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[yok]

Das Recherchepotential der MBX-Gemeinde ist unerschöpflich, trotzdem- mir fehlen Antworten:

-REYKJAVIK
SD beim chat nach der letzten Adhoc "Flugkosten nach Reykjavik, Oslo und Kopenhagen sind an der Tagesordnung"
Die letzten beiden- okay, aber R.? Wieviele Firmen gibt es in einem 200 000 Einwohnerland, die keine Pommesbuden sind?
Ein Hinweis in der unendlichen Schnitzeljagd des SD fuer seine Anleger??

-Inter-NordiG
Was hat es mit NordiG (www.nordig.org) auf sich?
Wer sich die Seite anschaut, sieht, dass das ziemlich genau das ist, was MBX plant bzw. baut.
Ist Internordic dasselbe wie Nordig, dann sind so gut wie alle Big Player des Nordens mit im Boot.
Ist Internordic Konkurrenz zu Nordig, dann sind sie unglaublich dreist, den Namen so zu kopieren.
BTW, die page ist nicht veraltet, sondern hat zuletzt am 11/10/00 ein neues Dokument dazubekommen.

-6000 STUECK
Wer verkauft und warum gerne in der Schlussauktion genau 6000 St. MBX zu tiefen Kursen?
Fiel am Montag und Mittwoch auf.

Bitte um viele clevere Antworten, aber verdammt mich nicht, falls eines der Themen schon mal irgendwo diskutiert wurde...
MfG, Yok

[Zaratustra]

What is NorDig?

NorDig is an cooperative organisation as constituted 5th November 1997 in Odense Denmark (see press-release and Odense-document). NorDig will specify a common platform for digital-TV within the Nordic region (Denmark, Finland, Island, Norway and Sweden). The initial goal has been to specify IRD:s for use in cable, sattellite and terrestrial networks.
Which are the present members in NorDig?
The NorDig group represents per March, 23 1999 the following broadcasters, operators and service providers in the Nordic countries:
Danmarks Radio (DR)
TV2/Danmark
Tele Danmark
Helsinki Media
Helsinki Telephone Co
MTV3 Telecom Finland
Sonera
Yleisradio (YLE)
Landsimi Islands
Rikisutvarpid (RUV)
Canal Digital
Norsk Rikskringkasting (NRK)
Norkring
Telenor
TV2 Norge
Canal+
Modern Times Group (MTG)
NSAB
Scandinavian Broadcasting Service (SBS)
Senda
Sveriges Television (SVT)
TV4 Sweden
Telia
Teracom

und....


NorDig II
Digital Integrated Receiver
Decoder Specification

for use in cable, satellite and terrestrial networks
Compliance list to NorDig II specification (ver. 0.9)

This list indicates the requirement status (mandatory, optional or descriptive) of the various sections of the NorDig II specification; the requirements are, however, given in the specification itself.
This list contains in addition a column for the industry to state compliance or non-compliance to the requirements.

