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[Andrax]

Hallo,
ich habe mal folgendes Posting des users madinvestor2000 von RB kopiert, da es ziemlich auf den Punkt bringt, was da gerade läuft:


icu2uknow and all,

Thank you. Yes, I do feel very suspicious for a number of reasons:

1- I have (as well as you) never heard of a company stating that they plan on filing bankruptcy... That in itself is suspicious... What I find even more so however is that they are giving a 5 to 10 day notice that they are "filing"... One big ? Why the 5 to 10 days?? Why not just file... The process is not instantaneous anyhow...

2-Why now? Why not at the deadline date that the creditors gave??

3-Why did the 3rd biggest institutional holder of eToys (Moore Capital Managment INC/NEW)increase their position during the after hours on Friday?? I believe it is safe to assume that the increase was done during after hours because of the large (over 1 million shares blocks) traded in extended hours on Friday, and their increase not showing up/ reported by Moore until Saturday. I feel after hours is important because it is less visible/more discreet... I.e. less eyes watching...

4-Why have none of the top institutions sold significant amounts of there stake, if any at all (the only reported sale by a top holder was G&S, but the sale was small compared to there holdings and it took place a while ago, i.e a 247,229 sale and their current holdings are 1,293,097.... ???

5-Why the same doom and gloom??? I.e. We believe are shares are worthless.... We don`t think we will find a buyer...

6-Why all the generalizations, but no definitive statements/words?? I.e.
"Plan to"

"expects to"

"doesn`t expect to"

"belief that "

"in the very near term"


8-If the creditor theory is correct (i.e. creditors have been buying up shares to get their money/eToys debt back and a profit when the price rises) isn`t this going to be the ultimate time for them to do so.... ? The price will drop to a few cents and they will be able to scoop up all that they haven`t before (not "all" though ☺... ).

7-Finally what I find most interesting is that Nasdaq has all but acknowledged that this sounds fishy by releasing this statement:

"Nasdaq Changes Status of Trading Halt in eToys Inc. And Requests Additional Information from Company"

They are "requesting" that eToys tell them what exactly is going on, before they allow trading to resume... In my opinion Nasdaq thinks this is shady as well...

Ultimately time will tell, and I have said it before, since I got in to this stock; "this is a 50-50 gamble don`t do it if you can`t afford to lose it"... Each person should make their own decision based on their own research which may or may not be based on others. In conclusion, this is your deal, no one elses, and I wish you all good luck! My position on this topic is and has been clear, i.e. I am riding this out...

Best wishes!
-Mad
PS:Icu2uknow, thank you for your unselfish time and effort! Your karma points have risen significantly!

[Hans T.]

@ Andrax
auch ich kann dir sagen was da gerade abläuft.
Es kommt ein Inwestor der die Reste von ETOY für ein Butterbrot aufkauft.
Die Erlöse werden aber nicht reichen um die ganzen Verbindlichkeiten zu bezahlen.
Die Aktien werden wertlos, der Name, die Internetadresse,
ect. sind im Besitz des Inwestors, welcher vieleicht in einem halben Jahr neue Aktien ausgibt und das Spiel beginnt
von neuem.

Gruß Hans T.

[uwsei]

@ Hans T.

Investor * Investor * Investor kapiert!

P.S. = Kapitalanleger nicht Kapitalvernichter

[Hans T.]

@ uwsei
Danke für die freundliche Belehrung. Investor kapiert !!!
Aberr mir als Investor ist das Kapital der anderen sch...egal !
Gruß Hans T.

[zocerol]

ist das nicht meer möglich dass eTOYS an der boerse handeln????

