882282 Kaiser Alluminium + hier könnte es am Montag gewaltig knallen ?? - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[Wachsam]

Der Handel war heute wohl ausgesetzt ?
In Frankfurt wurden keine Umsatze zugelassen.
Berlin hat keine Order angenommen. Hinweis: kein Handel
möglich.


Wer NEW´s kennt bitte melden ?

Fakt ist wohl das Airbus bis 2011 einen Deal mit
dem Unternehmen hat.

Wenn es hier um den A 380 geht, na ja ????

[big_mac]

Der Artikel zum Deal mit Airbus:
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050606/65728.html?.v=1
in den USA normaler Handel

[Wachsam]

Normal ist gut, 11 % Plus.

[Wachsam]

Aber Danke für den Artikel. In der Tat der A 380.

[big_mac]

na ja, 1 cent plus, mit einem Mini-Order am Schluß
aber jedenfalls normal gehandelt - keine Aussetzung oder so was.

[big_mac]

p.s.: die Meldung ist vom 6.6, also nicht eben neu.

[Wachsam]

Die Kursaussetzung muss irgendwo zwischen
16:00 und 19:30 gewesen sein.

Ich habe es um 19:15 Uhr in Berlin versucht
und bekam den Hinweis das der Handel nicht möglich
sei.

In Frankfurt ist die Aktie ohne Umsatz kurz
vor Börsenschluss um 33 % gestiegen.


In USA ging es auch erst wieder ab 19:00 Uhr
los. Dazwischen war Ebbe.


Ich denke die Sache hatte einen Grund und den
werden wir erfahren.

[Wachsam]

negative NEW´s können es nicht sein, sonst wäre
am Ende kein Plus dabei heraus gekommen ?

[Wachsam]

KAISER ALUMINUM CORP
Börse: NASDAQ OTC BB
Datum: 24.06.05
Tickliste Zeit Kurs Volumen
21:28:27 0,0950 15000
20:51:04 0,0900 10000
19:23:05 0,0900 1800
19:23:05 0,0900 5000
19:22:57 0,0850 3000
19:22:56 0,0850 5000
19:10:34 0,0870 30000
19:10:34 0,0860 2000

?

15:58:52 0,0870 3530
15:51:16 0,0870 19000
15:41:51 0,0870 800

[Wachsam]

So damit soll es dann für heute auch gut sein:


Ein Unternehemen wie Airbus würde doch keinen
Vertrag bei einem >"fragwürdigen Unternehmen"<
bei einem so wichtigen Projekt wie der A 380
abschliessen. Oder denke ich hier falsch ?

[toc]

#10

Das mag sein, es wäre aber nicht das erste mal dass ein zulieferer eines großunternehmens pleite geht, aufgrund von aussenständen etc.

[Wachsam]

grundsätzlich stimme ich Dir zu, nur hier waren
die Schwierigkeiten vorher bekannt. Also war das
Risiko von Anfang an. Das kostet dem, der die
Entscheidung getroffen hat bei Airbus den Kopf
wenn es schief geht !

[big_mac]

[posting]16.992.622 von Wachsam am 24.06.05 23:05:49[/posting]Kaiser Aluminium ist ein altes Traditionsunternehmen.

Kaiser ist derzeit unter Chapter 11, also im Gläubigerschutz, bzw. in der Insolvenz (die drüben ganz anders gehandhabt wird).

Ursache des Gläubigerschutzverfahrens dürften auch (oder nur ?) Schadenersatzansprüche aus Klagen wegen Asbestschäden sein.

Es kann also durchaus sein, daß die Firma OPERATIV läuft als ob nix gewesen wäre - allerdings die AKTIONÄRE nichts davon haben (weil die Kohle die nächsten 20 jahre bei den Gläubigern landet)

Interessierte mögen die Geschäftsberichte selbst lesen
z.b. http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050513/klucq.ob10-q.html

[Volker_41]

Na toll...

ich habe heute morgen mal eine kleine Order in Berlin aufgegeben. Nur mal schauen wo der Kurs steht...
und wo steht er ? ...Ihr seht es ja jetzt..