List of Compliance with NorDig II (ver.0.9).
Green = no mandatory requirement included in this part (section).
M: Mandatory requirement for NorDig II.
O: Optional or recommended.
Chapter/section Spec.Section:Req. status Compliance status of product Comments
1. Introduction ---------- -------------
2. General Features ---------- -------------
Part A. Hardware and firmware
3. The Frontend of the NorDig box ---------- -------------
3.1 Common Features ---------- -------------
3.1.1 General features M
3.1.2 Common scanning procedures M
3.1.3 Quality Reception Detector M
3.2 Satellite Tuner and Demodulator ---------- -------------
3.2.1 General M
3.2.2 RF/IF Characteristics M
3.2.3 Input Frequency range/Tuning range M
3.2.4 Tuning/Scanning Procedures M
3.2.5 Control Signals M
3.2.6 Demodulation M
3.2.7 Satellite Tuner Interface and Signal Levels ---------- -------------
3.2.7.1 RF Input Connector M
3.2.7.2 RF Output Connector (option) O
3.2.7.3 Signal Level M
3.2.7.4 Power Supply and Control Signals (to RF unit) M
3.2.8 Performance M
3.3 Cable Tuner and Demodulator ---------- -------------
3.3.1 General M
3.3.2 RF Characteristics M
3.3.3 Tuning/Scanning Procedure M
3.3.4 Bypass RFin to RF out O
3.3.5 Performance Data ---------- -------------
3.3.5.1 Analogue and Digital Signals M
3.3.5.2 Digital Signals M
3.4 Terrestrial Tuner and Demodulator ---------- -------------
3.4.1 General M
3.4.2 Frequencies M
3.4.3 Modes M
3.4.4 Tuning/Scanning Procedures M
3.4.5 Changes in Modulation Parameters O
3.4.6 Connector M
3.4.7 Performance ---------- -------------
3.4.7.1 C/N Performance O
3.4.7.2 Minimum Receiver Signal Input Levels M
3.4.7.3 Maximum Receiver Signal Input Levels M
3.4.7.4 Immunity to “analogue” and/or “digital” carriers in Other Channels O
3.4.7.5 Immunity to Co-Channel Interference From Analogue TV-Signals M
3.4.7.6 Performance in Time-Varying Channels O
3.4.7.7 C/(N+I) Performance in Single Frequency Networks M
3.5 Transport Stream Input/Output ---------- -------------
3.5.1 Use of Transport Stream Input/Output O
3.5.2 Bit Rate (Capacity) O
3.6 Additional Front-end O
4 MPEG-2 Demultiplexer ---------- -------------
4.1 General M
4.2 DVB Descrambler Performance M
4.3 System Clock Recovery M
5 MPEG-2 Video Decoder ---------- -------------
5.1 General M
5.2 Constraints and Extensions ---------- -------------
5.2.1 Active Format Description M
5.2.2 Displaying 16:9 Material on 4:3 Monitors M
5.2.3 Displaying 4:3 Material on 16:9 Monitors M
5.2.4 16:9 Letterbox Conversion M
5.2.5 14:9 Letterbox Conversion O
5.2.6 Down conversion M
5.2.7 Up conversion M
5.2.7.1 Default Location Mode M
5.3 Still picture support M
6 MPEG-2 Audio Decoder ---------- -------------
6.1 General M
6.2 Constraints and Extensions ---------- -------------
6.2.1 Audio Video Synchronisation M
6.2.2 Set-up Levels M
6.2.3 Multichannel Audio M
6.2.4 Digital Audio Output M
6.2.5 Half sampling rates O
6.3 Applications M
7 Controllers and memory ---------- -------------
7.1 Hardware /Hardware Capacity ---------- --------- -
7.1.1 General M
7.1.2 Controllers O
7.1.3 Memory M
7.1.4 Persistent Memory Device O
7.2 The Bootloader ---------- -------------
7.2.1 Introduction M
7.2.2 Over-the-air via Broadcast Download M
7.2.3 PSI and SI Specification M
7.2.4 Serial Download M
8. Graphics processing M
9. Interfaces and Signal Levels ---------- -------------
9.1 Introduction O
9.2 RF-PAL Output O
9.3 Transport Stream Input/Output ---------- -------------
9.3.1 General M
9.3.2 Main Common Interface M
9.3.3 Additional Transport Stream Input/Output O
9.3.3.1 IEEE 1394 O
9.3.3.2 Additional Common Interface O
9.4 Smart Card Interface M
9.5 Interaction Channel Interface M
9.6 Scart Interface M
9.7Audio Interfaces M
9.8 Serial Data Interface M
9.9 Additional Data Interface M
9.9/9.10 Remote Control Interface O
9.10/9.11 Remote Keyboard Interface O
10 Performance ---------- -------------
10.1 Introduction ---------- -------------
10.2 Video Performance of RGB and PAL Signals M
10.3 Audio Performance of the Decoded Digital Signal M
10.4 Zapping Time for TV Services M
10.5 Analogue Demodulated Video and Audio M
10.5.1 Video Performance of the Demodulated Analogue Signal M
10.5.2 Audio Performance of the Demodulated Analogue Signal M

