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[Trendseeker]

Überlege ein Investment in Thistle Mining (THT.TO) zu tätigen.


Hat jemand hier näheres zu diesem Unternehmen zu berichten oder womöglich diese Aktie ?

Kenne nur die Ausführungen auf www.goldseiten.de, und die sind schon etwas älter.

News:
http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/May7-03HedgePosition.pd…
THISTLE MINING REPAYS ALL OF ITS LONG TERM DEBT USING THE PROFIT FROM ITS HEDGE POSITION

FINANCIALS:

http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/2003Thistle-Q1.pdf
First Quarter, 2003

http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/T34062-Thistle_AR2002.p…
Thistle_AR2002.pdfAnnual Report, 2002 - Full Report

http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/LetterofConsentPCamdenS…

Mineral Resource and Ore Reserve Statement for President Steyn Gold Mines (PSGM)





Wäre nett, wenn Ihr Eure Einschätzung mal mitteilen könntet.

Gruss

Trendseeker

[Trendseeker]

Keiner ???

[sterngleiter]

Hallo Trendseeker,

Mit Thistle Mining war in der Vergangenheit gutes Geld
zu verdienen.
Leider musste Thistle Mining -bei der Übernahme von
"President Steyn" (Südafrika) auch noch Calls schreiben,
was zur Folge hat, das bei höheren Goldpreisen der eigene
Gewinnanteil immer kleiner wird!!

[Trendseeker]

@Sterngleiter

Danke für die Info !

Gestern waren ganz erhebliche Umsätze bei THT zu beobachten, 3x mehr als durchschnittlich laut yahoo!Finance.

Mal sehen, was der Tag so bringt , vielleicht war es ein erster Schritt zu einer Bodenbildung.

Gruss

Trendseeker

[Tsuba]

Thistle ist die einzige GM Aktie,

die ich in den letzten Monaten

gekauft habe (0,36 u. 0,40 €)

und nicht läuft.

Liegt wohl ausschließlich am

starken Rand. Mal überlegen,

ob man da nicht nachkaufen soll.


Neuerdings wird wohl Caledonia modern.

Aber die fördern wohl alles Diamantsplitter,

Platin, Kobalt und Gold. Nur Gold, dann wär´s

ein Kauf.

Gruss

Tsuba

[Trendseeker]

@Tsuba

THT.TO ist Sleeper in meinem GM-Depot. Habe bei durchschnittlich 0,54 Can$ gekauft.

In den letzten Tagen hat meiner Ansicht nach schon eine vorsichtige Aufwärtstrendbewegung begonnen (auf die Kurse in Deutschland schaue ich dabei nicht), teilweise unter recht hohen Umsätzen.

Ich werde Thistle halten (geringes KGV). Der Stärke des Rand sollte demnächst (hoffentlich) etwas abnehmen.

CALVF halte ich auch. Der Kurs scheint nicht mehr unter 0,19 USD abzusinken, das sehe ich positiv. Aktie ist mittlerweile wieder leicht über 200MA.

Ich sehe CALVF noch eher als Sleeper denn THT.TO.

Ich bleibe geduldig, denn sobald ich einen der beiden Werte verkaufen würde, stünde eine Kursverdopplung kurz bevor.

Gruss

Trendseeker

[Tsuba]

@Trendseeker

bin "Fundamentalist" und deshalb von

Thistle überzeugt.

Meine Art der Risikobegrenzung ist

das Streuen. Halte immer ca. 20 GM-Aktien.


Dankbar kann jeder sein , der verstanden

hat, daß GOLDONLY kein Name sondern

eine Erkenntnis ist (Dank nach Hamburg).

Für Nichtinsider: alles raus aus dem Depot,

was nicht GM ist.

Gruss

Tsuba

[hpoth]

@ Tsuba,

halte die Aktie schon sehr lange bei 0.14 gekauft, bin auch der Überzeugung das da noch mehr drin ist aber wann das steht auf einem anderem Blatt, hoffe nur das es aufgeht
mit Thistel Mining. Siegel hat ja mal ein PZ von 3 c$ generiert obs wohl so kommt weis ich nicht.gruß hpoth

[hpoth]

Bei Bandulet war sie mal sehr aktuell, aber dann kam sie außer Mode, ich glaube er hat sie sogar auf die Todesliste gesetzt, so genau weis ich es im Moment auch nicht mehr müßte in den alten Unterlagen nachschauchen, habe aber keine Lust z.Zt. gruß hpoth

[kaepntnemo]

irgendwas/wer laesst die todgeglaubten wieder zucken. Wer weiss, was, wo, wer - mehr? Auf der thistle website ist nix zu entdecken. an der aim wird jedenfalls rege gehandelt.
waer fuer aufklaerung dankbar.

thx
-nemo-

[kaepntnemo]

eine ergaenzung aus www.americanbulls.com

THT / THISTLE MINING INC

0.660
+0.020 +3.13%

HOLD

Our system recommends HOLD as of today. Previous BUY recommendation was made on 8/8/2003 (10) days ago, when the stock price was 0.590. Since then the stock gained 11.86% .

Today the stock closed higher, at its high (sign of strength) with a higher high and a lower low (sign of increase in volatility). The volume is high. The security price is trending up.

Today a Long White Candlestick formed. Buyers were aggressive and buying pressure was strong. Be careful, this may lead to excessive bullishness!

Das haette man natuerlich besonders gerne

-nemo-

[Goldhamster999]

[hpoth]

Das Feuer ist wohl aus bei THT, kaum noch Bewegung im Kurs wird wohl auch zum Ladenhüter? gruß Hpoth

[Thoemsi]

Sehe ich anders. Thistle macht der starke Rand zu schaffen (ähnlich wie Drooy). Meiner Meinung nach noch eine Goldmine, die sehr günstig bewertet ist. Die anderen Nordamerikaner sind schon sehr gut gelaufen, daher habe ich diese Positionen teilweise abgebaut und gegen Minen wie THT getauscht. Bei einem schwächerwerdenden Rand stehen wir ganz schnell bei 1 CAD. Thistle ist momentan meine größte Position im Depot

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Goldhamster999]

@hypo
Stimmt, ein symmetrisches Dreieck hat es so an sich, dass es ne Zeitlang langweilig wird.

Auch hängt Kanada insgesamt etwas zurück.

St. Barbara in Australien ist erst mal nach oben ausgebrochen.

Wir werden ja sehen wann und wie es sich hier auflöst. Jedenfalls sind wir eher an der Unterseite als an der Oberseite des Dreiecks, was nicht bedeuten soll, dass man nicht möglicherweise bei 0,4CAD noch mal verbilligen könnte.

http://www.goldseiten.de/minen/us_THT.htm

[hpoth]

O.K. der Rand macht anderen SA Minen ebenso Schwierigkeiten
GFI, HMY,AU,DROOY,JCI, AFL ect.dann sehen wir halt mal THT als Option auf höhere Goldpreise an. Gruß hpoth

[Thoemsi]

Was ist hier eigentlich los die letzten Tage? Allein am starken Rand kanns doch wohl nicht liegen....
Weis da jemand was?

[Tsuba]

lapidar:

egal was los ist bei THT, kaufen.

die fundamentals stimmen, mir genügt das.

Stop loss, wie immer 0,00.



Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

@ Tsuba

so sehe ich das auch, habe die letzten Tage Thistle massiv aufgestockt und dabei leider in ein fallendes Messer gegriffen. Naja Timing war noch nie meine Stärke...

Ich bin sogar so überzeugt von dem Wert, daß er inzwischen eine Gewichtung von knapp 30% meines Depots ausmacht und damit CDE und CBJ auf die Plätze verweist

In einem Jahr sprechen wir uns an gleicher Stelle wieder

Gruß

Thoemsi

[hpoth]

Hallo Thoemsi,

ich habe THT auch im Depot aber nur 3% kommt natürlich immer darauf an von wo 3 oder 30% gerechnet werden,trotzdem,meine ich 30% in einem Wert ist recht mutig, noch mal 2 Werte dann ist das Depot mit großzügig gerechnet schon fast bei 100%.Rest 10% Cash für weitere Nachkäufe von THT?
THT wird von einigen hoch gestuft mit PZ/1.50 -3.00.
bei 1.50 hätte ich auch einen großen Batzen an Gewinn.
mfg hpoth

[Thoemsi]

@ Hpoth

ich bin nicht gerade das, was man einen risikoscheuen Anleger nennt
Die Fundamentals müssen halt stimmen (ist bei THT erfüllt), man muß von der Branche überzeugt sein (ist bei Gold bei mir 100%ig der Fall) und die Mine muß billig bewertet sein (sehe bei THT auch als erfüllt).

Seit 2001 ist CDE meine größte Position gewesen (das waren auch knapp 30%), was damals, als CDE noch ganz am Anfang der Zurückführung des Schuldenberges stand, auch eine gewagte Investition war; fast ein va banque Spiel könnte man sagen Wie man heute am Kurs sieht hat sich das ausgezahlt Ein ähnliches Bsp. ist CBJ.

Was bei THT noch dazukommt, weiter oben aber schon dikutiert wurde ist das temporäre Problem der "Randbremse".
Meiner Meinung nach sind die Nordamerikaner schon sher gut gelaufen und die SA- Minen sind aufgrund des Wechselkurses ZAR/$ noch wesentlich günstiger zu haben. Daher setzte ich jetzt verstärkt auf Werte wie THT, Drooy,....

Trotz der guten Performance der Minen stehen wir meiner Meinung nach erst am Anfang dieser Hausse und werden in einigen Jahren vermutlich über 0,45CAD bei THT oder über 2,70$ bei Drooy nur lachen können

Und diese Geduld bringe ich ohne Probleme auf

Gruß

Thoemsi

p.s. was sind denn momentan Deine Favoriten?

[hpoth]

Hallo Thoemsi,

Ja ich habe einige, hier nur eine kleine Auswahl: THT,DROOY, GAU, läuft heute mit fast 20%,NNG in Ausi,
Nevsun, Desert Sun, JCI,Randgold,Gold Resev. GRZ,KRY,AFL,
CKG,GSS,GG,GFI,Arizona Star, beim Silber SSRI,SIL, PAAS,FSR. und noch MMN,TEKB ect, bin ja mit 45% in Gold und Silber gewichtet.Gruß hpoth

[hpoth]

# Thoemsi,

natürlich auch pysisches Gold und Silber, denn das ist ja der wahre Wert,Papier ist wenn alles schief läuft auch nix mehr Wert, also nicht vergessen Gold, Silber,Platin auch in Barren halten.Gruß hpoth

[hpoth]

#21
THT schmiert weiter ab am 10.11.03 Schlußkurs 0.39, ist sehr schwach, muß wohl auch noch andere Gründe haben als die Randbremse. Guten Morgen hpoth

[kaepntnemo]

hi hpoth,
Du hattest vor nicht allzulanger zeit bei tht mal von Bandulets "todesliste" gesprochen. Kannst Du Dich denn noch an die Begruendung erinnern, falls die ueber den kursverlauf hinausging?
Es muss doch irgendwas (internes?) ueber die "randbremse" hinaus laufen, sonst laesst sich m.E. nach nicht nachvollziehen, warum tht selbst bei steidendem pog so abdreht. das tht kein schnelllaeufer ist, war mir von anfang an klar, aber auch noch gegen den trend rueckwaerts, ist n bisschen ville.

gruss
-nemo-

[hpoth]

Ich meine er hatte das Management verurteilt,leider finde ich die Unterlagen nicht mehr, versuche mal Kontakt mit
Bandulet aufzunehmen,wenn ich etwas erfahre stelle ich es rein. Gruß hpoth

[sterngleiter]

Hallo hpoth,

bezüglich THT bitte Bandulet-Ausgabe von April 2002,
Seite 9 nachschlagen!

Sinngemäß lautet es dort, daß bis 2007 Calls geschrieben
wurden, welches zur Folge hat, das THT von Goldpreisen
zwischen $340-355 nur zu 50% profitiert und von Goldpreisen
zwischen 350 - 365 nur zu 37%.

Lt. Bandulet sollte man daher bereits THT ab Goldpreis
$340 verkaufen!!!!

[hpoth]

#27
Sterngleiter vielen Dank, genau so ist es gewesen.Gruß hpoth

[kaepntnemo]

STERNGLEITER & HPOTH,
vielen Dank!
gruss
-nemo-

[Thoemsi]

Wenn das der Grund für die momentan miserable Performance ist, dann hätte THT aber auch Anfang 2003 nicht auf über 0,80 CAD anziehen dürfen, oder?
Ich glaube da ist noch was anderes im Busch. Leider sind nirgends irgendwelche Infos zu finden. Vielleicht sollen sie auch übernahmereif geschossen werden?!

[Thoemsi]

Heute schon wieder stark unter Druck!! Da stimmt doch was nicht...

[borazon]

Wenn das Management nix taugt, sollte der Kurs von Thistle seit Mitte Oktober (Rücktrittsankündigung des Chairmans) eigentlich steigen.



Was die Hedges betrifft:



http://minesite.com/archives/features_archive/2003/april-200…

Feature Story
Date : April 4, 2003
Thistle Mining Extracts Cash From Its Hedge Programme To Expand Production.



Hedging and derivative instruments were brought to the top of the investment world’s agenda by Warren Buffett early in March when he said that derivatives are ‘time bombs’ ticking away at the heart of the financial system. The main risk, claimed Lex of the Financial Times in a follow-up to Mr Buffett’s statement in his annual letter to shareholders in Berkshire Hathaway, was that so little information is given by companies about exposure to such derivatives. As if to drive the message home Newmont Mining announced less than a week later that the Yandal mine in Australia had had to pay US$14.3 million in cash rather than gold to make good on a hedging contract with a bank.

In other words it had lost US$14.3 million on trading whatever way the bean counters seek to disguise the issue. Not that much, one might think, for a company the size of Newmont, but it still had 3.9 million ounces sold forward on its Australian hedge book alone late last month. A ‘ticking time bomb’ indeed as at the end of December the mark-to-market loss was a negative US$433 million. In other words if the banks demanded delivery of the physical gold, which is never beyond the bounds of possibility, the company would have to spend that amount, and more, to buy back its hedge.

Not that Newmont is alone in this quandary. Barrick Gold, a committed hedger from way back , had to report a mark-to-market loss of US$639 million at the end of December and it was followed by AngloGold with a negative US$446 million. Placer Dome had a smaller loss to report, but it still has three years of production sold forward which will be of no comfort to shareholders who see little future in the US dollar and envisage a strong advance by gold later this year. All these companies are committed to cutting their hedge books further , but investors should still question the original view taken on the future of gold which got them into this mess. Banks have to take a large share of the responsibility as they have consistently made money out of hedging programmes demanded as a quid pro quo for loans. Conflict of interest or what?

In this context it is good to hear that Thistle Mining, the Canadian company that listed on AIM last summer, has just restructured 35 per cent of its hedge book and actually realised US$7 million out of it. According to Willie McLucas, Thistle’s chief executive, the original hedging programme was a key part of the US$ 27.5 million funding arrangements agreed with Standard Bank London in early 2002 for the purchase of the President Steyn gold mines In South Africa. The restructured hedge book has been approved by the bankers as maintaining protection and the funds raised will be used to accelerate development of the northern section of President Steyn. This is very timely as a new ball mill has just been commissioned which has raised capacity to 135,000 tonnes of ore a month and the company now has to increase its mining rate to this level.

