Spaß draus machen, "frische Lemminge abzuzocken"
Hört nicht auf jeden Mist der hier gepostet wird! - Vorsicht ist vor allem bei kleinen Minengesellschaften geboten ...
ARE YOU AN INVESTOR, OR A SPECULATOR?
Chris Temple
Once again, we`re in a bull market for gold and gold stocks. It should last for many more years; then again, it may well end up being far less potent than some dream. Either way, however, we should eventually see noticeably higher prices for both the commodity itself, and for shares in many of the companies who explore for and produce it.
The bull market has been receiving more press coverage in 2003 than it did for the first 15 or so months of its existence. More people know now, for example, that gold-related mutual funds have been among the top performers of the last two years, though they have recently lagged.
What is less covered, however, is that-more often than not-those who have tried to take advantage of gold`s bull market have not yet made any money. In fact, many have lost money, largely by doing what investors typically do: buying high, and selling low. Regularly, I hear from people who thought sure as shootin` that gold was off to the stratosphere a few months ago, and were making big bets as gold breached $350.00 per ounce, $360.00 per ounce, etc. Similarly, I hear from some who bought at or near the peak of the gold stock rally in mid-2002, and are still waiting to be made whole in spite of the fact that gold is some $25.00 per ounce higher now than it was then.
Sadly, this is normal behavior for investors in virtually any sector. It is rather like the speculative technology stock bubble that peaked in early 2000. Most of the investment money came in at the top of the market. In some respects, therefore, it should be little surprise that lots of people now who have sought to take advantage of gold`s big move-and that of gold shares-are suffering a little due (primarily) to their getting into the sector a little too late, at least as far as the first "leg" has been concerned.
For those investors who have been longer-term admirers of gold and gold shares, though, something more pervasive has actually been at work for many years, dooming a lot of these people to investment disappointments. As I have written in past commentaries, at the top of the list is the fact that "gold bugs" use far too much emotion in making investment decisions. Rather than looking at gold as a commodity and gold mining shares as companies requiring a lot of scrutiny before an investment is made, people for years have thrown money at the sector almost indiscriminately. You`d think that the laws of mathematics and economics had been repealed, and that nothing else mattered as long as the company in question was producing (or hoped to one day produce) GOLD.
I`ve long since come to the inescapable conclusion that the great majority of investors in gold stocks over time have had little more knowledge of their industry and on how to evaluate both the sector and individual companies than did those giddy investors in Internet shares in 1999 and 2000. All the latter cared about was that prices for companies` shares were going up, and that-after all-"this was the future!"
They got into the overall move late, and bought shares in worthless companies to boot. Seldom did the actual, real world economics of the sector or the individual company matter. Helping this along usually has been a combination of hype and bad (or self-serving) advice from the gold stock promotion industry itself.
Particularly if we merely get a slow, steady climb in gold`s price and not the explosive hundreds-of-dollars per ounce move some are still predicting, it behooves us to make sure past mistakes are not repeated again. For starters, this means making a realistic assessment of the gold market and its future prospects before making any investments in the sector. In addition, it`s also important to have some general "feel" for the broader economy, currency markets and other issues which can directly or indirectly impact not only the gold price, but the financial prospects of individual companies, and of the gold industry generally.
I can`t in a commentary of this size deal with every possible variable, as I do in my newsletter and occasional sector updates. However, in the end, everything boils down to understanding the difference between being an investor (and hopefully an informed one at that) in the gold arena and being a speculator. This is not to say that speculators can`t make a lot of money in gold shares, if they know what they`re doing.
However, my experience has shown that too many people who think they are "investing" in gold companies are not, but are instead engaging in a very reckless form of speculation.Subscribers to The National Investor, among other things, have the right to have me give them opinions on their present portfolio holdings of all kinds, including in gold shares.
More times than I can remember, I`ve had a new subscriber send me a list of stocks that includes a surprising number of small exploration companies usually purchased many years ago. As you`ve already guessed, virtually all of them are now out of business. Looking at when these stocks were purchased, more often than not it was at or near the end of one of gold`s many rallies over time.
Particularly shocking on some occasions has been the fact that some of these people put considerable portions of their overall portfolio in these kind of speculative stocks-a cardinal sin whatever the industry in question. On top of that, it almost always turns out that this list of corpses represented the only gold shares they bought in the past!
It is never wise when deciding that any sector/industry is worthy of a part of your portfolio to put all of that allocation into the most untested, speculative young (or old) companies out there, no matter how exciting they sound.
