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      schrieb am 23.08.00 18:46:21
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      Bald schreibe ich ausführliche Analyse.

      Gold kaufen !

      Ich habe Euch gewarnt !
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      schrieb am 23.08.00 19:00:06
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      ringo war schon immer der dummie bei den beatles :):):)
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      schrieb am 23.08.00 19:02:33
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      Bald schreib ich an den lieben Gott, er möchte den Blitz in Richtung RStar lenken, damit er nicht immer wieder seinen Mist hier verbreiten kann ;)

      Ich habe Dich gewarnt!
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      schrieb am 24.08.00 10:11:04
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      So unrecht hat er nicht....

      Es durchaus ernstzunehmende Mahner, so zB folgendes:

      THE WORST IN HISTORY
      (1929-30 vs. 1999-00)

      by Dr. Kurt Richebacher

      The economic contraction that started in 1929 was the worst in history. Given the scale and importance of this event, it is
      remarkable how little is generally known about both its course and its causes. Most probably, this largely has to do with
      the predominant conviction that the central banks and governments of today possess the superior wisdom and the better
      instruments to keep everything under control. Why bother about foolishness in history?

      In principle, there are two diametrically opposite explanations of the unusual severity of the Great Depression of the
      1930s. One strongly associated with the leading economists of the Austrian School (Mises, Hayek) regards the
      Depression as the unavoidable, disastrous end of the unsustainable, structural maladjustments which the monetary and
      financial excesses had inflicted between 1927-29 on the economy and the financial system. In this view, the severity of
      any depression is largely predetermined by the magnitude of the economic and financial maladjustments that have
      accumulated during the preceding boom.

      This view about the ultimate cause of the Great Depression predominated among economists around the world until the
      early 1960s. But one book, appearing in 1963, radically changed that view, at least among American economists. It was
      Friedman`s and Schwartz`s classic, Monetary History of the United States. This book categorically postulated that there
      had been neither inflation nor any money or credit excesses in the 1920s that could have caused the economy`s collapse
      between 1929 and 1933. From this followed the conclusion that the Great Depression essentially had its crucial cause in
      policy faults that were made during these years.

      To quote a decisive passage from the book, "The monetary collapse from 1929 to 1933 was not an inevitable
      consequence of what had gone before. It was the result of the policies followed during those years. As already noted,
      alternative policies that could have halted the monetary debacle were available throughout those years. Though the
      Reserve System proclaimed that it was following an easy-money policy, in fact it followed an exceedingly tight policy."

      For American economists, the views expressed in this book on the role of monetary policy in precipitating the depression
      have become standard history and the standard explanation of the Great Depression. One important, inherent conclusion
      of this monetarist approach for the future was the comforting message that sufficient monetary easing is enough to
      prevent a serious recession after a boom. This is, for sure, one assumption of central importance behind the currently
      prevailing bullishness about the U.S. economy.

      Considering the still-booming economy and the reigning optimism about the economic outlook, the Federal Reserve
      responded in October-November 1929 with admirable promptness to the crash. On Nov. 1, when the selling panic was
      barely one week old, the Fed slashed the discount rate to 5% and a fortnight later to 4.5%. On Oct. 25, one day after
      Black Thursday, it had instantly reduced its buying rate on acceptances from 5 3/8% to 5%. This was followed by a
      rapid sequence of further cuts to 4% on Nov. 21. Yet the economy collapsed across the board with unprecedented and
      unbelievable rapidity like a house of cards.

      THE ROLE OF THE CRASH

      We have always favored the explanation of the Great Depression tendered by Austrian theory. Of the various
      considerations speaking in its favor, one appears to us compelling, and that is the extraordinary speed and breadth of the
      economy`s plunge. Consider that real GDP fell in 1930 abruptly by 9%. Such a virtual collapse can only happen to an
      economy that is badly out of balance and therefore highly vulnerable. The big contraction in the money supply by 42% to
      which Milton Friedman attributed the Depression only started in late 1930, not in precedence but in coincidence with the
      economic collapse. The one big event that had preceded the economic collapse was the start of the stock market crash.

