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      schrieb am 18.02.00 17:56:34
      Beitrag Nr. 1 ()
      Hallo zusammen,

      heute listete die China Sci-Tech Holding
      an der Berliner Boerse.
      Erster Schlusskurs 0,04E.

      Wuerde gerne Informationen zusammentragen.
      Wer hilft ?.

      Danke
      metisdo
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      schrieb am 18.02.00 18:23:19
      Beitrag Nr. 2 ()
      Hallo,

      folgendes habe ich gefunden:
      CHINA SCI-TECH INTERNATIONAL TRUST INVESTMENT CO..LTD
      http://csitic.com (in chinesisch)
      WKN 894984
      Kürzel CVH, Börse Berlin, erster Kurs 0,03, letzter 0,04
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      schrieb am 18.02.00 18:41:28
      Beitrag Nr. 3 ()
      Hi Sigi S,

      vielen Dank, das ist schon mal ein anfang.

      metisdo
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      schrieb am 18.02.00 20:37:23
      Beitrag Nr. 4 ()
      Viellecht gibt es ja interessenten fuer
      den Wert.

      Also ich hab das folgende gefunden.


      China Sci-Tech Holdings Ltd. [Code: 0985]

      Exclusive distributor in Hong Kong , the PRC and Taiwan of the
      two-way radio communication products of Marantz Japan, Inc.
      In Oct 1994 it completed a distribution agreement with Motorola.
      The group`s present activities include: trading of radio communications equipment
      and accessories; the manufacturing of theses accessories in the PRC;
      and the servicing of existing customers through a network of service centres in the PRC.

      Sector: Consolidated Enterprises
      Chairman: Sung Oi Kwan, Edward
      Major Shareholder:

      Address: 104-1106 Harcourt House, 39 Gloucester Road, H.K.

      Tel: (852) 2865-3328
      Fax: (852) 2865-1717
      ------------------------------------------------------------------

      Umfassende Infos, Links usw. gibts bei
      http://www.zyber/tb
      dann Asien

      metisdo
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      schrieb am 18.02.00 21:02:06
      Beitrag Nr. 5 ()
      Hi zusammen,
      Die Wertpapiernummer lautet 894981.

      Gruss
      York

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      Avatar
      schrieb am 18.02.00 21:19:19
      Beitrag Nr. 6 ()
      Lieber metisdo
      Leider kommt man mit Deiner Angabe www.zyber/tb nirgends hin.
      Was ist falsch daran?
      Besten Dank für Deine Korrektur.
      Avatar
      schrieb am 18.02.00 21:23:31
      Beitrag Nr. 7 ()
      Sorry,

      http://www.zyber.de/tb

      metisdo
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      schrieb am 18.02.00 21:33:10
      Beitrag Nr. 8 ()
      Hey Leute werde mich am Montag gleich damit eindecken wie siehts mit
      euch aus? Wo will die Aktie hin ausser nach oben denn Techniologie und
      Internetaktien werden in diesem Jahr in China und Asien der Renner.
      Glaubt mir und denkt an den Nordasia der seit Auflegung im Jan.schon
      30% gemacht hat wenn der so weiter geht sind wir am Jahresende bei
      360% also unbedingt rein für uns Zocker eine konservative Absicherung.
      Avatar
      schrieb am 18.02.00 22:12:25
      Beitrag Nr. 9 ()
      Hi,

      ich gruesse alle Staemme der Ureinwohner Amerikas,
      and the world. :), sorry.

      Nein, im Ernst.
      Ich hab noch zuwenig info um euphorisch zu reagieren.
      Ich moechte aber allen die Gelegenheit geben an einem
      Erstlisting (in Deutschland) teilzunehmen.
      Gerade wenn man am Anfag dabei sein kann, koennen auch ohne
      viel Input gute Gewinne realisiert werden. Ach das wisst ihr ja!

