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Werte aus der Branche Internet
Wertpapier | Kurs | Perf. % |
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10,915 | +13,27 | |
2,1500 | +9,69 | |
5,2500 | +9,38 | |
17,300 | +8,81 | |
2,6000 | +7,44 |
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0,5177 | -5,63 | |
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84,11 | -11,13 | |
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Wenn tatsächlich morgen Zahlen kommen, scheinen hier einige deswegen einzusteigen.
Ich bin gespannt wie die 9 Monatszahlen sein werden.......
Ist wer bei dem Eigenkapitalforum wo die sich präsentieren ?
Ist wer bei dem Eigenkapitalforum wo die sich präsentieren ?
@all
bin auch die letzten Wochen wieder rein. Turnaround überfällig und eigentlich in Q2 schon dargestellt. Q3 Zahlen kommen am 8.11. dann wissen wir mehr. Artnet-Ausblick im Finanzbericht H1/2013 sieht 2 Mio jährliche Kosten die ohne Investition in Artnet Auctions als Gewinn ausweisbar wären. Es wird hier also weiterhin massiv investiert, was m.E. sinnvoll ist. Mcap aktuell nicht mal 10 Mio € bei Umsatz von rd. 14 Mio. €. Restrukturierung mit deutlichem Abbau von Kosten ist m.E. sinnvoll gewesen. Effekte werden in 2013ff sichtbar. Im Vergleich wird das kleinere nicht profitable Artprice mit 109 Mio. € bewertet bei einem Umsatz von rd.5 Mio. €, also KUV aktuell 21,3 bei Artprice vs 0,7 bei Artnet, trotz höherem Umsatz der wenn gewollt sofort höheren Gewinn bedeuten würde.
Lets wait and see
bin auch die letzten Wochen wieder rein. Turnaround überfällig und eigentlich in Q2 schon dargestellt. Q3 Zahlen kommen am 8.11. dann wissen wir mehr. Artnet-Ausblick im Finanzbericht H1/2013 sieht 2 Mio jährliche Kosten die ohne Investition in Artnet Auctions als Gewinn ausweisbar wären. Es wird hier also weiterhin massiv investiert, was m.E. sinnvoll ist. Mcap aktuell nicht mal 10 Mio € bei Umsatz von rd. 14 Mio. €. Restrukturierung mit deutlichem Abbau von Kosten ist m.E. sinnvoll gewesen. Effekte werden in 2013ff sichtbar. Im Vergleich wird das kleinere nicht profitable Artprice mit 109 Mio. € bewertet bei einem Umsatz von rd.5 Mio. €, also KUV aktuell 21,3 bei Artprice vs 0,7 bei Artnet, trotz höherem Umsatz der wenn gewollt sofort höheren Gewinn bedeuten würde.
Lets wait and see
Läuft noch eine Klage gegen die Hauptversammlung ?
Miro, das ist war ja eine ganz tolle Idee! Man muss sich ja auch nur mal den Chart angucken und mit irgendwelchen Tools "analysieren", irgendwo ein paar Striche durch die Kurve ziehen - und wenn man das Geo-Dreieck dabei immer ein bisschen versetzt hält, kommt schon irgendwas Hoffnungsvolles dabei heraus.
Und Verschwörungstheoretiker werden glauben, dass das hier bedeutet, irgendjemand hätte den Kurs nach unten geprügelt, um billig einzusteigen:
Stammdaten
WKN
A1K037
ISIN
DE000A1K0375
Letzte Kurse Zeit
Kurs
Volumen
17:38:31 1,61 0
17:38:31 1,61 8557
17:30:19 1,70 37
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:18 1,70 100
17:30:18 1,70 100
17:30:18 1,70 100
Und Verschwörungstheoretiker werden glauben, dass das hier bedeutet, irgendjemand hätte den Kurs nach unten geprügelt, um billig einzusteigen:
Stammdaten
WKN
A1K037
ISIN
DE000A1K0375
Letzte Kurse Zeit
Kurs
Volumen
17:38:31 1,61 0
17:38:31 1,61 8557
17:30:19 1,70 37
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:19 1,70 100
17:30:18 1,70 100
17:30:18 1,70 100
17:30:18 1,70 100
Habe seit dem Stoploss-Welle am Donnerstag Stücke im Range 1.75-1.99 EUR gesammelt. Sehe Turnaroundchance für die Aktie auf dem aktuellen Niveau...