      Yet the role of the crash in precipitating the economic and financial disaster is highly controversial among American
      economists. It is estimated that the stock market crash involved a wealth destruction of about $85 billion in total. Capital
      losses in the first wave of the crash in late October and early November 1929 amounted to about $25 billion. This
      compares with a decline in the stock of broad money between late 1930 and end-1933 by $13 billion. But for Milton
      Friedman, the money supply`s shrinkage was the one and only decisive mechanism that drove the economy into the
      protracted, deep depression. And what`s more, this monetary shrinkage in his view had no other cause than coincident,
      bad policies of the Fed.

      We would never dispute the decisive importance of the following, drastic monetary contraction during those years, but it
      grossly defies any logic to discard the prior, rapid and huge wealth destruction through the stock market as almost a
      non-event. In the logic of the Austrian theory, the booming stock market had operated to prolong the boom by unduly
      boosting wealth-related consumer spending. As soon as stock prices collapsed, this artificial element in consumer
      spending evaporated with a prompt and, heavily negative effect on economic growth in 1930.

      In reality, personal wealth is not the only victim of such a crash. Overall liquidity is the other victim. It is a gross mistake
      to measure liquidity only by changes in the money stock. Far more important is the liquidity of assets, financial assets
      above all, in the markets. In times of loose money, low interest rates and booming markets, corporations, financial
      institutions and consumers tend to reduce their cash balances in favor of financial assets, regarding them under given
      bullish market conditions as highly liquid assets.

      As long as the stock market kept booming, the vast stock holdings represented, indeed, highly liquid assets for their
      owners. But the plunging stock prices transformed these huge stock holdings abruptly into illiquid assets which could only
      be liquidated at a heavy loss. Considering the amount involved in this wealth and liquidity destruction, we don`t have the
      slightest doubt that the stock market crash was the most important, immediate cause of the ensuing depression. The
      pattern of the depression might well have been radically different from what happened had it not been preceded by the
      stock market catastrophe. But this implies, indeed, that the Great Depression primarily originated in the excesses of the
      preceding boom.

      DISPUTED CAUSE

      With these questions and aspects in mind, we have drawn a comparison between events and excesses in the late 1920s
      and in the late 1990s. How do the monetary and credit excesses in the two periods compare in kind and scale?

      Before we come to the tremendous differences, first an important common feature: In both periods, credit creation took
      place overwhelmingly outside the banking system - that is, through the securities markets and the money markets. Also
      common to both periods is the complete absence of Federal government borrowing. All the borrowing and lending that
      took place was on account of the private sector, businesses and consumers.

      Next, we have to point out that credit is the most neglected aggregate in American history books about the 1920s. In their
      voluminous Monetary History of the United States, Friedman-Schwartz don`t bring one single figure about credit growth,
      but instead pages and pages of detailed figures about money growth from month to month. They don`t even mention the
      ill-reputed brokers` loans for stock speculation, totaling $8.5 billion at their peak in September 1929. Consumer borrowing
      in the form of installment loans played a great role in fueling the consumer spending boom in the 1920`s, but statistics
      about their extent and source of finance are non-existent.

      As explained in past letters, one critical measure of credit "excess" is growth of credit relative to the simultaneous nominal
      GDP growth as the statistical denominator of growth in economic activity. During the four years from end-1925 to
      end-1929, U.S. GDP grew by $13.9 billion, or 15.3%, from $90.5 billion to $104.4 billion.

      Over this same period of four years, corporations issued securities for $27.4 billion, of which more than $10 billion was
      equity. Total bank loans increased by about $8 billion during these years, mostly for mortgage lending. Further
      considerable lending took place through institutions outside of the banking system, chiefly savings banks and building and
      loan associations. However, no statistics are available. The habit of America economists to focus exclusively on the
      money supply and to ignore credit has a long tradition.

      Yet despite the lack of comprehensive statistics, the available evidence leaves no doubt that there was rampant credit
      creation. This recognition is very important because, in striking contrast, the money supply grew only modestly. Between
      1925-1929, broad money grew by no more than 10%, from $50 billion to $55.5 billion. Demand deposits at banks in late
      1929, at $22 billion were no higher than in late 1925. But this weakness in money growth, as already mentioned, had its
      cause by no means in lacking credit expansion but in the fact that credit creation occurred overwhelmingly through the
      securities and money markets, essentially involving no money creation. Stock prices, at any rate, more than tripled, and
      the total value of all shares listed on the New York Stock Exchange soared from $27 billion in 1925 to $89 billion at their
      peak in early September 1929.