It was the fall back in the price of gold and the strength of the rand that enabled Thistle to carry out this restructuring which involved around 220,000 ounces of the hedge position. The way it was done was not exactly simple; none of these things ever are. Remember Ashanti Gold where the other directors never questioned the apparent brilliance of accountant Mark Keatley in running the hedge book until he practically bust the company. In simple terms, therefore, Thistle has closed out about one third of its put options as well as a chunk of calls leaving it committed to 408,844 ounces of puts at Rands 3,650 to December 2004 and 405,864 ounces of calls at US$310 to US$315 between January 2005 and June 2007. The calls have been replaced with forward sales of gold and US dollars have also been sold forward against rands in sufficient quantity to retain currency protection covering 70 per cent of the period to June 2007.

A pause at this point to apply an ice pack to the head is permitted. The net result is that the company can fund its expansion at President Steyn and has also improved its revenue stream, in the short term, by US$ 30 per ounce. In addition the company has around 20 million options due to be exercised in August, or preferably before, and the funds raised will be used at the Masbate project in the Philippines. This is a big, low grade project which has been kept on the back burner for a while, but a gold price of US$335/oz should make a significant difference to its economics. Looks as if Willie is on a bit of a roll.

[Thoemsi]

@ Die Goldhotline

Martin Siegel hält große Stücke auf THT und empfielt diese schon länger zum Kauf. (Kauflimit damals 0,60 CAD)

Was halten Sie von diesem doch dramatischen Kursrutsch bei Thistle? Lohnt es sich möglicherweise zu diesen Kursen nachzukaufen oder sollte man erstmal abwarten? Sind Ihnen die Gründe für diesen Kursrutsch bekannt?

Gruß

Thoemsi

[hpoth]

#Thomemsi,

greife nie in einfallendes Messer, abwarten ist besser bis der Rauch verzogen ist.gruß hpoth

[Leh007]

Also bei dem miserablen Kursverlauf
gibts nur eins : Verkaufen
Lahme Enten sollte man rauswerfen.

[kaepntnemo]

#24-#35
Immerhin haben wir nicht alleine geraetselt:
Analysts were at a loss to give a firm reason for the dramatic fall in the share price, but most speculated that a stubbornly strong rand had raised concerns over the profitability of the group’s marginal South African operations....What Mineweb did glean from McLucas, however, was that an unfavourable report in the Dines Letter, the monthly missive from US-based investment guru Jim Dines, had sparked a stampede of Thistle stockholders looking to exit their positions. “That’s how it goes, isn’t it? He tips you one week and sells you in another, that’s where a lot of this volume is coming from,” said McLucas.
story:
http://www.mips1.net/mggold.nsf/Current/4225685F0043D1B24225…

gruss an alle disteln
-nemo-

[Basic]

So wies aussieht hast du recht Thoemsi, keine Fundamental neue Daten. Der Rand ist schon lange stark. Durch die Empfehlung sind ein paar Stops ausgelöst worden wies aussieht.
Hätte mit durban auch passieren können denk ich war auch auf Messers Schneide.

Hab jedenfalls noch mal zugelangt-

Gruß Basic

[Basic]

Kurve genommen 36 CAD Cent

[Thoemsi]

Thistle Mining Inc. - Success at the Eldorado Massive Project - 6.3 Tonnes of Gold Added to the Resource Category
Thursday November 13, 9:30 am ET

TORONTO, Nov. 13 /CNW Telbec/ - (TSX:THT, AIM:TMG) The directors of Thistle Mining are pleased to announce the discovery of two significant resource blocks in the Eldorado Reef Package at the President Steyn complex in South Africa. The blocks have been identified as a part of the on-going compilation and interpretation of historical data received during 2003. The results to date have arisen from examination of a strike length of 150 metres out of a total area of 2.5 kilometres.

The resource consists of two blocks, totalling 740,000 tonnes with an in-situ grade of 8.5 grammes per tonne. The blocks are situated at the top end of the Northern section of the mine approximately two and a half kilometres from the Steyn Three shaft.

The first block, "Line 65; Block No. 1" comprises vertically stacked thick auriferous reef packages 12.5 metres wide between the EA1 - EA5 units. The North - South strike length of this block is 150 metres. The resource sits between the 52 and 54 levels of the mine site giving a vertical depth of 100 metres.

The second block, "Line 65; Block No. 2" is twenty metres above Block No. 1 and comprises a 15 metre wide reef package developed between the EA7 - EA 7A units. The down dip extension in the East - West direction is 125 metres.

A programme of sixteen drill holes will be undertaken to lift the indicated resource to the measured category, prior to the commencement of mining. It is anticipated that mining of the newly identified blocks, utilising existing infrastructure, will commence in approximately three months time (following completion of an operating mine plan). Once this mining commences, it is estimated that approximately 20,000 tonnes per month will be produced from the blocks. The company has yet to decide whether to expand its own workforce to mine these blocks or to use contract miners at a cost of approximately ZAR 250 per tonne. The ore will be treated at the Southern Section process plant in the short term.

Commenting on the results Mr William McLucas said "This initial discovery covers only a small part of what we currently believe to be a much larger ore body. It is very good news indeed to be able to commence mining from the area in the short term. This high grade ore will be very profitable to treat, even at this prevailing high Rand exchange rate."

Peter Camden-Smith, (M.Sc. (UCT); G.D.Eng. (Wits); M.B.L. (Unisa); Pr.Sci.Nat.) the Company`s independent consulting geologist, commenting on the results to date said "This is a very encouraging start to the programme we planned in late 2002 of targeting the multi million ounce potential of the Eldorado Reef system."

The full report from the Company`s independent geologist will be available shortly on the Company`s web site www.thistlemining.com and on SEDAR.

For further information
Willie McLucas, President and CEO, + 44 131 557 6222, + 44 7836 638 912, [e-mail] or Harvey McKenzie, Chief Financial Officer, [phone], [e-mail]
Renmark Financial Communications Inc.: [phone], Fax : [phone], www.renmarkfinancial.com, Neil Murray-Lyon: [e-mail], Sylvain Laberge: [e-mail]


Source: THISTLE MINING INC.

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@ Basic
Glückwunsch
mit momentan bei 0,43 legt THT eine starke Eröffnung hin. Wurde auch mal Zeit, denn seit gestern ist dieser Wert auf knapp 40% meines Depots angewachsen.... Only who dares wins !!

[Tsuba]

sehr schön.

Nur knapp 40% Depot wär´mir etwas viel.

Knapp 10% genügen mir.

Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

40% sind eigentlich auch zuviel. Ich konnte mich gestern einfach nicht beherrschen, da sind mir noch welche ins Depot geschlüpft...

Ob das so clever war muß sich erst noch rausstellen

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Basic]

Hallo Thomsi,
das hat ja gut geklappt, bei diesem Kurs dürfte erst mal der Boden sein, und dann sehen wo Gold hinmaschiert.

Gruß Basic

[Tsuba]

sehe gerade o,49 Can$ +28%

Hosanna und kreuzigt ihn, liegt dicht beieinander.

Habe heute aber auch etwas Kasse gemacht

Bema damals 1,25 gekauft jetzt für gut 3 verkauft.

Gestern hab ich meine letzten Wheaton verkauft.

WRM damals für ca o,9 gekauft.

Geht nichts über GOLDONLY.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Basic]

Ja Tsuba,
auf die guten alten Zeiten.
Ich frag mich ja,ob die in Sack gehauen haben, als Eigenbrödler irgend wo zocken oder in irgend einem exklusivforum.

na ja was soll. die Pionierarbeit ist sowieso gewesen.

Bin ja mal gespannt ob die 400 geknackt wird.

Gruß Basic

[Tsuba]

Basic,

dieselbe Frage hab´ich mir auch gestellt.

Ich denke, die Variante "als Eigenbrödler" weitergemacht

ist zutreffend.

Die haben gegeben, waren auch aus Eitelkeit Altruisten.

Als sie dann von leuten angemacht wurden, die ihnen nicht

das Wasser reichen konnten, haben sie gegen "Boardregeln"

verstoßen. So als müßte jan Ulrich an seinem Rennrad

zwei seitliche Hilfsräder benutzen.

Gruss

Tsuba

[hpoth]

In der Ruhe liegt die Kraft, hat sich mal wieder gezeigt, die Nerven zu behalten und nicht gleich die Flinte ins Korn zu werfen.gruß hpoth

[Tsuba]

also unter 400 $ ist Gold billig.


Das ist der Stoff aus dem bisher Gewinne

bei den GM generiert wurden.


Bei 500 $ kann man verschiedener Meinung

darüber sein, ob der PoG billig ist.


Deshalb würd´ es mich garnicht freuen, sollte der

PoG nachhaltig über 400 $ steigen.



Mag seltsam klingen für jemand, der fast

zu 100% in GM investiert ist.



Gruss

Tsuba

[Imoen]

Ob teuer oder billig liegt immer im Auge des Betrachters.

[Tsuba]

Ästhetik und manches andere liegt im Auge

des Betrachters.

Soweit sind wir d´accord.

Gruss

Tsuba

[Basic]

hallo Tsuba,
sehe ich genau so. unter 400 müssen noch einige lecker gemacht werden.

Was der Betrachter dann allerdings daraus macht ist noch offen.

Lange Weile will nicht einkehren

[Thoemsi]

Am Freitag gabs leichte Gewinnmitnahmen bei THT nach dem netten Anstieg vom Donnerstag. Es hat doch nicht etwa einer von euch verkauft?!

Was wir jetzt noch brauchen ist ein Rand, der endlich mal schwächer wird. Die Zentralbank in SAF könnte bald an eine Zinssenkung denken, zwecks Inflationsängsten. Naja, schau mer mal....

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Imoen]

Die müsste aber deutlich ausfallen, die letzte ist schneller verpufft als man gucken konnte.

[Tsuba]

also der SA-Rand ist stark gegenüber dem US$.

Seien wir nicht nur Materialisten. Es tut gut

zu erleben, daß der alte Gott noch irgendwo lebt.


Bald wird er wieder unsichtbar (otios),

dann bekommen wir wieder Bimbes vom System.

Als Verrückter lebt es sich wunderbar und keiner

sperrt einen.

Gruss

Tsuba


PS: Außer THT auch CAL beobachten

[Thoemsi]

Tja, THT hat heute (natürlich) eins auf die Mütze bekommen. Sollte das Spielchen morgen fortgesetzt werden, werde ich mir wohl noch ein paar genehmigen, irgendwie mag ich THT
Denn der move vom Donnerstag war mehr als eine technische Gegenreaktion, denke ich jedenfalls...

Hier braucht man halt wirklich Geduld, THT ist eine schwere Geburt Aber genau die lohnen sich am Ende doch....

Gruß

Thoemsi

[hpoth]

Hi, Tsuba
habe am Freitag auch mit einigen Werten Kasse gemacht aber immer nur 50 % Bema gekauf bei 0.62 verkauft 50 % bei 3.19
WRM gekauft bei 0.96 verkauft bei 3.19 auch 50% ,der Rest ist jetzt ohne eigenes Geld gebunden. Gruß hpoth

[hpoth]

# 54
Thoemsi, hoffentlich lohnt es ssich für uns alle bin in diesem Wert auch mit einer großen Stückzahl drin. Gekauft bei 0.15-0.18 habe noch keinen Verlust aber sicher bin ich mir hier aber nicht, ob das mal was wird? Geuß hpoth

[Thoemsi]

Da hast Du ja einen traumhaften Einstand erwischt

Sobald der Rand dreht, werden wir bei THT eine schöne Aufwärtsdynamik bekommen. Ich denke in einem Zeitraum von einem Jahr sollte auf Basis vom jetzigen Niveau mindestens ein Verdoppler drin sein

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Thoemsi]

Na also, es geht doch. And up!!!

[Thoemsi]

@Hpoth

So, ich habe mir das Lips Buch die Goldverschwörung gerade bestellt. bin mal gespannt...

Gruß

Thoemsi

[schuh]

Thoemsi,
das Buch ist top. Ich habe es gestern fertig gelesen.
Seitdem habe ich festgestellt, daß ich zuviel mit Goldminen spekuliere und nicht genügend Gold und Silber zuhause habe.

Aber das wird geändert.

Viel Spaß beim Lesen

[hpoth]

# Eben am besten man hat GM und Gold 50:50, ebenso Silber,
50:50, teilweise beim Silber habe ich es reicht beim Gold noch nicht ,aber auch das wird geändert.
gruß hpoth

[hpoth]

Habe das Buch gleich 10 x geordert und verteile diese Exmplare an Freunde und Familie, auch mein Banker bekommt eins bei der Deutschen Bank.
Gruß hpoth

[hpoth]

THT, jetzt schon wieder unter 0,40, ob jetzt jemand neu nachlegt?,Es hat bestimmt noch Zeit.mfg hpoth

[Thoemsi]

@Hpoth

Bei 0,39 war die Versuchung wieder mal zu groß...

Ist aber nur eine Tradingposition, bei 0,45-0,48 fliegt die wieder raus

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Thoemsi]

Hab gerade von amazon eine mail bekommen, daß das Buch (Die goldverschwörung) verschickt wurde. Somit bekomme ichs erst am Montag....

Bin schon gespannt, denn es scheinen ja alle hier die es gelesen haben hellauf begeistert zu sein...

schönen WE

Thoemsi

[Nevadabob]

Trendseeker -

The THT Management have really done a good job

THT President & CEO - William McLucas, is also Chairman of the Board in Eurasia Gold Corp.

I believe THT hold more than 50% of Eurasia Gold Corp.

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
65 Queens Street West,Suite 1210
Toronto ON Canada M5H 2M5

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Wesite http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)

EGX is very undervalued / oversold...
let`s hike Up at least to the past high...
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-basic.chart?siteid=mkt…

Eurasia Gold Corp. producing a lot of GOLD today
and is 5 times more valuable today than it been
at anytime before...

Producing Gold Mines...
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Through Andas-Altyn LLP, its wholly-owned Kazakh subsidiary,
the company owns and operates its Central Mukur and Myaly
Gold Mine sites.

Eurasia Gold also owns Centramining Limited,
a private company holding the rights to Gold projects
located in the Republic of Kazakhstan.

EGX produced 26,481 ounces in 2002,
a 48% increase is considered very satisfactory...

http://www.eurasiagold.com/goldprod.html

The value today of the two Gold Mines
development and infrastructure would
cost above $40 milj. and its about
10 times the price of the market cap.
which is undervalued and oversold.

Add the value of 59 more Gold deposits with
feasibility studies made by USSR and
explorations for more than 10 years.
---

It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its annual Gold
production incrementally to 60,000 ounces.

This increase will come through increasing the production
capability of the two existing projects, and through
acquisition and development of other
oxide deposits in Kazakhstan.

The Central Mukur and Myaly mining licences host 59 known
zones of oxide mineralization.

Six of these zones were mined during the year 2000.

The remaining zones are at various stages of exploration
or development to ensure continuity of mining operations

The EGX;
Gold production at the Central
Mukur and Myaly mine sites
increased from 17,946 ounces in 2001 to 26,481 ounces in 2002,
a 48% increase is considered very satisfactory.

The cash cost of production in 2002 averaged
US$237 per ounce...

Note. EGX is more than 50% owned by THT
and controlled & managed by THT management...

EGX is oversold / undervalued
Bargain opportunity to get into a low cost Gold Mine Producer...
at very low prices...

EGX is still a low cost Gold producer oversold / undervalued
and trading at a bargain price!

THT may have their own reason to why they don`t give more
than minimum Info about EGX and may want to increase or buy
out the rest of the sharedholders at a low price as possible
in the future, time will tell!

Doesn`t matter what THT`s intentions are, the EGX is still
a bargain low cost Gold Producer at a low share price for
any investor with foresight to get in at a good price, imo!

imo,
Best regards,
NB.

Ps. as an EGX Long shareholder I do from time to time
buying more strategic long share positions in EGX
low cost EGX; Production Gold Mines...

