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Catz Meinung über den Haircut (nach der kontroversen Postingaustausch zwischen wamuvoodoo und mir) :
voodoo, My opinion goes based on THJMW. She's a stickler for normal process in Bankruptcy, and of course, that means the Absolute Priority rules.
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where does it say the p's have to be paid in full before any goes to common ...ever hear of global settlement ,ever hear of rule 9019
While, of course, anything is possible under the world of the judge, even with rule 9019, I anticipate - my opinion - that she would stick to the Absolute Priority rule.
9019 is more about "settling controversies" -- and with Preferreds being paid under Absolute Priority rules, there would be little controversy with that, under this judge.
I know that doesn't make common holder happy, and they can shoot me. But it is my opinion on reading rule 9019.
Also, what I have NOT seen is anyone bring forth an example of where THJMW has ruled not to pay preferreds in full before commons. And I believe that is also key.
...Catz
P.S. Disclosure: I hold all equity issues, as well as H's.
Also, wer jetzt noch daran zweifelt.....
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voodoo, My opinion goes based on THJMW. She's a stickler for normal process in Bankruptcy, and of course, that means the Absolute Priority rules.
Quote:
where does it say the p's have to be paid in full before any goes to common ...ever hear of global settlement ,ever hear of rule 9019
While, of course, anything is possible under the world of the judge, even with rule 9019, I anticipate - my opinion - that she would stick to the Absolute Priority rule.
9019 is more about "settling controversies" -- and with Preferreds being paid under Absolute Priority rules, there would be little controversy with that, under this judge.
I know that doesn't make common holder happy, and they can shoot me. But it is my opinion on reading rule 9019.
Also, what I have NOT seen is anyone bring forth an example of where THJMW has ruled not to pay preferreds in full before commons. And I believe that is also key.
...Catz
P.S. Disclosure: I hold all equity issues, as well as H's.
Also, wer jetzt noch daran zweifelt.....
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_i…
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 40.021.247 von Bloodi767 am 20.08.10 16:03:02zur zeit null umsatz
12 handelstage bis zum 07.09
12 handelstage bis zum 07.09
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 40.021.082 von BVB-89 am 20.08.10 15:41:33Pfandbrief, ich hätte da nochmal eine Frage an Dich:^^
wieso sollte man dir gerade bei WMI glauben, obwohl du bsp. schon bei anderen Werten wie AIG und Citi komplett falsch gelegen hast?
Ich würde gerne wissen wo ich da falsch gelegen haben sollte. AIG schwankt seit meinem Diskussionseinstieg herum. Mal steigt sie, mal fällt sie. AIG debt hat sich seitdem vervierfacht. Viele andere Aktien, auch Finanzwerte, sind seit damals exzellent gelaufen. Wahr ist lediglich, dass AIG von der treasury gnädiger behandelt wird, als das vorherzusehen war. Man wird aber da noch sehen, wie die Konditionen bei der möglichen Reprivatisierung sind.
Die Citigroup Swapgeschichte war einer meiner besten Calls hier auf w : o. Dass Du das hier anführst, zeigt nur dass Du überhaupt nicht verstanden hast, worum es damals überhaupt ging. Wer's nachlesen und nachträglich bewerten will, wer da recht hatte, bitte sehr: http://www.wallstreet-online.de/diskussion/1149256-1-500/998…
Ist glaub ich einer der interessanteren historischen Threads hier.
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Übrigens, ich kann für solche offtopic Posts nichts. Sie werden mir durch Provokationen aufgezwungen. Ich würde das gerne vermeiden.
wieso sollte man dir gerade bei WMI glauben, obwohl du bsp. schon bei anderen Werten wie AIG und Citi komplett falsch gelegen hast?
Ich würde gerne wissen wo ich da falsch gelegen haben sollte. AIG schwankt seit meinem Diskussionseinstieg herum. Mal steigt sie, mal fällt sie. AIG debt hat sich seitdem vervierfacht. Viele andere Aktien, auch Finanzwerte, sind seit damals exzellent gelaufen. Wahr ist lediglich, dass AIG von der treasury gnädiger behandelt wird, als das vorherzusehen war. Man wird aber da noch sehen, wie die Konditionen bei der möglichen Reprivatisierung sind.
Die Citigroup Swapgeschichte war einer meiner besten Calls hier auf w : o. Dass Du das hier anführst, zeigt nur dass Du überhaupt nicht verstanden hast, worum es damals überhaupt ging. Wer's nachlesen und nachträglich bewerten will, wer da recht hatte, bitte sehr: http://www.wallstreet-online.de/diskussion/1149256-1-500/998…
Ist glaub ich einer der interessanteren historischen Threads hier.
