IRNA meldet: 124 gefallene US Soldaten in Afghanistan ausgeflogen!!! - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[golden-bear]

Quelle: http://www.irna.com/newshtm/eng/11143328.htm

thr 024
Pakistan-Marines-Bodies /WRD/
Bodies of 124 US troops flown home: Report
Islamabad, Dec 2, IRNA -- The bodies of 124 American troops have been
flown back home in a cargo plane on November 29, claimed a local daily
here on Sunday.
`Pakistan Observer` reported that the troops were killed during
clashes with Taliban fighters when they had landed in Helmand province
to help the ex-governor of Kandahar Gul Agha`s Lashkar fighters
against Taliban.
It added the perished troops are being described as missing in
action.
Meanwhile, another daily, `The Frontier Post`, said 65 US marines
have been killed by Taliban suicide squads in southern Afghanistan.
Reports of fresh casualties come as the US and the coalition
forces struggle to keep a tight lid on the talk of casualties in the
country, the daily pointed out.
Quoting witnesses, the newspaper added since their landing in
Afghanistan, the US marines have come under attack by Taliban several
times.
It noted apart from more than 2,000 US marines, American Special
Forces are also present in the southern parts of Afghanistan.
The newspaper stated that these attacks could be in retaliation to
massacre of Taliban fighters by gunmen of anti-Taliban Commander Haji
Gul Agha in the presence of US troops.
MMZ/KK/AR
End
::irna 14:33

[Loewenzahn]

@bärli

danke für die tolle Quelle
- IRNA
- in Berufung auf den `Pakistan Observer`.

mfg loewe

[golden-bear]

Ist schon recht, schau´ du nur weiter CNN und lies BILD, das ist besser für dein Niveau...

[sabbel]

@ #1 von golden-bear

danke für die info

[golden-bear]

you´re welcome ...

[Guerilla Investor]

golden-bear ...

Ist das alles, was DU an Niveau zu bieten hast ...?

Guerilla (würde gern auch sein Niveau steigern ...)

[StanleyBeamish]

@golden-bear

Sag mal. Du postest doch den ganzen Blödsinn hier (wenn man sich mal deine Threads ansieht) nicht nur so aus Zeitvertreib.
Da steckt doch was dahinter!
Bist du hier der Statthalter von Saddam Husein?

[golden-bear]

@GI
Ach weißt du, man muß ja nicht Perlen vor die Säue werfen.
Ich passe mich da flexibel an. Ich mache niemanden blöd an, aber ich kann schon zurück austeilen. Wie es euch beliebt...

[golden-bear]

@stanley
Nein, ich hatte die beste Nebenrolle in Woody Allens "Der Schläfer", wusstest du das etwa nicht...?

[StanleyBeamish]

@golden-bear
Warum kannst du überhaupt wieder posten?
Ich denke, die NSA hat dich ausgeschaltet.
Thread: HELP ! Postete sehr viel über WTC- u. Afghanistan-Sauereien d. USA! Rien ne va plus!.

Die müssen wohl nochmal ran. Hoffentlich machen sie ihre Arbeit dieses Mal gründlicher.

[sabbel]

anbei ein paar einfache beisspiele, warum man nicht immer alles glauben sollte,
und sich in vielen dingen lieber selber ein eigenes urteil bilden sollte.
dazu gehören auch die nutzung anderer quellen.





"Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten..."

Das beteuerte der DDR-Staats- und Parteichef Walter Ulbricht noch am 15. Juni 1961 auf einer
Pressekonferenz. Knapp zwei Monate später war die Mauer dicht und die Massenflucht gen
Westen gestoppt.

"Die Rente ist sicher"
so hat es Norbert Blüm als Bundesminister jahrelang den Menschen in der Bundesrepublik verkündet. Zum Schluss hat ihm niemand mehr geglaubt,
schließlich stieg die Belastung sowohl auf Arbeitnehmer- als auch für die Arbeitgeberseite und die Prognosen...

[Guerilla Investor]

sabbel - so gefällt mir das schon besser, mit Erläuterung der Quellen ...

[sabbel]

@#12 von Guerilla Investor

es sind ja auch beisspiele und keine beispiele

[sabbel]

@Guerilla Investor

aber mal im ernst, glaubst du, dass der ami unverwundbar ist? (ausser im kino)

[StanleyBeamish]

Bin Laden knapp verpasst.

___________________________________


http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,3360331%255E…

SAS squad just missed bin Laden

03Dec01

A BRITISH SAS squad that stormed one of terror chief Osama Bin Laden`s mountain strongholds missed capturing him by just two hours, it emerged yesterday.

Four SAS soldiers were wounded in a fierce battle in the caves of the Hada Mountains, south-east of the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar.
A source close to the regiment said: "We were within a whisker of getting him. It was a hard battle and will have put the fear of God into his people. When prisoners were questioned it came out we had just missed him by about two hours."

Intelligence sources believe bin Laden fled as the battle began. One said: "The enemy were facing highly trained and disciplined troops who, although outnumbered, had the tenacity, professionalism and firepower to terrorise them.

Bin Laden knows the SAS are not far behind."

...

Meanwhile four US soldiers injured in Afghanistan received Purple Heart medals yesterday from the commanding general of Army Special Forces at a US military hospital in Germany.
...