      Bin eigentlich kein Zocker (siehe Adultshop postings)
      Doch, wer moechte nicht am Anfang dabei sein?

      metisdo
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      schrieb am 18.02.00 22:25:27
      Beitrag Nr. 10 ()
      Hey Metisdo bin ein Nürnberger Indianer, habe echtes american blood
      und deswegen für jede Pioneeraktie bereit, kaufe derzeit alles was in china + Japan nen Namen im Technologiesektor hat bin aber auch bei Adelong und Adultshop dabei mit denen noch viel Freude aufkommt.
      Hough Indi
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      schrieb am 19.02.00 14:24:14
      Beitrag Nr. 11 ()
      Hi York,

      stimmt, die WKN ist 894981, hatte mich vertippt.

      Sigi S
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      schrieb am 19.02.00 15:16:47
      Beitrag Nr. 12 ()
      Hallo,

      habe soeben ein Statement zu China Sci-Tech von
      meinem australischen Kollegen bekommen.
      (Er ist selbst aus Hong Kong, wohnhaft in Down Under)

      Auszzug:
      China Sci-tech is good one i reckon if you check stockhouse hk you will
      found that Mr Stanly Ho is one of majoy sharehold.who is Macau casino boss
      one of richest man in H.K now this company going to own cgc(Australia
      gamblind ins.)19.9%.also check stockhouse .com.au x.cgc
      Good luck


      metisdo
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      schrieb am 19.02.00 15:44:14
      Beitrag Nr. 13 ()
      Hier eine alte Meldung,
      aber sehr interessant:

      Quelle:
      http://209.238.162.39/wwwboard/messages/74.html
      -----------------------------------------------------------------

      China Sci-Tech to Buy 33 Percent China Online Stake
      Lateline News: 10/22/99]

      Hong Kong - China Sci-Tech Holdings Ltd., a two-way radio communication equipment manufacturer, plans to buy a 33 percent stake in China Online (Bermuda) Ltd., a small Hong Kong Internet company, from China Strategic Holdings Ltd., the Ming Pao Daily News reported, citing unnamed market sources. China Online will develop online gambling, the paper said. Stanley Ho, a Macau business tycoon who made a fortune in casinos, owns a 16.7 percent stake in China Sci-Tech, the paper said.

      China Online, China Strategic and China Sci-Tech all asked for their shares to be suspended trading yesterday pending an announcement.
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      schrieb am 19.02.00 16:39:20
      Beitrag Nr. 14 ()
      Company Description

      Wright Quality Rating: LDNN
      China Sci-Tech Holdings Limited manufactures and markets telecommunication, electronic and electrical products. The group provides a range of new telecommunication products including handheld and mobile transceivers. Other activities of the group are the provision of management services and investment holding. Electronic products and electrical products accounted for 82% of fiscal 1999 revenues and telecommunication products, 18%.the year, the group commenced the trading of electronic and electrical products. The group acquired 30% interest in Beijing Contrad Communications Equipment Co. Limited formerly Beijing Contrad. Electronic products & electrical products accounted for 82% of fis 1999 revenues & telecommunication products, 18%
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      schrieb am 19.02.00 23:21:45
      Beitrag Nr. 15 ()
      Also, nur weil die am Freitag zum ersten Mal hier gehandelt wurden, müsst Ihr Euch nicht auf den Wert schmeissen!!!

      letzter Kurs: 0.27 Hong Kong Dollar = 0.03524 Euro
      also seid vorsichtig sonst gehts runter auf 0,03 Euro!

      hier Infos von efinet:
      15:30 27-JAN-2000
      DIARY - Equities World Headlines - Jan 27



