Wirecard - Top oder Flop (Seite 10516)

[Jules3000]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 61.709.218 von Jules3000 am 16.10.19 22:50:21

... und Para 258ff bzw 315 AktG, sorry, mobile

[captainchris]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 61.709.140 von Snelll am 16.10.19 22:38:58

Moin,

in der ersten Instanz schmerzlich für WDI--langfristig nur eine kleine Delle.
Fast offensichtlich gab es Diskrepanzen in der Edo Zeit. Der Königsweg wäre die vollkommene Transparenz--man würde die aller besten Wirtschaftsprüfer einladen, sogar die die FT selbst einladen, und nachher Edo anklagen. Alle Fakten müssen auf dem Tisch. Im ersten Moment würde es Kursabschläge geben (ein reinigendes Gewitter) aber dann wäre die Sache Geschichte. WDI muß mit diesen Geister der Vergangenheit endlich abschließen--die haben sich weiter entwickelt. Tut kurz weh aber dann ist der Weg auf 200 und darüber frei.

[Jules3000]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 61.709.179 von Pebotodi am 16.10.19 22:44:38

Zitat von Pebotodi: Gehen Dan McCrum die Argumente aus?

„Wirecard faced calls from analysts to provide detailed information on its accounting after the German fintech group sought to dismiss a Financial Times report about suspect book-keeping.
Shares in the Dax 30 group dropped 13 per cent on Tuesday, with bond prices falling even further, after the FT published documents which appear to point to a concerted attempt to inflate sales and profits at Wirecard subsidiaries in Dubai and Dublin. 
The stock ended Wednesday little changed, at €122.50 after Wirecard issued a statement that rejected allegations of impropriety, provided some details of business conducted through Dubai, and said that conclusions drawn by the FT regarding the documents were “not correct”.

The FT has published internal financial reports that appear to show that Wirecard routed billions of euros in payments for 34 clients through a Dubai partner company called Al Alam Solutions in 2016 and 2017.
The documents indicate that a quarter of the German group’s sales in 2016 were attributed to the arrangement, yet out of 34 client names listed in the documents, eight had ceased trading at the time business was attributed to them. A further 15 told the FT they had never heard of Al Alam, of which only four said they were clients of Wirecard in the period concerned. Six of the 34 named entities declined to comment and five could not be traced. 

Wirecard’s statement said Al Alam was an independent partner, its service providers were often active in the background and that “the 34 company names mentioned by the Financial Times refer to labels of customer clusters created for reporting and reconciliation purposes, each containing hundreds of individual genuine merchants”. 
In a note to clients, Deutsche Bank analyst Nooshin Nejati said “it is not clear why the company would use such a clustering for its reporting” and called for the involvement of Wirecard’s auditor. “The company needs to ask EY for an official view on these allegations that it should publish separately’” Ms Nejati said. 

Analysts at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods said the company’s statement on Wednesday was “a step in the right direction [but] we don’t believe that the statement issued today is sufficient to allay investor scepticism around Wirecard’s accounting practices and other controversies”. 
The German group faces an continuing investigation by the Singaporean authorities into alleged fraudulent accounting at a number of subsidiaries in Asia. Wirecard has said there was no material impact on its group accounts from the Singapore investigation, but that some employees in the city state may face criminal liability. 
Munich prosecutors told the Financial Times on Wednesday they have not launched an investigation against Wirecard or its employees over potential accounting irregularities. 

The prosecutors have been investigating alleged market manipulation linked to the swings in the company’s share price for several months, and told the FT that this “investigation against persons unknown” was still continuing. “Hence we unfortunately cannot disclose any further detail”, said a spokesperson.
German financial markets watchdog Bafin has the option to ask the country’s Financial Reporting Enforcement Panel to start an inquiry into Wirecard’s accounting practices. Bafin and Frep declined to comment on whether such an inquiry had or will be launched. 
Markus Braun, Wirecard’s chief executive, was reported to be relaxed in a one-on-one calls with analysts, according to an investor briefed on the conversation.“

Quelle:FT

Das Orderbuch auf xetra wird die Antwort liefern ...

[Jules3000]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 61.709.119 von Another-earth am 16.10.19 22:36:03

Man bist du ein Schwätzer....

[Jules3000]

Sonderprüfung. Ganz einfach. Kann auch verlangt werden, Para 142 AktG. Die bisherigen Stellungnahmen reichen nicht aus für dauerhaftes Vertrauen. Da muss mehr kommen.

[Pebotodi]

Gehen Dan McCrum die Argumente aus?

„Wirecard faced calls from analysts to provide detailed information on its accounting after the German fintech group sought to dismiss a Financial Times report about suspect book-keeping.
Shares in the Dax 30 group dropped 13 per cent on Tuesday, with bond prices falling even further, after the FT published documents which appear to point to a concerted attempt to inflate sales and profits at Wirecard subsidiaries in Dubai and Dublin. 
The stock ended Wednesday little changed, at €122.50 after Wirecard issued a statement that rejected allegations of impropriety, provided some details of business conducted through Dubai, and said that conclusions drawn by the FT regarding the documents were “not correct”.