Gruß

[yoennie]

Hallo Leute,

ich verweise mal auf mein posting von vor ein paar Wochen.

Sollte Kaiser Chapter 11 verlassen, sind eure Anteile definitiv wertlos!!!

Zum Zocken momentan lohnt es sich aber allemal.

Gruß

[Volker_41]

Danke
da habe ich doch wohl was falsch verstanden...

da schauen wir doch mal ob wir das Zeug wieder los werden.

Lach....mal eben schnell was dazu gelernt...frei nach dem Motto..
wer nicht lesen kann muss zahlen.

[wayne99]

Kurze Zusammenfassung der News - Chapter11 wird wohl verlassen:


Press Release Source: Kaiser Aluminum Corporation


Kaiser Aluminum Files Plan of Reorganization and Disclosure Statement
Wednesday June 29, 2:08 pm ET


FOOTHILL RANCH, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 29, 2005--Kaiser Aluminum Corporation announced today that it, together with Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corporation and 19 of their subsidiaries, filed a plan of reorganization and a related disclosure statement in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware.
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The disclosure statement is subject to approval by the Bankruptcy Court, and certain provisions of the plan regarding the treatment of asbestos and other personal injury claims remain under negotiation. In addition, the plan must be voted upon by Kaiser`s creditors and ultimately confirmed by the Bankruptcy Court. Once the disclosure statement is approved by the Bankruptcy Court, the company will commence solicitation of approval of the plan by the creditors. No assurance can be given that the plan will ultimately receive the necessary approvals by creditors or be confirmed by the Bankruptcy Court, or that the transactions contemplated by the plan will ultimately be consummated.

Based on the recent pace of the reorganization process and assuming there are no prolonged delays in the plan approval process, the company would expect to emerge from Chapter 11 during the fourth quarter of 2005.

Consistent with disclosures in Kaiser`s Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2004 and its Quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the period ended March 31, 2005, the company`s restructuring would resolve pre-petition claims that are currently subject to compromise. Those claims include, among others, retiree medical, pension, asbestos and other tort, bond and note claims. The plan would also result in the cancellation of the equity interests of current stockholders and the distribution of equity in the emerging company to creditor constituents. The majority of the new equity would be distributed to two voluntary employee benefit associations that were created in 2004 for salaried and hourly retirees in connection with the cancellation of retiree medical plans. All pre-petition personal injury claims relating to asbestos, silica, coal tar pitch and hearing loss would be permanently resolved by the formation of certain trusts funded primarily by Kaiser`s rights to proceeds from certain of its insurance policies.

Complete details are included in the plan and disclosure statement, which the company is filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission as attachments to a Form 8-K. The company also has posted the documents in the "Restructuring" section of its web site at www.kaiseraluminum.com.

Kaiser Aluminum President and Chief Executive Officer Jack A. Hockema said, "In February of 2002, we said that Chapter 11 would provide us with the tools we needed to restructure our balance sheet and return to sustained long-term profitability. The plan we filed today provides those tools. We are now well on our way to completing our goal of emerging with a solid financial position, a strong balance sheet and the capability to grow in our key transportation and industrial markets."

Hockema said, "None of this would have been possible without the employees, customers, suppliers and other supporters who stuck with us through this period, and we thank them. Our job now is to complete the reorganization and drive this company to its full potential in terms of customer service, quality, product development and financial performance."

Kaiser Aluminum Corporation (OTCBB:KLUCQ - News) is a leading producer of fabricated aluminum products for aerospace and high-strength, general engineering, automotive and custom industrial applications. The company has more than 2,000 employees and 11 plants in North America having the capacity to produce more than 400 million pounds annually of value-added sheet, plate, extrusions, forgings, rod, bar and tube. Upon emergence, the company also expects to continue to own its 49% interest in Anglesey Aluminium Limited, which operates an aluminum smelter in Wales.