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      WORLD HEADLINE DIARY FOR THURSDAY, JANUARY 27

      EUROPE
      ATHENS - Ergobank shareholders meeting to discuss
      a proposal for a stock split in three and a private placement of
      a "limited" number of new shares with staff. The agenda also
      includes the increase of the share`s par value via a
      capitalisation of reserves.
      BERLIN - Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung daily news paper
      news conference on its planned English edition 1000 GMT.
      BERLIN - German medium-sized business association meeting
      (BVMW), with German Justice Minister Herta Daeubler-Gmelin 1600
      GMT.
      BERLIN - German skilled trade association (ZDH) news
      conference with speech given bei ZDH President Dieter Philipp on
      tax and pension reform 0800 GMT.
      BERLIN - SAP AG and CEC Karlsruhe discussion forum
      on "Lifelong Further Education as a basic Need" 1100 GMT.
      BERLIN - Tourism forum on "Expo 2000 World Exhibition -
      Attractive for Tourists?" 1700 GMT.
      BERLIN - German Nuclear Forum congress with speech given by
      German Mining, Chmeical and Energy Union (IG BBCE) Head hubertus
      Schmoldt on "Jobs and Nuclear Energy" 0800 GMT, news conference
      with Hubertus Schmoldt 1130 GMT (To January 28).
      BRUSSELS - "New Access to New Content" conference on cable,
      TV and Internet (Final day).
      BUDAPEST - Hungarian chemicals maker TVK
      shareholders hold an extraordinary meeting, news conference 1600
      GMT.
      DUBLIN - Forfas agency publishes Enterprise 2010 report on
      the promotion of Irish business over next 10 yaers 1100 GMT.
      DUBLIN - Bertie Ahern opens Holiday World eXperience 2000
      trade show 1800 GMT.
      DUGA RESA, Croatia - Extraordinary meeting of Pamucna
      Industrija 1200 GMT.
      FRANKFURT - Engineering union IG Metall decision on wage
      demands expected.
      FRANKFURT - EurotaxSchwacke news conference on Schwacke
      Automobile Index 1000 GMT.
      FRANKFURT - German reconstruction bank Kreditanstalt für
      Wiederaufbau (KfW) news conference 0900 GMT.
      FRANKFURT - LVM-Versicherungen, news conference on start of
      a new fund 0900 GM.T
      FRANKFURT - Binding Brauerei AG news conference
      with Binding Chairman Klaus Erbrich 1000 GMT.
      FRANKFURT - Germ,an Automobile Association (VDA) news
      conference with VDA President Bernd Gottschalk 1000 GMT.
      GOSLAR - German traffic law conference, organiser: Deutsche
      Akademie fuer Verkehrswissenschaft, information: +49 5321 303340
      (To January 28).
      GRAJEWO, Poland - Chipboard maker Grajewo
      shareholders meeting 1000 GMT.
      HAMBURG - Spray Deutschland GmbH event on the company`s
      business in Germany 1200 GMT.
      HAMBURG - Ricardo.de AG news conference 1300 GMT.
      HAMBURG - German wholesale, exports and services employers
      association AGA members meeting 1700 GMT.
      LONDON - Conference- Defending Road Traffic Accidents.
      Organisers IBC, contact +44 171 453 5497.
      MADRID - Spanair holds working lunch on the airline`s
      outlook for 2000, 1300 GMT.
      MADRID - Industry Minister Josep Pique opens seminar on
      "Formation in business using new technologies" 0845 GMT.
      MADRID - Commerce and Tourism Secretary Elena Pisonero opens
      International Tourism Trade Fair (Fitur) seminar on "The
      Challenge of e-Commerce" 0830 GMT.
      MADRID - Seminar on "Stock issues of local corporations"
      0900 GMT (To January 28).
      MUNICH - NetValuation news conference on "The first Online
      Registrations of Internet-Use in Germany" 0900 GMT.
      NUREMBERG - News conference on international toys trade fair
      0900 GMT, trade fair to be held from February 3 to February 8.
      OSLO - The communications committee presents its
      recommendation to parliament on the failed Telia-Telenor
      telecoms merger.
      PARIS - Oil institute IFP forum "Panorama 2000", on energy
      and oil. Speakers include Petrobras Chairman Henri-Philippe
      Reichstul, PSA Chairman Jean-Martin Folz.
      PARIS - Forum de l`Expansion symposium, "France facing the
      shocks of the XXIst century", speakers include France Telecom
      Chairman Michel Bon, Finance Minister Christian
      Sautter. 0745 GMT.
      RIGA - Computer firm Fortech news conference on its
      developement plans 1000 GMT.
      VENICE - Telecom Italia meeting with financial
      analysts (To January 28).
      VIENNA - Conference: New developments in accident insurance,
      organiser: IIR GmbH, information: +43 1 89159222.
      VILNIUS - Final day to buy 0.25 percent state share in
      Rokishkis Cheese on bourse for 25 litas per share or 0.96
      percent state stake in Ukio Bank for 11 litas per share.
      VILNIUS - First day to acquire detailed projects on Feb 4
      Vilniaus Bank shareholders meeting.
      VILNIUS - Transportation Ministry council to discuss
      Lithuanian Airlines restructuring 0800 GMT.
      WARSAW - Polish Power Grids (PSE) news conference to
      announce the company`s new strategy 0900 GMT.