2. dd.. sedar.com...
http://www.sedar.com/csfsprod/data37/filings/00541688/000000…

B.C. FORM 51-901 F
QUARTERLY AND YEAR END REPORT
Incorporated as part of Schedule A
Issuer Details:
Name of Issuer: Eurasia Gold Corp.
Issuer Address: 120 Adelaide St. West, Suite 2215
Toronto, Ontario, M5H 1T1
Issuer Fax No.: [phone]
Issuer Telephone No.: [phone]
Contact Name: Harvey McKenzie
Contact Position: Chief Financial Officer
Contact Telephone No.: [phone]
Contact E-mail Address: [e-mail]
Web Site Address: http://www.eurasiagold.com

For Quarter Ended: 2003/06/30
Date of Report: 2003/08/28
http://www.sedar.com/csfsprod/data40/filings/00568162/000000…

[Thoemsi]

@Nevadabob

"I believe THT hold more than 50% of Eurasia Gold Corp."

You´re right. Thistle owns 52,9% of Eurasia Gold.

[Nevadabob]

FYI. THT, selling 51% interest in EGX / $.25/sh?

..finding posts about that Thistle selling

51% of controll in EGX - is it a rumor

or do you know anything about it,

please, anyone...

No, no no, Thistle would be duncees;

EGX is worth more than 10 times, or 15 x the
undervalued / oversold market value;

it can`t be true - hope not - it would result
in some low quarter$ for the minority remaining
share buyout - its too low, want to hold EGX
to at least $1.25 - 1.75 range and not be
forced out... by some who??

Has held EGX ;ong time and first bought it way above
$0.25 and now be forced out...?

When shall they learn the Gold market,

..its oldtimers here who bought in way above
$.50 and waited a long time for some good
rewards and not peanut buy-outs???

Why can`t thistle at least wait a little longer
at above the buck mark and start negotiate...

why should thistle let it go for so low sh-prxice?

...its not fair - all old timers should start complain
EGX has been trading above $.80 - .90 and this f##.buy-out
is way to low to accept...

consider the hard asset USSR spend more
tax-money than ever to find and make in
to Gold Mines which is on its way to
be a major EGX EURO Gold Producer!!!
Imo. TIA>

Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX @ TSE.com ( TSX )
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

MFG
Nevadabob


http://www.eurasiagold.com/profile.html

[Saccard]

Thistle produziert zu cash costs von US$440, in den nächsten beiden Jahren müßen 300,000 oz für US$310 geliefert werden. Macht also ca. 40 mio negativer cash flow. So billig ist Thistle damit also gar nicht, den für die 105 mio die Thistle damit kostet kann man sich andere Produzenten mit derzeit ähnlich hoher Produktion ganz ohne Risiko kaufen.
Wenn aber alle Projekte (Philippinen) zum Laufen gebracht werden, dürfte Thistle der Hit werden.

Gruß
S.

[Nevadabob]

Eurasia, November 27 traded @ $0.12 / share..

"IMO, AT LEAST 25 CENTS PER SHARE, WHICH WOULD PUT MANY
MILLIONS IN THISTLES BANK, WHICH THEY REALLY NEED..BUT
MORE IMPORTANTLY, EGX WILL FLY ONCE THEY GET THISTLE OUT
OF THEIR HAIR.....

THERE MAY BE WELL OVER 1-2 MILLION OZS IN THE GROUND AT
THE MINE SIGHT.....DO THE MATH? CAN U SAY 1-2 DOLLARS"

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)@ Toronto Stock Exchange


BTW. Freitag, November 28: NYSE schließt bei P.M. 1:00
EST zu Ehren Thanksgiving, Aber die kanadischen Börsen
sind geöffnet,
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Sel…

Gutes Glück mit Ihrem EGX Gold
Mfg,
Nevadabob

[Tsuba]

#69

Saccard,

nehme an Du hast die Produktionskosten selbst

berechnet. Es würde mich interessieren, ob

dafür neuere Quellen als der Geschäfts-

bericht per 30.06.03 zur Verfügung standen.

Ich finde nämlich nichts jüngeres.

Gruss

Tsuba

[Saccard]

Ist ganz einfach, die letzten cash costs waren 400/oz. Jetzt ist aber der Rand in der Zeit um 20% gestiegen. Man kann imemr ca. 50% der Kosten in Südafrika auf Arbeitskosten = Randkosten anrechnen, also ca. 10% Anstieg und damit US$440/oz.

Naja, man sollte nicht vergessen, daß die hohen Kosten ja auch durch Feuer etc. zustandekamen. Aber deutlich über 400 werden wohl sein.

Ich hab mir heute trotzdem `ne 6-stellige Zahl Thistle ins Depot gelegt. Die Minen sind nämlich etwas stark gestiegen und ich hab heute 3/4 meiner Barrick und 100% meiner Newmont pos. gekickt. Apollo Gold fliegt mit 50%+ auch raus. Dafür hab ich mir ein paar Avocets zurückgekauft (5% teurer als mein Verkauf) und eben Thistle.

Interessant finde ich hier Panikverkäufe wie im Horrorfilm, dann schnelle Gegenreaktion und anschließendes langsameres Abdriften auf die alten Tiefs, aber eben nicht drunter.

Gruß
S.

[Nevadabob]

De:
Thistle Mining THT kaufte 5,72 Million additonal
Anteile von EGX. THT halten jetzt 57,7 Million Anteile.
--
Eng:
(Thistle Mining THT bought 5.72 million additonal shares of EGX. THT now hold 57.7 million shares.)
--

Mfg
Nevedabob

[Nevadabob]

Korrektur... THT besitzen jetzt 57,7% von EGX outstanding shares..

Mfg
Nevadabob

[Nevadabob]

EGX berichtete über einen Reingewinn von $169.000, die US im 3. Viertel von 2003 mit einem Reinverlust von $106.000 US im 2. Viertel vergleichen.

--

EGX reported a net profit of $169,000 US in the 3rd quarter of 2003 compare to a net loss of $106,000 US in the 2nd quarter.

Mfg
Nevadabob

[Nevadabob]

Re: EGX Eurasia Gold Corp.

"The total cash cost of production for the first nine months averaged $246 compared with $230 for the corresponding period of 2002 due to the increase in stripping ratio and additional temporary leach pad construction."


Mfg
Nevadabob

[Nevadabob]

EGX reported a net profit of $169,000 US
in the 3rd quarter of 2003...

compare to a net loss
of $106,000 US in the 2nd quarter.
--
A record production of 8,596 ounces of gold
was precipitated during the 3rd quarter of 2003,

compared to 7,328 ounces in the 2nd quarter.

In comparison, the production of gold precipitated
during the 3rd quarter of last year was 8,134 ounces.

387,589 tonnes of ore were placed on the leach pads
in the 3rd quarter of this year,

compared to
354,670 tonnes in the 2nd quarter of 2003
and 358,107 tonnes in the 3rd quarter of 2002.

The Board is continuing with its chosen strategy
of running the Company on an un-hedged basis.

Gold sales for the first 9 months of 2003 amounted
to 17,778 ounces compared

to 14,175 ounces
in 2002 for the same period.

• Gold prices received during the 9 months averaged $350 per ounce.

• Total cash operating cost for the 9 months averaged $246 per ounce.

Note. The total cash cost of production for the first nine months
averaged $246 compared with $230 for the corresponding period
of 2002 due to the increase in stripping ratio and
additional temporary leach pad construction.

• General and administrative expenses were $287,970, equivalent
to $16 per ounce.

On behalf of the Board of Directors
Graham Bevan
President
November 28, 2003

[Nevadabob]

"Thistle Mining bought 5.72 million additonal shares of EGX."

"There will be a race to the last piece of the EGX Golden Cake!

When the light turns green Monday morning;
I`ll go on Full Throttle and try and grab as many Gold-chunks as
possible of the EGX Producing Gold Mines Golden Cake.

Ladies & Gentlemen, - Start - Your - Engines!!

imo,
Good luck! /W "

Mfg,
Nevadabob

[Saccard]

Thistle steht ja bekanntlich nahe der Insolvenz durch Produktionskosten von ca. US$440/oz und 150,000 pro Jahr Vorwärtsverkäufen bei US$310/oz in den beiden nächsten Jahren.

Gehen wir mal von 6.4 Rand/US$ in den nächsten 2 Jahren aus (m.E. dürfte der Durchschnitt weit höher liegen) und US$500/oz Goldpreis. Desweiteren werden die cash costs ohne Feuer und bei höherer Produktion aus dem Norden eher bei US$400 liegen.

Macht also 27 Mio Miese für Thistle in den nächsten beiden Jahren. ABER 70000 oz pro Jahr sind gar nicht gehegt. Die hätten dann Gewinne von $100/oz oder 14 mio in den beiden Jahren.

EGX produziert dann ca. 50000 oz/jahr was bei US$1000/Produktionsunze (sehr sehr konservativ) eine Bewertung von 50 Mio zuläßt. Thistle gehört ca. die Hälfte oder 25 Mio, die jederzeit an der Börse flüssig gemacht werden können.

27 Mio Belastung stehen also 39 Mio an neuen Mitteln gegenüber, so daß thistle auf jeden Fall überleben dürfte.

Dann sollte man noch bedenken, daß Thistle in Zukunft die Produktion deutlich ausweiten können wird (von 220 auf bis zu 600000, Philippinen 200000 oz). Die Präsident Steyn Mine ist zwar absoluter Schrott, aber der nördliche Distrikt ist sehr interessant und hat die meisten Reserven. Und er ist das einzige Verbindungsglied von Target/Target North (Harmony baut evtl. eine 1 Mrd. teure Mine dort) zu den schlechten Free State Minen von Harmony, was interessante Steueraspekte beinhaltet (Target und die schlechten Harmony Minen würden mit den Freddies von Thistle EINE große Mine unter Steueraspekten bilden).

Die Bewertung ist aktuell bei US$22/Reserveunze und US$300/Produktionsunze. Bei den "versprochenen" Produktionszahlen von 600000 ozpa wären es sogar nur US$110/Produktionsunze.
Bei Avocet habe ich zu ähnlichen Zahlen gekauft und der Wert ist derzeit mit 450% im Plus mit einem KGV<10.

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

nur um ein Kontrastprogramm vorzustellen:


Thistle mit 5% im Depot. Stop/Loss 0,00.
(Die Begrenzung auf 5% Depotanteil ist das Stop/Loss)

Zuletzt bei PoG um 390$ zugekauft
kleine Austral-Klitschen

-PSV Perseverance 893934

-St. Barbara SBM 851747

-Batavia BTV 813531

auch alle Stop/Loss 0,00.


Mal seh´n was draus wird.

Allen sei Glück gewünscht!

Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Ja so ist das halt. Die eine Mine schaffts, die andere nicht. CBJ oder CDE war vor 2-3 Jahren auch ein sehr riskanntes Investment das sich heute auszahlt. Das hätte natürlich auch anders ausgehen können....

Aber da CDE inzwischen auch schon überteuert ist habe ich gestern mal 2/3 meiner Position gekickt und werde das Geld nutzen um bei Werten wie THT/Avocet noch was einzusammeln....

@ Tsuba

SBM hatte ich auch mal, Gott sei Dank nur eine Spielzeugposition. Die habe ich dann bei ca. 40% Verlust wieder verkauft, worüber ich mich heute übrigens immer noch freue....

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

offen gesagt, selten war ich mir so unsicher

wie jetzt bei PoG 400, wohin die GM´s

in den nächsten 4 Wochen laufen werden.


Trotzdem bin ich froh, voll in GM´s

investiert zu sein. Sitze auf erheblichen

Buchgewinnen. Fragt sich nur, ob man darauf

sitzen kann.

Sollte das Niveau gehalten werden, werde

ich peu á peu verkaufen. Geht´s rückwärts

halten.

Nach der Erfahrung des letzten Sommers

gibt es selbst am Top Nachzügler.

Auch darauf ein Auge werfen.

So ist das z. B. mit SBM zu verstehen.

Immerhin die drittgrößte AustralMine

in Australischem "Besitz" und mit frischem

Kapital "gespritzt".

Gruss

Tsuba

[Saccard]

irgendwie ist die Idee von den tollen Goldaktien doch längst gestorben, wo man hinsieht nur noch lachhafte Bewertungen.

Wieviel Gewinne machen denn die Silberproduzenten?

Newmont mit über 240 US$/Reserve Unze ist auch extrem teuer geworden, Barrick hat hedge probleme etc.

Von Werten wie Golden Star oder Bema fange ich erst gar nicht an zu erzählen.

Wenn man sich mal ehrlich fragt, ob die Minen noch ein gesundes risk/reward ratio haben, würde ich ganz klar nein sagen. Ich denke mal, daß der Goldpreis ohne die Minen weiterlaufen wird. Silber ist auch extrem interessant geworden. Selbst die spekulativsten Minen versprechen bei einer verzehnfachung von Gold "nur" eine verdreißigfachung (Golden Star und Bema gehören übrigens nicht dazu). Warum nicht physisches Silber mit einer verzwanzigfachung kaufen und ruhiger schlafen??

Es könnte natürlich auch so kommen wie 1974: Gold geht vielleicht bis 450, 500 oder 550, die Minen steigen nochmal 50% und dann gibt`s eine Korrektur bei Gold von 20 oder 30% und bei den Minen von 50 oder 70%. Danach (1/2 oder 1 Jahr Pause) mach Gold fröhlich weiter, verdoppelt und verachtfacht sich, während die Minen 5 Jahre gar nicht mehr laufen.

Schon mal festgestellt, daß immer von sinkender Goldproduktion etc. gesprochen wird, aber KEINE Mine Probleme bei den Reserven hat?
Newmont kriegt ganz klar Probleme. Man hat zwar die besten Explorateure, aber 80 mio pro Jahr reicht bei weitem nicht. Barrick gibt ca. 120 mio aus und produziert weniger, relativ also fast das doppelte.
Harmony plant eine Mine basierend auf fertigen Reserven: 8 Jahre Entwicklung. Die jetzt so tollen Minen in Nevada stammen z.B. von Anfang der 80er. Die südafrikanischen Minen wurden überwiegend in den 60er Jahren entwickelt usw.

Newmont verbraucht zur zeit 9 mio oz pro Jahr an reserven bei eienr Produktion von 7 mio oz (etwas geht eben bei der Gewinnung verloren). 2010 bleiben ohne neue Funde von 83 mio oz Reserven 20 mio oz übrig, die dann noch für 2 Jahre reichen. Soll man solchen Firmen ein KGV von 100 zusprechen? Niemals. Natürlich wird es neue Funde geben, auch die Reserveausweitung durch die Einbeziehung marginaler Erze wird gewaltige Effekte haben. Aber wie weit kann das gehen? High-Grading bei Barrick min. in den letzten 5 Jahren.. Und die ersten 400m tiefen open pits werden ja schon geplant. Will man dann auf 1000m runter gehen? Die Südafrikaner von 4km unter Tage auf 6km?

Eins sollte man aber auf jeden Fall machen: auf irgendeine Art im Goldsektor investiert bleiben, denn das ist der kommende Bullenmarkt.

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

Saccard,

bei irgendeinem Punkt im steigenden PoG

werden die GM´s stehenbleiben, egal wie

hoch der PoG laufen wird. Damit d´accord.


Etwas vergleichbares gibt es bei Öl-Aktien,

weil alle zu wissen glauben, daß der Preis

wieder zurückkommen wird.


Aber daß dieser Punkt beim PoG schon erreicht

ist, glaube ich nicht.

Banal gesagt: Gold war mega-out und muß

erst mega-in sein, bevor die GM-Preise

letztlich stagnieren.


