337,10 USD die Unze umm 19.30 Uhr!!!!!!! - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[goldenbear2]

Wow!

[goldenbear2]

Die Umkehr des Manipulationsmusters der letzten Jahre ist ein Augenschmaus.
Plötzlich wird in den letzten Handelsminuten in NY nicht mehr draufgedroschen, sondern gekauft, was das Zeug hält.
Nett anzusehen!
Und das schönste: Das wird mit nur geringen Rückschlägen über Jahre so weitergehen.
Bis wann?
Bis Januar 2010 !
Warum ?
Ganz simpel:
Jan. 1980 all time high Gold / Silber
Jan. 1990 all time high Nikkei
Jan. 2000 all time high Dow Jones Industrials
Jan. 2010 ... Gold / Silber (Gold mindestens vierstellig, Silber garantiert dreistellig, logo!)

[keepitshort]

das tolle bei der Sache

der Goldpreis ist gestiegen obwohl der Nasdaq100
heute ca. 2,0% im Plus war


sonst stieg der Goldpreis ja immer nur wenn der
Nasdaq100 stark gesunken ist ca. minus -1,5%

der Goldpreis zeigt diesmal Stärke bei einem
steigenden Rohölpreis
und einer steigenden Nasdaq100 von ca. puls 2,0%

[DBrix]

[goldenbear2]

Ja!
Aber der Grund ist auch klar:
Die FED hat kürzlich klar gemacht, dass sie auf Teufel komm´ raus inflationieren werde.
Die japanische Notenbank hat Pleite-Banken schon für Milliardenbeträge Aktienpakete abgekauft.
Und in Ami-Land wird das in etwas smarterer, sprich verdeckterer Form auch gemacht.
Ist zwar nur ein Potemkinsches Dorf-Szenario.
Aber sollen sie doch den Drecks-Dau wieder auf 10.000 hieven.
Dann schließt sich die Lücke mit DJ : Feinunze Gold = 1:1 wie schon zwei Mal in den letzten 100 Jahren eben bei 10.000 USD /Unze.
Soll mir recht sein

[ThaiGuru]

@goldenbear2

Wenn es nach einer Studie von "Rio Tinto" gehen würde, müsste eigentlich der Goldpreis inflationsbereinigt seit dem 17. Jahrhundert, heute bei 25000.- Dollar pro Unze stehen!

Bericht und Link dazu, fals gewünscht, gibts per Boardmail

Gruss

ThaiGuru

[goldenbear2]

Hi Thai!
Ja, wäre schon gewünscht!

Und das schreibt Mr. Sinclair:


===========================================================================
Re: Chairman`s Corner - Monday, December 16, 2002
Dear Friends of Tan Range; Mr. Sinclair has co-authored an important
article on gold (see below):
===========================================================================
What Have You Done for Gold?

Are You Tired of The Gold Grinches` Manipulation?

Are You Tired of Them Stealing Your Profits?

Here`s Your Chance to Fight Back!

by

James Sinclair, CEO & Chairman, Tan Range Exploration
Bill Murphy, Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee
Harry Schultz, The International Harry Schultz Letter

December 16th, 2002


The gold futures trading action seen in December 2002 is a perfect example
of the machinations of the Exchange Stabilization Fund, The Gold Cartel and
the common interest trading of the Gold Carry Trade. Aren`t you just fed up
with "The Bullies" manipulating your gains away? You complain, lament, and
write letters to us in the hope that we can do something to protect you
from these manipulators who daily offend the positive gold interest. We
can. Read on.

Gold traded above $336 early in the US this morning, Friday December 13,
2002, when, of course, the Blue Coat Cavalry rode in on their shiny horses.
Blam! - Slam! - Wham! was the sound of their selling. Selling that seeks to
move volume is real selling that never announces its presence. This
Blam-Slam-Wham type of selling has only one purpose. That purpose is to
sell the least amount of gold with the most negative price impact on the
gold market.

The Gold Community, of course, chokes at the sight of the Blue Coats
coming. Away the gold community runs like the Knights of Ni in the Monty
Python movie, Monty Python & the Holy Grail. Run Away - Run Away" is the
cry of "Our Crowd." "Sell-Sell!" is their lament and they are chased back
toward $330 by the smallest amount of gold being sold to make the biggest
impact on the community that cries "Foul-Foul-Foul," yet does absolutely
nothing about it, with the exception of the Gold Anti-Trust Action
Committee (GATA).