      THE BANKS FLOOD THE MARKETS

      This brings us to one of the most important and most striking differences between the boom of the 1920s and that of the
      1990s. It concerns the financial strategy of corporations. At the time, corporations took full advantage of the abundant
      availability of cheap capital and issued bonds and stocks vastly in excess of their investment needs. In 1929, almost 70%
      of total corporate issues in securities were in stocks. To quote Schumpeter on this point: American corporations
      "eventually entered the Great Depression with a financial outfit which was nothing short of luxurious." Many of them
      could finance their investments for years to come with the funds they had raised during the speculative mania of
      1928-29.

      What did the corporations do with their surplus cash? Well, they did put it straight back into the stock market, but
      through a different channel. Instead of buying stocks for their own account, they lent these funds in large part as call
      loans at 10% and more to brokers, who financed soaring margin loans for the stock speculation of their clients. In the last
      12 months before the crash, brokers` loans increased by 50%.

      However, this over-liquidity of corporations amassed from the heavy issuance of securities had further monetary
      implications. For the banks it entailed the loss of their traditional chief borrowers. As the lending to corporations came to
      a complete stop, the banks had to look for alternative sources of revenue. After all, they embarked aggressively on two
      new outlets: investments in corporate bonds - and stocks through affiliates – and security loans, that is, loans to buyers of
      stocks and bonds against bonds and stock collateral. In the last analysis, it was the banking system that fueled the boom
      in the bond and the stock market, partly though purchases for their own account, partly through loans to other buyers of
      stocks and bonds.

      To cite from a contemporary report by the League of Nations about this development: "The credit expansion after 1927
      in the United States went largely to the financing of speculation. According to available statistics, no less than 86% of the
      total increase in bank credit was used for that purpose. Thus was laid the foundation for the stock-exchange boom which
      followed."

      EXCESSES COMPARED

      Now to the present, with the postulate of the Austrian theory in mind that every economic and financial bust is in large
      part a function of the scale of excesses in the preceding boom. The gauges to look at are self-evident: first, stock
      valuations; second, money and credit expansion; and third, economic fundamentals.

      As to valuations, the collapse of the stock market started in early September 1929 with the price-to-earnings ratio at a
      level of 13.5, after a high point of 16.2 in January. In comparison with a traditional 10 to one ratio, these valuation levels
      unusually high looked at the time. Measured against the ratios of today - around 29 for the S&P 500 index, around 35 for
      the S&P Industrial Index and more than 200 times earnings for the Nasdaq - those of the late 1920s appear almost
      insignificant. To mention another measure: Before the 1929 crash, the total capitalization of listed stocks tallied with
      about 100% of GDP. This time, it has been almost 200%. In short, present stock valuations vastly exceed those in the
      late 1920s.

      Next: underlying money and credit expansion. How do they compare for the two periods? As already mentioned, money
      in its broadest measure increased during the four years between end-1925 and end-1929 by 10% while narrow money
      (Ml) stagnated. For comparison: During the four years from end-1995 to end-1999, broad money (M3) has grown by a
      stunning 41 %, or more than twice the simultaneous GDP growth.

      If money growth has been record-breaking, it is wildly outdone by credit growth, which, like in the 1920s, is
      overwhelmingly taking place outside of the banking system. Mr. Greenspan has presided over a credit explosion that
      simply defies reason and comprehension. Looking exclusively at the inflation rate, he readily sanctioned a free-for-all in
      credit creation. In 1995, total financial and non-financial credit had expanded by a little more than $1 trillion. After a rise
      to $1.4 trillion in 1997, credit flows abruptly swelled to more than $2.1 trillion in 1998 and further to $2.25 trillion in
      1999. In comparison to GDP growth of $459 billion in 1998 and of $500 in 1999, credit creation has been truly running
      amuck.