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Übrigens, ich kann für solche offtopic Posts nichts. Sie werden mir durch Provokationen aufgezwungen. Ich würde das gerne vermeiden.
WAMU hält sich richtig stabil.........und das BESTE........es werden noch so einige Shorties VOR dem 7. September COVERN ! SQUUEEEEZZEEE
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 40.021.233 von spect am 20.08.10 15:59:39viel zeit ist nicht mehr und dann kann rosen einpacken mit seinen worten wamu war wertlos
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 40.021.226 von dig101 am 20.08.10 15:58:21dann wird eben weiter oben abgefischt
wenn unten nix mehr geht
wenn unten nix mehr geht
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 40.021.215 von spect am 20.08.10 15:56:43die frage ist aber auch wie viele bekommen sie bei den amis ist es nicht viel die liegen viel weiter oben
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 40.021.164 von Erni09 am 20.08.10 15:51:47tja... nur durch bewegung kommen die an eure shares
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 40.021.164 von Erni09 am 20.08.10 15:51:47Genau
Das war doch von Anfang an klar.
Das war doch von Anfang an klar.
August 19, 2010
Washington Mutual FSB Tier I Ratio was 165% in June 2008
Filed under: Sources — Tags: FDIC, Project Fillmore, Tier I Ratio, WMBfsb — Max @ 6:07 am
Update August 19, 2010: Details surface about WaMu bank capital (Puget Sound Business Journal)
Update 2: JPMorgan Call Reports
Pulling up WMB and WMBfsb’s Thrift Financial Reports (TFRs) provided by the FDIC from their final reporting period ending June 30, 2008 confirmed some numbers and surprised with others. Links to the WMB TFR and WMBfsb TFR are available.
A complete shock was WMBfsb’s cash cow status regarding usable capital. No wonder why WMI wanted to decapitalize it in “Project Fillmore”.
Washington Mutual Bank, Consolidated Statement of Condition
Total Assets: $307,021,614,000
Total Liabilities: $278,730,182,000
Minority Interest: $3,911,685,000
Total Equity Capital: $24,379,747,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 8.40%
Washington Mutual Bank, FSB, Consolidated Statement of Condition
Total Assets: $46,048,007,000
Total Liabilities: $16,818,020,000
Total Equity Capital: $29,229,987,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 165.24%
Update 2: JPMorgan Call Reports June/Sep 2008
I added data from JPM’s call reports for 2008 and March 2010 for reference. Note the positive change in equity between reports. Poster drrugby pointed out how much WaMu cash JPMorgan burned through to stay afloat during the 2008 financial crisis.
JPMorgan Chase Bank, NA, Consolidated Statement of Condition
REPORT: JUNE 30, 2008
UPDATED: JUNE 12, 2009
Total Assets: $1,378,468,000,000
Total Liabilities: $1,268,474,000,000
Total Equity Capital: $108,929,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 8.21%
Source: http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0ByezbCXwfJlSNjQ0ZWFkM2YtZTg5…
JPMorgan Chase Bank, NA, Consolidated Statement of Condition
REPORT: SEPTEMBER 30, 2008
UPDATED: JUNE 12, 2009
Total Assets: $1,768,657,000,000
Total Liabilities: $1,641,948,000,000
Total Equity Capital: $125,639,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 7.92%
Source: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0ByezbCXwfJlSMjk3NjNkZWQt…
JPMorgan Chase Bank, NA, Consolidated Statement of Condition
REPORT: MARCH 31, 2010
UPDATED: MAY 5, 2010
Total Assets: $1,674,523,000,000
Total Liabilities: $1,546,991,000,000
Total Equity Capital: $127,532,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 10.01%
Source: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0ByezbCXwfJlSMDJjMjY4MWQt…
CHANGES FROM JUNE 30, 2008 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2008 REPORT
Total Assets: + $390,189,000,000
Total Liabilities: + $373,474,000,000
Total Equity Capital: + $16,710,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: – 0.29%
CHANGES FROM JUNE 30, 2008 TO MARCH 31, 2010 REPORT
Total Assets: + $296,055,000,000
Total Liabilities: + $278,517,000,000
Total Equity Capital: + $18,603,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: + 1.8%
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o WMI to sell 3 million VISA shares worth $150 million for $50 million
o The FDIC definition of “Final Settlement Date”
o FDIC Purchase & Assumption process
o JPMorgan failed to disclose final WaMu purchase price
o August 10 Omnibus Hearing: WAMUQ Chart
o August 10 Omnibus hearing transcript (download)
o Canyon Capital among $7 billion investors blindsided
o TPG’s WaMu Investment
o Project West and the disappearing $24 billion MBS assets
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Washington Mutual FSB Tier I Ratio was 165% in June 2008
Filed under: Sources — Tags: FDIC, Project Fillmore, Tier I Ratio, WMBfsb — Max @ 6:07 am
Update August 19, 2010: Details surface about WaMu bank capital (Puget Sound Business Journal)
Update 2: JPMorgan Call Reports
Pulling up WMB and WMBfsb’s Thrift Financial Reports (TFRs) provided by the FDIC from their final reporting period ending June 30, 2008 confirmed some numbers and surprised with others. Links to the WMB TFR and WMBfsb TFR are available.