[sabbel]

ich lese auch bild



#405 von sabbel 02.12.01 16:12:13 Beitrag Nr.:5.015.515
bild:
Terrorchef bin Laden entkam nur knapp

Sie waren so dicht dran: Spezialkräfte des britischen SAS haben Terrorchef
bin Laden nur um zwei Stunden verpasst, meldet die britische Zeitung
"Mail on Sunday".

Danach lieferten sich die Eliteeinheiten ein heftiges Feuergefecht mit
Taliban-Kämpfern in den Hada-Bergen im Südwesten Afghanistans. 18
Afghanen wurden getötet, vier Briten verletzt.

Bei dem anschließenden Verhör der Gefangenen stellte sich heraus: bin
Laden hatte die umkämpfte Höhle nur zwei Stunden vor dem Gefecht
verlassen. Nun wird er bei Tora Bora im Osten des Landes vermutet. 60
SAS-Männer wollen nun dort stellen.

[Sep]

sabbel

postet der golden bear hier schon seit Errichtung der Berliner Mauer ?

sep

[Traderfritz]

>danke gb
klaro, es gibt keinen Krieg ohne verluste, denn gibts nur im Hollywood Movie,die Verluste sind doch als Kolletarial Schaden eingeplant.
Auch der Ami ist nicht unverwundbar, und in einem Krieg gibt es immer überaschungen. Es geht doch nur darum der blöden Masse vorzugauckeln das sie die Heros sind und alles im Griff haben, solange die Stimmung zuhause nicht kippt wird der Krieg und die Anti Terror show weitergehen.
noch einen schönen abend-Fritz.

[StanleyBeamish]

@sabbel @16

Ich lese auch Bild.
_____________________________________
http://www.bild.de/service/archiv/2001/dec/03/news/planschen…

03.12.2001 Bild.de News
Flugzeugträger "USS Kitty Hawk"
Plantschen darfst du nach der Schlacht!


Traut sich denn keiner einen Kopfsprung? Marine-Soldaten springen vom 323 Meter langen Flugzeugträgers ins Wasser
Yokosuka (Japan) " Es ist das größte Badedeck, das die Weltmeere je befahren hat.
Die Besatzung (5500 Mann) der "USS Kitty Hawk" machte ihren Flugzeugträger für einen Tag zum Kreuzfahrtschiff. Tagesbefehl: Baden!

58 Tage stand die "schwimmende Kleinstadt" im Einsatz für die Anti-Terrorkoalition. Die Piloten der Kampfjets flogen Einsätze gegen Afghanistan, auf dem Schiff sind Spezial-Einheiten stationiert, die Osama bin Laden jagten.

Jetzt stoppte der Träger vor Yokosuka (Japan): Jauchzend sprangen die Marine-Soldaten von den mächtigen Jet-Fahrstuhl-Plattformen ins warme Meer (26 Grad), jeder waghalsige Kopfsprung begleitet von Johlen und Applaus. An großen Netzen kletterten sie die 10, 12 Meter hoch wieder an Bord.

Flugzeugtechniker Antonio Shuford: "Das Baden war toll. Aber neulich waren die Cheerleader der "Miami-Dolphins" hier. Die haben mir noch besser gefallen..."

FOTO:
AP

[peace_boxer]

#11
nach Ulbricht´s:
.."Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten..."

Schröder/Fischer:

"Niemand hat die Absicht, den Irak zu überfallen..."

Gute Nacht und Guten Morden, W3

[Guerilla Investor]

sabbel ...

Ich bin mit Vietnam aufgewachsen ...

Guerilla (glaubt nur, was er sieht, und das auch nicht immer ...)

[Mortitia]

Welche Nebenrolle ? Die des "Rollstuhl`s"?

[golden-bear]

Die Rolle der westlichen Medien über den 9.11.01 und Krieg um die globale Vorherrschaft lässt sich bildlich am einfachsten erläutern:

[golden-bear]

Quelle: http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=21

News from the Jihad in Afghanistan:

02 December 2001 : Over 50 American Soldiers killed during Botched Attack on Helmand

A large number of American troops backed by tanks and helicopters, launched a new attack on the `strategic` city of Helmand. The Mujahideen awaited them patiently, and at the right time ambushed them using heavy artillery, BM rockets and ZSU-23 Anti-Aircraft guns in the area of Koumalk, south of Helmand, close to the River Douistan .
As a result of this offensive by the Mujahideen, around 80 US soldiers were killed, three tanks belonging to the United Nations (but used by the US) were destroyed, and two American Apache AH-64 helicopters were brought down, killing all occupants. All praise be to Allah who grants these victories.

A number of Mujahideen were injured during the attack, but were taken back to their base for treatment, along with significant hi-tech spoils of war. The whole operation was filmed and the video will be soon be made public insha-Allah to prove to the whole world, and especially the American people, the truth about the Afghan Jihad and the lies spread by the US government.

In a separate incident Saturday, the Mujahideen shot down an American warplane near Kandahar airport. As expected, this news was denied by the Pentagon, since American soldiers are never killed in combat, nor do they ever lose any aeroplanes nor equipment nor vehicles. The thousands of American soldiers killed in Vietnam was a myth.

The CIA continues to assist drug barons and highwaymen in order to cause disorder and try to destabilise the Taliban between Spin Boldak and Kandahar. The Taliban launched an attack around the mountain areas of Spin Boldak to crush this US-supported militia. Following the attack, approximately 100 of the enemy (composed mainly of drug dealers and highway robbers) as well as 17 of their US military `advisors` were killed. These advisors organize the aerial cover and plan the militia`s ground operations.