Part B: The system software with application programming interfaces (API)
Chapter/section Statusof spec. section Status of product Comment
11 IRD System Software and API M
11.1 Detailed profile Definition M
11.2 Content Formats M
12 Service Information ------------ -------------
12.1 General M
12.2 Network Information Table (NIT) M
12.3 Service Description Table (SDT) M
12.4 Event Information Table Present/ Following (EIT p/f) M
12.5 Event Information Table schedule M
12.6 Time and Date table and Time Offset Table M
12.7 PSI requirements M
13 Navigator ------------ -------------
13.1 General M
13.2 Service List ------------ -------------
13.2.1 Service List Requirements M
13.2.2 Mandatory Descriptors for the NIT M
13.2.3 Mandatory Descriptors for the SDT M
13.3 ESG ------------ -------------
13.3.1 ESG Requirements M
13.3.2 Event Information Table p/f (EIT p/f) M
13.3.3 Time and Date Table (TDT) and Time Offset Table (TOT) M
14 Teletext and subtitling ------------ -------------
14.1 Teletext M
14.2 DVB Subtitling M
15 Interfaces for Conditional Access ------------ -------------
15.1 Use of the DVB Common Interface ------------ -------------
15.1.1 General M
15.2 Use of smart card reader ------------ -------------
15.2.1 General M
15.2.2 Application Level Interfaces for Conditional Access M
15.2.3 ECM and EMM Filtering M
16 The Remote Control ------------ -------------
16.1 Functions M
16.1.1 Numeric Entry M
16.1.2 Basic TV-functions O
16.1.3 Digital TV functions M
16.1.4 Design and labelling O
16.1.5 Mapping of Key Events M
17 User preferences M
Annex A: NorDig members ------------ -------------
Annex B: Terminology and Definitions for Single Frequency Networks Performance Parameters ------------ -------------
Annex C: Subjective QEF Quality Measurement ------------ ------------

weiter.........

30th October 1997


Plan to achieve uniform specifications for digital television distribution in the Nordic countries
Introduction
The following document has been prepared pursuant to the MOU and a meeting of the Nordic public service broadcasters and Nordic `national telecom companies`, which, according to a summary of the minutes dated 28th August 1997, asked a group of representatives of the participating organizations to draft a plan which, taking its starting point in current activities, would result in the establishment of common specifications for digital television in the Nordic countries or, alternatively, mutually compatible national solutions.
The pages that follow present an outline of the working group`s proposal.

Members of the working group:

Jan-Olof Gurinder, SVT
Johan Thorud, NRK
Tove Rodahl, NRK
Anders Kronborg, DR
Olle Mossberg, TV4
John-Inge Bratteveit, TV 2 N
Per Schrader-Nielsen, TV 2 N
Per Parbo, TV 2 D
Ismo Silvo, YLE
Andero Hoffman, MTV3
Eyjólfur Waldemarsson, RUV
Per Mellberg, Teracom
Hans Brattberg, Telia
Hasse Iwarsson, Telenor
Per Bendix, Tele Danmark
Finn Søndergaard Pedersen, Tele Danmark
Objectives
Nordic television companies and telecom companies seek to formulate and follow a common strategy leading to the introduction of digital television in the Nordic countries. The overarching goals of this collaboration are threefold: to make the transition from analogue to digital television reception as simple as possible for Nordic viewers, to avoid end eliminate technical hindrances which might block viewers` access to the various programme companies` output, and to make the transitional period with parallel analogue and digital transmissions as short as possible.
More specifically, the cooperation should ensure

that the nationwide channels of all the Nordic countries be accessible throughout the Nordic region, should the transmitting company so wish;
that a uniform set of criteria and specifications regarding receiver apparatus be set out for the benefit of manufacturers and providers of service; and
that viewers be given the greatest possible freedom of choice of channels, services and distribution systems, which is to say the avoidance of a market made up of multiple, closed solutions which curtail viewers` freedom of choice, and affording television companies the possibility of direct contact with audiences, as the companies deem appropriate.
Although the Nordic countries are small markets by international standards taken individually, the Nordic region as a whole is fully comparable with the major European markets. A common or compatible system for digital television in the Nordic countries would be most advantageous with regard to the commercial exploitation of the potential inherent in new digital distribution systems and to the cost-efficiency of actors on the market.
The cooperative organization described herein is open to all major television companies and distributors who subscribe to its stated objectives.

