Deutsche Bank verwaltet über 300 Milionen für Bin Laden Klan - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[taccer]

Die Deutsche Bank hat den Ermittlungsbehörden Auskunft über Konten der Familie Osama bin Ladens gegeben. Ein Sprecher der Bank bestätigte am Samstag einen entsprechenden Bericht des Nachrichtenmagazins "Der Spiegel".

Zu Einzelheiten wollte der Sprecher keine Stellung nehmen. Die Deutsche Bank habe jahrelang eine dubiose Kundenbeziehung zur Familie des Terroristen Bin Laden unterhalten, berichtete das Magazin vorab. Entsprechende Konto-Informationen habe die Bank den Behörden erst nach den Terror-Anschlägen weitergeleitet.

Die Bank sei an einer Firma beteiligt, die ein Halbbruder Osama bin Ladens, Hassan bin Laden, führe. Das Unternehmen mit dem Namen Safron Partners sei Teil eines Firmengeflechts auf den Cayman-Inseln mit verschachtelten Besitzverhältnissen, hieß es weiter.

Die Deutsche Bank habe für die Familie bin Laden ein Vermögen von insgesamt 314 Mio. Mark verwaltet, so der "Spiegel".

Unterdessen sprach sich Bundeswirtschaftsminister Werner Müller in einem Zeitungs- Interview für eine Aufhebung des Bankgeheimnisses aus. Bei Fragen der inneren Sicherheit, des Steuerbetrugs und oder der Strafverfolgung könnten Datenschutz und Bankgeheimnis tiefer gehängt werden, so Müller gegenüber der "Welt am Sonntag".

Man werde den Finanzinstituten aber nicht erlauben, Adressen oder Kontobewegungen weiter zu geben, betonte Müller weiter. Bundeskanzler Schröder und Politiker der rot-grünen Koalition hatten auf einer Haushaltsdebatte am Donnerstag das jahrelang geschützte steuerliche Bankgeheimnis in Frage gestellt


da fällt mir eigentlich nichts mehr zu ein, außer das es
ins gesamte bild der bank paßt

[Lola36]

Morgen taccer,

ich finde es auch pervers,aber wie heißt es so schön

Geld stinkt nicht.

[Dako]

Der Fairneß halber muß man in diesem Zusammenhang sagen, daß die Familie bin Laden eine steinreiche und ehrbare saudische Familie ist.Im Zuge des Ölbooms haben die ein Vermögen mit Bauunternehmen gemacht.
Osama ist sozusagen das schwarze Schaf der Familie. Ich glaube ich habe irgendwo mal gelesen, daß sein Vater ihn offiziell verstoßen und enterbt hat. Sicher bin ich mir aber nicht. Und selbst wenn, weiß man natürlich nicht welche Beziehungen irgendwelche Brüder, Onkels oder Halbbrüder doch noch zu ihm unterhalten.

Fest steht aber auch, daß nicht jedes Konto, wo bin Laden drauf steht, etwas mit Terrorismus zu tun hat. Die Sippenhaft wurde mit dem Ende des "tausendjährigen Reiches" abgeschafft! Und fest steht auch, daß diese Familie wahrscheinlich mit fast jeder Großbank dieser Welt irgendwelche Geschäftsbeziehungen hat.

Dako

[Sprosse]

Die Dt.Bank ist einer der großen Paten der Kapital-
marktmafia.
Hat das keiner in seinem Depot gemerkt,die Dt.Bank
aggresivster Leerverkäufer bei Dax Werten.
Unsere Eltern haben sie mit mickrigen Zinsen betrogen,
und die Generation der Erben am Aktienmarkt.

[WonderbraBernd]

yup, Dako, i.M. wird aber gern schnell geschossen und hinterher geschaut, wer liegen blieb...