Es ist ja nicht nur Sentiment, es geht

real-wirtschaftlich soviel den Bach runter,

daß einem schwindelig werden kann.


Erst muß HARIBO noch steigen, weil die

GOLD-Bärchen produzieren. Dann erst ist

Ende der Fahnenstange bei den GM´s.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Momentan sehr schwer abzuschätzen wie es weitergehen wird...
Das Gold die nächsten Jahre steigen wird da sind wir uns einig. Silber wird vermutlich sogar noch deutlich mehr zulegen wie Gold, auch da sind wir uns einig.

Aber was machen die Minen?

Die jetzt schon (fundamental) überbewerteten werden träger bei steigendem Gold und fallen stärker bei Korrekturen des PoG. Beim Silber wird es wohl in absehbarer Zeit ähnlich sein, nur das dort die Kursausschläge wie beim Metall stärker sein werden.

Irgendwann (bei welchem PoG wüsste ich auch gerne) werden dann auch die aktuell attraktiv bewerteten Minen dasselbe durchlaufen was die aktuell überbewerteten Jahre davor erlebten: es kommt nämlich zu einer Übertreibung! Wie lange dieses Übertreibungsspielchen weitergespielt wird weiss natürlich keiner. Jedenfalls sollte man zu diesem Zeitpunkt auf keinen Fall zu früh verkaufen, weil das vermutlich der "Hype" dieses Bullenmarktes (zumindest der Hype der GM) sein könnte, bei dem man nicht weiss in wieweit die Überbewertung noch gesteigert wird. Dann raus aus den GM und rein ins Metall (was nicht heißt das man nicht jetzt schon physisches besitzen sollte!!) falls wir dann nicht auch dort schon eine Überbewertung haben....

Und das alles könnte noch gut und gerne 5-10 jahre dauern.

So oder so ähnlich jedenfalls könnte ich mir das gut vorstellen

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Saccard]

Und die Kursziele sind 8000 bis 9000 für Gold und 250 bis 300 für Silber..

Gruß
S.

[Thoemsi]

Gegen die Kurse hätte ich nix einzuwenden, wenngleich mir das etwas übertrieben scheint...

Naja, heut Abend ist mir wieder ein Päckchen THT bei 0,33 ins Depot geschlüpft

[hpoth]

#87
Meinst Du es wäre gut sich so mit THT voll zuladen?Zu den GM dividiere den Londoner GM Preis durchs Gold dann sind wir in etwa bei 4,60 und da sind die Minen nicht mehr billig.Bei diesem Stand begann im Frühjahr 2002 die Korrektur.Gruß hpoth

[Thoemsi]

Du hast vollkommen recht. Viele Minen sind sogar recht teuer. Ich verkaufe momentan auch mehr wie ich kaufe. ich verkaufe teure Werte und kaufe peu a peu günstige. Aber da ich mehr verkaufe als kaufe erhöht sich der cashanteil da ich auch denke das es langsam mal Zeit für einen Rücksetzer ist

[Tsuba]

damit es nicht nur abstrakt bleibt:

habe einen Teil meiner KINROSS vor wenigen

Tagen für ca. 7,5 € verkauft.


Mit dem Erlös diese Woche gekauft:

nochmal THISTLE ca. 0,25 € und

erstmals AFRICANDER LEASE ca. 0,62 €.


Sehe den starken RAND also nicht als Fluch

sondern als Chance




Gruss

Tsuba

[hpoth]

#90
AFL, habe ich auch gekauft und THT habe ich schon sehr lange im Depot,bin mir aber nicht mehr sicher ob es einen Sinn macht THT zuhalten.Was meinst Du,?Du kauftst ja zu also bist Du überzeugt von diesem Wert.,Mir machen die Vorwärtsverkäufe vonTHT Sorgen.
MFG hpoth

[Tsuba]

@Hpoth,

bin von keinem einzigen GM-Wert überzeugt.

Deshalb halte ich 20 unterschiedliche, im

Idealfall gleichgewichtet.


Hedgin gibt es verwerflich und redlich:


Spekulatives und politisch motiviertes Hedgin

wie bei Barrick gehört zur ersten Kategorie.


Hedgin zur Besicherung von Erweiterungsinvestitionen

wie bei Thistle oder auch Western Area zur zweiten.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

@ Hpoth

Jetzt Thistle verkaufen? Never ever!!

Falls der Goldpreis wirklich korrigiert, dann werden da nochmal einige Stücke nachgekauft, wobei ich bezweifle das der Kurs unter 0,30 CAD sinkt. Aber ich bin auch nicht das Orakel von Delphi

THT könnte von dem jetzigen Kursniveau aus fast ein ten bagger werden. Ich bleibe jedenfalls investiert, stop loss 0.00 wie Tsuba immer so schön sagt

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Saccard]

@Thoemsi

Thistle kann kein 10-bagger werden.

Eine Reserveunze kostet gerade mal 20 US$. Exploration in Südafrika bedeutet, daß RICHTIG viel entdeckt werden kann. Mit minimalstem Aufwand 5 oder 10 mio oz z.B., schau dir Avgold an. Thistle ist NICHT President Steyn, nein, die Freddies machen aus Thistle einen Wert von höherer Qualität (was die Reserven betrifft) als Harmony. Besser als Gold Fields` Beatrix.

Wenn der Randkurs mitspielt und Thistle nicht pleitegeht gehe ich von min. 7 mio oz Reserven aus, bei US$120/oz (die Hälfte für das was zur Zeit in Nordamerika bezahlt wird) sind das 840 mio oder eine ver-13-fachung. Nur wird der Goldpreis über die Jahre ja auch weitersteigen, so daß wir am Ende 1000 bis 3000 US$ je Reserveunze sehen werden, bei den 1000US$ wären das ja schon 7 Mrd. oder eine ver-100-fachung.

Alles oder nichts..

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

Hört, hört,

Saccard ist heut´gut drauf.

Der kann auch über Französische Literatur

philosophieren. Saccard ist, wenn mich das

Gedächtnis nicht verlassen hat, ein Bankier

der Franz. Gründerzeit in einem Roman von

??Guy de Montparssant?? oder Emile Zola?.

Jedenfalls nicht der Glöckner von Notre Dame

nach Victor Hugo.


Und das wär´immer noch besser als ein Congenialer

nach Herrn Merz aus Brilon. Obwohl beide gern´

mit Zahlen jonglieren.


Werd´ich jetzt gesperrt!





Gruss aus Köln,

Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

Eurasia Gold Corp. - Strong Bull Trend Start

Video Clip from GATA about GOLD.
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

Marketwatch EGX chart TA Signal Alert -
Strong Bull Trend Start -

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

EGX has started a repeat...

of *** EGX 1996 performance ***

..EGX bigchart TA Alert Signal Strong Bull Start...

http://chart.bigcharts.com/bc3/intchart/frames/chart.asp?sym…

A record production of 8,596 ounces of GOLD
was precipitated during the 3rd quarter of 2003,
compared to 7,328 ounces in the 2nd quarter.

EGX is doing extremely well and making a good profit
as well, compared to a lot of other Gold expl.
companies - who trading 100 times more in market
cap values than EGX?

EGX has plenty of more hard assets Gold Mines
today and should be trading in a much higher
market cap values than in 1996...

a hidden EGX TI - Top trendline
shows the next target closer to $2.00.

- - - - - - - - - -

RE: EURASIA GOLD MINES -

Eurasia Gold Corp. - History...

Statement by the President and CEO: Elmer Stewart

In 1997 the company changed its name to signal the new
focus of its activities and bought Centramining Ltd,
a private company with rights to four
gold projects in Kazakstan.

The following year Eurasia acquired Andas-Altyn for shares.

This brought in two Gold projects,

a resource of 850,000 ozs Gold,

infrastructure with annual leach capacity of
a million tonnes and an operating entity
with 4 years experience in heap leach mines operations

At the beginning of 1999
Ourominas Minerals –
now Thistle Mining –
reversed into the company
via a private placement to raise C$6 million.

These funds are now being used to commence commercial
production at...

Myaly and Central Mukur.

The company is therefore poised on the next phase
of its life with Thistle as controlling shareholder.

http://www.minesite.com/companies/eurasia_gold_corp.htm

- - - - - - -

Today, current EGX...
EURASIA GOLD MINES OPPORTUNITY Start!

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

the history often repeat itself...
EGX has started a repeat...

of *** EGX 1996 performance ***

..EGX bigchart TA Alert Signal Strong Bull Start...

http://chart.bigcharts.com/bc3/intchart/frames/chart.asp?sym…

EGX has more hard assets of precious metal
Gold Mines in current good profitable production
and should be trading in a much higher
market cap values than in 1996...

a hidden EGX TI - Top trendline
shows the next target closer to $2.00,

http://www.eurasiagold.com

Imo.
Mfg - Nevadabob.

[Thoemsi]

@ Saccard

Ich will ja nicht gesperrt werden wie Tsuba , daher darf ich nur Mindestkursziele posten

Der einzige Haken an der Sache ist eben noch der Rand. Jedoch denke ich, daß wir die lows mehr oder weniger gesehen haben....
Wenn der schwächer wird (also Trendwende) steht Thistle ganz schnell bei 1 CAD ohne das der Goldpreis steigen muß.

Mit deinem erwarteten Kursziel für Gold in US$ schaffen wir es vielleicht auch auf 30 CAD

Bis dahin werde ich jedoch nicht mehr mit meinem ganzen Thistlevolumen präsent sein, bei 3 CAD werde ich vermutlich ca. 50% abstoßen

Aber ich hab inzwischen so viel von dem Zeig, da sind 50% auch noch ne Menge Holz

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Thoemsi]

@ Tsuba

Es ist Emile Zola, sofern ich mich recht entsinne....
So, jetzt muß ich aber wirklich mal schlafen

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Nevadabob]

Dec. 10 - Gold $406.30 - Platinum $809.00 - Silver $5.58
The "Paradigm Shift" Into Gold Will Bury The Gold Cartel
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human
stupidity, and I`m not sure about the former." -
-Albert Einstein

GO GATA!!!!!

There was no point in doing any advance writing on Gold
before the close today.
The tide shifted all day long.

Even though the dollar was a bit on the firm side, Gold
began to soar in the early going, rallying to $412.10.

It was very noticeable because it was clear Gold
was taking off irrespective of the action in the dollar
which was hovering around unchanged.

This is just what we want to see as it means we will
have a Gold bull market in all currencies, not just
in dollars.

However, The Gold Cartel, led by Morgan Stanley and
to a lesser extent JP Morgan Chase, had other ideas.

They stopped the rally cold and began to attack.

Their selling induced other selling.

Twice Gold was taken down $1 below unchanged as the
trading session wore on and twice it rallied back
above unchanged.

The cabal was not to be denied.

They wanted a reversal and they got it as they slammed
Gold on the close.

Yesterday a Café member suggested to me The Gold Cartel
was attacking the Gold shares in an effort to dissuade
derivatives buyers and to induce selling in the Gold
futures market.

The thinking was they were doing so because they were
having so much trouble keeping the Gold price from
rising so much.

I didn’t think that was the case.

But, after today’s rout I am not so sure.

It is beginning to smell to me, just like all the other
antics The Gold Cartel has pulled for more than five
years.

I am convinced the bullion dealers in the cabal, who
are short bullion, have large Gold share positions.

We know, for example, JP Morgan Chase recently picked
up an additional 2 million shares of Gold Fields.

It seems very plausible to me the word goes out on rare
occasions to dump these shares to influence
the Gold market.

Along with that SUGGESTION may include input from cabal
headquarters there is going to be a raid on Gold by
the leaders of the pack.

It is a sure-fire way to make money for the bad guys.

What stinks?

First the ludicrous Barron’s article over the weekend
which was so Gold share bearish, i.e., Newmont is
overpriced at $30 per share.

Vet Café members have long heard me tell tales of how
the financial media caters to the whims of the
financial power structure in the United States.

For example, GATA has still not been mentioned one time
in five years by the WSJ, Washington Post, Bloomberg,
etc.

We have been blackballed.

Seems perfectly logical the elitists in The Gold Cartel
would feed John Bary of Barron’s a negative Gold share
story, including THEIR reasons why and then highly
recommend he do the article.

This is often how it is done.

After all, who are Barron`s biggest advertisers?

Where else would Bary have conceived the idea to write
something like that?

In a similar vein, can you imagine Barron’s not writing
a bullish Nasdaq story for five years and then coming
out with a bearish article as it was making 8-year
new highs?

Someone STRONGLY suggested to Bary that he write the
piece and he did.

With so many Gold fund managers and hedge fund managers
long the shares and having had such a good year, it
wasn’t hard to spook many of them out after the selling
binge began yesterday.

Once the avalanche began, fund managers and speculators
dumped shares in panic conditions today.

Hard-earned gains over this past year were thereby
locked in.

The Barron’s piece, which they would have all read, and
the negative share market action got the dirty job done.

Yesterday Gold was up $1.40 and the HUI fell over 9 points.

With Gold up $3 today, the HUI was pummeled for more
than 8 points.

I mentioned to several colleagues, "look at what the cabal
is doing, burying the shares to spook the long futures
players."

By the end of the day, they did just that.
Gold couldn’t hold up.

Ok, so that is that.
What is the bottom line of all this?

To get to the answer we only need go back to the MIDAS
commentary of about 4 months ago:

July 30 - Gold $356.50 down $4.90 - Silver $5.06 down 10 cents
The changing of the norm, or recent past understandings,
is often called a "Paradigm Shift."
The bond collapse may have an entire new arena of big player investors thinking of how to protect their wealth.
Money market funds with a .6% annualized return are not a satisfactory alternative.
Neither is an extremely vulnerable stock market for many.
Gold makes the most sense in this new environment.
There is a strong possibility we are in the midst of a
"Paradigm Shift" in which more and more investors are
turning to Gold all over the world.
Let us hope this is the case and a major factor behind
the sharply rising Gold open interest on Comex.
If so, Gold may not liquidate anywhere near what recent
history dictates.
The surprise could be Gold turns around next week and
makes new highs in a blink for this move.
Meanwhile, Gold open interest could explode into all-time
high ground as Gold runs for $400.
We shall see.
Regardless of how the next few weeks turn out, Gold
REMAINS the historic investment of a lifetime.
At some point in the near future Gold will take off
and never look back.
That is why I stay fully positioned in my Gold shares
and gold physical holdings.
Setbacks are opportunities to build on those positions….
-END-

And that is just the way I feel today with Gold $50 HIGHER!!!!!!

There is, and has been, a "Paradigm Shift" as far as
investing in Gold is concerned.

Café members have a sense of that from the material
presented in MIDAS commentary.

Gold demand is surging all over the world.

The Gold Cartel is having a very difficult time keeping
the Gold price from exploding.

While we could have a short-term price hiccup, the Gold
price is going MUCH higher.

As I keep on saying, The Gold Cartel is in BIG TROUBLE.

Because of the strong physical market, Gold has been
a Steady Eddie all the way up:

Gold daily
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/24

If the cabal can’t smash Gold down tomorrow,
Gold could accelerate very quickly to the upside in
the days to come.

The Gold Cartel will give it all they have left the
next two days.

If they have failed to take Gold down from this level
by late Friday, look out.

Gold spent much of this trading session above $410.

If it were to close there at month’s end, it would be
the SECOND HIGHEST MONTHLY CLOSE IN ALMOST 14 YEARS!!!

If that occurs, all kinds of bells and whistles are
going to go off which will further enhance
"Paradigm Shift" thinking as far as Gold demand is
concerned.

Monthly gold (last highest monthly gold close
was $412.40 in January 1990)
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/M

The Gold open interest rose 354 contracts to 276,302.