Company press releases may contain statements that constitute "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including without limitation information regarding the future economic performance and financial condition of Kaiser, the status and progress of the company`s reorganization, the plans and objectives of the company`s management and the company`s assumptions regarding such performance and plans, are forward-looking in nature. Kaiser cautions that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve significant risks and uncertainties, and that actual results may vary materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. Actual events could differ materially from those reflected in the forward-looking statements contained in this press release as a result of various factors, including but not limited to those relating to: obtaining approval of the disclosure statement by the Bankruptcy Court; obtaining requisite approval of the plan by creditors; obtaining confirmation of the plan by the Bankruptcy Court and thereafter consummating the plan; competition in the industry in which Kaiser operates; the loss of Kaiser`s customers or changes in the business or financial condition of such customers; conditions in the markets in which Kaiser operates; economic, regulatory and political factors in the foreign countries in which Kaiser operates, services customers or purchases raw materials; unplanned business interruptions; increases in the cost of raw materials Kaiser uses; rising energy costs; Kaiser`s hedging program; expiration of the power agreement of Anglesey; Kaiser`s loss of key personnel or inability to attract such personnel; employee relations; pending asbestos-related legislation; Kaiser`s compliance with health and safety, environmental and other legal regimes; environmental and other legal proceedings or investigations affecting Kaiser; Kaiser`s ability to implement new technology initiatives; Kaiser`s ability to protect proprietary rights to technology; and other risks described in the disclosure statement, a copy of which will be posted on the company`s website. No assurance can be given as to whether or when Kaiser`s plan of reorganization will be consummated or, if and when it does become effective, as to the actual amounts that will ultimately be distributed thereunder to Kaiser`s creditors.



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Contact:
Kaiser Aluminum, Houston
Scott Lamb, 713-775-2742



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Source: Kaiser Aluminum Corporation

Form 8-K for KAISER ALUMINUM CORP


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29-Jun-2005

Other Events, Financial Statements and Exhibits



Item 8.01 Other Events
On June 29, 2005, Kaiser Aluminum Corporation (the "Company"), together with certain of its subsidiaries (collectively with the Company, the "Debtors"), filed with the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware (the "Bankruptcy Court"): (a) a Joint Plan of Reorganization of Kaiser Aluminum Corporation, Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corporation and Certain of Their Debtor Affiliates (the "Plan") and (b) a related Disclosure Statement (the "Disclosure Statement"). A copy of a press release announcing the filing of the Plan and the Disclosure Statement is attached hereto as Exhibit 99.1 and incorporated herein by reference.

Copies of the Plan and Disclosure Statement as filed with the Bankruptcy Court are attached hereto as Exhibits 99.2 and 99.3, respectively. The Disclosure Statement contains certain projections (the "Projections") of financial performance for the fiscal years 2005 through 2008. The Debtors do not, as a matter of course, publish their business plans, budgets or strategies, or make external projections or forecasts of their anticipated financial position or results of operations. The Company has filed the Disclosure Statement as an exhibit hereto because such Disclosure Statement has been filed with the Bankruptcy Court in connection with the Debtors` reorganization proceedings. The Company refers to the limitations and qualifications included in the Disclosure Statement, including without limitation those set forth under the captions "Reorganized Kaiser - Projected Financial Information - Principal Assumptions" and "New Common Stock - Risk Factors - Risks Relating to Certain Financial Information Regarding the Reorganized Debtors" with respect to the Projections. In addition, the Company notes that all information contained in the Disclosure Statement is subject to change, whether as a result of amendments to the Plan, as a result of the actions of third parties or otherwise.