The FT has published internal financial reports that appear to show that Wirecard routed billions of euros in payments for 34 clients through a Dubai partner company called Al Alam Solutions in 2016 and 2017.
The documents indicate that a quarter of the German group’s sales in 2016 were attributed to the arrangement, yet out of 34 client names listed in the documents, eight had ceased trading at the time business was attributed to them. A further 15 told the FT they had never heard of Al Alam, of which only four said they were clients of Wirecard in the period concerned. Six of the 34 named entities declined to comment and five could not be traced. 

Wirecard’s statement said Al Alam was an independent partner, its service providers were often active in the background and that “the 34 company names mentioned by the Financial Times refer to labels of customer clusters created for reporting and reconciliation purposes, each containing hundreds of individual genuine merchants”. 
In a note to clients, Deutsche Bank analyst Nooshin Nejati said “it is not clear why the company would use such a clustering for its reporting” and called for the involvement of Wirecard’s auditor. “The company needs to ask EY for an official view on these allegations that it should publish separately’” Ms Nejati said. 

Analysts at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods said the company’s statement on Wednesday was “a step in the right direction [but] we don’t believe that the statement issued today is sufficient to allay investor scepticism around Wirecard’s accounting practices and other controversies”. 
The German group faces an continuing investigation by the Singaporean authorities into alleged fraudulent accounting at a number of subsidiaries in Asia. Wirecard has said there was no material impact on its group accounts from the Singapore investigation, but that some employees in the city state may face criminal liability. 
Munich prosecutors told the Financial Times on Wednesday they have not launched an investigation against Wirecard or its employees over potential accounting irregularities. 

The prosecutors have been investigating alleged market manipulation linked to the swings in the company’s share price for several months, and told the FT that this “investigation against persons unknown” was still continuing. “Hence we unfortunately cannot disclose any further detail”, said a spokesperson.
German financial markets watchdog Bafin has the option to ask the country’s Financial Reporting Enforcement Panel to start an inquiry into Wirecard’s accounting practices. Bafin and Frep declined to comment on whether such an inquiry had or will be launched. 
Markus Braun, Wirecard’s chief executive, was reported to be relaxed in a one-on-one calls with analysts, according to an investor briefed on the conversation.“

Quelle:FT

[Snelll]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 61.708.909 von captainchris am 16.10.19 22:11:15

Zitat von captainchris: Die Frage die im Raum steht ist : Wie kommt man aus dieser nie aufhörende Tit-for-tat nummer mit der FT permanent raus?
Ich hätte da so ein paar Ideen---die sind allerdings am Anfang zu mindest leider etwas schmerzlich.

Schmerzlich für wen? Ich gebe Braun recht, irgendwann muss der Kurs dem Erfolg hinterher, wenn es bei Wirecard so bleibt. Dann hat man ein paar Jahre Ruhe. Danach ist Wirecard nach ein paar Jahren im DAX reif und groß genug, dass Angriffe schwieriger werden. Dann suchen die Shorter sich andere Ziele.
Das wäre der Weg wenn nichts an den Vorwürfen dran ist/nachgewiesen werden kann. Kleinere Missstände gibt es sicherlich, die spielen langfristig aber keine Rolle.

[Another-earth]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 61.708.996 von campino69dth am 16.10.19 22:21:41

Zitat von campino69dth:

Zitat von tni: KURSZIEL UNTER 100 Euro
Hat wirklich Betrug begangen aber in welchem
Höhe das ist fraglich

Welchen denn genau? Vielleicht hat Markus Braun ja mal falsch geparkt oder fett einen ziehen lassen im Büro und dabei schäbisch gegrinst, weil er vergessen hatte zu lüften aber sonst....

Mal ehrlich, von was redest du? Dinge belegen, nicht bloß behaupten denn eine Behauptung oder der Glaube an etwas ist kein Beweis...sonst würde ich direkt Danny-Boy der Steuerhinterziehung bezichtigen, beweisen muss ich nix und er würde für Jahre von der Bildfläche verschwinden...

...so läuft (zum Glück) unsere Welt nicht

Die Berichterstattung der FT, ist die Begleitmusik für den Kurseinbruch bei WDI.
Der Grund für den Kurseinbruch sind einzig und alleine die Short seller , die ihre geliehenen Aktien auf den Markt werfen und eben eine Verkaufswelle auslösen die dann zusätzlich Limits mitreißen ....
Wären keine short seller am Abwerfen, würde der Bericht der FT überhaupt keinen Kursrückgang bewirken
Und trotzdem
werden in den komenden Tagen Folgeartikel erscheinen ( bei einem bleibt es nicht ) und den Kurs Richtung 100 bewegen..
Dieses worst case Szenario ist zu brücksichtigen, alles andere ist Sturheit , Ignoranz oder was auch immer man das bezeichnen will

[jigajig]

Ich habe 2016 hinter mir gelassen. Man nennt das "persönliche Weiterentwicklung". Google halt danach, wenn Dir die Erfahrung damit fehlt. Aber lass mich doch einfach mal in Ruhe.

[jigajig]

Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 61.708.717 von Silberglanz am 16.10.19 21:46:00

Zitat von Silberglanz: Jingklingeling alle die gleiche Birne, der Pastek hat dir/euch wirklich schweren Schaden zugefügt.😇

Du spinnst doch total, Kerl.