With Gold hanging mid-session at a 14-year monthly high close territory, the open interest is 20,000 less than it was
weeks ago with the Gold price $15 to $20 lower.

The physical market, not the specs, is taking Gold to these
lofty multi-year levels.

Morgan Stanley hammered silver down from its highs.

Still, for all Morgan’s selling lately, they have not
received much bang for their buck.

Years ago, even months ago, silver would have tanked
20 cents on a day like this.
However, silver did close 12 cents off its high of $5.70.
The silver open interest gained 364 contracts to 103,100
and is 12,000 less than it was 20 cents ago.
I don’t have a handle on the physical silver market, but
suspect the cash market is driving this one too.

The Crystal ball ~
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

What I have discovered is that Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
is increasing their Gold Production.

EGX is undervalued and oversold.
Check out these charts:
all data:
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

The upper trend line is very interesting and I strongly believe we
will be at $2 not too far away from now.

1 Year
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

- Need I mention the increasing activity and high volume?

DD.
Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V) - The Gold Producer
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX Exceptional BUY ~
Gold Mine Security ~
http://ichart.yahoo.com/z?s=EGX.V&t=my&q=c&l=on&z=l&p=e200&a…

PS.
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

imo, All the Best, Nevadabob

[Thoemsi]

So macht eine Korrektur Spaß!! Denn die ganzen SA- Minen fallen ja gar nicht, im Gegenteil. Vor allem Africander Lease macht Freude
Heute heißt es bei mir jedenfalls wieder Thistle akkumulieren

[Nevadabob]

EURASIA GOLD MINES Strategic Au/Gold Euro Production...



http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

EGX has started a repeat...

of *** EGX 1996 performance ***

..EGX bigchart TA Alert Signal Strong Bull Start...

http://chart.bigcharts.com/bc3/intchart/frames/chart.asp?sym…


EGX Gold Mines in Kazakhstan A record production of GOLD Au 8,596 ounces of GOLD
was precipitated during the 3rd quarter of 2003,
compared to 7,328 ounces in the 2nd quarter.

EGX is doing extremely well and making a good profit
as well, compared to a lot of other Gold expl.
companies - who trading 100 times more in market
cap values than EGX?

EGX has plenty of more hard assets Gold Mines
today and should be trading in a much higher
market cap values than in 1996...

a hidden EGX TI - Top trendline
shows the next target closer to $2.00,

http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

http://www.eurasiagold.com

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[Khampan]

So, hab gerade mein neues Internaxx-Depot mit einer schönen Portion Thistle eingeweiht.

Khampan

[Tsuba]

Khampmann,

Internaxx deckt schön die KaffernMinen ab,

die über Canada gespielt werden, wie z. B. Thistle.

So was wie Internaxx such ich noch für Australien.

Im Moment werden noch die Minen in beider Amerika

gespielt. Dann -denk ich- wird SA wieder dran sein.

Aber danach wird wohl Australien kommen (werden).

Die machen zur Zeit vieles richtig mit geringem

Aufwand, was Zukunft hat.


Gruss

tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Market Regulation Services - Trading Halt - Thistle Mining Inc. - THT
Monday December 15, 10:28 am ET

TORONTO, Dec. 15 /CNW/ - The following issues have been halted on the Market Regulation Services:


Issuer Name: Thistle Mining Inc.
TSX Ticker Symbol: THT
Time of Halt: 10:14 a.m. EST
Reason for Halt: Pending News

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Na was ist denn da los? Bin mal gespannt, wann weitergehandelt wird und ob THT dann auf 0,40 zuschiesst oder auf 0,20 abstürzt....

[Thoemsi]

So jetzt ist es draußen, und bis 11.45 Uhr vom Handel ausgesetzt!
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Market Regulation Services - Trade Resumption - Thistle Mining Inc. - THT
Monday December 15, 11:19 am ET

TORONTO, Dec. 15 /CNW/ - Trading resumes in:


Issuer Name: Thistle Mining Inc.
TSX Ticker Symbol: THT
Resumption Time: 11:45 a.m. EST
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Press Release Source: THISTLE MINING INC.

Thistle Mining Inc. Raising CAN $40 - 45 million in a Private Placement - Proceeds will be used to Increase Unhedged Gold Production
Monday December 15, 11:00 am ET

Not for distribution to U.S. news wire services or dissemination in the United States.
MONTREAL, Dec. 15 /CNW Telbec/ - Thistle Mining Inc. (TSX: THT and AIM: TMG) is pleased to announce today that it intends to enter into a private conditional placement agreement with Canaccord Capital (Europe) Limited, to place a minimum of 133,334,000 units, up to 150,000,000 units at CAN $0.30 cents before expenses, (equivalent to pounds sterling 0.13). Each unit consists of one common share and one half of one common share purchase warrant. Each full warrant will have a term of five years at an exercise price of CAN $0.45. The closing date is anticipated to be on or about January 9, 2004.

The proceeds of the offering will be used to provide working capital for the Company and, in particular, to finance the development of the recently announced discovery at the "Massives" project, now known as Project 10 in the Northern Section of the President Steyn complex in South Africa. Production is expected to commence from Project 10 during February 2004 as the access is already fully developed and mechanised mining machinery will have been installed.

The feasibility study on the Masbate project in the Philippines is progressing well with initial pit designs expected to be completed during the first quarter of 2004.

The offering is subject to certain conditions including, but not limited to, satisfactory due diligence by Canaccord and receipt of all necessary approvals including regulatory approvals.

This announcement has been issued by Thistle Mining Inc. and has been approved solely for the purposes of Section 21 of the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000, by Canaccord Capital (Europe) Limited.

The securities offered have not been registered under the U.S. Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and may not be offered or sold in the United States absent registration or an applicable exemption from the registration requirements. This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy nor shall there be any sale of the securities in any State in which such offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.



http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/orgDisplay.cgi?okey=7619

For further information
Willie McLucas, President and Chief Executive Officer, [e-mail], [phone] or [phone]
In Canada: Harvey McKenzie, Chief Financial Officer, [e-mail], [phone]
Renmark Financial Communications Inc,: [phone], Fax : [phone]
Neil Murray-Lyon : [e-mail], Sylvain Laberge : [e-mail]


Source: THISTLE MINING INC.

[Basic]

Schon erstaunlich der vorauseilende Gehorsam CAN Dollar 0.30
Bei Sinogold ist der Kurs erst nach Bekantgabe einer Kapitalerhöhung auf 2,5 AUD gefallen.

Gruß Basic

[Khampan]

@ Basic, Thoemsi, Tsuba

besteht eurer Erfahrung nach Aussicht, noch welche unter 0.30 CAD zu bekommen?
Lief am Freitag doch so gut

Khampan

[Khampan]

seh grad, es geht schon weiter.
Kurs 0.32 CAD

[Thoemsi]

wo bekommst Du RT- Kurse für Toronto?

Bei mir gehts noch nicht weiter

[Khampan]

tja, wieder mal Internaxx, sach ich nur.
Khampan

[Thoemsi]

So, letzte Tranche ins Depot eingebucht, jetzt kanns von mir aus hochgehen....

Thistle ist die billigste Aktie die man momentan im Goldsektor kaufen kann. und was anderes außer Gold kommt mir die nächten Jahre eh nicht ins Depot!!

So eine große Gewichtung auf einem Wert hatte ich bisher noch nie! Glück und Erfolg sei uns allen gewünscht.

Alles oder nichts.....

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Khampan]

ziehe meine Frage #107 zurück und bedanke mich bei allen, die diesen Thread so weit vorangebracht haben. Sehr gute und hilfreiche Infos!

Khampan

[Nevadabob]

Dec. 15 – Gold $408.70 - Platinum $821.00 - Silver $5.61
Gold Derivatives Neutron Bomb Ignition Cannot
Be Far Off

Everything may be taken from us except the last
of the human freedoms-our ability to choose our own
attitude in any situation....
-Victor Frankl

GO GATA!!!

The effect on Gold from the capture of Saddam Hussein
was BRIEF indeed.

As soon as Gold opened in Australia/Asia, it was trounced
for $8+.

It gradually crept back close to half of that when the
Comex opened.

Right on cue, it filled Friday’s gap to the tick
at $404.10 and gradually worked its way higher
all session long.

Near the end of the day Gold rocketed above unchanged,
rising $1.60 on the session when the cabal’s Goldman
Sachs and Morgan Stanley struck, shoving it back
down $2 on the bell.

Before the increasingly desperate Gold Cartel showed up,
Gold was working on another key reversal outside
day to the upside.

In Sunday’s special MIDAS, I posited some Gold producers
were likely to show up to buy the anticipated
break towards $400.

I suspect that is what happened as Goldman Sachs was
a featured buyer all morning long, until late in the
day when they turned seller.

Most likely, Goldman received a big order from a producer
to buy the dip.

Then, when Gold was getting out of hand on the upside
and rising more than $6 off its lows (a variation of that
$6 rule again), they probably received orders from
Gold Cartel headquarters to knock it down.

Any way you cut it, today’s comeback after the Saddam
capture is very constructive for the gold bull camp
and devastating to the cabal and other gold shorts.

In the end the Saddam affair is now a big negative for
the cabal as Gold’s ability to run away from the
$400 area on so-called bearish news becomes a BIG
technical positive.

It reinforces the low $400 area as the floor for Gold
and suggests the path of least resistance for
the Gold price is higher, MUCH higher.

Since Friday’s gap was filled, we still have the breakaway
gap ahead of us.

It is remarkable how Gold continues to grind higher.

The cabal has resisted the move all the way up, yet
is losing more and more battles and will soon lose
their Gold War.

Today’s stunning comeback also makes it more likely
the Gold derivatives neutron bomb will go off in the
near future.

The fuse is clearly lit.
It is only a question of how long the fuse is.
Gold has shown its mettle above $400.

This has to have the credit committees of the major shorts
in a twit.

Panic buying by the substantial Gold derivatives shorts
could be right around the corner.

The mainstream Wall Street pundits have to be scratching
their heads after today’s Gold, dollar, oil and stock
market action.

Gold was supposed to crash.
Instead it closed only slightly lower.

Oil was supposed to tank several dollars.
It finished at $33.08 per barrel, up a nickel.

The dollar was supposed to put in a big rally.
It failed after coming in a good deal higher, ending up
unchanged at 88.49.

The euro rose .12 to 122.75.
One pundit on Sunday raved the stock market could
rally 1000 points.

It closed down on the day after opening a good deal higher.

Knock on wood!
So far my commentary in the Sunday MIDAS Special is right on:

Any Gold Setback From The Saddam Capture Should Be Brief

Tomorrow will be a wild one.

My guess is the US stock markets will make blow-off highs,
ones that might last for years, the dollar will make a
near-term correction high and Gold will make a spike
correction low.

It won’t be long before Gold turns right around and is
making 14-year highs.

***

CARTEL CAPITULATION WATCH

The stock market action was dreadful. After a sharply higher
opening, the DOW sank the rest of the day, closing at 10023,
down 19. The DOG was quicker to go south. It was really weak,
falling 31 to 1918. It has rejected DOG 2000 several times.
To do so today on supposedly good news for the market is
especially negative.

The dollar could crater at any time. Perhaps market players fear
it will finally catch up to the US stock market and send it
tumbling too?

More disappointing economic news:

Wal-Mart omen? Dec. sales at low end
Trend toward gift cards pushes sales past Christmas

By Jennifer Waters, CBS.MarketWatch.com
Last Update: 12:02 PM ET Dec. 15, 2003

CHICAGO (CBS.MW) -- In what could be a harbinger of
overall 2003 retail holiday results, Wal-Mart said Monday
that December receipts are tracking near the low end of its
own forecasts as consumers put off purchases and turn to
gift cards for presents.

As a result, Wal-Mart cautioned that sales at stores open
longer than a year -- an industry benchmark known as
same-store sales -- were likely to be closer to a 3 percent
gain over last year`s than the 5 percent high end of the
range it has offered.

-END-

G’day Bill,
A mere coincidence?

The capture of Saddam is welcome news.

However, the question is raised – has he been the Commander
in Chief of the Iraq Resistance?" or was his capture timed
for the Dow to break 10,000?
I suspect the latter.
All day the media spin was that "Gold is going down",
even the late news when the Gold price was making
its recovery.
Last nights recovery in the Gold price was simply astounding.

We live in very interesting times!!!!!
Och aye
Haggis

More anecdotal evidence why gold demand is on the increase:

From www.chinadaily.com

Jeweler to launch gold for investment
(2003-12-15 14:00) (eastday.com)

Shanghai Laofengxiang Co Ltd, the largest and oldest jeweler
in the city, will issue 654.64 kilograms of gold bars and
nuggets on Saturday, becoming the first local jeweler
to offer investment-grade gold.

Laofengxiang plans to sell 99.99 percent pure gold bars
or nuggets in three sets to celebrate its 155th anniversary
this year. The firm will offer 155 one-kilogram gold nuggets,
the heaviest of its new offerings, at six of its 36 outlets
in the city from Saturday and booking starts today.

"The investment-grade bullions will not only meet the demand
of gold investors but can be a good alternative as a present
or for collection," said Wang Ensheng, vice general manager
of Laofengxiang….

The retail price of the bars will be between 118 yuan
(US$14.22) a gram and 125 yuan a gram. The price for 99.99
percent pure gold finished at 108.28 yuan a gram on
the Shanghai Gold Exchange last Friday.
Customers can sell these products back to Laofengxiang
when they want to cash out. But they have to wait three
months starting from today before they can do so.

The buy-back price is dependent on the previous day closing
price on the Shanghai Gold Exchange, the country`s sole
gold exchange. No commission fee will be charged.
Laofengxiang is the second firm to issue investment-grade
gold in the city, after China Gold Coin Inc, the country`s
sole wholesaler of gold bars and coins.

Shanghai Gold Coin Investment Co Ltd, the distributor of
China Gold Coin, had also planned to issue investment-grade
gold bars for the coming "Year of the Monkey" according
to the Chinese lunar calendar in Shanghai at the beginning
of this month. However, the issue was delayed to last weekend.
Shanghai Gold Coin said they will be able to provide less
than 40 kilograms of bullions to the local market.

"It is because consumers from north China have almost booked
most of the bars, draining our stocks to provide gold bars
to customers in Shanghai," said Chen Kui, vice general
manager of Shanghai Gold Coin.

Shanghai Laomiao Jewelry Co Ltd, another major local jeweler,
is also planning to issue gold bars for the "Year of the Monkey"
before the end of the year, said Zhou Min, a senior
executive of Shanghai Laomiao.
-END-

The IMF on Gold

“The IMF`s gold reserves are a fundamental strength
in its financial position, giving it increased
credibility and the capacity to assist its broader
membership in crisis situations.”

The Crystal ball ~
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

EGX - Breakout!!
EGX - is very undervalued.
EGX - The Gold Producing Treasure Chest
Have a look at the charts:
all data:
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

The upper hidden trend line aiming at $2 not too far away from now.

1 Year
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

- Need I mention the increasing activity and high volume?

DD.
Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V) - The Gold Producer
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX Exceptional BUY ~ Gold Mine Security ~

~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

imo, Nevadabob

[Nevadabob]

Dec. 16 – Gold $407.20 - Platinum $822.00 - Silver $5.59
The Dollar Falls, So Does Gold

Those entrapped by the herd instinct are drowned in
the deluges of history. But there are always the few
who observe, reason, and take precautions, and thus
escape the flood. For these few Gold has been the
asset of last resort...
Anthony P. Sutton

GO GATA!!!

One of those frustrating days.
As has been the case for much of the last $100 move up
in the price, Gold did exactly the opposite of what it
should have done in a free trading market.

I say that because of yesterday’s dramatic upside
reversal on supposedly Gold negative news
(the Saddam capture).