One must first look at those proven companies who actually produce gold at a profit, and decide which one (or few) of them is the best. Further, it is now more important than ever to understand those basic economic fundamentals I referred to earlier, since recent changes in the currency markets and high energy prices (to name just two) are, even for many popular and strong companies, now constituting a "double-whammy" against profits.
Once the bulk of your determined appropriate exposure to the gold sector has been taken with relatively stable, producing concerns, a small portion should indeed be spread among some of those speculative exploration "plays" that have the potential of hitting the proverbial home run. Always bear in mind, though, that the majority of the small gold mining exploration companies in existence today-no matter how exciting they sound, how slick their public relations or how great a history the region they`re exploring in has had-will be out of business down the road, their shareholders penniless. This will be true even if gold`s bull market continues, let alone if it does not. Thus, the last thing you want to do is put your serious gold sector investment money exclusively, or primarily, in such companies.
A combination of having a good handle on the overall economic/market picture, understanding the gold market`s fundamentals particularly and sticking primarily with companies deemed appropriate for investors can result in great profits in gold shares. In addition (as I have also written in previous commentaries) knowing from time to time that the market requires trading can bolster your gold portfolio`s longer term performance. With this foundation already addressed, the "kicker" of occasionally speculating in well-researched young companies can not only be fun and exciting, but can provide opportunity for explosive profits while not at the same time jeopardizing the overall condition of your portfolio drastically. Without this foundation, however, what too many still erroneously refer to as "investing" in gold shares can prove devastating.
Chris Temple, Editor
The National Investor
www.nationalinvestor.com
May 16, 2003
konradi
Da kan man Dir nur recht geben,aufpassen und die Hausaufgaben selber machen.gruß hpoth
Da kan man Dir nur recht geben,aufpassen und die Hausaufgaben selber machen.gruß hpoth
Silverado Goldmines gestern plus 23% die hausse hat begonnen gold weiter auf dem vormarsch
mit Deflation ist vorallem eine GEWINN und AKTIEN DEFLATION gemeint
für die gesamtwirtschaft ist die Gefahr einer Deflation in Amerika
eher gering allerdings die gefahr einer induzierten Inflation durch die Fed deutlich höher
für die gesamtwirtschaft ist die Gefahr einer Deflation in Amerika
eher gering allerdings die gefahr einer induzierten Inflation durch die Fed deutlich höher
.
Noch einmal für alle Neuen hier im Forum:
Als Einstieg in den Goldmarkt eignen sich die Beiträge von www.goldseiten.de
http://www.goldseiten.de/ansichten/analysen.htm#weitere
Dabei muß man aber im Kopf haben, daß alle Autoren ausnahmslos "pro Gold" argumentieren. Das heißt man befindet sich sogleich fast zwangsläufig im "Dunstkeis" einer Art von "verschwörerischen Religion"...
Das ist vom Prinzip her nicht verwerflich, aber man muß - wie bei allen Religionen schon ein wenig aufpassen um nicht irre daran zu werden. - Es soll ja hier im Goldforum schon fanatische Selbstmordattentäter geben ...
Gruß Konradi
Noch einmal für alle Neuen hier im Forum:
Als Einstieg in den Goldmarkt eignen sich die Beiträge von www.goldseiten.de
http://www.goldseiten.de/ansichten/analysen.htm#weitere
Dabei muß man aber im Kopf haben, daß alle Autoren ausnahmslos "pro Gold" argumentieren. Das heißt man befindet sich sogleich fast zwangsläufig im "Dunstkeis" einer Art von "verschwörerischen Religion"...
Das ist vom Prinzip her nicht verwerflich, aber man muß - wie bei allen Religionen schon ein wenig aufpassen um nicht irre daran zu werden. - Es soll ja hier im Goldforum schon fanatische Selbstmordattentäter geben ...
Gruß Konradi
WERTE für den laufenden aufschwung
top werte
durban deep
bema gold
hecla mining
silverado goldmines
randgold
top werte
durban deep
bema gold
hecla mining
silverado goldmines
randgold
für leute mit weniger hohem risikoprofil goldfonds
gholzbauer: Könnte sein, aber germanasti schreibt m.E. zur Zeit unter "keintrke".
@GOLDHAUSSE
Was machst du,wenn in 1-2 Wochen der Spuk vorbei ist und die Goldbärchen die Oberhand wieder gewinnen.
Grüße Talvi
Was machst du,wenn in 1-2 Wochen der Spuk vorbei ist und die Goldbärchen die Oberhand wieder gewinnen.