      THE GREAT DIFFERENCE: CORPORATE FINANCE

      Yet there is still another critical and dramatic difference between the two periods to be noted. It concerns corporate
      finance. In the late 1920s, as already expounded, American corporations frantically bolstered their liquidity by issuing
      equity vastly in excess of their financial needs for investment spending. In the past years, American corporations have
      pursued the diametrically opposite policy. They frantically depleted their liquidity and embarked on an unprecedented
      borrowing binge to finance acquisitions and repurchases of their own stocks. For the S&P 500 companies, for example,
      the debt-to-equity ratio has shot up over the last 10 years from 84 to 116.

      For sure, a fascinating difference. But why? Of the two patterns, the one of the 1920s hardly needs explanation.
      Bolstering liquidity in times when booming markets offer cheap capital for the long haul, is just traditional corporate
      financial strategy. Yet the massive issuance of new stock may well have played an important role in breaking the boom in
      1929.

      The puzzling part is what has been happening in the late 1990s. Even though high tech companies are heavily tapping the
      stock market with IPOs, the corporate sector, as a whole is the big net buyer in the stock market on account of soaring
      acquisitions and stock buybacks.

      Purchasing shares with record-low dividend yields around 1% at sky-high prices above book value with borrowed money
      that costs at least 6-7% is clearly at odds not only with corporate tradition but also with a reasonable profit calculation. In
      short, it`s a folly. But the widespread adherence to this folly suggests a general compelling reason which is, indeed, easy
      to identify: unprecedented obsession with short range maximization of shareholder value.

      Plainly, under this imperative corporate governance philosophy has radically changed in the United States. But for the
      better or for the worse? The bullish consensus view claims dramatic improvements in corporate efficiency and takes it for
      granted that this change - in conjunction with the new technology – is essentially at the heart of the U.S. economy`s
      astonishing, recent growth performance.

      Yes, corporate strategy and policy in the new market climate have in many ways radically changed. In their frenzied
      endeavor to increase shareholder value, corporate managers resorted mainly to two devices. Reckless financial leveraging
      and a cost-cutting mania. Financial leveraging implies to run down cash balances and to substitute debt for equity. The
      emphasis on cost-cutting as a means to raise profits and share prices has implicitly fostered mergers and acquisitions in
      preference to new capital investment. Under this new American capitalism, buying existing capacity has precedence over
      creating new capacity, while paper wealth creation through booming stock prices has precedence over wealth creation
      through real capital investment. And the use and allocation of real resources has led to a major shift in the composition of
      GDP towards private consumption, rising to its largest ever share in current GDP growth.

      NEW PARADIGM OR BUBBLE?

      What are we really looking at in the United States? A supply-driven new paradigm economy or history`s greatest financial
      bubble masking the economy`s bad fundamentals? Comparing present economic and financial conditions with those in the
      late 1920s is a shocking exercise. Consider that the U.S. economy in the 1920s had zero inflation for years, owing to high
      productivity growth. It had a persistent surplus in savings and in foreign trade, and it had strong profit growth in 1928-29.
      Not to forget moreover the opulent cushions of liquidity that the corporations had accumulated through stock issuance
      while the stock market was booming. Is this unprecedented prosperity or unprecedented illusion?

      And how do these economic and financial fundamentals look today? In short, they make miserable reading in every single
      respect. All of them are negative. What`s more, negative in the extreme. Despite substantial statistical manipulations the
      U.S. inflation rate is above 3%, the highest rate among industrial countries. America has the lowest domestic savings of
      all time and the biggest trade deficit of all time. On top of being a low-saving, low investment economy, America is now a
      capital-consuming country, reflected in the fact that the current rise in foreign indebtedness exceeds net domestic
      investment.

      Ominously, corporate profits, as measured by the official income statistics, have been virtually flat for more than two
      years, even though the economy has been booming at record growth rates. The stampede of both corporations and
      private households out of liquidity and into debt during recent years is without precedent.

      First question: Is the incredible stock market boom a reflection of real value created in the economy, or is it a purely
      credit-driven paper bubble? Second question: What are the chances that the Fed will be able to prevent a devastating
      crash of the stock market and engineer a soft landing of the economy?