If the Gold price weren’t being capped by The Gold Cartel,
it would have followed through on the upside to some
degree.

One of the most boring commentaries from Gold reporters
et al. is their blind attribution of any Gold price rise
to a dollar fall.

It doesn’t matter what other factors are contributing
to Gold`s rise, they always comment on the dollar`s fall.

They do it so much, many commentators do the reverse when
Gold sells off.

They blame it on a dollar rise.

Bill Griffith of CNBC was guilty of falling in that trap today.

He mentioned Gold was lower because the dollar had rallied.

Then he pointed out the euro and yen charts, which showed
both currencies higher on the day.

The dollar closed at 88.74, down .14 and the euro rose .31
to 123. Oops!

The Gold/dollar reporting is not so aggravating on days
when Gold goes up.

In general it only reveals the laziness of those reporting
on the Gold market and their lack of understanding of what
is really going on.

Days like this however, when Gold is sent down by the cabal
as the dollar weakens further on normal follow through
after yesterday’s sharp comeback, are particularly grating.

Gold closed near its lows for one of the rare times recently.

Not sure what it means.
The good news is, while Gold never is allowed to break out
when it should from a technical standpoint, it continues to
rebound after setbacks, which is why we keep making new highs.

The Gold open interest rose 4756 contracts to 281,946.

New buying took Gold up.
The Gold Cartel was digging in, not covering.

Silver wanted to go up, but was dragged down by the poor
Gold action.

The silver open interest rose 554 contracts to 103,337.

March copper continues on a tear, closing at $1.005 cents
per pound.

The John Brimelow Report

Tuesday, December 16, 2003

Indian ex-duty premiums: AM $3.12, PM $3.07, with world
gold at $409.50 both times. Moderately below legal import
point.
Today is the 11th business day in which India has faced
world gold over $400 (and also the day of the highest
prices during this period). It spent only 12 days in the
$390s in November.

Following gold’s recovery in NY yesterday, bullion spent
most of this morning in Asia testing $410 spot. TOCOM
continued quite indifferent: volume slipped 15% to only
the equivalent of 24,059 Comex lots and open interest fell
again, by the equivalent of 1,511 Comex contracts to equal
128,267 Comex. The active contract did rise 18 yen to a three
month high and world gold was $1 above NY’s close at the
end, but clearly the impetus in the Far East this morning
came from elsewhere. The Shanghai Gold Exchange is still
showing small premiums to world gold. (NY yesterday
traded 45,165 lots; open interest rose 4,756 contracts to
281,946 contracts.)

Most Dealer commentators appear very impressed that gold
refused to break down yesterday, with Standard London’s
assessment being representative:

"Gold reacted to Saddam’s capture with a typical knee-jerk
sell off in Asia with the price falling sharply to the day’s
low of $401.75 but found willing buyers from the physical
sector….The Funds (and other longs) will be encouraged
by the ease with which gold held above the bottom end
of the $400 - $410 trading range and could now look to
generate a break above the upper parameter, with key
resistance located at $415 the likely target."

Yesterday, Standard quite correctly noted that gold has been
moving up this year in $10 increments, with $410 being the
current ceiling. With the key physical buyers active only
$5 or so below this, it seems inevitable that another
retreat by this staunch rearguard will eventually occur.
Those with any openness of mind or curiosity about
why this odd pattern has occurred are urged to read
Mike Bolser’s lucid presentation on

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_03/bolser121703.html

which seems likely to become a classic text in Financial
Market history.

Meanwhile students of the thinking of Andy Smith will be
interested to see that this highly intelligent and alert leader
of the gold bears seems to be about to emit one of his rare,
and usually very accurate, bull calls.

Most of the friends of gold (especially those not brought
up in the Westminster Parliamentary tradition) find Smith
intensely irritating: but the fact is his rare excursions onto
the bullish side have been extremely well judged – notably
immediately post-Washington Accord and again post 9/11.

This all contrasts weirdly with the sickly performance of the
gold equities. Yet the contrast is easy to understand.
Reportedly the gold shares have been owned immensely
heavily by hedge funds. Why would anyone getting paid
on 12/31 hang around to see if gold can break through to
a startling 16 year high (which is what gold will be achieving
if it puts in another $10 band rise)? Book profits now,
probably re-establish the position in January, would
seem to be the rational, if selfish, policy. For longer term
(and crucially, more commonly rewarded) investors, this
would seem to be a major opportunity.
JB

The IMF on Gold

“The IMF`s gold reserves are a fundamental strength
in its financial position, giving it increased
credibility and the capacity to assist its broader
membership in crisis situations.”

The Crystal ball ~
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

Remember when the Gold took off in 1979-1980?
It`s happening again, Right Now!
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

EGX is undervalued and oversold.
Have a look at the charts:
all data:
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

1 Year
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

Increasing activity and high volume!

EGX trading under 15 cents/share and soon to the moon..

DD.
Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V) - The Gold Producer
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp. @ The Toronto Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

imo, Best Wishes,
MfG Nevadabob

PS.
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

[hpoth]

Die Goldproduktion wurde in 2002 fast verzehnfacht,im Jahr 2001 wurden 20.000 oz und im Jahr 2002 wurden 189.907 oz
gefördert und trozdem ist bei dem Kurs nicht viel gelaufen.
Die neuen Goldfunde auf den Philippinen, das Masbate-Projekt soll ja 2005 in Produktion gehen.Eine Durchfürhbarkeitsstudie soll für das 286 km vor der Hauptstadt Manila gelegene Projekt bis April 2004 vorliegen und die Konstruktion der Anlage bis Feb.2005 abgeschlossen sein.In der Planung sind dort 200.000 oz ,Goldreserven 1,7 Mio Unzen,Goldressourcen: 5 Mio.
Insgesamt wird auf Sicht der nächsten Jahre eine Goldproduktion von 500.000 Unzen Gold jährlich angestrebt,
Es ist auch eine Kapitalerhöhung geplant, es sollen bis zu 150 Mio neue Aktien zum Preis von 0.30c$ heraus gegeben werden und mit einem Warrant zum Bezug je 0,5 einer weiteren Aktie.
Die Vorwärtsverkäufe konnten von 760.000 oz Gold auf rund 540.000 gesenkt werden, das ist eine Produktion von knapp 2 Jahren.
Zur Zeit wird noch mit Verlust gearbeitet.Die Schlüsselfunktion hat aber der starke Rand,seit rund andertalb Jahren ist der Rand zum US$ erheblich gestiegen,hier bei kam der Gewinn zwischen den Mühlsteinen.
Schönen ´´Tag hpoth

[Thoemsi]

Die Schlüsselfunktion hält langsam aber sicher den Rand

[Leh007]

Hi,

suche einen längerfristigen Goldpreischart in Rand??

[ulfur]

Wie wär´s mit yahoo

Kürzel:
XAUZAR=X

[Leh007]

Klappt super,

die Firma dankt.
Heute gehts weiter nach oben.
Siehe Kitco

Tschüß

[Nevadabob]

Dec. 17 – Gold $411.30 - Platinum $838.00 - Silver $5.68
Gold/Silver Make New Multi-Year Highs, Few Care Or Notice
(How Bullish Is That!)

Gold would have value if for no other reason than
that it enables a citizen to fashion his financial
escape from the state... William F Rickenbacker

GO GATA!!!

Spent the early morning scratching my head.

Oil was roaring towards $34 per barrel and the dollar
was continuing its streak towards oblivion.

Yet, while silver showed early strength left over
from yesterday, Gold could barely stay above unchanged
and the Gold shares were hit hard again.

It made no sense.
That is just the way it is sometimes in the markets.
Meanwhile the bonds, of all markets, were screaming to
the upside and breaking out of a pennant formation.

It seemed to me certain markets were becoming unmoored
from reality.

Finally, the Gold bulls woke up and bought bullion with
a vengeance late in the session.

It closed in 8-year high ground and is within another dollar
of closing in 14-year high ground.

Incredibly, Gold is doing so with little fanfare.

Of course, the GATA camp knows why.
Wall Street and the financial media hate Gold.
They do all they can to deprecate its value to the
financial system and to diminish the importance of
its price rise.

The reasons why have been brought to your attention
in this column for a very long time.

What smiles this brings to the GATA camp.
We have been right all along and we are the ones who
are winning the day.

Boy does the establishment hate that.
Wait until the Gold scandal breaks!
They are going to get their just deserts for ignoring
a blatant fraud.

Some key Gold points:

*Gold has closed above $400 for 13 trading sessions in a row.
$400 has become a base.
Gold is running away from that base.

*Gold traded through and right below $410 for 8 sessions
in a row in very tight trading range fashion.
It now appears ready to blow out of this area.

*14-year highs are right around the corner.
All we need is a take out $417.

*Astonishingly, there are still no gaps to fill.
The big breakaway gap is still to come.

*There is little belief in the Gold share world about
Gold taking off from $400 and that it is going to run
to the upside any time soon.

They have been selling off the shares for weeks.
This is bullish as many of the sellers are going
to come charging back in all at the same time.

It will fuel Gold fever in the days and weeks ahead.

*The Gold Cartel keeps shooting themselves in the foot.

Because they don’t allow Gold to spike at all
($6 rule and all), the physical market never dries up.

Once Gold has risen to new price highs, the cash buyers
back off a bit.

They then get used to the new price level, which is only
modestly higher than the old one, and buy dips.

There is so much competition for the available physical
supply, they cushion cabal-induced setbacks and Gold goes
on to make newer highs.

Had The Gold Cartel not capped the market all the way up,
the cash market might have dried up for weeks at a time
after price spikes and the cabal might have turned the
large specs into sellers, sending the Gold price cascading.

*The large and small specs have been right all the way
and the Commercials have been wrong.

Most of the mainstream commentary all year predicted the
large and small specs would get killed.

It has been the other way around.

The mainstream Gold world got it bass-ackwards because
they refused to deal with the cabal`s Gold price
manipulation.

The market was rigged and the riggers are running out
of physical Gold to continue their fraud.

It is only a matter of time before we get our
long-awaited Commercial Signal Failure and the
massive shorts get slaughtered, forcing them to cover
in panic market conditions.

*The daily Gold chart is a beauty:

http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/24

*The Gold Cartel’s price-capping efforts for the
last $80 to $130 of gold`s move have failed.

Their $6-rule antics have curtailed any dramatic
daily Gold moves.

They have kept option volatilities down as the
exploding high volatility numbers caused many of
the serious market problems after the Washington
Agreement.

In doing so, they have assured their own doom by
setting up a situation in which the Gold fireworks
will kick in at much higher levels than they
normally would have.

This is when the Gold derivatives neutron bomb
goes off!

Silver is on the move.
It closed in multi-year high ground and looks explosive
technically.
There are no gaps in silver to fill either.
The move up has been a grinding one.
$6 is a lay-up. The only question is how long it takes
silver to reach $7 per ounce.
It could happen in a blink.

Daily silver
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/SV/34

The CRB shot back to 261.35, up 2.04.

Besides Gold and Silver, crude oil, natural gas and
Platinum led the way.

Platinum closed at $838, up $16.
First Platinum at this price, then Gold.

This news sparked the crude move:

Bloomberg) -- Crude oil rose to a nine-month high after
an Energy Department report showed a larger-than-expected
decline in U.S. inventories last week.
Supplies fell 5.1 million barrels, or 1.8 percent, to
272.8 million barrels in the week ended Dec. 12, according
to the report. Stockpiles were at the lowest level since
the week ended March 14. Analysts surveyed by Bloomberg
expected an average decline of 1.1 million barrels.
Supplies were 4.9 percent below year-earlier levels.
``The market flipped out after the release of the numbers,``
said Steve Bellino, a trader at Fimat USA Inc. in New York.
``We are looking at historically low levels of crude oil,
which can`t be good.`` –END-

Jan crude oil finished the day at $33.35, up 46 cents
per barrel. JAN nat gas closed at $7.115, up .112 per mmBtu.

The IMF on Gold

“The IMF`s gold reserves are a fundamental strength
in its financial position, giving it increased
credibility and the capacity to assist its broader
membership in crisis situations.”

The Crystal ball ~
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

Remember when the Gold took off in 1979-1980?
It`s happening again, Right Now!
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

EGX is undervalued and oversold.
Have a look at the charts:
all data:
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

1 Year
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

Increasing activity and high volume!

EGX trading under 15 cents/share and soon to the moon..

DD.
Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V) - The Gold Producer
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp. @ The Toronto Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

imo, All the Best! MfG!
Nevadabob

[Tsuba]

NiveaCOP schreibt eine ähnliche Diktion

wie früher P. Wedemeier.

Es war einiges richtige an dem was

Wedemeier schrieb. Auch das paßt.

Was Thistle angeht, kann man meinen

es sei der Thistle völlig egal,

was die Anleger über die Aktie

denken. Die wälzen die Braut

in der Lehmgrube, bevor sie zum

Traualtar geführt wird.

Die ist entweder so schön, daß es

es keiner wissen darf.

Oder hat ne weiche Birne.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Die Notenbank Südafrikas hat am 11.12.2003 überraschend ihren Leitzins um 50 Basispunkte auf 8 % gesenkt (man hatte allerdings mehr erwartet). Um die Hausse des Rand gegenüber dem US$ zu bremsen, hatte die Zentralbank ihren Leitzins seit Juni bereits um insgesamt 5 % zurückgenommen.
Also ich denke so langsam sollte man erste Anzeichen wahrnehmen können. Nächtes Jahr wird der Rand deutlich
fallen.

Die letzten 5 Tage



Gruß

Thoemsi

[Nevadabob]

Dec. 18 - Gold $409.90 - Platinum $826.00 - Silver $5.68
THE STALKER Strikes With More To Come

"Courage is being scared to death -
but saddling up anyway."
- John Wayne

Oil continued its trek towards $34 per barrel,
holding its recent high ground.

The dollar continued its downhill path, finishing
at 88.24, down .06, as the euro continued to streak,
rising to 124.05, up .35.

Morgan Stanley did what it could to punish silver,
but got nowhere.

Silver came all the way back from an early 12 cent hole.

None of this stopped The Gold Cartel from doing all
they could to prevent Gold from going into 14-year
new high ground closing territory.

Right off the bat the cabal slammed Gold, taking it
down $4.60 at one point.

Buyers seemed to have disappeared for awhile, preferring
to see how much damage Gold Cartel forces could do.

That’s when THE STALKER (a "Gold buying group"), showed
up again and began buying.

Gold then rallied to only down $1 on the day before
drifting lower on the close.

This is the fourth time I have received a specific call
from my STALKER source.
What I learned:

*Turns out THE STALKER has not bought as much as I thought
he had so far, but he still has accumulated over $5 billion
worth of bullion.

*This buying group plans to buy $1.4 billion to $3.4 billion
more Gold if they can get it before the price goes bonkers.

At the moment, this group is in the US market, picking up
Gold where they can.

*The orders are coming out of Australia.

*It is believed they are for the Chinese.

*THE STALKER has acquired its own refinery.

The concern is buying Gold in size will be more
difficult next year.

Each time I have brought this secretive "Gold buying group"
to your attention the past many months, Gold has popped.

We shall see if it happens again.
One thing for sure, if my information is correct, and so
far it certainly appears that it is, Gold corrections
will continue to be shallow and short-lived.

There are too many buyers out there for a supply which
is gradually dwindling.

THE STALKER input has been very helpful to understand
why Gold is trading the way it is.

The Café Sentiment Indicator also has been very useful.

It remains about a 5, a neutral.

With all the gains Gold has made, the public remains
oblivious to what is happening.

What is most surprising to me is even those interested
in Gold the past years are ho-hum about what is going
on.

It is as if many former Café members don’t believe what
they have read from the MIDAS column.