GATA has mobilized the gold community-at-large for one of the most serious
offensives in the history of gold. With their BIS/Fed suit, they took on
the establishment elite in an effort to make the fact of manipulation known
to the public. What do they receive for their efforts? - The mainline press
has ignored it, and from within the gold community a competing
metals/mining site gleefully calls them, "Trailer Trash."

THE TIME HAS COME TO ACT!

The time has come for the gold community to shake off the non-gold yellows.
The time has come to say NO to manipulators!
The time has come to free the gold market from manipulators!

The Time has Come for You to Stand up.
(But not be known or counted)


Buying of gold shares or options or futures does nothing for gold bullion
or the gold price. Buying of gold coins does very little other than
re-circulate the storehouse of already-minted gold coins. Writing about
gold informs, but does little for the gold price. Complaining about
manipulators` presence in the gold market on a daily basis does as much as
screaming at the dark, because it lacks action.

The time has come for you to stop the manipulators dead in their tracks. It
is quite simple, but falls primarily to those who can afford it, but the
cost is not large.

Every gold trader who has invested in the gold market should act to help
gold by ridding the paper gold market of the manipulative presence. Here is
how you, acting alone and by your own direction and decision, can turn the
tide against the illegal co-conspirators who are depressing the price of
gold on a daily basis in hopes of breaking the back of the gold market. If
any entity had acted with similar tactics in the equities markets or an
index, creating a pattern of constant bearish intervention while holding
short positions that benefited them, we believe they would be facing
regulators for violating administrative law for having acting in concert to
manipulate markets for personal benefit.

WE HAVE THE MEANS TO COUNTERATTACK

The Asymmetrical Tactic
The means to rid the marketplace of these manipulators is to use one of
their own tools.
It is a known fact that 95% of the manipulation of the gold market is
accomplished in the paper gold market of the COMEX

The Defense
We therefore propose the following individual action. Those in the
International and US Gold Investment Community, who are financially able,
would purchase one COMEX gold contract and take delivery of that contract.
By taking delivery of the actual bullion gold in an individual, orderly,
constant and therefore non-distruptive manner the COMEX will be
transformed. Over time, this individual, orderly, non-distruptive action
upon the Comex gold futures market will accomplish several goals.

1. Physical (rather than paper) ownership would move the COMEX towards
becoming as much a cash and paper gold market in reality not just as a
contract potential.

2. It would serve to improve the viability of the COMEX marketplace

3. This action would make it infinitely more costly and difficult for the
obvious execution of orders to effect price as a primary goal.

4. It would alter the COMEX`s present purpose for being.

5. It would put pressure on the mechanism for those that wish more to
affect price than execute legitimate buy and sell interest depend on.


It is a sad fact that the Comex gold exchange is, in our opinion, not a
free market, but the world`s forum to manipulate the international cash
gold price via paper gold to the clear detriment of every gold investor
internationally.


The Result or Call to Action
For those who believe in gold`s discipline and have invested in it or
gold-related investments, buy 1 Comex gold contract and take delivery. You
then have done something very important for gold because you are buying
gold bullion and not simply playing a paper game called gold that settles
in cash. One COMEX gold future contract represents 100 ounces of gold and
is valued presently at US $33,250 at delivery.



THE REWARDS OF ACTION

We propose Gold Members (Associated not with each other but with the
discipline of gold) who agree to participate in this movement toward
returning gold to the heart of the monetary system with backing for
currencies, must now act to establish the US gold market as a level playing
field for all participants free of concentrated & conspiring interest
attempting to create prices positively or negatively. The membership would
have designated levels, rights and privileges concurrent with their level
of financial commitment. We plan three levels in this informal gathering of
common interest as follows:

The Gold Member Card

Immediate Access
We will produce a special gold card, which will carry a number, not a name.
This card will be protected against counterfeit. It will entitle the holder
to contact anyone of us by a direct fax number to ask questions concerning
the market with an immediate same-day answer.


Annual Gold Round Table Meeting
Once a year we hope to host an exclusive meeting where the attendance would
be limited to members holding Gold Member cards. The purpose of this Round
Table Meeting will be two-fold: (1) An exclusive presentation by the hosts
limited to forty minutes or less, and (2) An open forum exchange where the
attendees will have the opportunity to present questions to the hosts
(those present or by telecast).