The Taliban reconfirm that the town of Spin Boldak is still under their control and that all is well. The Taliban has also set up special patrols to pursue and engage the remaining militia who were fleeing to the mountains in the east.

Since the arrival of the Northern Alliance in areas previously held by the Taliban, poppy cultivation has been started again on a very large scale (confirmed by the UN) with the encouragement of Americans. This higlights the hypocrisy and lies against the Taliban, who were accused by the West, of still cultivating and profiting from the Poppy farms. However, the reality is that the Taliban had completely banned the cultivation of the crop, thereby reducing the country`s production by nearly 95%, and it was America`s beloved Northern Alliance who were responsible for all the remaining production and trade. This was even confirmed by the United Nations.

The Taliban reported that they had carried out a lightening attack against the American forces in Shandan, which resulted in the deaths of well over 100 American soldiers. More details on this will be provided soon insha-Allah.

Human Rights `Respected` in Mazar-i-Sharif

In the presence and auspices of American soldiers, the protectors of human rights, General Dostum walked over the bodies of the martyred Mujahideen in the prison fortress of Qala-e-Jhangi, while his soldiers drove tanks over their bodies to make sure they were dead. It is reported that an incredible number of rapes by his soldiers took place, also under the observation of US troops. These uncivilized soldiers were also seen by the whole world beating and shooting prisoners, kicking the bodies of the Mujahideen and even extracting the golden fillings from the mouths of Taliban who were martyred.

The soldiers of the Northern Alliance captured around 10 wives of the Foreign Mujahideen and raped them several times before making them slaves. These women were from families who had tried to cross over to Pakistan, but were prevented at the border by Pakistani troops under the orders of the US Government.

America and the whole world are accessories to these mutilations, massacres, rapes and mass injustices and owing to the fact that they are committed under their own eyes and protection. May Allah help all those who are oppressed.

The Mujahideen inform the people that they are well and remind the Muslims not to be deceived or depressed by reading the lies of the Western media. They ask all viewers to pass on the true information of the situation that they receive from the Internet, not to forget them and the people of Afghanistan in their duas and increase the duas against those who cause corruption and oppression on the Earth.

[golden-bear]

Until Thursday, the CIA and Pentagon were denying reports that Spann had died. Now that they admit it, they say he is the first.
According to a November 17th UPI article this is not true. Reporter Richard Sale quotes an unnamed U.S. administration official as saying that between 25 and 40 U.S. Special Forces have been killed so far, mostly in fighting in southern Afghanistan, around Kandahar. While Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said no Americans were killed in these operations, a State Department official retorted "that`s crazy."

[eierdieb]

Irgendwie kann ich nicht glauben das die amerikanische Regierung Todesopfer unter den Soldaten verschweigt.

Sie hat ja, gefragt und ungefragt immer wieder auf mögliche Opfer hingewiesen, warum tatsächliche Verschweigen.

Außerdem ist die Gefahr eines Stimmungsumschwunges in der amerikanischen Bevölkerung nicht zu unterschätzen.
Wie groß muß die Frutration sein, zu erfahren, das die Regierung die sie mehr oder weniger bedingungslos unterstützt, sie in diesem wichtigen Punkt belogen hat.

[golden-bear]

@eierdieb
Warst auf keinem schlechten Weg! Aber: Nicht auf halber Strecke aufhören!

Ist schon richtig, dass die Regierung die öffentliche Meinung fürchten muss.
Aber genau deswegen lügt sie hier ja. Wie wäre wohl die Reaktion auf die folgenden Mitteilungen:
OBL? Ham wa nich!
MullOma? Ham wa nich!
Taliban besiegt? Lass´ die Witze!
Ach ja, bevor wir´s vergessen: Liebe Mitbürger, wir hamm dummerweise bislang so zwischen 200-300 Marines verloren, is doch nich schlimm, oder? Zum Ausgleich hamm wa schon mind. 10.000 afghan. Zivilisten verhackstückt! Wie? Na, natürlich mutig wie immer aus der Luft! Und täglich werdens mehr, dank unserer geilen 10-20% absichtlicher Blindgänger bei den Streubomben!

[Mortitia]

golden beer..
news from jihad...wow..der auch solche artikel fabriziert
wie:" mullah umar`s dream"

sehr wahrhaftig und kritisch

[Sharez]

Gülden-Bier. Prost.

[golden-bear]

http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=25
05 December 2001 : Names of Two US Soldiers Killed in Martyrdom Operation
AZZAM PUBLICATIONS WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST ALL THOSE WHO ARE DISTRIBUTING OUR NEWS TO MENTION AZZAM.COM AS THE SOURCE OF THE NEWS. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRINT OUT THIS NEWS AND PASTE IT IN YOUR MOSQUES, NOTICEBOARDS, ETC. AND TO SEND IT ROUND ON YOUR E-MAIL LISTS, DISCUSSION BOARDS AND WEB-SITES. PLEASE MENTION AZZAM.COM AS THE NEWS SOURCE WHEN DOING SO.

AFGHANISTAN: The following information has been provided by Mujahid Sheikh Abu Khalid Abdullah Al-Waleed as a challenge for the Pentagon to refute it. He said that the Mujahideen possess all the necessary proof and evidence for the information given here, which will be publicised if Allah makes it possible. It is one of the series of authentic news reports from Afghanistan that have been related over the Internet to heal the hearts of the Muslims and boost their morale.