Grüße Talvi
bisher deutet nichts auf einen kurzen trend hin
alle daten sprechen für gold mittel und langfristig
alle daten sprechen für gold mittel und langfristig
@GOLDHAUSSE
#3 Da du ja scheibst,gold ist an den dollar gekoppelt,wo siehst du denn den Dollar/Euro bei einem Goldpreis von 800$??
Grüße Talvi
#3 Da du ja scheibst,gold ist an den dollar gekoppelt,wo siehst du denn den Dollar/Euro bei einem Goldpreis von 800$??
Grüße Talvi
devisenmärkte neigen dazu massiv zu überschießen
euro dollar sehe ich bei maximal EURO 1.80
minimal EURO 1.45-1.50 gegen den dollar
euro dollar sehe ich bei maximal EURO 1.80
minimal EURO 1.45-1.50 gegen den dollar
AMERIKA WIRD DEN DOLLAR OPFERN
#33 um dann wieder stark zu werden.
Keine Angst vor den ETWern.Nach deren Unkenrufen sehen wir nochmals Tiefskurse.
Grüße Talvi
Keine Angst vor den ETWern.Nach deren Unkenrufen sehen wir nochmals Tiefskurse.
Grüße Talvi
@Konradi: du hast damit doch nicht den sog. Boardadel gemeint?????
cu Culo
cu Culo
@ culo
Naja culo, altes Schlitzohr, - bei Deinem "Nickname" wird man schon ein wenig stutzig ...
Leider scheint der Adel ja auszusterben hier im board.
Jetzt hat sich auch noch "Sovereign" endgültig verabschiedet, da wird einem schon weh ums Herz ...
Gruß Konradi
Naja culo, altes Schlitzohr, - bei Deinem "Nickname" wird man schon ein wenig stutzig ...
Leider scheint der Adel ja auszusterben hier im board.
Jetzt hat sich auch noch "Sovereign" endgültig verabschiedet, da wird einem schon weh ums Herz ...
Gruß Konradi
Ich versichere Euch, dass hier viele User wiederkommen werden. Der Mitteilungs- und Geltungsdrang ist für viele Menschen größer als alle noch so ernst gemeinten Selbstverpflichtungen. Zudem: Wer will darauf verzichten, hier die große Goldparty zu feiern, wenn es soweit ist?
gold vor konsolidierung
silverado goldmines gestern plus 28 %
silverado goldmines gestern plus 28 %
kann ruhig mal ein wenig zurückgehen wär nur gesund
Goldhausse ist Wardriver
.
... dachte ich auch erst, aber eine semantische Analyse deutet eher auf GOLDONLY ...
es scheint ihm aber garnicht gut zu gehen, wo er doch jetzt eisern und verbissen jegliche antiamerikanische Äußerung vermeidet ...
.
... dachte ich auch erst, aber eine semantische Analyse deutet eher auf GOLDONLY ...
es scheint ihm aber garnicht gut zu gehen, wo er doch jetzt eisern und verbissen jegliche antiamerikanische Äußerung vermeidet ...
.
SILVERADO GOLD vor explosion?
CHARTECHNIK deutet auf ausbruch hin
CHARTECHNIK deutet auf ausbruch hin
möglicher ausbruch bei bema gold imminent
@Goldhausse
Bema ist OK,Randgold ist OK, Rangy&Exploration ist OK
bei Hl und Doory wäre ich etwas vorsichtig,habe selbst DROOY im Depot wird aber nur interessant bei Goldpreisen von über 400$.Gruß hpoth
Bema ist OK,Randgold ist OK, Rangy&Exploration ist OK
bei Hl und Doory wäre ich etwas vorsichtig,habe selbst DROOY im Depot wird aber nur interessant bei Goldpreisen von über 400$.Gruß hpoth
von drooy halt ich sehr viel wenn die südafrikanische notenbank im juni die zinsen senkt was nicht unwahrscheinlich ist wird der südafrikanische rand stark unter druck kommen was die gewinne von drooy mit steigendem goldpreis stark nach oben bringen wirdhecla ist interssant weil es eiene gold und silbermine ist
silber ist ein noch knapperes gut auf den weltmärkten als gold da viele minen geschlossen sind
hecla hat mich bisher nicht entäuscht
silber ist ein noch knapperes gut auf den weltmärkten als gold da viele minen geschlossen sind
hecla hat mich bisher nicht entäuscht
vorallem werden die minen ressourcen momentan auf einem preisniveau
gold 315$ gehandelt
das sollt einem zu denken geben
wenn da nicht ne krasse fehlbewertung der minen vorliegt
gold 315$ gehandelt
das sollt einem zu denken geben
wenn da nicht ne krasse fehlbewertung der minen vorliegt
silverado momentan +15% berlin
in silverado sind momentan erst 5% aller shortpositionen
aufgelößt
aufgelößt
in den nächsten wochen wird sich zeigen wohin die reise geht 2003 wird ein wegweisendes jahr für gold und goldminen sein
jetzt kommts drauf an
megatrend
jetzt kommts drauf an
megatrend
euro low bei 1.1250 erwartet
aktienmärkte topping out in endphase
aktienmärkte topping out in endphase
irrational exhuberance is starting on the stockmarkets
schön wies gold grad wieder in den dreck fällt
alles rot im goldsektor
eines der lieder im vietnam krieg war
lets get out of this place oder so ähnlich
hahahahaha
eines der lieder im vietnam krieg war
lets get out of this place oder so ähnlich
hahahahaha
spitzenmäßiger nosedive den das gold hinlegt
dafür vergeb ich die note 10
dafür vergeb ich die note 10
GESTERN HAT SICHS NOCHMAL AUSGEKOTZT vielleicht ist die korrektur zu ende
könnt sein das es jetzt brutal abgeht
Oh je, oh je.