You will receive strategic and expert information concerning your
investment in gold and related markets. Whatever we may be able to provide,
will be provided without cost to you.

Heart of Gold
Harry, Bill, Jim & Jim will be the heart of this anonymous movement.
The Heart will entertain placement of three additional individuals to take
a seat at the table. These three seats will be offered to the top three
physical gold owners as a result of taking physical delivery of gold from
the COMEX gold exchange. These three individuals will also have personal
access to us.

The Gold Community Card

We offer a secondary level of participation. For those with under $50,000
(USD) to invest, they should apply 1/3 of their investment to the next best
(but really not that effective) gold investment, which are one-ounce newly
minted gold coins. They will receive, by proof of the coin purchase, a Gold
Community Card. Their membership will entitle them to ask one question per
month to be answered on a two-day return basis.


Are you willing to do something for gold bullion that really counts or just
carp about being run ragged by the manipulators?

If you do not do something for gold, you have no right at all to expect
gold to do something for you. Thus you are not a gold community member in
the sense of cooperation with purpose of gold`s discipline and currency
utilization, therefore undeserving of rewards.


How to select an International Bank or Broker to initiate the transaction
to take delivery of Gold Bullion

1. Select an international bank or broker that has the capacity to execute
order on the Comex Exchange directly or through a correspondent broker.
(See Appendix)

2. Inform your selected international bank or broker, both verbally and in
writing, that you intend to take delivery of the underlying gold
represented by the Comex future you have purchased. (See Appendix for
Sample Letter)

3. Make your purchase of a Comex gold contract with a financially
comfortable delivery date.

4. Your international bank or broker will contact you on or just before
first notice date.

5. Again inform your international bank or broker that you intend to take
delivery.

6. Be sure that your account at the international bank or broker has a
credit slightly more that the difference between your credit/debit balance
in your account and the price of gold you purchase the future at. For
instance, if you had purchased gold for December delivery when it was
trading at $300, you would have a credit balance per contract of at least
$3300. In order to take delivery of 100 ounces, you would have to have an
additional $26,700 plus expenses in your account with your international
bank or broker in order to effect delivery.

How to Take Delivery of Gold Futures Contracts

The Commodities Exchange (COMEX), a division of the New York Mercantile
Exchange (NYMEX), provides a forum for the trading of gold futures and
options (as opposed to the "traditional" means of investing in gold, such
as bullion, coins, and mining stocks). In addition to trading futures
("contracts with firm commitments to make or accept delivery of a specified
quantity and quality of a commodity during a specific month in the future
at a price agreed upon at the time the commitment is made"), investors can
actually take possession or "delivery" of their gold futures contracts if
they wish. It is rare that a trader ever takes possession of the physical
commodity he/she trades, but not impossible. Presently, less than 1% of all
gold futures contract trades result in delivery.

Taking delivery of gold is also referred to as "exchange of futures for, on
in connection with, physicals" or EFP. Deliveries of gold bullion against
futures contracts traded on COMEX are available to an investor during any
business day within the month specified in the contract. The first day a
seller can give delivery notice to the buyer is the next to the last
business day of the month prior to a maturing delivery month. The last day
a seller can give delivery notice is the second to the last business day of
a maturing delivery month (the day after the last trading day). The last
trading day is the third to the last business day of a maturing delivery
month. So, if an investor buys a December 2002 gold contract, the first
notice day would be November 27, 2002.

Any gold delivered against a futures contract must bear a serial number and
identifying stamp of a refiner approved and listed by the Exchange.
Delivery must be made from a depository located in the Borough of
Manhattan, New York City, licensed by the Exchange (listed below or See
Appendix)


The Procedure

Check List to take delivery of gold futures contracts:
1. Establish a long position in gold by ordering a purchase via a broker or
international bank with a correspondent able to execute an order on the
COMEX.

2. Wait for the account to clear through a COMEX clearinghouse.

3. Hold the contract to the delivery month.

4. The clearinghouse will settle accounts and allocate the percentage equal
to their percentage holding of open interest. Typically it is allocated
through the first in, first out method.