As mentioned in prior commentary, never seen anything like
this in all my years of trading and covering the markets.

Funny, JUST as I wrote this, the following was sent
my way by Chuck:

This was in Mogambo Guru`s letter today.
"Le Metropole, another newsletter that deserves high respect,
even though the title of their newsletter is decidedly
French-sounding, says that those Chinese
dudes are accumulating Gold through various secret
and various sources."

Maybe The Café’s name is a major reason a number of
former Café members are shying away???

Whatever the reason, it is BULLISH!!!

The Gold open interest only went up 573 contracts
to 279,501.

The silver open interest rose 259 contracts to 104,552.

The IMF on Gold

“The IMF`s gold reserves are a fundamental strength
in its financial position, giving it increased
credibility and the capacity to assist its broader
membership in crisis situations.”

The Crystal ball ~
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V) Producing Gold Mines... ...

Through Andas-Altyn LLP, its wholly-owned Kazakh subsidiary,
the company owns and operates its Central Mukur and Myaly
Gold Mine sites.

Eurasia Gold also owns Centramining Limited,
a private company holding the rights to Gold projects
located in the Republic of Kazakhstan.

EGX produced 26,481 ounces in 2002,
a 48% increase is considered very satisfactory...

http://www.eurasiagold.com/goldprod.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.eurasiagold.com/goldprod.html

The value today of the two Gold Mines
development and infrastructure would
cost above $40 milj. and its about
10 times the price of the market cap.
which is undervalued and oversold.

Add the value of 59 more Gold deposits with
feasibility studies made by USSR and
explorations for more than 10 years
to each deposit by USSR who classified
them as future gold mines and must have
spent about $10 million on each gold deposit
times 59 gold deposits makes a total
$500 million and more in cost to take
each deposit from grassrot stage to be
a potential future Gold Mine!

Eurasia’s objective to increase its annual Gold
production incrementally to 60,000 ounces, and
is on its way to become a major Gold Producer
in Europe.

This increase will come through increasing the production
capability of the two existing projects, and through
acquisition and development of other
oxide deposits in Kazakhstan.

The Central Mukur and Myaly mining licences host 59 known
zones of oxide mineralization.

The remaining zones are at various stages of exploration
or development to ensure continuity of mining operations

Eurasia Gold Corp. is a Gold Mining producing company
incorporated in Canada and headquartered in Toronto,
Ontario.

The company operates two Gold Mines in the
Republic of Kazakhstan through its wholly owned
subsidiary, Andas-Altyn LLP.

http://www.eurasiagold.com/goldprod.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener">http://www.eurasiagold.com/goldprod.html

The company’s primary business is mining and processing
Gold as well as acquiring and developing additional
Gold deposits in Kazakhstan.

The Gold Mines use conventional open-pit mining methods and
Gold is extracted by heap leaching.

Operating Activities

In 2002 operating activities increased substantially
over that in 2001.

The EGX;
Gold production at the Central
Mukur and Myaly mine sites
increased from 17,946 ounces in 2001

to 26,481 ounces in 2002,
a 48% increase is considered very satisfactory.

The cash cost of production in 2002 averaged
US$237 per ounce...and about $210 in 2003

A record production of 8,596 ounces of GOLD
was precipitated during the 3rd quarter of 2003,
compared to 7,328 ounces in the 2nd quarter.

EGX is doing extremely well and making a good profit
as well, compared to a lot of other Gold expl.
companies - who trading 100 times more in market
cap values than EGX?

EGX has plenty of more hard assets of Gold Mines
today and should be trading in a much higher
values than in 1996...
a hidden top EGX trendline
shows the target closer to $2.00,

The EGX is a bargain low cost Gold Producer
at a low share price for
any investor with foresight to get in
at a good price.

I will also look in to take some more positions in EGX to
support and celebrate their liberty and welcome them to
the Euro Union.

EGX @ Toronto - TSE
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

Kazakhstan used to be ussr`s largest Gold Producing region.
imo, MfG Good Luck!

Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

PS. also found this in my DD:
"Kazakhstan: Independence: 16 December 1991 (from the Soviet Union) "
"Kazakhstan, the largest of the former Soviet republics in territory, excluding Russia, possesses enormous fossil fuel reserves as well as plentiful supplies of other minerals and metals."
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/kz.html

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Thistle Mining Forward Gold Sales
~ acquisition term debt
to Standard Bank London Ltd.;

closed 408,843.78 ounces at 2,555 rand per ounce
(based on 7.45 rand/U.S. dollar) compared with
the put price of 3,650 rand;

bought back at a loss, 151,944 ounces of calls,
originally granted from January, 2005,
until December, 2005, and
152,400 ounces
originally granted at $315 (U.S.) from January, 2006,
until December, 2006.

Note. They were a part of the bank`s financing
requirements in February, 2002;

BEWARE:

THT - entered into flat forward sales agreements
for 304,344 ounces
at $310 (U.S.) per ounce for the 24-month period between
January, 2005, until December, 2006;

retained the $32.4-million (U.S.) forward currency protection
at 8.65 rand until November, 2003; and

the company also retains flat forward sales amounting
to 220,188 ounces at $330 (U.S.) per ounce
to December, 2004.


THT Infinite share dilution ?

BEWARE:

Thistle previously said it plans to offer -
between 133.3 million and 150 million units at 30 cents each,
raising $40 million to $45 million for
the Montreal-based gold miner.

Each unit consists of one common share and half a warrant
to buy a share at 45 cents within the next five years.

Note. Thistle currently (TSX:THT) has 241.8 million shares
outstanding.

Achievements during the quarter:
On 16 July 2003, Thistle completed the issue of
US $24 million 10% convertible loan notes.
The issue was placed by Canaccord Capital Corporation
and Griffiths McBurney.
These loan notes are repayable in July 2008 and are
convertible, at the holder’s option, into common
shares of Thistle.

The company also announced Wednesday the retirement
of Steven Sharpe from its board of directors,
effective Dec. 30.

This is why more and more go from THT to EGX:

The charts tells where the GOLD is!
http://stockcharts.com/webcgi/perf.html?EGX.V,THT.to

Third Quarter Report to 30 September 2003
Toronto, 28 November 2003 – THISTLE MINING INC. (TSX: THT)
wishes to announce the
third quarter and nine months results for the period
ended 30 September 2003.

E • • •
G • Record production of 8,414 ounces in Kazakhstan.
X • • •

President Steyn Complex in South Africa,
was heavily impacted by the fire
in the Southern Section the production in September and
October has returned to the higher levels of previous quarters.


Completion of US $24 million 10% convertible loan
note issue 16 July 2003.
Agreement to a one year settlement with the workforce`s unions,
which includes the adoption of
improved working practices at the Steyn Mine complex.

Drilling programme re-started at the Masbate project in the Philippines.
Repayment of remaining balance of acquisition term loan of US $14.4 million.
The underground fire had meant that affected areas
were replaced, in the interim, with panels at
a lower grade.
Mining of ore from the Massives.
Commencement of production in the third quarter necessarily
meant that low grade was being recovered due to the
combination of reef and waste initially being
extracted.
All references to dollars in this quarterly report are United States dollars.
As at 27 November 2003, the South African Rand exchange rate
was Rand 6.44 to the US dollar.

As previously announced, an underground fire occurred at
the President Steyn Complex.
The fire, which started in June in the Southern Section,
was more serious than originally thought and has had a
significant impact on the third quarter results with
a shortfall in gold production.
The impact of not losing this production would have been
to reduce costs to $418 per ounce.
The areas which were burning currently remain sealed.

Cash operating costs for the third quarter were
US $481 per ounce of production,
compared with US $399
for the second quarter, an increase of approximately 20%.
The continued strengthening of the Rand
accounted for approximately a quarter of this movement
and a further 50% was due to the lower ounces
produced in this quarter, the reasons for which
have been discussed above.
The remaining balance of the
movement is largely due to increase in payroll costs,
following the annual review, of approximately $1.0
million in the quarter. The wage increase settlement
was in line with industry averages.

Management is also examining the cost of constructing
a new milling plant and gold processing plant at
the Northern Section. This investment has been provisionally
estimated by management at US $15 million.

The THT Group recorded a gross loss of $4.8 million
during the nine months compared to a gross profit of $8.6
million in the corresponding period of 2002.
After accounting for general and administrative expenses and
other operating expenses, the Group reported an operating
loss of $10.8 million compared to a profit of
$4.1 million in the previous year.
The total retained loss for the first nine months of the
year was $14.1 million, or 6 cents per share, compared
to $1.3 million, or 1 cent per share in 2002.

As discussed earlier in this Report, the Rand continued
to strengthen in the third quarter of 2003 and this,
together with the production difficulties experienced
in South Africa, has had a very significant impact on
the financial results of the Group.

After depreciation and amortisation of $3.7 million and
foreign exchange losses on translation of $2.3 million,
an operating loss of $8.2 million was recorded for
the nine months.

Cash Flows
There was a Group cash outflow from operating activities
(cash operating profit, adjusted for movements in
current assets and liabilities) of $19.5 million for
the nine month period against a cash inflow of $5.3
million for the same period in 2002. $3.5 million of cash
flow was invested in capital expenditure at the
mines and the Group completed the PS Gold acquisition
for $10.7 million cash. The most significant
financing activities were the placing of $24 million
10% convertible loan notes and the issue of $9.4
million of shares for cash.

The Company issued shares for a total consideration of
$11.7 million during the first nine months of 2003
which were applied for the following purposes:
$ million
Issued for cash 9.4
Debt conversion 2.3
TOTAL 11.7
The principal issue of shares in the nine months period
was through the completion, on 13 January 2003,
of a private placement of 19.2 million shares in the
Company for gross proceeds of $7.4 million
(Cdn$11.5 million), net US $6.7 million.

The Company had 241,775,977 shares issued and
outstanding as at 28 November 2003.

Hedging Programme
As a part of its facilities with Standard Bank, the
Company had entered into a hedge programme to protect
its South African revenue stream.
The Company does not speculate on the gold price using
its hedge position.
It is designed to reduce the risks to the
Company’s revenues and operating profits and the Board
monitors the position on a regular basis.
All hedging facilities have been undertaken without
any need for the group to provide margin.
None of the gold available from the Philippines deposit is
committed to a hedging programme and Eurasia
Gold Corp. is a completely un-hedged producer.
Details of the hedge programme in place as at 30 September 2003, are as follows:
2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 Total
USD Gold put options
Forward sales contracts 3 12 12 12 – 39
Total ounces 8,676 10,065 5,592 18,666 – 42,999
Average price (US $/ oz) $290 $290 $290 $290 – $290
Contingent forward gold sales
Forward sales contracts – – – – 8 8
Total ounces – – – – 101,520 101,520
Average price (US $/ oz) – – – – $315 $315
Forward gold sales
Forward sales contracts 3 12 12 12 – 39
Total ounces 34,074 142,362 151,944 152,400 – 480,780
Average price (US $/ oz) $330 $330 $310 $310 – $317
Forward Rand purchases
Forward sales contracts 3 3 – – – 6
Total USD (000`s) 11,438 11,494 – – – 22,932
Average price (Rand / US $) R 8.44 R7.65 – – – R 8.04
The Group`s efforts are now focused on increasing overall
production so that the amount of gold committed
to the forward sales programme becomes a lesser part
of the total gold sales.

Three months ended Nine months ended
30 September 30 September
(in thousands of US dollars, Unaudited) 2003 2002 2003 2002
Net income/(loss) under UK GAAP (5,949) (740) (14,094) (1,252)
Impact on net loss of Canadian GAAP adjustments:
Depreciation and write-down of assets (556) (657) (1,667) (1,635)
Incremental interest charge re convertible loan notes (72) - (350) -
Mark to market on gold contracts not regarded as hedges (21,889) (2,599) (10,643) (3,488)
Tax effect on above 743 568 1,981 1,365
Net profit/(loss) under Canadian GAAP (27,723) (3,428) (24,773) (5,010)
Net profit/(loss) per share based on Canadian GAAP, for the period (0.12) (0.02) (0.11) (0.02)

Note. Net (loss) under Canadian GAAP ($27,723,000.00)

imo, MfG

[Nevadabob]

North American Stock Market Radio Station?
Posted By: Wheeler44

If it`s ok to trade shares on other public open markets, flea
markets, auctions etc. then we may see posts here saying something
like.. ??

---- future example of post? ----
- Hey all! Guess what! I sold 20 thou THT/TMG on ebay to a fellow in
Mexico, for one cent / share!, btw. that was a couple of weeks ago.
---- end ----

If Thistle scumbags can trade shares to just any price, outside the
Toronto Stock Exchange TSX & LSE, and if the Sec.Com. allow this kind of
trade, then WE DON NOT NEED THE TSX-V, LSE OR SEC.COM!! ?
It seems to me as if the TSX / TSX-V and SEC.COM have grown to big,
so big they don`t know their purpose anymore!!
When something grows that big, it gets so slow and lazy that nothing
gets done!!!
It would likely be better to TRADE ALL SHARES ON EBAY,
and it seems to me as if nothing would prevent it!!
I would recommend though, that bying and selling shares should be
done according to rules and regulations, law, absolutely not like
the insiders in THT do their secret trading!!
imo, All the best /W
BTW. only trading on eBay would be unfair for those who do not own
a computer, so maybe there could be a North American Stock Market
Radio Station, announcing the ongoing stock auctions for those who
own a transistor radio, and they could phone in their bids & asks??
imo, All the Best! /W
--
I have filed complaints to OSC, RS and now also thanks to MEpatriot
the BCSC have received the complaint below.
To all EGX shareholders!
Protect your investments against hostile activities!
Do the right thing and file a complaint to the following, It only
takes a few minutes to complete, imo, All the Best /W
1) Ontario Securities Commission "OSC"
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/en/Investor/complaints.html

2) Market Regulation Services Inc. "RS"
http://www.rs.ca/en/complaints/submit.asp?printVersion=no&lo…

3) British Columbia Securities Commission "BCSC"
http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/about/complaint_contact.asp
---- complaint ----
I`m a shareholder in Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
(Eurasia Gold Corp. and Thistle Mining share the same directors and officers)
In the 3:rd quarter of 2003, Thistle Mining acquired through its wholly owned subsidiary, 5,720,000 shares of Eurasia Gold Corp. (see news release below.) at the price of 2 cents per share ( $0.02 / share ). When this insider-deal took place, the market price was around 10 - 11 cents per share.
The insider-deal was made in silence, behind the backs of the minority shareholders and without any public notice.
On Dec 09, 2003 the insiders in Thistle/Eurasia decided to make the deal public knowledge. (see news release below).
As a minority shareholder, I feel very threatened by this covert stock trading that took place behind my back.
Never before have I experienced that shares in a public company are being traded in secrecy, away from the public`s attantion like the Thistle Mining / Eurasia insiders have done.
In my opinion, the management of Thistle Mining Inc and Eurasia Gold Corp does not belong on the North American Stock Markets.
I want the THT and EGX management exchanged a.s.a.p., before they do more harm to the minority shareholders!
I want the venture exchange TSX-V to be a good place for investors!
The venture exchange TSX-V should approve such insider-trading before the Thistle Mining insiders go ahead with their actions?
I sincerely hope that an investigation of the above will be conducted, the stock exchanges will then be a better place.
Thanks in Advance!
Best regards,

The news release:
"TORONTO, Dec 09, 2003 (CNW Telbec via COMTEX) --
(TSX: THT, AIM: TMG) Thistle Mining Inc. (`Thistle`) wishes to announce that its wholly owned subsidiary, Compagnie Internationale de Developpement Minier (`CIDEM`) has acquired, pursuant to a private agreement that took place in the United Kingdom, 5,720,000 shares of Eurasia Gold Corp. (`Eurasia`) (CDNX:EGX) at a purchase price of $0.02 per share. As a result of this transaction, CIDEM now holds an aggregate of 65,720,000 common shares of Eurasia. CIDEM has acquired the shares for investment purposes. Both Thistle and CIDEM may acquire further shares if the price is deemed to be acceptable.
Thistle holds 2,549,253 shares of Eurasia. This brings the aggregate holdings of CIDEM and Thistle to 68,269,253 shares which represent 57.7% of Eurasia`s outstanding common shares. "
---- end ----
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[borazon]

Würde mich auch aufregen, wenn ich EGX.V hätte.