On Monday 26 November 2001 (10 Ramadan 1422), Sheikh Abu Khalid Abdullah Al- Waleed conducted an interview with the husband of the martyred sister, after the Isha Prayer. There was a convoy that was getting ready to depart areas surrounding Kunduz, so the brother of the martyred sister suggested that they wait until the Americans arrived. The brother and sister had in their possessions passports whose names suggested that they were Jews of British nationality. They planned to inform the enemy troops that were not Mujahideen, in order to save themselves from being killed or captured. When they initially arrived in Mazar-i-Sharif, they were able to successfully protect themselves by using this cover story. However, they were advised not to leave without weapons with which they could defend themselves if the situation demanded it. However, the husband suggested to his brother-in-law that instead of carrying weapons, he should give some explosives to his wife which she can detonate if they are captured, thus killing the enemy soldiers along with them. Thus they did as they had planned and the sister strapped a belt of explosives around her waist.

The brother and sister thus went to the positions of the Shiite Hizbi-Wahdah faction and General Dostum`s forces. Since they were on foot, the enemy fired upon them and they then jumped to the floor and did not return fire. When the enemy saw that they were not acting in a hostile manner, one enemy soldier approached them and they addressed him in English. The soldier thus shouted out to those behind him: "Hold your fire, these are Americans." They then picked up the brother and sister and took them in their jeep into Mazar- i-Sharif where they found an American soldier. The American soldier asked them what they were doing in an area between Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif where they had captured many prisoners. The brother replied that they were aid workers for Oxfam. He praised Allah when the American soldier believed them, not knowing that Oxfam had ceased operations in Afghanistan a long time ago! However, he informed them that he would have to verify their credentials by taking them to his headquarters in Kabul, where hopefully everything could be quickly sorted out. He thus arranged a special car with guards to take them to Kabul.

As the brother managed to get a few quiet moments with his sister, he rehearsed the plan with her. He told her that there were no chance that they could return to either the Mujahideen or the Taliban positions; and nor could they wait until they arrived at Kabul since they would be exposed there. They sat in a truck filled with Russians and accompanied by four armed Shiite Hizbi-Wahdah fighters. In the cabin were two Americans. The brother brought his face closer to the noble face of his sister and she whispered to him, "I am ready. He then told her to repeat "La ilaha illallah..." behind him, which she did in a faint whisper, faint in volume but high in certainty and Iman. He then told her to say, "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Upon this we live, upon this we die, upon this we wage Jihad and upon it we hope to be raised up." She repeated this and then put her hand on the detonator button and pressed it.

A roaring tremor shook the truck, which was travelling at 25mph, and it overturned. The brother of the martyred sister managed to jump out of the truck as it left the road, having been injured by the explosion. From his other eye, however, he caught sight of a bright, concentrated, beam of light shining from the truck into the sky whilst the truck was otherwise in flames, in a ditch by the side of the road. Whilst part of the truck was burning, the brother made his way to the cabin to confirm that the two Crusaders did not survive. He saw that the two had perished due to the accident (not the fire) and the bodies of the Shiite fighters were strewn across the road far from the truck. As for the martyred sister, he saw her noble, pure body largely in tact despite the explosion, and he was satisfied that perhaps that beam of light he saw earlier must have taken care of her body.

As it was very late into the night, no-one came on the road. Four hours later, the brother prayed the Fajr Prayer, then he prayed for his martyred sister, the Mujahideen and finally, himself. By that time, the flames around the cabin had died down and the brother returned to it and saw the bodies of the two Americans, covered in blood. He took their sidearms: a 9mm Beretta pistol from one and a German pistol from the other. He then searched their pockets and found their personal identification cards, which read:

NAME: Ronald Stephen Leigh
CITY: Houston, Texas

NAME: Michael Simon Watkins
CITY: Los Angeles, California

[golden-bear]

http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=24

Martyrdom Operation Kills Five Americans in Kandahar Province

QUETTA (Baluchistan Times): Mullah Ameenullah, the Taliban official for border affairs, reported that five American Special Forces troops were killed and 20 were injured Monday in a martyrdom operation near the small Kandahar Airport, 20km from Kandahar city. In the ensuing firefight, eight of the Taliban were martyred, may Allah accept them.




http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=23

17 CIA Agents Killed in Takhta Pul

17 American CIA agents and 100 tribal Pushtuns allied to America were killed during fierce battles around Takhta Pul. Regarding the Taliban Intelligence Minister defecting to the Northern Alliance, this news is false. A low-level intelligence individual who was dismissed from his job five years ago defected to the Alliance. He does not possess any sensitive information nor pose any danger. Elsewhere in Afghanistan, it has been confirmed that 9000 Iranian troops are on the ground in Bamiyan Province and Kabul, in order to fight against the Mujahideen.

15 US Commandos Killed in Southern Afghanistan

CHAMAN (AAN): A unit of US Commandos was searching for Al-Qaida units in Southern Afghanistan when they were ambushed by a Taliban patrol with heavy weapons. We are waiting for American and British Forces

[golden-bear]

40 American Coffins Said Flown Home
12-4-1

ISLAMABAD (PNS) - While the intense bombing on the Taliban positions in and around Kandahar continued incessantly day and night on Sunday amid reports of gun battle between the Taliban fighters and the anti-Taliban forces, at least 40 dead bodies of the American soldiers were flown back to United States. A major English daily The Frontier Post has reported in their newspaper.

Sources from Spin Boldak said that American had suffered these casualties during ambush attack by the suicide commandoes of the Taliban forces in Baldek and Tahkta Pul which is under the control of a local anti-Taliban Commander Haji Gul Agha.