5. Pay for the gold position in full.

6. Receive the warehouse receipt from the clearinghouse.

7. Contact the depository.

8. For delivery, a person in the US can either pick up the gold yourself,
depending on the quantity (though, if it is a large amount, this is not
advised for insurance/security reasons) or have an armored car deliver it
to your bank.

i. According to Brinks (one of the armored transportation services
recommended by the COMEX), the maximum charge for domestic gold delivery is
.27¢ per ounce (with a minimum charge total of $135) plus a $20 security
charge. The more gold shipped, the less the cost per ounce will be.
ii. Other charges associated with delivery include the warehouse fee for
taking the gold out of the warehouse (things such as labor costs, etc.) -
typically this costs approximately $15 per bar.

iii. The delivery services carry their own insurance (i.e. IBI Armored Car
has $100 million insurance for all their transportation services) but you
may choose to take out additional insurance.

9. Safety deposit boxes can be as large as 55" by 54" and cost
approximately $2800 a year (quote from Bank One in Chicago).
Approximate costs involved in taking delivery of gold in the U.S.*



------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bar Ounces Del.Cost Armored Warehouse Total Cost Cost
per car Cost Cost of /delivery
oz costs(1) (2) delivery(3) Gold(4) fees
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 100 .27¢ $135 $15 $150 $32,600 0.5%
10 1,000 .20¢ $220 $150 $370 $326,000 0.11%
500 50,000 .15¢ $7520 $7,500 $15,020 $16,300,000 0.09%
1,000 100,000 .09¢ $9000 $15,000 $24,000 $32,600,000 0.07%
------------------------------------------------------------------------
* The domestic shipping maximum quote of delivery is .27¢ - delivery
charges are estimates based on the Brink`s quote that the more gold
shipped, the less the cost per ounce.

(1) Armored car costs = $ per ounce plus $20 for security
(2) Warehouse costs = $15 per bar
(3) Not including additional insurance
(4) Assume gold costs $326


For international delivery, there are a few more steps.

According to Brinks, the shipping company will need specific mailing and
packing information for each shipment:
a. How much it weighs (by kilos for international shipments)?
b. How it is packaged? The gold bars must be packed correctly for shipping.
Either the Depository or the shipper can do. Typically, the Depository
delivers gold on a palette. It must then be transferred into pails (which
fit 8 bars) or into tubs (which fit 160 bars) for international shipping.
The shipper must be able to see and count all bars. Brinks will transfer
the gold on the palette to their Brooklyn vault and then package it
themselves.

The base rate for international shipping 100,000 ounces would be .12 ¼ ¢
per ounce (approximately $12,250, or .04% of the total cost - quoted by
Brinks). This includes the charges for pick up, packing the bullion (by
Brinks), the air freight rate flight, having the shipment met by a local
branch representative, customs entry, and a $25 airport security. All other
fees, such as duties and all other customs are not included in price
estimate. The shipment must be from a bank to a bank; they will not pick up
at a residence. Brinks will deliver to England, France, Germany,
Switzerland, India, Hong Kong, Australia, Russia, etc.

To ship one 100-ounce bar, Federal Express will ship precious metals. The
cost to ship a 7-lb. package (one 100-ounce bar of gold) from New York to
Zurich would be $100. There are no duties or taxes to pay for delivery gold
to Switzerland. The bottom line estimate for delivering one 100-ounce bar
of gold from New York to Zurich will be around $100.

An important note: any gold that is signed out of a COMEX depository and
shipped internationally must be assayed before it is brought back to the
COMEX for resale, at a cost ($138 per bar - the cost descends as the volume
increases).

COMEX Depositories:

Brink`s, Inc.
580 Fifth Avenue, Suite 400
New York, New York 10036
USA
phone: [phone]

HSBC Bank USA
1 West 39th Street, SC 2 Level
New York, New York 10018
USA
phone: [phone]
Scotia/Mocatta Depository, (Scotia/Mocatta is the global bullion banking
division of the Bank of Nova Scotia, formed in 1997 by the bank`s
acquisition of Mocatta Bullion from Standard Chartered Bank in London.)
26 Broadway
New York, New York 10004
USA
phone: [phone]

[schloss]

@thaiguru

Diese Rio Tinto Studie würde mich auch interessieren...
Schickst Du mir den Link??

[TFischer]

und was spricht denn gegen den Betrag, den Rio Tinto da errechnet hat? Ist zufällig praktisch genau soviel, damit die Amis all ihre Schulden begleichen könnten.........