Principal implementations of digital television in the Nordic countries today

Unofficially, two platforms are establishing de facto bridgeheads in the Nordic region, viz.:

Open-TV/Viaccess/Eurobox
This platform is being introduced by Telia and Tele Danmark for (initially) the CATV and SMATV markets.
MediaHighway/Conax
This platform is being established by Canal Digital Nordic for the DTH, CATV and SMATV markets. In the start-up phase, the system will combine a Nokia operative system and Conax.
These two platforms are scheduled to be introduced on the Nordic market in 1997/98, and in response to them tens of thousands of IRD units will have been put on the market before the proposed coordination can have any effect.
The three operators are of the opinion that since each has made such efforts to develop open systems, the platforms and their respective decoder units, already on their way to market, will in all likelihood be able to accommodate a common Nordic platform.

European specification work in the context of DigiTag and DVB Terrestrial transmission of digital television is scheduled to commence in Sweden and Finland during 1998. In this connection work toward specification of systems is being undertaken within DigiTag (Digital Terrestrial Television Action Group) and DVB; it is timed to coincide with the commencement of transmissions in the Nordic countries and Great Britain.
Three subsystems are crucial to compatibility with other platforms, viz.:
the decoder (IRD unit),
the conditional access system (a.k.a. CA-system),
and the application interface (API).
As for the specifications of the IRD units for the respective platforms, it should be pointed out that both take their point of departure in relevant DVB/MPEG recommendations. Eurobox is a CATV decoder which has the support of the following operators: Deutsche Telecom, France Telecom, Telia, Tele Danmark, Casema and Mediakabel. The Canal Digital platform is supported by Telenor and Canal Digital in the Nordic countries. Even if there are a number of differences between the specifications of the respective IRD units, similarities nonetheless predominate. In addition, it should be noted that the IRDs of both platforms feature a loader capability which makes it possible to change the software in the decoder.
The CA systems and APIs of the two platforms are different and incompatible. It should be noted, however, that both the CA-system and the API are among the software in the IRD which can be exchanged using the loader capability. This is an important prerequisite to compatibility.

As for compatibility between different broadcast technologies, the two above-mentioned platforms for cable and satellite distribution, respectively, were not conceived with a view to accommodating terrestrial distribution. Similarly, an IRD for cable may not be used in connection with DTH reception, and vice versa.

A strategy to achieve a common Nordic specification for digital television The starting point for the elaboraton of a plan toward a common Nordic specificaton for digital television is the situation described above. The proposal as to how present activities can be brought to converge in a common solution has the following five components:

a description of the objective
a description of the elements in the distribution system which must be adapted in order to attain the objective
a description of the present commitments of the concerned parties
a description of the organization which will bring us to our goal
a timetable for the work.
These five points are treated individually in the following:
1. Objective
The objective of a common Nordic specification is threefold:
Viewers shall be able to use the same IRD to receive programmes and other services from all sources that broadcast to the Nordic market.
this IRD equipment (regardless of kind) will be equipped to accommodate upgrading/adaption to other modes of transmission (e.g., a satellite-TV IRD should be adaptable to receive terrestrial television, CATV and telenet/ADSL-TV - and vice versa).
The Nordic IRD hardware shall be competitive in terms of price and performance with other IRD units which fill corresponding requirements.
2. Elements in the distribution system
The elements to be adapted in order to obtain convergence in a common solution are:
IRD hardware
the CA-system
API.
(a) IRD hardware
The basic hardware specification shall correspond with established international standards in the area (DVB/MPEG).
The options in the specification should be close to one or more of the major European specifications for open receivers in order to take advantage of economies of scale and thereby achieve the best possible cost/performance ratio.