[taccer]

günther ogger hat da diese woche auch so seinen senf
zum thema db gegeben, o wie wahr

[oktopodius]

Ist doch nichts neues,die kriminelle sippschaft aus Banken,
Wirtschaft,Politik haben das rechtswesen für Sich so
gestaltet dass bei Betrug,Unterschlagung,Bestechung unsw.
nur minimale strafen fällig werden.Wie bei angetrebten
führungspositionen üblich, fühlt sich ein grossteil aufgrund
ihrer fähigkeiten unterbezahlt,verdienen im rudel doch einige
erheblich mehr.Man vergleiche mal gerichtsurteile und deren
höhe gegen diese kaste und der normal sterblichen,so lassen
sich immer so viele strafminderungen finden,das aufgrund der
gehobenen position, eine art geistiger aussetzung angenommen
werden kann.Je höher der schaden um so kleiner die strafe.

[Skydiver-]

WALL STREET JOURNAL: BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP

FAMILY HAD RENOUNCED TIES TO TERRORIST SON BUT FAMILY STILL UNDER FBI INVESTIGATION

FATHER OF PRESIDENT SHOULD PULL OUT OF INTERNATIONAL CONSULTING FIRM


(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest law firm that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, reacted with disbelief to The Wall Street Journal report of yesterday that George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice. (Other top Republicans are also associated with the Carlyle group, such as former Secretary of State James A. Baker.) The terrorist leader Osama bin Laden had supposedly been “disowned” by his family, which runs a multi-billion dollar business in Saudi Arabia and is a major investor in the senior Bush’s firm. Other reports have questioned, though, whether members of his Saudi family have truly cut off Osama bin Laden. Indeed, the Journal also reported yesterday that the FBI has subpoenaed the bin Laden family business’s bank records.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=1624

September 27, 2001

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Special Report: Aftermath of Terror
Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump
In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank
By DANIEL GOLDEN, JAMES BANDLER and MARCUS WALKER
Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL


If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden`s alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden`s family.

Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former President Bush, ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family`s headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group`s chairman.

Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden, who built the family`s $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from his father in cash and stock, although he doesn`t have access to the shares, a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman added.

The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, headed by Osama`s half-brother Bakr, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops.

But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person familiar with the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren`t an indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family welcomes them and has nothing to hide.

People familiar with the family`s finances say the bin Ladens do much of their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN Amro, the people said.

"If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its presence in Saudi Arabia, it`s the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden family. "They`re the establishment that Osama`s trying to overthrow."

Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, says he has spoken to two of Osama`s brothers since hijacked airplanes rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its longstanding friendship with the U.S.

A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family`s overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It`s like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation`s changed now," he said. "I don`t want to spend my life talking to reporters."

A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president`s subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He`s met them twice."

Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures.

Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama`s brothers early in 2000 on a fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that Osama was completely removed from the family. After Mr. Carter and his wife followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September 2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don`t have any reason to think there`s a connection" between Osama and the rest of the family, Mr. Hardman says.

During the past several years, the family`s close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors."

Mr. Weinberger said no trips to Saudi Arabia were planned. "If we went," he said, "we may or may not call upon them. I don`t think the sins of the son should be visited on the father or the brother and the cousins and the aunts."

There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for Osama`s older brother, Salem bin Laden, from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals to Salem bin Laden, an ebullient man who headed the family construction business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings with Mr. bin Laden.

Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath`s recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden`s hope that it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the market.

Write to Daniel Golden at [e-mail], James Bandler at [e-mail] and Marcus Walker at [e-mail]

http://interactive.wsj.com/archive/[e-mail]?broker/tex…

[watto]

angeblich können islamische familien nicht so einfach jemanden verstoßen, es sei denn
er schwört dem islam ab und das hat er wohl nicht gemacht

[Skydiver-]

Nachrichtendienstangehörigen zufolge ist Bin Laden bekannt, dass die Vereinigten Staaten seine internationalen Kommunikationen belauschen können, doch dies scheint ihm nichts auszumachen. Um Besucher zu beeindrucken, denen die notwendigen Informationen zugänglich gemacht werden dürfen, spielen ihnen NSA-Analytiker gelegentlich Tonbänder vor, auf denen Bin Laden zu hören ist, wie er sich über eine INMARSAT-Verbindung mit seiner Mutter unterhält.

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/politik/0,1518,130372,00.html