TFischer

[goldenbear2]

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?guid=%7B5A5B12BC%2…

Mighty gold battle begins

By Peter Brimelow, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 12:38 AM ET Dec. 16, 2002


NEW YORK (CBS.MW) -- The goldbugs are gathering again, suspiciously as usual. But this time some technicians (and economists) are gathering too.

Martin Pring of the Intermarket Review, author of Technical Analysis Explained, the bible of this generation of technicians, says flatly: "the most important technical development in the last week has been the solid breakout in the gold (and silver) price." (Gold`s $332.20 Friday close was its highest since 1996.)

Pring had been worried that gold shares hadn`t been leading the metal price up as they usually do. But now he thinks the shares have begun to confirm. In his characteristically industrious way, Pring also charts a ratio between inflation- and deflation-sensitive equities. He reports that too has achieved a technical breakout.

Bill Buckler of the Australian service The Privateer, a rising force in the gold world, reproduces a spectacular multi-decade monthly semi-log gold bar chart. He comments emphatically:

"Look at the major trendline, connecting gold`s 1980 all time high with gold`s most recent 1996 high. This line has been challenged ever since gold first broke above it back in May. Now, with this rise to $US 333 on December 13, gold has broken ABOVE that eight-month `consolidation` phase. In the process, it has left behind the LAST downtrend on the chart....The final `proof` that $US gold IS in a bull market is now in hand. With that, the potential for a much faster price rise in $US terms for gold increases MASSIVELY."

And there`s a more conventional reason for gold`s glitter: an emerging consensus among economists that the U.S. dollar, is finally (finally!) breaking.

The respected institutional service Bridgewater Associates said this in a recent daily bulletin:

"We are still very early in a major dollar sell-off. The US needs to attract 80 percent of the world`s available capital just to keep the dollar stable. The relative attractiveness of US capital has deteriorated to the point where it is extremely unlikely the US will be able to maintain the market share of world capital it needs to break even. In fact, foreign demand for the dollar has already begun to significantly decline, and it is only a surge in foreign government demand that is keeping the dollar from collapsing further. This demand will falter as the pressure on the dollar intensifies."

Argh!

Mark Hulbert, of the Hulbert Financial Digest, tells me that his gold sentiment index -- measuring the exposure of investment letter gold timers -- to gold, rose to 53.85 percent on Friday`s close. That`s higher than for much of the past six months, but still a lot lower than the 89.58 percent level hit in February when gold first made its first attempt of the year to break through $300.

Translation: bullish, but not bullish enough to provoke contrary-opinion twitches.

Four timers followed by the Hulbert Financial Digest have beaten a gold buy-and-hold on a risk-adjusted basis over trailing 10 years. (Pring and Privateer are not currently followed by Hulbert).

Two -- Professional Timing Service and MutualFundStrategist.com -- are bullish.

Two -- Mutual Fund Timer [no Web site] and FundAdvice.com -- are bearish. So the market-beating "Best" are about the same as the market-trailing "Rest" -- this indicator gives no clear signal.

The goldbugs are suspicious, of course, because they suspect their market is managed. (See my Nov. 11 column).

One investment letter titan who recently announced his conversion to this view, Dow Theory Letter`s Richard Russell, said this over the weekend:

"...A huge battle is going on behind the scenes in the gold area. The latest [CFTC] figures show that... the Commercials are flooding the gold market with additional supply (shorts) while at the same time the big speculators have increased their long positions hugely.

"So watch for gold to get erratic and volatile. There`s a mighty battle going on. Gold bulls should take their positions and not be leveraged... Even in a bull market, when you`re on margin the odds are that the `smart boys` will get you, and you`ll be sent home crying."

For more information or to subscribe to the Hulbert Financial Digest, click here.

[goldenbear2]

Fleckenstein verweist quasi auf den König der Narren in der FED, dem Goldbugs weltweit zutoasten sollten

"The gold market does appear to have taken on a different tone ever since Fed Governor Ben Bernanke talked about the printing press, and by implication, the sheer worthlessness of these pieces of paper called dollars. (Here`s the playback of that admission: "The U.S. government has a technology, called a printing press -- or, today, its electronic equivalent -- that allows it to produce as many U.S. dollars as it wishes at essentially no cost.") Whether or not there is a true cause-and-effect, I don`t know, but it certainly makes sense to me."