The followng capabilities have been identified as crucial to the achievement of our overarching objective and represent essential aspects of the work ahead:

Common Interface, as recommended by DVB (to guarantee freedom of choice regarding CA/API, a longer lifetime for the box, and protection against piracy)
Transport port (to afford access to multiple distribution modes by means of auxiliary hardware)
Loader mechanism and Memory expansion option (or other solutions to permit upgrading).
(b) Conditional access systems (CA)
The optimal situation from the consumer`s point of view is to have access to all programme packages, regardless of distribution mode, from a single CA system.
Initially, however, there will be at least two different CA systems on the Nordic market, and a solution should be presented which guarantees the user of an IRD unit access to programming, regardless of CA system. Several possible solutions present themselves, e.g., simulcrypt/multiple encryption so that the box accommodates several cards.

The parties to this agreement pledge to strive to create a basis for commercial agreements between operators on the Nordic market to use CA technology which serves this objective. It is important that access to the system be open enough to satisfy competition safeguards and antitrust regulations.

The aim is to have designated the CA system for the Nordic countries by the end of 1998.

(c) API
The optimal situation from the consumer`s point of view is for all applications (EPG, PPV services, information services, transaction services, etc.) to be implemented on a single software platform. There appears to be a general move toward a common API, which might become a de facto or an actively agreed international standard for television services, as, for example, HTML is on Internet. Deliberations on this subject are currently under way within DVB. The parties to this agreement pledge to give priority to work toward a common API, and to the development of applications in it.
The aim is to have designated an API for the Nordic countries by the end of 1998.


3. Other obligations
The tele-distributors are prepared to enter negotiations with the television companies and others transmitting terrestrial digital signals regarding cooperation in matters relating to SMS and EPG.
The signatories pledge to use the specifications agreed by the organization in their dealings with suppliers of IRD units.


4. Organization
The work toward a common Nordic standard for digital television is to be organized as follows:

Board of Governors
The Governors are the CEOs of the collaborating organizations. The Board meets twice annually.
Additional meetings at the deputy level may be convened as deemed necessary. The Board of Governors is the highest decision-making body in the organization and sets out the guidelines for its work.

Until otherwise specified, the work of the organization takes its point of departure in the document agreed at the meeting in Odense, 5th November 1997.

The organization shall seek consensus in all decisions, as opposed to `majority rule`. The Board elects a Chairman who is responsible for the Board`s work. The Board reviews the organization`s annual report and accounts each year.

An Executive Committee having ten members reports to the Board. Half of the members are nominated by the tele-distributors acting in concert, and half by the television companies, also in concert.

Each member organization pays a once-and-for-all contribution of DKK 100,000. The combined revenue shall cover operating costs and special studies required in the course of the organization`s work. In time it may prove necessary to levy an annual fee to strengthen the organization`s financial base. In exceptional cases the Board may set lower fees for lesser operators.

Executive Committee
The Executive Committee is responsible for monitoring the progress of the work through continuous updates of agreed specifications for the common Nordic platform for digital television.
The Executive Committee elects a Chairman, who has operative responsibility for the work of the organization. On the mandate of the Board, the Executive Committee guides the planning and work of the organization. Once a year, the Committee submits an annual report, accounts, budget and plan of action to the Board of Governors. The Chairman of the Committee keeps the Governors abreast of the progress of the Committee and subcommittees.

The Executive Committee is empowered to appoint subcommittees to help it in its work. The Executive Committee may also engage personnel to conduct studies, etc., within the bounds of the plan of action and the budgetary framework laid down by the Board of Governors. An important aspect of the cooperation is the development of expertise within the participating organizations, as well.

Even now, subcommittees seem appropriate. A Technical Subcommittee shall monitor and contribute to international work on specifications in this area in fora like DVB, DAVIC and DigiTAG. The Technical Subcommittee shall elaborate Nordic specifications for the IRD box, a common CA system, and a common API. It will also be natural for the Technical Subcommittee to liaise with manufacturers of the IRD units and television receivers.