So einfach ist im Moment nicht, größere Stückzahlen knapp über 2 Euro zu bekommen. Ich hoffe daher, dass die Zahlen Mitte November keine Katastrphe werden und hier eine Bodenbildung beginnt
Artnet Auctions ist aus meiner Sicht (wieder) ein Totgeburt. Das beste wäre wenn man sich davon (sogar profitabel) trennen könnte.
Selling art online
Enter Amazon
The internet giant’s fine-art venture is unlikely to sell many masterpieces
Sep 21st 2013 |From the print edition
WITH a mouse click you can add Norman Rockwell’s “Willie Gillis: Package from Home” to your Amazon shopping cart. But you will need boldness and a bulging bank account to proceed to checkout: it costs $4.85m. The oil painting went on sale in August, when Amazon splashily announced that it would add fine art to “earth’s biggest selection” of consumables. But it will not be easy to sell art alongside books and barbecues.
Amazon’s arty initiative is not revolutionary. Hundreds of dealers already sell art online, swarming into every niche and bristling with gimmicks. Sedition sells digital works, some by famous artists. Artsy figures out buyers’ tastes from their browsing activity. Artnet, the self-proclaimed “market leader”, auctioned $15m-worth of art last year and provides online exhibition space to 1,700 galleries (Amazon has started with around 150). Christie’s and Sotheby’s, the best-known auction houses, have long accepted online bids as an extension of their traditional sales.
So far, all this has made little impression. Online art sales were $870m in 2012, less than 2% of the $56 billion global art market (excluding the big auction houses’ online bidding channels), according to a report published by Hiscox, an insurer. Assuming that art will progress online at the same rate as luxury goods, the report predicts that sales will more than double to $2.1 billion by 2017. Even then, online’s share will still be modest.
“Pure” online art sales, in which anyone can buy and deals are struck on a website, happen mainly on the blurry boundaries between art, craft and mass production. Jonas Almgren, the boss of London-based Artfinder, sees his site as a painterly version of Etsy, a successful American portal for selling handmade wares. Both cater to a popular craving for one-of-a-kind goods. Artspace sells mainly limited-edition prints and photographs. The lower end of the art market will largely shift online, predicts Skate’s, an art-market research firm.
Higher up, things get more complicated. Artists yearn to exhibit in real galleries; collectors want to experience first-hand a work’s scale and texture. In the secondary market the spectre of forgery makes them wary of dealing with virtual vendors. When the price of an artwork tops £5,000 ($8,000), “you want a relationship with a client,” says Steve Lazarides, a specialist in “urban art” who runs both physical galleries and an online shop.
The priciest bargains are struck between dealers and coteries of collectors they know well. The terms are almost always secret. With living artists, relationships matter even more. Dealers are expected to nurture their careers, which means managing prices, too. It is an “unwritten law” that they must never fall, says Friederike Hauffe, who teaches a course in art marketing at Berlin’s Free University. Some dealers discourage collectors from selling the work of an artist they represent; if one comes up for auction they might bid up prices. To fail to sell an item at auction is to “burn” it.
That does not mean that online marketing plays no role at the top end. Swanky galleries have long e-mailed images to potential buyers. Many exhibit art online to attract global interest but conduct transactions in cosier settings. Nearly four-fifths of galleries insist on some direct contact with buyers, according to the Hiscox report. Most online sales above $100,000 happen via the electronic bidding channels of auction houses such as Christie’s.
But this may be changing. The prices collectors are willing to pay online are creeping up. Friendships with dealers are beginning to seem less vital. Christie’s launched online-only sales in 2011 with an auction of Elizabeth Taylor memorabilia. Saatchi Online thrusts itself into the heart of the new-art nexus: it represents artists directly, bypassing galleries, and is “happy to sell to all kinds of people,” says its chief curator, Rebecca Wilson.
Amazon is not in the business of managing artists’ careers. You can buy a Jeff Koons print on the site for $33,750 but are unlikely to find his giant steel “Tulips” (a version of which fetched nearly $34m). Mr Almgren thinks Amazon will struggle to sell even more modest works. There is an enormous mismatch between Amazon’s “utilitarian” website and “the inspirational approach you need to sell art,” he thinks. Perhaps that is why, as late as September 18th, Willie Gillis was still for sale.