gold wird der stärkste MEGATREND und wird alles in den schatten stellen WAS DIE HIGHTECHS IN DEN neunzigern gebracht haben
glaubt mir
glaubt mir
freut euch alle das größte börsengeschenk eures lebens liegt vor euch
soso
morgen, freitag, nächste Woche??
erdede
morgen, freitag, nächste Woche??
erdede
Bist Du allein unterhalter? versthe Deine stänige Information nicht? ist doch alles bekannt.?Also mäßige Dich mit Deiner Flut von unbedeuteten Informationen.gruß hpoth
ja bin ich les meine unbedeutenden informationen halt nicht
gold steht kurz vor brutaler aufwärtsbewegung
gold steht kurz vor brutaler aufwärtsbewegung
@hpoth
Ich finde Goldhausse sehr hilfreich.
Ich finde Goldhausse sehr hilfreich.
wenigstens einer der mich versteht
hpoth es gibt keine unbedeutenden informationen an der börse es gibt nu leute die informationen nicht deuten können
du mußt mich hassen
Ich bin halt ein Ausbund an Harmonie.
aber das mit der antipathie kriegen wir schon noch hin im verlauf dieses mega jahrhundert goldbullmarktes
wart mal ab bis meine freunde hier auftauchen
die momentan noch in pamplona unterwegs sind
die können dir dann richtig auf den sack gehen @hpoth
die momentan noch in pamplona unterwegs sind
die können dir dann richtig auf den sack gehen @hpoth
Ich habe nichts gegen Dich, ja wenn wardriver wieder kommt dann geht die Post ab,dagegen bist Du ja noch sehr zurückhaltend.Möchte keinen längeren Dialog über Börseninformation mit Dir austragen, glaube mir ich bin nicht so naiv wie Du meinst.gruß hpoth
@ Goldhausse, hier gebe ich Dir recht, sehe ich auch so.hpoth zu 8#
zu 8
ich nix verstehen
ich nix verstehen
`# 8 siehe dort nach, habe eben mal alles gelesen muß mich
korregieren wir sind in unserer Meinung ja gar nicht ausseinander, entschuldige hpoth
korregieren wir sind in unserer Meinung ja gar nicht ausseinander, entschuldige hpoth
ich weiß
Gold vor finalem DOWNMOVE
340 ist nicht zu halten
340 ist nicht zu halten
@ Goldhausse,
habe doch schon einmal mitgeteilt,daß sich Gold in einem Dreieck zwischen 320 u.370 befindet.Ein Ausbruch nach oben sowie nach unten wird schwer sein z.Zt. in den Sommer Monaten Juli /August war nie viel los, ich glaube Gold wird sich in dieser Range noch einige Zeit bewegen um zum Jahresende hin die 420 anzugehen.Gruß hpoth
habe doch schon einmal mitgeteilt,daß sich Gold in einem Dreieck zwischen 320 u.370 befindet.Ein Ausbruch nach oben sowie nach unten wird schwer sein z.Zt. in den Sommer Monaten Juli /August war nie viel los, ich glaube Gold wird sich in dieser Range noch einige Zeit bewegen um zum Jahresende hin die 420 anzugehen.Gruß hpoth
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