The second subcommittee which seems advisable to set up at the outset is one which will serve as a creative `think tank` for the development of applications, identify commercial opportunities, monitor developments in relevant organizations (e.g., negotiating bodies, production companies and consumer/user organizations), keep abreast of developments in commercial law and market regulation, nationally and within the EU, evaluate anti-piracy measures and liaise with institutions which are charged to combat piracy, and generally to contribute ideas and suggestions to the work of the organization.


5. Timetable
5th November 1997 Approval of the statement of objectives and plan for a Nordic digital television platform and creation of an organization, "Nordic Digital TV", toward that end.
15th November 1997 First Meeting of the Executive Committee.

1st December 1997 The Executive Committee appoints subcommittees, adopts the mandate for the work of the Committee, and drafts a plan of action.

1st February 1998 The Executive Committee considers the technical specification for an IRD unit for the 1998/99 season, based on the recommendations of the Technical Subcommittee.

1st April 1998 The Executive Committee reports to the Board of Governors, including progress made toward common CA and API.

1st November 1998 The Executive Committee considers the technical specification for an IRD unit for the 1999/00 season.

15th November 1998 Annual Meeting of the Board of Governors

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Interessant ist vielleicht der Timetable.Bin noch nicht lange genug in Meta.Gibt es vielleicht parallelen zu Auslandsaufenthalten des Vorstands!!???

In Odense war doch auch was,oder?

Ansonsten scheint es sich aber um "normale" receiver zu handeln, die Signale digital umwandeln,oder?
Also keine Metabox!!??

Z.

[900392]

Vor 6 Monaten wären deine Fragen begeistert aufgenommen worden, aber jetzt interessiert es niemand mehr.

[firstmillion]

vergiss die Fa.
bis die soweit alles geregelt bekommen haben, die chaoten, ist der markt bereits aufgeteilt, und die ertrinken in ihren schulden......
du wirst sehen...
firstmillion (exmetaboxler)

[2ids4me]

Also zum Thema Internordic fällt mir nur eins ein :

Abwarten und Tee trinken

In der Zwischenzeit schaut man zum Thema Internordic bei www.zonavi.com vorbei.
Dort schaut man sich den Link http://www.zonavi.com/about/index.html an und denkt sich seinen Teil dabei.

Es muss ja alles nichts zu sagen haben.

P.S. Jeder der sich hier Informationen über MBX holen will denkt nach 2 Minuten, das MBX eine Briefkastenfirma auf den Seychellen ist und die Kurse nur zum Abzocken der Anleger nach oben gepuscht werden sollen.

Wirklich sehr schade.

[Zaratustra]

Who is Zonavi?


Zonavi is committed to making TV-viewers iTV-users.
Our vision is to make TV-viewers iTV-users. Our goal is to put more control in the hands of the home user. We want to offer users entertainment, gaming, betting, shopping, banking - the possibilities are endless. Straight to the living room. At the touch of a button.

Zonavi is a new company established by Telenor and one of the first companies in the North that is dedicated to interactive TV services. The company will deliver TV-services through all of Telenor`s distribution networks, and through close co-operation with service providers offer content such as entertainment, goods and services.

Today`s TV-viewer will be tomorrows active iTV-users. With interactive TV the users will be able to compose their own interactive TV schedule as they will be offered home shopping, gaming, information and messaging services. The offering will grow continuously with increased access and demand.


Zonavi will primarily address itself towards the over 1,8 MILLION households in the North which already buy services through TELENOR`s different access networks including Canal Digital. Thus Zonavi can offer it`s partners an effective channel to the consumer and the competence to enable service providers to easily take part in the exciting developments of services for interactive TV.

Interactive TV (iTV) is a growth market that has already generated great public interest in Europe. By providing a platform for access and service providers in the Nordic region, Zonavi will take a leadership role in iTV`s dynamic, tech-savvy market.


1,8 Millionen Haushalte?Woher kenne ich die Zahl? Ich denke....
Und wieder Telenor!Siehe mein Posting oben.Kontaktmail von NorDig!