      AMERICAS
      BATTLE CREEK, Mich. - Kellogg Co. Q4 earnings 1330 GMT.
      BOGOTA - Savings and loan corporation Granahorrar
      shareholders` meeting.
      BOTHELL, Wash. - ICOS Q4 results.
      CALGARY - Founders Energy Ltd annual meeting.
      CINCINNATI - Cinergy Corp. Q4 earnigns before the market
      opens.
      COLUMBUS, Ga. - AFLAC Corp. earnings.
      DALLAS - Halliburton Co. Q4 earnings.
      HOUSTON - Anadarko Petroleum Corp. reports earnings.
      HOUSTON - Compaq Computer Corp analyst meeting.
      INDIANAPOLIS - Guidant Corp. Q4 earnings.
      IRVING, Texas - GTE Corp Q4 earnings.
      KELOWNA, British Columbia - Western Star Trucks Holdings Ltd
      holds Q2 teleconference 2100 GMT, Call 1800-379-4140 or
      (416)641-6699 locally. Rebroadcast available until Friday,
      February 4 at 1800-558-5253, reservation #14127334 or at
      (416)626-4100, reservation #14126653.
      KITCHENER - Electrohome Ltd annual meeting 1530
      GMT.
      MIDLAND, Mich - Dow Chemical Co. reports earnings.
      MONROE, La - Centurytel Inc. Q4 earnings before the opening
      bell.
      MONTREAL - Tembec Inc annual meeting 1600 GMT.
      NAPERVILLE, Ill. - Nicor Inc. Q4 earnings.
      NEW BRITAIN, Conn. - Stanley Works Q4 earnings.
      NEWTON, Iowa - Maytag Corp. Q4 earnings.
      NEW YORK - International Flavors & Fragrances Inc. Q4
      earnings.
      NEW YORK - KeySpan Q4 results.
      NEW YORK, NY - Avon Products Inc. reports earnings.
      OAKLAND, Calif. - Clorox Q2 results before market
      opens.
      OKLAHOMA CITY - Kerr-McGee Corp. Q4 earnings 1300 GMT.
      PHOENIX, Ariz. - Phelps Dodge Q4 earnings.
      PLEASANTON, Calif. - Safeway Inc. Q4 earnings.
      ROCHESTER, NY - Bausch & Lomb reports earnings.
      SAN FRANCISCO - Intel Corp. hosts luncheon on its
      research and development efforts.
      SAN MATEO, Calif. - Franklin Resources Inc. Q1 earnings,
      annual shareholder meeting 1800 GMT.
      SANTA CLARA, Calif. - Affymetrix Q4 results.
      SANTA CLARA, Calif. Microprocessor Report hosts an all day
      seminar on Intel Corp. , Intel, Forecast and challenges
      for the future. Followed by Analysts` Choice Awards Dinner.
      Westin Hotel, Santa Clara.
      SANTA MONICA - Stamps.com to report on BW.
      SAO PAULO - iG news conference at MuBe at Rua Alemanha 221
      1300 GMT.
      STAMFORD, Conn. - Pitney Bowes Inc. Q4 earnings.
      ST. PAUL, Minn. - St. Paul Cos Q4 earnings 1330 GMT.
      TORONTO - CFM Majestic Inc Q1 results.
      TORONTO - Trimark Financial Corp Q3 results.
      TORONTO - Bowater Inc , Domtar Inc ,
      Fahnestock Viner Holdings Inc , DuPont Canada Inc
      , AGF Management Ltd Q4 results.
      TORONTO - Caldwell partners International Inc ,
      Speedware Corp Inc annual meetings.
      TORRANCE, Calif. - Total Renal Q4 results
      TOWSON, MD - Black & Decker Corp. Q4 earnings.
      WELLESLEY, Mass - EG&G Inc. reports earnings before the
      market opens.