From the print edition: Business
http://www.economist.com/news/business/21586588-internet-gia…
Selling art online
Enter Amazon
The internet giant’s fine-art venture is unlikely to sell many masterpieces
Sep 21st 2013 |From the print edition
WITH a mouse click you can add Norman Rockwell’s “Willie Gillis: Package from Home” to your Amazon shopping cart. But you will need boldness and a bulging bank account to proceed to checkout: it costs $4.85m. The oil painting went on sale in August, when Amazon splashily announced that it would add fine art to “earth’s biggest selection” of consumables. But it will not be easy to sell art alongside books and barbecues.
Amazon’s arty initiative is not revolutionary. Hundreds of dealers already sell art online, swarming into every niche and bristling with gimmicks. Sedition sells digital works, some by famous artists. Artsy figures out buyers’ tastes from their browsing activity. Artnet, the self-proclaimed “market leader”, auctioned $15m-worth of art last year and provides online exhibition space to 1,700 galleries (Amazon has started with around 150). Christie’s and Sotheby’s, the best-known auction houses, have long accepted online bids as an extension of their traditional sales.
So far, all this has made little impression. Online art sales were $870m in 2012, less than 2% of the $56 billion global art market (excluding the big auction houses’ online bidding channels), according to a report published by Hiscox, an insurer. Assuming that art will progress online at the same rate as luxury goods, the report predicts that sales will more than double to $2.1 billion by 2017. Even then, online’s share will still be modest.
“Pure” online art sales, in which anyone can buy and deals are struck on a website, happen mainly on the blurry boundaries between art, craft and mass production. Jonas Almgren, the boss of London-based Artfinder, sees his site as a painterly version of Etsy, a successful American portal for selling handmade wares. Both cater to a popular craving for one-of-a-kind goods. Artspace sells mainly limited-edition prints and photographs. The lower end of the art market will largely shift online, predicts Skate’s, an art-market research firm.
Higher up, things get more complicated. Artists yearn to exhibit in real galleries; collectors want to experience first-hand a work’s scale and texture. In the secondary market the spectre of forgery makes them wary of dealing with virtual vendors. When the price of an artwork tops £5,000 ($8,000), “you want a relationship with a client,” says Steve Lazarides, a specialist in “urban art” who runs both physical galleries and an online shop.
The priciest bargains are struck between dealers and coteries of collectors they know well. The terms are almost always secret. With living artists, relationships matter even more. Dealers are expected to nurture their careers, which means managing prices, too. It is an “unwritten law” that they must never fall, says Friederike Hauffe, who teaches a course in art marketing at Berlin’s Free University. Some dealers discourage collectors from selling the work of an artist they represent; if one comes up for auction they might bid up prices. To fail to sell an item at auction is to “burn” it.
That does not mean that online marketing plays no role at the top end. Swanky galleries have long e-mailed images to potential buyers. Many exhibit art online to attract global interest but conduct transactions in cosier settings. Nearly four-fifths of galleries insist on some direct contact with buyers, according to the Hiscox report. Most online sales above $100,000 happen via the electronic bidding channels of auction houses such as Christie’s.
But this may be changing. The prices collectors are willing to pay online are creeping up. Friendships with dealers are beginning to seem less vital. Christie’s launched online-only sales in 2011 with an auction of Elizabeth Taylor memorabilia. Saatchi Online thrusts itself into the heart of the new-art nexus: it represents artists directly, bypassing galleries, and is “happy to sell to all kinds of people,” says its chief curator, Rebecca Wilson.
Amazon is not in the business of managing artists’ careers. You can buy a Jeff Koons print on the site for $33,750 but are unlikely to find his giant steel “Tulips” (a version of which fetched nearly $34m). Mr Almgren thinks Amazon will struggle to sell even more modest works. There is an enormous mismatch between Amazon’s “utilitarian” website and “the inspirational approach you need to sell art,” he thinks. Perhaps that is why, as late as September 18th, Willie Gillis was still for sale.
From the print edition: Business
http://www.economist.com/news/business/21586588-internet-gia…
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Ich möchte diese Diskussion hier noch einmal aus der Versenkung hervorholen, nachdem hier seit Wochen keine Meinungen mehr zur Geschäftsentwicklung gepostet werden. Die Aktie schwankt zur Zeit regelmäßig zwischen 2,15 Euro und 2,37 Euro und hat auch heute Abend auf Xetra genau wie gestern wieder einen Abtaucher auf 2,15 Euro hingelegt. Am Vormittag wird meistens um die 2,30 Euro bezahlt. Die Aktie reizt daher zum Traden. Was meint ihr?
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