Z.

[Kimba-1]

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Fällt Euch etwas auf ?

Viele haben viele Infos, nur der Shareholder weiß nichts ? Aber, ob die vielen Infos mit der Realität übereinstimmen, wissen die vielen leider nicht.
Damit überzeugt man nicht die Finanzwelt. Das gehört in die Abteilung "Quiz".

Welcher Anleger soll investieren, wenn er erst Quizfragen beantworten oder ein halbes Jahr auf Spurensuche gehen soll wie weiland Sherlock Holmes ?

Was haben Investments mit Puzzles zu tun ?
Wenn Hildesheim das nicht bald kapiert, werden sie sich - günstigenfalls - als Abteilung eines Global Player wiederfinden. Günstigenfalls ....

.

[Manfred222]

@Kimba
Hat Hildesheim längst kapiert, aber kapier du endlich, dass sie nichts sagen können bzw. dürfen.

[Janphil]

@ Yok etc.

Nordig ist keine Konkurrenz zu Internordic, sondern eine in Skandinavien von zahlreichen Firmen schon frühzeitig ins Leben gerufene übergeordnete Organisation, die für alle Beteiligten Normen und Spezifikationen im Bereich DigitalTV und iTV entwickeln und festlegen soll.

Oliver H. ist da der Experte.

Gruß, JP

[Kimba-1]

@ Manfred 222

Würde mich freuen, wenn es so wäre (allein, mir fehlt der Glaube).

Viele Unternehmen sprechen nicht über ihre Geschäftspartner oder halten ihre Identität geheim. Ist nicht ungewöhnlich. Dafür gibt es oft triftige Gründe, die zu respektieren sind.

Ich bin nicht der Auffassung, daß Diskretion bereits zu Vertrauenseinbußen führt. Im Gegenteil. Hier liegt nicht das Problem.

Es gibt andere Möglichkeiten, Sachverhalte vertrauensstiftend zu kommunizieren, ohne indiskret zu werden.

Voraussetzung ist allerdings, daß die sonstigen Präsentationen an die Adresse der Shareholders tadellos bleiben. Womit wir wieder bei Plandaten, Prognosen und Terminen usw. sind.

Vertrauen ist nicht teilbar.
Kein Genasführter wird ausgerechnet das glauben, von dem gesagt wird, es unterläge der Diskretion. Wenn er mit dem Nachprüfbaren schon schlechte Erfahrungen machte.

Ist der Zusammenhang klar geworden ?

Mit Formalismus kommt MBX nicht weiter ... Wäre schön, wenn sie auch dies beherzigten.

cu

[Placido-Domingo]

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Die "Adresse der Shareholders"

nenne sie uns und wir setzen uns gemeinsam dafür ein, dort alles hinzusenden & zu prüfen...

Gruß pd

[Manfred222]

@Kimba und andere
Wo ist denn da eine Nasführung?
Ich sehe nur eine Verschiebung einer Auslieferung wegen eines zusätzlichen Kundenwunsches und eine daraus zwangsläufige Umsatzverschiebung.
Weiter sehe ich einen Rückzug von einem Miniauftrag (SA), um Schaden abzuwenden. Stattdessen hat man einen größeren Auftrag in Sicht.
Der Kursverfall ist meines Erachtens nicht auf Die MBX-Führung zurückzuführen, sondern auf die vielen Kleingeister und Schwarzmaler hier an Board und in den Medien. Man kann das gut in Times&Sales beobachten, dass es Kleinanleger sind, die sich in die Hose machen, wenn negative Signale von hier oder der Presse gemeldet werden.

[Kimba-1]

@ Placido

Ich sage es ja: Mit Formalismus kommt MBX nicht weiter:

"... dürfen nichts sagen ..." , "... haben keine Adresse der Shareholders ... " usw.

Wenn es so ist, gut. Dann rede ich mich nicht formalistisch raus, sondern suche nach Möglichkeiten, die Kuh vom Eis zu führen.