Americans recovered these bodies on wee hours of Saturday morning while the heavy bombardment continued by the US war planes and airlifted to Dalbindin air base in Balochistan for onward journey to Jacobabad and finally back to United States, the sources added. But independent confirmation these report could not be made.It is also said that the number of the US forces in the southern Afghanistan could be around 10,000.

It may be mentioned that the Spokesman of the coalition forces in Islamabad had accepted the incidents of casualties but he had not disclosed the number of casualties suffered. Sources have also said that the Taliban forces have also suffered hundreds of heavy casualties but because of intense bombing exact number could not be determined.

However Taliban were still holding the control of Kandahar,Spin Boldak and some areas in Hilmund and that the gun battle was going on till the filing of this report.Meanwhile sources at Chaman border said that least 15 person which include children also were killed when the US war planes bombed a moving vehicle on the road between Spin Boldak and Kandahar on Sunday.

http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=6&date1=2001-12-03

[Rainer6767]

BREAKING NEWS from CNN.com

-- Pentagon officials tell CNN two U.S. soldiers accidentally killed, 20 wounded in B-52 bombing run north of Kandahar.
Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news.


Aber manche Leute glauben ja lieber anderen Quellen. Ist hier wirklich irgend jemand so dumm zu glauben, dass amerikanische Opfer durch die US-Regierung geheimgehalten werden könnten??

[sabbel]

@#33 von Rainer6767

ja, ich

[minni]

es wundert mich schon, dass angeblich so wenige Amerikaner
verwundet oder getötet sind und dauernd Meldungen von
getöteten Taliban oder Al Qaeda Kämpfern kommen. Heisst
das, dass die gar nicht zurückschiessen oder nicht treffen.
Es wurde doch gesagt, dass die so gute Kämpfer sein
sollen. Immerhin sind ja jetzt die Bodentruppen in
Afghanistan drin. Die Amerikaner werden lt. den
Meldungen, wenn überhaupt, scheinbar nur von den eigenen
Irrläufern getroffen.

[Rainer6767]

@minni:

Wie im Golfkrieg. Da sind US-Soldaten auch vor allem durch "friendly fire" umgekommen, d.h. aus Versehen.
Man darf auch nicht vergessen, dass die USA jetzt nicht einen Krieg führen wie dies bspw. die UdSSR (mit Sympathie unserer Pazifisten von der PDS/SED) getan hat, also mit massivem Einsatz von Bodentruppen. Damals gab es dann rund 1 Million toter Afghanis und rund 100.000 tote Sowjetsoldaten.
Ich bin nicht im Geringsten davon überrascht, dass sich die Zahl der toten US-Soldaten bislang im einstelligen Bereich bewegt.

[eierdieb]

Ich denke auch die Amerikaner haben bis jetzt nur geringe Verluste.

Das ganze Brimborium um die Spezialeinheiten, die auf Pferden im Einsatz durch die Wüste reiten halte ich für eine riesige Medien-Bubble.

Ich glaube, das die Amerikaner bislang noch kaum in direkte Kampfeinsätze verwickelt wurde.

Außerdem glaube ich, wenn Gefahr bestand in face-to-face Kämpfe verwickelt zu werden wurde um Luftunterstützung gebeten und der Gegener mit Raketen atomisiert.

[eierdieb]

Ich denke auch die Amerikaner haben bis jetzt nur geringe Verluste.

Das ganze Brimborium um die Spezialeinheiten, die auf Pferden im Einsatz durch die Wüste reiten halte ich für eine riesige Medien-Bubble.

Ich glaube, das die Amerikaner bislang noch kaum in direkte Kampfeinsätze verwickelt wurde.

Außerdem glaube ich, wenn Gefahr bestand in face-to-face Kämpfe verwickelt zu werden wurde um Luftunterstützung gebeten und der Gegener mit Raketen atomisiert.

[eierdieb]

Ich denke auch die Amerikaner haben bis jetzt nur geringe Verluste.

Das ganze Brimborium um die Spezialeinheiten, die auf Pferden im Einsatz durch die Wüste reiten halte ich für eine riesige Medien-Bubble.

Ich glaube, das die Amerikaner bislang noch kaum in direkte Kampfeinsätze verwickelt wurde.

Außerdem glaube ich, wenn Gefahr bestand in face-to-face Kämpfe verwickelt zu werden wurde um Luftunterstützung gebeten und der Gegener mit Raketen atomisiert.

[Rainer6767]

@eierdieb (was für ein Nick!)

Genau. Warum sollten sie auch ihr Leben riskieren, um Fanatiker zur Strecke zu bringen? Man hat ja gesehen, wie Taliban-Kämpfer selbst nach der Gefangennahme noch ihr Leben opfern.
Also bei Widerstand sofort mit voller Wucht drauf. Alles andere ist für Filme über Ritter etc. geeignet, nicht aber für`s reale Leben.

[asiate]

Hey

fakt ist, das welche gefallen sind und an Hand der Mitteilungen eröffnen sich Wiedersprüche, wie schon den ganzen Krieg über:


US-Treffer auf eigene Leute


Z wei amerikanische Soldaten sind in Afghanistan durch einen peinlichen Vorfall ums Leben gekommen. Bei Luftangriffen auf Kandahar seien zwei Marines getötet und 20 weitere verletzt worden, bestätigte das Verteidigungsministerium am Mittwoch. Ein B-52-Bomber habe nördlich von Kandahar sein Ziel verfehlt und irrtümlich die eigenen Leute bombardiert.