A complete shock was WMBfsb’s cash cow status regarding usable capital. No wonder why WMI wanted to decapitalize it in “Project Fillmore”.
Washington Mutual Bank, Consolidated Statement of Condition
Total Assets: $307,021,614,000
Total Liabilities: $278,730,182,000
Minority Interest: $3,911,685,000
Total Equity Capital: $24,379,747,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 8.40%
Washington Mutual Bank, FSB, Consolidated Statement of Condition
Total Assets: $46,048,007,000
Total Liabilities: $16,818,020,000
Total Equity Capital: $29,229,987,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 165.24%
Update 2: JPMorgan Call Reports June/Sep 2008
I added data from JPM’s call reports for 2008 and March 2010 for reference. Note the positive change in equity between reports. Poster drrugby pointed out how much WaMu cash JPMorgan burned through to stay afloat during the 2008 financial crisis.
JPMorgan Chase Bank, NA, Consolidated Statement of Condition
REPORT: JUNE 30, 2008
UPDATED: JUNE 12, 2009
Total Assets: $1,378,468,000,000
Total Liabilities: $1,268,474,000,000
Total Equity Capital: $108,929,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 8.21%
Source: http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0ByezbCXwfJlSNjQ0ZWFkM2YtZTg5…
JPMorgan Chase Bank, NA, Consolidated Statement of Condition
REPORT: SEPTEMBER 30, 2008
UPDATED: JUNE 12, 2009
Total Assets: $1,768,657,000,000
Total Liabilities: $1,641,948,000,000
Total Equity Capital: $125,639,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 7.92%
Source: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0ByezbCXwfJlSMjk3NjNkZWQt…
JPMorgan Chase Bank, NA, Consolidated Statement of Condition
REPORT: MARCH 31, 2010
UPDATED: MAY 5, 2010
Total Assets: $1,674,523,000,000
Total Liabilities: $1,546,991,000,000
Total Equity Capital: $127,532,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: 10.01%
Source: http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0ByezbCXwfJlSMDJjMjY4MWQt…
CHANGES FROM JUNE 30, 2008 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2008 REPORT
Total Assets: + $390,189,000,000
Total Liabilities: + $373,474,000,000
Total Equity Capital: + $16,710,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: – 0.29%
CHANGES FROM JUNE 30, 2008 TO MARCH 31, 2010 REPORT
Total Assets: + $296,055,000,000
Total Liabilities: + $278,517,000,000
Total Equity Capital: + $18,603,000,000
Tier I Risk-Based: + 1.8%
* Pages
o Examiner
o Washington Mutual Monthly Operating Reports (MOR)
*
Search for:
* Recent Posts
o Washington Mutual FSB Tier I Ratio was 165% in June 2008
o WMI to sell 3 million VISA shares worth $150 million for $50 million
o The FDIC definition of “Final Settlement Date”
o FDIC Purchase & Assumption process
o JPMorgan failed to disclose final WaMu purchase price
o August 10 Omnibus Hearing: WAMUQ Chart
o August 10 Omnibus hearing transcript (download)
o Canyon Capital among $7 billion investors blindsided
o TPG’s WaMu Investment
o Project West and the disappearing $24 billion MBS assets
* Links
o WAMUQ Message Board
* Tags
Alvarez & Marsal annual report Anton Valukas Ashby & Geddes balance sheet Blackstone Carlyle Group charts & images contingent preferred security cps david bonderman Examiner extraordinary gain FDIC fernando rivas income statement Indymac Joe Jiampietro john chrin Joshua Hochberg jpmc jpmorgan Lehman loss sharing Milliman negative goodwill omnibus Peter J. Solomon PricewaterhouseCoopers project west Purchase & Assumption rate of return Sheila Bair Sullivan & Cromwell suntrust Susman TD Bank Tim Geithner TPG trusted source wachovia wamu wamuq washington mutual Weil Gotshal
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