Ein kleines Brain-Storming in Hildesheim und die Probleme lösen sich in Luft auf.
Solange man lamentiert : "haben wir nicht", "dürfen wir nicht", wird es nichts.

Was sollen eigentlich Politiker sagen ? Die sind täglich im Geflecht widerstreitender Interessen und sollen konkrete Positionen beziehen.

Und MBX bekommt nicht mal seine eigene Imagegestaltung in den Griff.....

cu

[2ids4me]

@Manfred222

Genau da liegt der Hund begraben.

[Kimba-1]

@ Manfred 222

Einiges vergißt Du:

Die Planzahlen, die Prognosen, die Termine. Im Sommer: Jetzt können wir nicht handeln, jetzt ist Urlaub. In Skandinavien ist Urlaub. usw.... Die Aktionärsbriefe ...

Jede Nachricht für sich ist geschenkt, aber die Summe macht aus dem Benachrichtigten einen Genasführten. Leider.

Und das belastet jede weitere Verlautbarung. Unabhängig von ihrem Wahrheitsgehalt.

MBX muß aus dieser Logik raus. Da hilft ´kein Formalismus. Daß im Sommer Ferien sind, weiß auch dann jeder, wenn die Nachricht nicht aus Hildesheim kommt.

Kommt die Botschaft an ?

cu

[ZimtOchse]

Hallo, hätte da auch noch drei Fragen:

1. wieso ist der Umsatz in Frankfurt deutlich höher als beim Xetra?
2. wieso kommt der Kurs nicht in Gang, wo doch die Basketballgeschichte geklärt ist?
3. wer verkauft vor dem 13. und warum?

ciao ZO

PS: Fragen nicht zu ernst nehmen

[TT Invest]

irgendjemand hat heut morgen ca. 25000 Stck in Frankfurt
auf den Markt geworfen

1. Kurs 17555 zu 6 (obwohl bid bei 6,10 lag) außerdem ungewöhnlich hoher Umsatz zur Eröffnung in FRA
13. Kurs 10850 zu 5,65

[Placido-Domingo]

@ Kimba

offenbar gab es ein „kleines Brain-Storming in Hildesheim“ anders ist es mir nicht zu erklären, dass positives eintrat:

- UK Auftrag ( der größte & härteste Markt in EU ) bei BAWE vorgelegt ( ist doch eigentlich eine Demütigung = > Ich hätte Bilanzfehler ad hoc reingeknallt und per franz. GmbH, die AG von Panik-Deppen für 3 eur aufgekauft, aber wie findus1 sagt: „Sprücheklopfer aber i.G. eine ehrliche Haut“ )

- Präsentation Madrid & 13.12

- Interviewreihe mit JP : Einer der Fragen & Ängste kennt...

- Ich halte WS + IN nicht für tot

- Israel läuft nach plan. ish. Ein paar Wochen mehr oder weniger interessieren nur Kleingeister

- Bin relativ zuversichtlich, dass die Box hält was sie verspricht UND dass da noch mehr Braten im Ofen sind ( aber wieso Perlen nun vor ... Besser von 35 - > 55 )

..........

Aber nennen wir das Kind beim Namen:

WIR WOLLEN HÖHERE KURSE !

Pfeiff auf Box, IN usw.

Nur Kurse Kimba, kann man weder in Hildesheim noch in Stuttgart ( DX ) machen. Auch wenn sie noch so grotesk sind

Gruß pd

[Manfred222]

@Kimba
Vielleicht bin ich zu leichtgläubig, aber damals kam mir das alles gar nicht so schlimm vor. SD war in Kopenhagen und kam mit der Botschaft zurück, dass es wegen der Ferienstimmung in Skandinavien kein Weiterkommen gegeben habe, vielleicht waren einige Personen, die man benötigte nicht erreichbar. SD entschloss sich diese Flaute für eigene wohlverdiente Ferien zu nutzen. Erst danach kam die Nachricht der Verzögerung durch jenes "Bietergefecht", na und? Wenn da eine große Sache entsteht, soll es doch eine Weile dauern.