Bankruptcy law does not permit solicitation of acceptances of a plan of reorganization until the bankruptcy court approves the disclosure statement relating to such plan. Accordingly, this announcement is not intended to be, nor should it be construed as, a solicitation for a vote on the Plan. The Plan will become effective only if it receives the requisite stakeholder approval and is confirmed by the Bankruptcy Court.





Item 9.01. Financial Statements and Exhibits.
(c) Exhibits.


*99.1 Press Release dated June 29, 2005
*99.2 Joint Plan of Reorganization of Kaiser Aluminum Corporation, Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corporation and Certain of Their Debtor Affiliates

*99.3 Disclosure Statement Pursuant to Section 1125 of the Bankruptcy Code For the Joint Plan of Reorganization of Kaiser Aluminum Corporation, Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corporation and Certain of Their Debtor Affiliates

* Included with this filing.

[wayne99]

Ich hoffe mal dass die meisten ihre Shares noch losgeworden sind zu vernünftigen Kursen

[Volker_41]

ohje...

ich bin sie zwar noch los geworden...aber zu "vernünftigen" Kursen wohl kaum...0,023 Cent..

Da werde ich wohl ne Weile Knäckebrot essen....

aber immerhin.....aus Schaden wird man klug...

also ab zum nächsten Invest....

[UH1d]

Aktuell plus 90%

Nur gezocke?
Schon komisch wenn die Shares voraussichtlich wertlos werden.

Grüße

[wayne99]

[posting]17.156.833 von UH1d am 06.07.05 19:17:52[/posting]Das Gezocke gabs doch bei WCOEQ (Worldcom) damals auch, gebracht hats nix außer Totalverlust für die meisten

[UH1d]

111%

[big_mac]

gute Zwischenzeit
am Ende kommt aber die Zero

[hainholz]

[posting]17.002.227 von big_mac am 26.06.05 01:55:52[/posting]Personenschäden behauptet die in Beziehung auf Asbest, Silikon, Kohlenteertaktabstand und Verlust der Hörfähigkeit würde dauerhaft durch die Anordnung bestimmter Vertrauen behoben, die hauptsächlich durch Rechte Kaisers zu den Erträgen von sicherem seiner Versicherungspolicen finanziert wurden, die gesagte Firma. © Reuters 2005.

[hainholz]

[posting]17.156.869 von wayne99 am 06.07.05 19:20:53[/posting]Worldcom war ja auch am Ende,Kaiser ist aber voll am Ball.

Mam möge doch mal aufzeigen,wieso,die Aktien wertlos werden.
Habe noch nirgends entsprechende Unterlagen gelesen.
Das wäre ja irgendwo Betrug am Anleger.

[hainholz]

Da ist schwer was am laufen

Riesiges Volumen gegenüber der letzten Zeit

Day`s Range: 0.039 - 0.05
52wk Range: N/A
Volume: 737,095

[hainholz]

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050606/65728.html?.v=1

[hainholz]

KAISER ALUMINUM CORP (OTC BB:KLUCQ.OB) Delayed quote data

Last Trade: 0.05
Trade Time: 11:49AM ET
Change: 0.01 (25.31%)
Prev Close: 0.04
Open: 0.04
Bid: 0.04 x 5000
Ask: 0.05 x 5000
1y Target Est: N/A

[hainholz]

[Wachsam]

Vielleicht ging der Schuss erst nach hinten los,
aber jetzt geht es in die richtige Richtung ?

[hainholz]

zieht weiter an

[hainholz]

sehr volatil das Teil

[big_mac]

[posting]17.227.076 von hainholz am 13.07.05 16:15:42[/posting]natürlich. es darf gezockt werden

wenn der Plan durchgeht, dann:
The plan would also result in the cancellation of the equity interests of current stockholders and the distribution of equity in the emerging company to creditor constituents.

mit anderen Worten: Die derzeitigen Aktionäre werden leer ausgehen, die Firma wird den Gläubigern gehören.
noch kürzer: Die NULL ist gesichert !