      Our preliminary answer: The accumulated financial excesses and economic imbalances are far too big for such a happy
      end to be possible. Their huge scale essentially implies a disastrous bust. Under the influence of the monetarists, most
      American economists hold the view that it lies in the hands of a central bank to prevent any such bust from happening by
      simply "printing money." But by focusing narrowly on the banking system and the money supply, they overlook two
      snags. One is the monstrous scale of credit creation to which the U.S. economy and its financial system have become
      addicted to in the last years, and other one is the channel of this credit creation. Just as in the 1920s, it is overwhelmingly
      taking place outside of the banking system, through the financial markets Essentially, any disruption in these financial
      flows has the very same adverse effect on economic activity as a disruption in bank lending, irrespective of what is
      happening to the money supply. The usual pattern and early indicators of such disruptions are declining asset prices and
      widening interest rate spreads between papers of different quality. Considering the vast sums involved in the markets, it
      should be clear that the biggest danger to the U.S. economy looms in the financial markets, including the currency market
      and the derivatives markets.


      May 10, 2000

      Dr Kurt Richebacher, a former central banker, is the world`s preeminent living Austrian Economist. For more information
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      Also immer schön wachsam bleiben!

      mfG
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      schrieb am 24.08.00 15:09:54
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      Hallo RStarr,

      hier im Board bist Du falsch !!! Wenn man einen Zusammenbruch bemerkt, ruft man den Notarzt an, oder waren ds. Deine letzten
      Zeilen ? Schade, dann kannst Du dies ja nicht mehr lesen ?!!

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      schrieb am 24.08.00 15:21:54
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      Die Crashpropheten hat`s immer schon gegeben. Der Goldstandart ist (gottseidank) abgeschafft und die Zentralbanken können den Preis nach Belieben steuern.
      Meinetwegen leg dir (physisch) ein paar Golddukaten in den Kellersave, aber pass auf, dass die Mäuse dir die nicht anknabbern.:D
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      schrieb am 25.08.00 07:46:53
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      Jaja, vor 20 Jahren in Gold investiert = Minusrendite... Und das trotz einiger "Crash`s" in der Zwischenzeit am Aktienmarkt in der Zeit.
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      schrieb am 25.08.00 10:01:56
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      @django

      Hi,

      und danke für diesen Artikel. Die Problematik des an der Geldpolitik vorbei kreditfinanzierten US-Konsums beschäftigt mich seit einiger Zeit.
      Nicht weil ich zu den Crashgeilen gehöre sondern weil ich einen überproportionalen Depotanteil in US-Techs habe.

      Ich will mich trotz bestens laufender Kurse dazu zwingen, meine Zeit nicht nur in das Aufspüren neuer `Goldgruben` zu investieren,
      sondern auch das ökonomische Fundament besser zu verstehen.

      Lieber als eine Rally wäre mir momentan jedenfalls eine längere Konsolidierung, quasi eine soft landing der NASDAQ-gespeisten Kreditblase.
      Ich würde mich über Beiträge von Leuten freuen, die mehr als ich davon verstehen. Aber vielleicht ist das hier nicht der richtige Platz.

      Gold kauf` ich jedenfalls keines.

      Ciao,

      Proust
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      schrieb am 25.08.00 12:32:21
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      Mensch, Ringo, verpfeif Dich doch endlich mit Deiner ewigen Panikmache!
      Wir wollen Deinen Mist hier nicht mehr lesen!!!
      :mad:
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      schrieb am 25.08.00 12:32:21
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      Mensch, Ringo, verpfeif Dich doch endlich mit Deiner ewigen Panikmache!
      Wir wollen Deinen Mist hier nicht mehr lesen!!!
      :mad:
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      schrieb am 26.08.00 04:23:41
      Beitrag Nr. 11 ()
      Laß ihn doch schreiben. Jeder hat doch ein Recht auf freie Meinungsäußerung.

      Anstatt Dich drüber zu ärgern, amüsier Dich doch drüber... Immer vorausgesetzt, daß seine Prophezeiungen nicht doch eintreffen, denn dann vergeht uns natürlich das Lachen. ;-)


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