[Raiky]

Meines Erachtens ist ein erneuter Handel so lange
möglich, wie eToys noch an der Nas gelistet ist.
Zur Zeit sind sie genau so ausgesetzt, wie Critic
Pat vor einiger Zeit.
Dazu müsste aber ein Investor oder Übernamekandidat
erscheinen.Diese Möglichkeit besteht immer noch.Wenn
es eine Einigung zwischen den Gläubigern und den neuen
Eignern geben würde,wodurch die Gläubiger mit einem neuen
Unternehmenskonzept wenigstens einen Teil ihres Geldes
zurück bekommen würden.Die Chancen für dieses Szenarium
sind aber eher gering.
Gruß Raiky

[Andrax]

nochmal was interessantes aus RB:


Just received an email...
A fellow trader friend sent me an email and asked me to check it out. Without posting the original email, I`ll do my best to duplicate it.

Dear XXXX
Just for the heck of it, take a look at the similarities between EEEE eMachines & ETYS eToys.

Institutions EEEE_______________________ETYS____________________

Moore Capital M - 1,001,049 - Moore Capital M - 3,823,749
Moore Capital A ------99,007 - Moore Capital A -----596,328
Goldman Sachs -----660,003 - Goldman Sachs ----1,293,097
Barclays Bank ---------39,533 - Barclays Bank ------1,253,153
Amarindo ------------1,008,510 - Amarindo --------------573,400
TIAA --------------------164,200 - TIAA ----------------------437,735
Mellon Bank ----------105,623 - Mellon Bank ------------318,040
Northern Trust --------153,105 - Northern Trust ---------233,822
Credit Suisse -----------19,815 - Credit Suisse -----------46,135
___________________________________________________________

BASHERS SAME GROUP ON EEEE & ETYS Boards.

Take a look on Raging Bull & Yahoo Boards / Both EEEE & ETYS
Read posts and compare the similarities, grammar, personalities etc... This group has been BASHING eMachines & eToys 24-7 using a host of "some same" aliases.

DO THEY WORK FOR IDEALAB?

___________________________________________________________


Bill Gross EEEE shrs = 13,016,750
Bill Gross ETYS shrs = 14,043,040

Both Companies = IDEALAB Incubators
___________________________________________________________

Could there be something in all this? ""Possible AGENDA"" I don`t know! Keep your eyes on their SEC filings and if you see anything out of the ordinary, email me quick!
Take care, XXXX
___________________________________________________________

Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, hier kommt noch eine faustdicke Überraschung..

[traydor]

etoys will anscheinend morgen bekannt geben, dass sie ihr Baby-Center verkaufen (für 10 Mio USD).
Dazu habe ich das folgende, interessante Posting gefunden:

eToys Will Trade Again
by: pathfinder012001 03/02/01 07:52 am EST
Msg: 80184 of 80184

by: hermcz2 03/02/01 12:27 am EST
Msg: 80150 of 80183

Indeed, you bring up a good point. Now the sale of this babycenter to be announced tomorrow cannot take place just prior to a BK filing. Whether Chapter 7 or 11. No sale of any assets can take place 6 months to filing a BK petition (unless it is done so in the normal course of operating a business). So for this deal to be announced now seems contradictory to the BK announcement. The BK judge can render void and nullify any deal hashed out just prior to a BK filing. Toby Lenk cannot sway the judge to any deals just worked on even if the deal benefits all parties concerned.

Selling off assets in and of itself is not a bad thing when the other alternative is filing BK. But the two strategies must reside exclusive of one another. They cannot be done complimentary, or supplementary to one another. A BK judge will dismiss a BK petition if he discovers that asset sales occured prior to the filing of the BK petition.

[NASDAQDANCER]

Thursday March 1, 8:35 pm Eastern Time
TheStandard.com
EToys Is Giving Up Its Babycenter
By Miguel Helft


EToys is selling its Babycenter unit, a group of content sites for new and expecting parents, to health-care products giant Johnson & Johnson for about $10 million in cash, according to people familiar with the situation.

The sale is expected to be announced Friday before the stock market opens. It comes after weeks of unsuccessful efforts by eToys to sell itself, following a disappointing holiday season. The company, whose shares have fallen to 9 cents, is saddled with about $280 million in debts.

Earlier this week, eToys said it will soon file for bankruptcy. At that time, the Santa Monica, Calif-based toy retailer halted trading in its shares, saying they likely will become valueless.