      ASIA
      ADELAIDE - Santos Ltd fourth-quarter/annual
      production report.
      BOMBAY - State Bank of India quarterly results.
      BOMBAY - Ranbaxy Laboratories quarterly results.
      BOMBAY - NIIT and Microsoft news conference to announce
      "strategic initiative" 0630 GMT.
      HONG KONG - PNF Food Holdings Ltd <0702.HK> trading debut.
      HONG KONG - Citibank luncheon on "Economic Outlook and
      Investment Opportunities in Asia" presented by David Simmonds,
      Asia Regional Currency Strategist 0430 GMT.
      HONG KONG - Wah Lee Resources Holdings Ltd <1215.HK> final
      results (postphoned from December 24, 1999).
      HONG KONG - Quality Food International Ltd <0735.HK>, Zhu
      Kuan Development Co Ltd <0908.HK> interim results.
      HONG KONG - Dah Sing Bank <0440.HK> and IBM announce
      strategic partnership 0515-0730 GMT.
      HONG KONG - News conference by Fortel Techology Ltd
      announcing details of the company`s revolutionary on-line
      multi-media technology 0345 GMT.
      HONG KONG - CS First Boston will host a luncheon
      presentation on "Outlook of Asia`s Banks in 2000 and Internet
      Banking Trends" by John Hobson, Asian Equity Research 0445 GMT.
      JAKARTA - PT Bunas Finance Indonesia Tbk EGM.
      KUALA LUMPUR - Signing ceremony for 80 million ringgit
      Murabahan Notes Issuance/Islamic Medium Terms Notes Facility for
      Bumi Armada Navigation Sdn Bhd arranged by Amanah Short Deposits
      Bhd at Istana Hotel 0330 GMT.
      KUALA LUMPUR - Effective Capital Sdn Bhd briefing on
      Irrevocable Request and Authority (IRA) proposal. Putra World
      Trade Centre (PWTC) 1000 GMT.
      MANILA - Philippine Tobacco Flue Curing and Redrying Corp
      annual stockholders` meeting 0600 GMT.
      MELBOURNE - Rio Tinto Ltd/Plc
      fourth-quarter/annual production report.
      MELBOURNE - National Australia Bank Ltd first
      quarter 1999/00 results.
      NEW DELHI - Finance Minister Yashwant Sinha inaugurates 27th
      All India Conference of Corporate Managers and Tax Executives
      0530 GMT. (To January 28).
      NEW DELHI - Indian phamaceutical firm Ranbaxy results.
      PENANG - T.H. Hin Corporation Bhd EGM 0630 GMT.
      PERTH - Grange Resources Ltd , general meeting 0200
      GMT.
      SEOUL - Korea Federation of Small and Medium Business news
      conference to announce auto parts makers forming a consortium to
      participate in Daewoo Motor bid.
      SEOUL - Commerce Ministry, Federation of Korean Industries
      and consulting firm McKinsey Inc forum on e-commerce.
      SEOUL - Ministry of Planning & Budget to release report on
      restructuring progress of state-run firms 0300 GMT.
      SEOUL - Commerce Ministry to release report on 1999 cement
      supply and demand with outlook for 2000 0300 GMT.
      SINGAPORE - Teleconference seminar on Investment
      Opportunities in new Indonesia. Speaker Michael S. Horn of
      Coudert Brothers, Singapore and P.T. CB Indonesia, Jakarta; and
      moderator Barry Metzger, Coudert Brothers of New York. 0300 GMT.
      SINGAPORE - Signing ceremony between Sun Microsystems,
      Info-communication Development Authority of Singapore, and
      Nanyang Technological University 0245 GMT.
      SINGAPORE - Ericsson 3G Symposium with its president Anders
      Runevad; and, director of TDMA Strategic Larry Wood 0230 GMT.
      SYDNEY - Goldfields Ltd first-half results, media
      briefing, Wentworth Hotel, 61-101 Phillip St, 0300 GMT.
      SYDNEY - Woolworths Ltd sales for 28 weeks ended
      January 9.
      SYDNEY - Pacmin Energy Ltd general meeting (2200
      GMT Wednesday).
      SYDNEY - Cable & Wireless Optus Ltd displays
      content on Optus@Home broadband venture. 100 Harris St, Pyrmont,
      0630 GMT.
      TAIPEI - Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co unveils
      fourth-quarter earnings/institutional investors conference.
      Grand Hyatt 0600 GMT.
      TAIPEI - Far EasTone Telecom If Card, NBA Re-charge Card
      signing ceremony and product launch news conference 0600 GMT.
      TOKYO - Domestic vehicle sales data for December/calendar
      1999 -- Japan Automobile Dealers Association 0400 GMT.
      TOKYO - Yotaro Kobayashi, chairman of Japan Association of
      Corporate Executives, speaks at luncheon sponsored by Yomiuri
      International Economic Society. 0300 GMT.
      TOKYO - Softbank Finance Group briefs on its business
      strategy at Akasaka Prince Hotel. 0130 GMT.
      WELLINGTON - St Lukes Group interim results.