Nach Angaben des Pentagon wurde bei dem Abwurf einer 900-Kilogramm-Bombe auch eine unbekannte Anzahl von Anti-Taliban-Kämpfern getötet oder verletzt.

In amerikanischen Medien hieß es, die US-Soldaten seien von Taliban-Kämpfern angegriffen worden und hätten Luftunterstützung angefordert. Daraufhin habe der B-52-Bomber seine lasergesteuerte Bombe abgeworfen. Offenbar seien aber die falschen Koordinaten eingegeben worden, oder das Zielerkennungssystem habe versagt.

Fünf amerikanische Verletzte befinden sich nach Informationen des Fernsehsender NBC in einem kritischen Zustand. Sie wurden mit Helikoptern zu einem Stützpunkt gebracht. Mehrere verletzte Afghanen wurden zur Behandlung auf die „USS Pelelieu“ im Arabischen Meer geflogen.

Zusammen mit dem in der vergangenen Woche in Masar-i-Scharif ums Leben gekommenen CIA-Agenten sind damit drei Amerikaner bei Kämpfen in Afghanistan getötet worden.

aus - http://www.focus.de

Bis dann

[Rainer6767]

@asiate:
Was für Widersprüche? Das deckt sich doch mit der von mir zitierten Meldung von CNN.

[asiate]

Hey

@Rainer

sorry, ich habe mich falsch ausgedrückt, die Wiedersprüche sollten sich nicht ausschließlich auf diese Meldung beziehen, sondern allgemein zu dort abgelaufenen Dingen.

so z.B., das die Amerikaner angeblich nichts davon wissen, ein Dorf den Erdboden gleich gemacht zu haben -

Das afghanische Bergdorf Kama Ado wurde am Wochenende dem Erdboden gleichgemacht. Mindestens 115 Menschen wurden durch amerikanische Bombardements getötet. Nach Angaben des Pentagon soll nichts passiert sein. Doch britische Reporter haben das Dorf besucht.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,171114,00.html

und ich kann mir vorstellen, dass das noch nicht alles war was ans Tageslicht kommt ==> darauf bezog sich u.a. - Wiedersprüche -

Bis dann

[Rainer6767]

@asiate:

Ich verstehe immer noch nicht, wo Dein Problem liegt. Es kommt doch alles ans Licht, oder nicht? Oder woher beziehst Du Deine Infos? Na also. Und wenn das Pentagon diesbezüglich Gewissheit hat, wird es die irrtümliche Bombardierung auch zugeben.

Die Sache mit dem Dorf ist wirklich sehr bedauerlich. Lässt sich wohl trotz aller Sorgfalt und trotz High-Tech Waffen nie ganz vermeiden. Schade, das immer die Schwächsten einer Gesellschaft auch dafür leiden müssen, dass ihre Führer skrupellose Massenmörder sind.

[golden-bear]

http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=26

06 December 2001 : Taliban Kill 93 US Commandos and Capture Six
"Severe damage has been done to the Americans but the media keeps it in the dark," says Taliban Interior Minister
QUETTA (Islam News): The Interior Minister of Afghanistan says that it is absolutely ridiculous and baseless that the Americans, resting in a desert, 220 miles away from Kandahar claim to have captured the city of Kandahar. Similarly, the Pashtun claim to have captured Kadahar is based on false reports. He further said that the local and the international media reveal only one side of the picture, but the truth is that heavy damage has been done to the Americans in Afghanistan. In recent operations, Taliban troops killed 93 Americans and captured six. Dozens of soldiers were killed in and around Takhta Pul. Furthermore, an Amercian helicopter was also destroyed in this battle, but the media continues to keep such news in the dark. The Minister informed about World about the wellbeing of the Kandahar Taliban Corps Commander, Mulla Akhtar Uthmani and Taliban Air Force Commander, Akhtar Mansoor. According to him, the Taliban have total control over Spin Boldak and the news about the retreat of the (local) Taliban commander in Spin Boldak is incorrect.


Dalbandin and Jacobabad Stink Due to the Smell of Rotting American and British Troops

JACOBABAD (KPI): There has been a marked shortage of chemicals in Jacobabad and Dalbandin, which serve to preserve the dead bodies of the American and British soldiers reaching these two cities. As a result of this, the atmosphere around the airbases in these towns is giving off a foul stench due to the rotting of these corpses. According to the latest news from the information office at Swat, the British and Americans are very much disturbed because they do not want to send these bodies to their countries, thus creating panic and uncertainty in their people. Therefore they are trying all possible means to preserve these bodies, but obviously all these means will prove to be shortlived. It has also been reported that numerous coffins have been sent to these areas. On the one hand, the Americans are making every possible effort not to disclose the deaths of their soldiers in Afghanistan, while on the other hand their families are busy preparing for the celebrations of Christmas back home.


"Jihad Will Continue Even if Usama is Martyred" Al-Qaeda

KUWAIT (Al-Watan): Al-Qaeda has once again expressed its firm determination that the Jihad will not come to a stop, not even if Usama Bin Laden is martyred. Another Usama will appear to impart the teachings of Jihad and the rebirth of Usama will continue each time the former Usama is martyred. Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, Al-Qaeda spokesman, said in an interview to Kuwaiti newspaper, Al-Watan, that he condemned the Government of Kuwait for the cancellation of his citizenship. He further expressed his firm determination for striving for the noble cause of Jihad in future, for the sake of Allah and Islam. Earlier, Al-Qabaas News (Kuwait) issued a news report about Sulaiman Abu Ghaith being injured or martyred by the American attacks, but Al-Watan News (Kuwait) confirmed his wellbeing from the Taliban.


EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW OF `DAILY ISLAM` WITH TALIBAN COMMANDER IN KUNDUZ, MULLAH DADULLAH

KANDAHAR: Mullah Dadullah, the senior guerrilla commander of the Taliban arrived in Kandahar from Kunduz last week. He is a warrior of great courage, firm determination and par excellence. He is believed to be the biggest threat and enemy to the Northern Alliance who declared him as one of their most wanted men. His narrow escape from the clutches of the Northern Alliance in Kunduz is an amazing miracle in itself and indeed a blessing of Allah.

DAILY ISLAM: Don`t you think the retreat of the Taliban has increased the morale of the Americans?

MULLAH DADULLAH: No, this is not the case. The Americans are very well aware of the courage and determination of the Taliban fighters, and with the strength with which they all withstood the American attacks over Mazar-i- Sharif for a whole month. We heard a Northern Alliance commander say to another on the wireless radio that an American said to him that ever since they have started their war against the Taliban, they have realised how courageous and brave these people (Taliban) are, and if they continue to fight with the same valour, we will never be able to win the war against them.

DAILY ISLAM: Weren`t you a part of the treaty between the Taliban under the leadership of Mullah Fazal and the Northern Alliance (to vacate Kunduz)?

MULLAH DADULLAH: To tell you the truth, I do not trust the Northern Alliance at all. To avoid any disputes, I told Mullah Fazal that may Allah reward you for your pure intentions, grant me the permission to fight the enemies of Allah. In case of survival, I`ll be a warrior (Mujahid), otherwise a martyr, and indeed martyrdom is my intense desire. The aim of Mullah Fazal was to defend and safeguard the fellow troops because he has great fondness and love for the Mujahideen. I pray to Allah to spare him and his colleagues from the seizure by the enemy so that he rises once again against the enemies of Islam.

DAILY ISLAM: What do you say about the battles in and around Mazar-i- Sharif?

MULLAH DADULLAH: We have fought many fierce battles at Mazar-i-Sharif and most of these battles were historical. In the recent days I had only 500 guerrillas (Mujahideen) and 400 amongst them got martyred. In addition to this, 300 of the Mujahideen who were with Mullah Naafiz`s platoon got Shaheed. Inspite all of this, we continued to fight with the same spirit and valour, and the fact is that the tree of Islam cannot be nourished and flourished EXCEPT with the blood of the martyrs.

DAILY ISLAM: Why did the Taliban retreat from Mazar-i-Sharif? Was it due to heavy bombardment and fierce attacks?

MULLAH DADULLAH: No, this wasn`t the reason. The reason was that some of the local commanders came under pressure of US threats and they sold themselves in exchange of few dollars. Therefore in these circumstances we didn`t have any option other than leaving Mazar-i-Sharif. Ameer-ul-Mumineen ordered us to leave the North, but we made some decisions ourselves due to which our brothers were made captives. Had we acted on the orders of Mullah Umar, this wouldn`t have been the case.

DAILY ISLAM: How is Mullah Umar and the rest of the leaders?

MULLAH DADULLAH:I met Mulla Umar and the others upon my arrival in Kandahar and it gave me a lot of pleasure and contentment of heart. I gave a detailed account of the conditions in Kunduz and Mazar-i-Sharif to Ameer-ul- Mumineen. We have had some important discussions with some senior ministers about the guerrilla war against the Americans.

The great Taliban commander concluded the meeting by saying that a Muslim`s life is incomplete without Jihad and that we have been blessed with the opportunity to fight in the Path of Allah.

[Depritrader]

Goldbärchen,

das sind ja köstliche Quellen, die du da heranziehst:

http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=24

Ich nehme mal an, dass die meisten Board-Teilnehmer im Gegensatz zu Dir nicht wissen, dass die in London ansässige Azzam Publications, die diese Website betreiben, ein Jihad-Sprachrohr mit engen Kontkakten zu Al Qaida ist. Auch die Seite qoqaz.net, wo in mehreren Sprachen zum Jihad-Trainign aufgerufen wird, wird von Azzam betrieben.

Ich nehme mal zugunsten Deiner Intelligenz an, dass du nicht von zuhause aus, sondern aus jeweils verschiedenen Internet-Cafés aus postest. Ansonsten kannst du dir sicher sein, dass BND und BfVS dir auf den Fersen sind. Und sollten die das bislang verpennt haben, dann sind sie ab heute benachrichtigt - von mir!

[Rainer6767]

"Mullah Dadullah", ich lach mich schlapp. Das reimt sich auch noch.

Und weiter geht`s mit Golden-Bears Märchenstunde:

US Government Deploys Special Corpse-Destroying Troops

Due to the inability of the American public to accept casualties, the US Government has deployed special landborne and airborne military units in Afghanistan whose sole aim is to retrieve the bodies of American soldiers killed in action and withdraw. If they are unable to take the bodies, they call in airstrikes which launch bombs that spray a special chemical over the area and the bodies, disfiguring them so it is not possible to recognise that they belong to Americans. Evidence of US Chemical Weapon Usage on Civilians Coming Soon

Hundreds of Afghan civilians have been attacked using US chemical weapons. Photographic evidence of this will be posted on this web-site soon insha- Allah.