Babycenter has long been praised for the quality of its parenting content. The Babycenter unit comprises the Babycenter.com site, as well as Parentcenter.com and Babycenter.co.uk.

The Babycenter store, which is operated from eToys` warehouses, is not part of the transaction and will be temporarily closed, according to the sources.

Johnson & Johnson, of New Brunswick, N.J., plans to keep Babycenter`s San Francisco location. The company plans to retain current Babycenter employees and expects to expand the unit.

With approximately 98,500 employees, Johnson & Johnson is the world`s largest maker of health care products, selling to consumers as well as to the pharmaceutical and professional markets. It has more than 190 operating companies in 51 countries around the world, selling products in more than 175 countries. Babycenter will become part of Johnson & Johnson Consumer Companies.

EToys acquired Babycenter shortly before going public in May 1999, after a bidding war with rival Amazon.com, which also was interested in the site.

Neither company was available for comment.

[DrMurat]

Hallo Kollegen !!!
Kann mir jemand sagen wann und ob überhaupt
Etoys wieder gehandelt wird??

[red.x2]

CORRECTED - Johnson & Johnson to buy eToys` BabyCenter


In NEW BRUNSWICK item headlined "Johnson & Johnson to buy
eToys` BabyCenter", please read in first paragraph ...from
nearly bankrupt... instead of ...from bankrupt...
Please read fifth paragraph as ...On Monday, eToys said it
planned to file for bankruptcy five to 10 days hence... instead
of ...eToys filed for bankruptcy...
(Corrects to show that company has not yet filed for
bankruptcy.)
A corrected version follows.

NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J., March 2 (Reuters) - Healthcare goods
maker Johnson & Johnson on Friday said it will acquire
Internet content provider BabyCenter Inc. from nearly bankrupt
Internet toy store eToys Inc. for $10 million in cash.
BabyCenter operates Web sites including BabyCenter.com,
ParentCenter.com, and Britain`s babycentre.co.uk.
BabyCenter`s advertising business and all other site
activity, including health and parenting articles as well as
weekly e-mail newsletters, will continue to operate
independently, Johnson & Johnson said. The BabyCenter Store was
not a part of the transaction, and will be temporarily closed.
BabyCenter will be part of Johnson & Johnson Consumer
Companies Inc. and will remain based in San Francisco. It
expects to retain and add to the current staff, Johnson &
Johnson said.
On Monday, eToys said it planned to file for bankruptcy
five to 10 days hence, and called its stock worthless.
(( -- Jean Scheidnes, New York Equities Newsdesk (212)
859-1700))

[Andrax]

Jaja, ein kleiner, aber feiner Unterschied ...

[Andrax]

CHAPTER 11 - NEWS OUT - CNBC just said Etoy just filed for CHAPTER 11 Bankruptcy. Squawk Box 9:18 a.m.

[janolo]

so, und was bedeutet das jetzt für uns E-toysler ????

[Ammonit]

WILMINGTON, Del., March 7 (Reuters) - Driven by a heavy debt load after a bad holiday season, Internet retailer eToys Inc. (NASDAQ:ETYS) filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in advance of a liquidation expected to start on Thursday with the closing of its Web site.

Etoys is past tense

mfg AMMo

[mpk]

Sieht nicht gut aus, was auf der HP von eToys zu lesen ist




Thank You for Visiting eToys.


Unfortunately, we`ve closed our doors, and we`re no longer accepting new orders.
Please rest assured that all existing orders are currently being processed and shipped. For more information, please read our frequently asked questions.

Thanks again for shopping with eToys. It`s been our sincere pleasure serving you.

[hartigjoerg]

Hey, schon mitbekommen ?
ETOYS wird wieder gehandelt. Klar, dass war zu erwarten, dass der Kurs erst einmal eine bodenlandung macht - aber, es geht weiter. Jetzt nicht irre werden und zu früh verkaufen...

Euer JOSCH (www.joerghartig.de)

[mpk]

Ups,
hab´s grad gesehen, daß die in D wieder gehandelt werden.

Na, dann schaun mer mal...

Grüße, mpk