      MIDEAST/AFRICA
      ABUJA - Nigerian Communications Commission names qualified
      bidders for national GSM mobile telephone licences at $100
      million each.
      BEIRUT - Union of Arab Banks seminar on settlement systems
      and the internet (Third day).

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      schrieb am 20.02.00 20:46:13
      Beitrag Nr. 16 ()
      Für reinrassige Zocker wie mich eine Überlegung wert, warum soll man nicht, sagen wir 1000 Mark investieren? Erfahrungsgemäß kommt es zu Anfang meistens zu Kursgewinnen.
      OptionsIdiot
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      schrieb am 20.02.00 22:43:04
      Beitrag Nr. 17 ()
      "Für reinrassige Zocker wie mich ... sagen wir 1000 Mark investieren"

      :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      Nichts für ungut,

      Ciao
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      schrieb am 21.02.00 06:05:49
      Beitrag Nr. 18 ()
      Interessant ist die 33%ige Beteiligung an China.com.

      Was haltet Ihr davon ?
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      schrieb am 21.02.00 17:05:26
      Beitrag Nr. 19 ()
      Hallo,
      ich habe die aktie gekauft bei 0,04 euro. ich weis nur, dass ein ziemlich einflußreicher sinokaufmann über 30 % der Aktie hält. Das spricht für eine gut Zukunft. Ich habe heute per fax material direkt angefordert. werde rechtzeitig posten. ich habe mich entschieden, diese aktie zu kaufen aus folgenden gründen.
      1. die aktie ist frisch auf dem deutschen markt
      2. ein einflußreicher sinokaufmann steckt dahinter.
      3. das produkt (werde noch mehr darüber bringen) ist hauptsächlich im telefoniebereich handy etc. 1,2 milliarden chinesen wouwo, wenn nur ein bruchteil...)
      4. in china können nur chinesische firmen etwas bewirken.(also ericosson oder nokia etc.können nur in cooperation verkaufen)
      5. die aktie ist ja sooo billig
      jeder muss wissen was er tut.
      ich habe es getan.
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      schrieb am 21.02.00 21:39:31
      Beitrag Nr. 20 ()
      He Donnie, Schlauberger,

      vielleicht biste Millionär, ich nicht. Bei so ner unsicheren Sache nehm ich gern mal auch 300 Mark mit, dafür mach ich nicht 10000 Verlust, wenns schiefgeht.
      Mein nomen ist nicht omen ....

      OptionsIdiot
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      schrieb am 27.02.00 23:27:41
      Beitrag Nr. 21 ()
      Gibts denn niemanden,
      der mit-recherchiert?

      metisdo


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