Im Klartext: Die US-Luftwaffe versprüht Chemikalien, um die Leichen von US-Soldaten aufzulösen, damit sie nicht mehr erkannt werden.

Wann endlich werden einige Teilnehmer hier erkennen, dass dies die gleichen Quellen sind, aus denen auch die Infos bezüglich "Flächenbombardements" kommen??

[Rainer6767]

Na endlich:

BREAKING NEWS from CNN.com

-- Taliban leader Mullah Omar will begin surrendering Kandahar on Friday, a Taliban official tells CNN.
Watch CNN or log on to http://CNN.com /AOL Keyword: CNN for the latest news.

Er selbst kann hoffentlich nicht fliehen. Der Galgen wartet schon.

[golden-bear]

Quelle: http://66.96.205.195/~azzam/afghan/news/news.php?id=27

SEVERE CLASHES BETWEEN TALIBAN AND US COMMANDOS, DOZENS OF AMERICAN TROOPS KILLED AND SERIOUSLY INJURED

KANDAHAR (Islam News): US Commandos and the anti-Taliban leader, Commander Hamid Karzai`s militia made a joint attack over Taliban at Sha Wali Kot in the North of Kandahar. The Taliban not only withstood this attack, but also repelled the U.S infantry and Hamid Karzai`s militia. This was the first face to face clash between the Taliban and the American troops aided by the anti-Taliban Afghan forces which was successfully made useless by the Taliban. Immediately following this, the Taliban made a massive counter-attack on the US soldiers in which dozens of American troops and anti-Taliban agents were shot dead and numerous were seriously injured.

Further to this, severe damage was also caused to their arms and ammunition. The news of this unsuccessful U.S operation and their heavy loss has created a wave of distress and panic in the U.S. Government and in order to hide this news from the public, the Pentagon is now making false propaganda that these US Commandos were killed because a B-52 US bomber accidently missed its target. The military experts all around the world have expressed their greatest amaze at this telecast by BBC, considering it ridiculous and baseless that a computerised and lasered bomb can miss its target `accidently`(!) and still kill many dozens of soldiers despite landing 100m away from its target.

ARAB GUERILLAS ATTACK GUL AGHA`S CAMP, DISGUISED AS AMERICAN COMMANDOS, KILLING 70

KANDAHAR (Islam News): The Arab Mujahideen carried out an extremely well-planned and unique operation against the American agent Gul Agha. They disguised themselves as American commandos and headed to Gul Agha`s troop positions in the North East of Kandahar, driving captured American jeeps adorned by captured US flags. They told the excited crowd that they had come to distribute dollars amongst them so the troops gathered in a single place. Soon after receiving the signal, a fleet of ten jeeps loaded with Arab Mujahideen appeared and they started their attack, killing at least 70 of the troops and seriously injuring dozens of them. The victorious Mujahideen managed to escape safely from the scene after causing serious damage to Gul Agha`s troops.

US HELICOPTERS ESCAPE AFTER THROWING OFF 20 DEAD BODIES FROM THE AIRCRAFT

QUETTA (Islam News): US helicopters flew away throwing off 20 dead bodies at a small town, Torkhah, in Surkhab Province. These bodies were of Gul Agha`s men and three of them have been identified. Gul Agha`s troops now hold the Americans in great contempt for this inhuman act towards them. The American troops regard the dead bodies of their own men with all the due respect and show disrespect and contempt for the bodies of those who help the U.S by fighting against Taliban, even though hundreds of them have been killed on the front lines by Taliban troops.

GUL AGHA`S FOLLOWERS REVOLT AGAINST HIM. "TALIBAN ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH, WE WILL NO MORE BE WITH GUL AGHA"

CHAMAN (Islam News): Gul Agha`s men have started to revolt against him and have accepted that the Taliban are on the right path. Hayat Hameed Zai (25) confessed that he was paid ten thousand rupees to fight against Taliban at Takhta Pul. On the first night of an operation, a colleague, Habibullah Hameed Zai shot dead three Arabs dead on the orders of Gul Agha and one Arab was arrested. This man was given a rifle as reward from Gul Agha. The following morning, when Hayat Hameed Zai saw the bodies of these Arabs, he noticed that their faces were dazzling radiantly and he didn`t take long to realise that these men are the martyrs and that the Taliban are on the right path. With this thought, he left Gul Agha`s militia and joined the Taliban.

Another man leaving Gul Agha`s troops, Sardar, reported that the followers of Gul Agha neither fast the month of Ramadan nor do they let others fast in this holy month. He further said that he had been turned out of the militia, being declared as a spy of Mulla Umar and a traitor to their unit, just because he wanted to fast.

HAMID KARZAI HAS BEEN SERIOUSLY INJURED IN A SPECIAL GUERILLA OPERATION BY TALIBAN

KANDAHAR (Islam News): In the North of Kandahar, Sha Wali Kot district of Southern Afghanistan, one of the very well known anti-Taliban leaders, Hamid Karzai, has been seriously injured along with some US soldiers, in a well planned operation by Taliban guerillas which was originally aimed against the US commandos.

According to the details, Hamid Karzai was busy in some special meeting with some US soldiers, when they were attacked by the Mujahideen. The Mujahideen managed to escape without any damage. The news about his injury has also been confirmed by Pentagon though they claimed he was injured in the same B-52 bomb attack that several dozen US soldiers were killed in despite this bombing dropping several kilometres from Hamid Karzai. It is unbelievable that ordinary Americans still trust the news given out by their Government after all this.

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