Wo bleibt eigentlich die Bestätigung von Thistle, daß die Platzierung am 9.1. abgeschlossen werden konnte?
Oder haben sie es nicht auf die Reihe bekommen?
Dann seh ich aber schwarz (bzw. rot) für den Kurs.

[Thoemsi]

@ Borazon

Hier ist die Meldung

Thistle Mining Inc. completes Cdn$ 44.7 million private placement
Tuesday January 13, 9:11 am ET

Not for distribution to U.S. news wire services or dissemination in the United States
TORONTO , Jan. 13 /CNW Telbec/ - Thistle Mining Inc. (TSX: THT and AIM: TMG) is pleased to announce that it has completed today a private placement of 149,110,246 units at a price of Cdn$ 0.30 per unit for aggregate gross proceeds of approximately Cdn$ 44.7 million. Each unit consists of one common share and one half of one common share purchase warrant. Each full warrant entitles the holder to purchase one common share at the price of Cdn$ 0.45 until 9 January 2009. These units have been placed with Canaccord Capital (Europe) Limited acting as agent.

It is the intention of the Company to list the warrants on the Alternative Investment Market ("AIM") of the London Stock Exchange. These warrants will trade in sterling on AIM.

The securities offered have not been registered under the U. S. Securities Act of 1933, as amended, and may not be offered or sold in the United States absent registration or an applicable exemption from the registration requirements. This press release shall not constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy nor shall there be any sale of the securities in any State in which such offer, solicitation or sale would be unlawful.

[Nevadabob]

I sold more Thistle-THT today, and buying more EGX.

Jan. 13, 2004 - Gold $423.50 - Platinum $857.00 - Silver $6.56
GATA Love That Silver

When you cannot make up your mind which of
two evenly balanced courses of action you
should take -- choose the bolder.
... William Joseph Slim

GO GATA!!

Gold was under pressure all of last evening and
all during the Comex session.

It mattered little that the dollar was fairly
weak early this morning.

The Gold Cartel folks are desperately trying to
take Gold below $420 and to keep it from taking
out $430.

They did manage to knock bullion to $422.20, where
it hit a stone wall. Considering the effort put
in to break Gold down technically, the close
wasn’t too bad.

The Gold Cartel is huffing and puffing, but I don’t
think they will be able to blow the house down.

Silver continues to maintain its very firm tone.

It was bashed to $6.47 when the cabal crowd attacked
Gold, but it came right back, jumping 4 cents late
to return to the unchanged level.

Have some new silver input for you from one
of our sources.

It comes out of the Middle East.
Veteran Café members will remember what this Café
member sent us concerning huge hedge fund
Gold buying a ways back:

Dear Bill
You will probably remember that when the Gold was
struggling with the $325 I sent you information
that a big European fund which bought
2.6 billions worth of Gold.
This information came to me from a friend, a
banker which took an active part of the
purchasing process hence was total 100% reliable.

At the time, the fund`s target was $380 at
which point it intended to exit.
Well, they are still in.

But, he now tells me that this fund switched some
of it`s Gold to silver in the first 10 days of
January - worth 250 millions dollar.

Searching the world they couldn`t find the
40 millions silver ounces they wanted, so some
of it went into derivatives.

Thank you for all the work you are doing.
So far you are spot on.
D

Silver should be ready to make a run
for $7 fairly soon.

With buyers like the one above, Buffet, etc.,
it is going to be hard to break silver down.

More and more big league buyers want in.

The Gold open interest rose 4181
contracts to 304,406.

The silver open interest only dropped 544
contracts to 110,596.

GATA BE IN IT TO WIN IT!

The Crystal ball ~
~ Video Clip from GATA about GOLD ~
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX:TSE.V,
Gold Mining Projects:

About The EGX Company

Eurasia Gold Corp, ( v.EGX, EAGCF:Nasdaq )
is a Gold producing company
incorporated in Canada and headquartered
in Toronto, Ontario.

The EGX company operates two Gold Mines in Gold production,
in the Republic of Kazakhstan through its wholly owned
subsidiary, Andas-Altyn LLP.

The EGX company’s primary business is mining and
processing Gold as well as acquiring and developing
additional Gold deposits in Kazakhstan.

The EGX Gold Mines use conventional open-pit mining methods
and Gold is extracted by heap leaching.


EGX GOLD Mining Projects

The two EGX Gold Mines projects in Gold production
have an estimated resource of 850,000 ounces
of GOLD.

The Gold Ore ($420 x Au 850,000 ounces = $357,000,000.00)

The Central Mukur and Myaly mining licences
host 59 known Gold deposits
zones of oxide mineralization.

Six of these zones were mined during the years.

The remaining Gold zones are at various stages
of exploration or mine development to ensure
continuity of Gold mining operations.

It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its
annual Gold production incrementally
to Au 60,000 ounces.

Increase in Gold production will come through
increasing the production capability of the
two EGX existing Gold producing projects,
and through development of the other EGX oxide
deposits in Kazakhstan.

~ EGX with 67 zones of oxide mineralisation
remain to be further developed/explored,
according to Minesite.

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces
- average production cost for the 9 months
- was $246.00/oz incl. cost for expansion of
- heap leach pads etc.
- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz
- revenue was $2,701,000
- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

DD: Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Please do your own DD before investing in any stocks, imo.

[Tsuba]

Im vorhergehenden Posting zum PoG

gestern abend in New York heißt es:

"Considering the effort put in to break

Gold down technically, the close wasn´t

too bad."

Mit meinen schwachen Englischkenntnissen

übersetze ich:

"Bedenkt man, daß bezeckt war den Goldpreis

technisch anzuknacksen, war der Schlußkurs

garnicht so niedrig."


So ist es. Die Party geht noch eine

Weile ohne Unterbrechung weiter.

Die Schulkinder wurden allerdings

schon nach Hause gebracht.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Tsuba]

irgendwas wollt´ich heut´ noch

kaufen. Dachte der Kinderschreck

hätte die GM´s stärker gedrückt.

"Konsolidierung" war aber zu kurz

und zu gering.

Immerhin ein paar billige DSM 904583

sind es dann geworden.

Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Hallo Tsuba,

ich sehe das ähnlich wie Du und habe heute ebenfalls gekauft. Mein Drooy- Anteil hat zugenommen (Führung hin oder her, wenn der Rand seine Talfahrt fortsetzt performt Drooy wohl besser als GFI und dergleichen)....

btw. bin mal gespannt wie sich ST Barbara nachher schlägt...

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

Thoemsi,

St. Barbara, das braucht wohl einen

längeren Atem.

Wenn eine von den kleinen Aussi-GM´s

schnell ans Laufen kommt, dann eher Batavia.

Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

"St. Barbara, das braucht wohl einen
längeren Atem."

Das ist schon klar, ich meinte nur, sollte sich StBarbara heute bei dem eher schwachen Marktumfeld ohne größeren Kursabschlag halten können, dann ist wohl (ceteris paribus) nach unten nicht mehr viel Luft und man kann "getrost" ein paar kaufen.

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

erlaub mir das Bonmot:

Luft ist bei St. Barbara bis

zu meinem allgültigen Stop Loss

von 0,00.

Im Moment entspricht der Kurs

dem Engagementpreis, den die

Sanierer, Übernehmer (nenn sie

wie Du willst) bezahlt haben.

Ceteris paribus verharrt der Kurs da.

Eben bis etwas passiert, so oder so.

Geht´s runter, würd´ ich nahe an

Normal-Null wie verrückt nachkaufen.

Eben wie verrückt...

Gruss

Tsuba

[Basic]

Hab auch hin und wieder mal Ausis.

Zur Zeit Sino und GaleriGold.

Hab aber wenig Hoffnung das sich die Ausis noch groß rühren.

Wenn wir noch den Endspurt sehen, werden die standardwert wie Bema und Combior laufen und natürlich die Südafris.


Gruß Basic

[Tsuba]

`zu meinem posting `#134

also die Posterei vergrößert

einen Text unangemessen, alles

wirkt dramatisch.

Wie ich im St. Barbara Thread schrieb,

hab´ich zuletzt zugekauft. Bin alles andere

als negativ eingestellt.

Mich bedrückt einfach der Gedanke,

dass jemand durch meine "Verrücktheit"

Schaden nehmen kann. Deshalb die Schroffheit

mit der ich die Risiken aufzeige.


@ Basic

Seh ich auch so, es gibt ein "Singspiel"

mit mehreren Akten. Wird es so lang

wie in Bayreuth, kommen zum Schluß die

Australier dran. Unter anderem deswegen

halt´ich ein paar davon.


Gruss

tsuba

[Leh007]

Hallo,


THT hat nach Adam-Riese jetzt ca. 150 Mill+ 250 Mill
=400 Mill Aktien
Klingt nicht gut

[ulfur]

Thistle on cash raising rescue mission

By: Daniel Thole


Posted: 2004/01/14 Mi 18:27 ZE2 | © Mineweb 1997-2004


JOHANNESBURG – Thistle Mining is looking to dig itself out the rand and hedge book induced hole it has been in for the last year by raising capital to develop two new key projects.
Today Toronto listed Thistle announced that it had raised C$44.7 million, placing 149,110,246 units at C$0,30 each. Each unit consists of one Thistle share and one warrant to purchase a Thistle share. The warrants allow the holder to purchase Thistle shares at C$0.45, with an expiry date of January 9, 2009. Thistle said it would apply for the new shares to be listed on AIM.

Thistle has suffered even more than most miners with operations in South Africa – the group is trapped in a hedge which will see it sell 151,000oz of gold this year at just $310/oz, and had had its problems compounded by the strong rand.

Chief executive Willie McLucas said the cash raised would be used for the expansion of the President Steyn mine’s productive capacity, and the Masbate project in the Phillipines. “At President Steyn we need to build a new plant closer to the mine. We have been treating the ore 40 kilometres away at the Southern end of the mine, and we need to increase the throughput of the plant,” McLucas said.

McLucas is promising some spectacular news on the Eldorado Massives project at the Mining Indaba in Cape Town in February, and said that the project was robust. “We are working at a hell of a rate, trying to bring the development of the mine forward. So far the results have been encouraging,” McLucas said. He was cagey on details around the project, which will be an extension off the existing President Steyn complex, and it is as yet unclear what effect the new development will have on the group’s hedge book. Earlier estimates put the additional ounces that Eldorado could produce at 32,000.

McLucas said Masbate had the potential to produce more gold than President Steyn, without the problems the group had experienced in South Africa. “We are taking a kicking with the strong rand,” McLucas said. Masbate is scheduled to produce 200 000 ounces of gold by early 2006, with construction of the mine due to begin next year.

McLucas said the strong rand had made this one of the most difficult capital raisings the group had ever undertaken. “Global investors don’t have to come to South Africa, some of them are saying why bother coming to South Africa if there is a royalty, black economic empowerment and government’s strong rand policy,” McLucas said.

McLucas said it was even becoming easier to raise cash for projects in the Democratic Republic of Congo than in South Africa. McLucas said he would rather have raised less cash at a higher share price.

[Tsuba]

@LEH700,

hab´ heut´noch einige Thistle nachgekauft.

Ist mir ziemlich egal wieviel Stück Aktien

es gibt. Ist nur ein Rechen-Faktor bei der Ermittlung

der Marktkapitalisierung.

Die Risiken liegen ganz woanders und sind in

vielen Postings angesprochen worden.

Gruss

Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

I have sold almost all my THT shares and I am buying more EGX. http://www.eurasiagold.com

this is likely why more and more go to Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX.



imo, Please do your own DD before investing in any stocks.
MfG

[Nevadabob]

I still have some shares in THT, but..

Eurasia Gold Corp. - EGX has just started to move, and I strongly believe EGX will go to at least 2 dollars



http://www.eurasiagold.com
imo, please do your own DD before investing in any stocks.
MfG
Nevadabob

[Tsuba]

heute, 16.01.2004, Tagesmotto:
CARPE DIEM

Oder

Kaffernminen
gibt es zu Schnupperkursen

Gruss

Tsuba

[hpoth]

Carpe diem - nutze den Tag- so sehe ich das auch. gruß hpoth

[Nevadabob]

NEWS! NEWS! NEWS!

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSE.V, EAGCF:Nasdaq OTCBB)

Thistle Mining Inc.´s Subsidiary
Acquired Additional Shares of
Eurasia Gold Corp.
1/21/04
TORONTO, Jan 21, 2004 (CNW Telbec via COMTEX) --

(TSX: THT, AIM: TMG) Thistle Mining Inc. (´Thistle´)
wishes to announce that its wholly owned subsidiary,
Compagnie Internationale de Developpement Minier (´CIDEM´)

has acquired from Thistle effective January 20, 2004,
pursuant to a private agreement that took place in
the United Kingdom, 2,549,253 shares of

Eurasia Gold Corp. (´Eurasia´) (CDNX:EGX)
at a purchase price of $0.122 per share.

As a result of this transaction, CIDEM now holds an
aggregate of 68,269,253 common shares of Eurasia.

CIDEM has acquired the shares for investment purposes.

Both Thistle and CIDEM may acquire further shares
if the price is deemed to be acceptable.

Thistle no longer holds shares of Eurasia.

This transaction brings the aggregate holdings of
CIDEM to 68,269,253 shares which represent 57.7% of
Eurasia´s outstanding common shares.

For further information:

Willie McLucas,
President and Chief Executive Officer,
[phone] or
[phone],
william.mclucas(at)thistlemining.com;

In Canada :
Harvey McKenzie,
Chief Financial Officer,
[phone],
harvey.mckenzie(at)thistlemining.com;

Renmark Financial Communications :
Neil Murray-Lyon:
nmurraylyon(at)renmarkfinancial.com;

Sylvain Laberge:
slaberge(at)renmarkfinancial.com;

Colette Saulnier,
Media:
csaulnier(at)renmarkfinancial.com;
[phone],
Fax: [phone]

News release via Canada NewsWire,
Montreal 514-878-2520
---

Eurasia Gold Corp. ~ EGX GOLD MINES
(EGX:TSE.V)

The EGX Precious Metal Gold Mines -
EGX Gem has just started to move back UP
its a long way to hike and EGX will GO
higher than any time before, EGX has two
Gold Mines in Gold poduction of more than
30,000 Au ounces per year for about $200/oz
and plenty of more hard assets Gold Mines
& Au deposits than EGX ever had in the past,
see You at the sweet EGX TOP...

cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&symb=CA:EGX&sid=47743&time=20&startdate=&enddate=&freq=2&comp=&compidx=aaaaa~0&uf=7168&ma=1&maval=50&type=2&size=2&lf=1&lf2=4&lf3=0&1013&mocktick=1&rand=316524684&siteid=mktw

thank you, its the reflexion of the facts,
EGX is a very good Gold Mine Producer
at about $200/oz and making a good
profit...


Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX:TSE.V,
Gold Mining Projects:

About The EGX Company

Eurasia Gold Corp, ( v.EGX, EAGCF:Nasdaq )
is a Gold producing company
incorporated in Canada and headquartered
in Toronto, Ontario.

The EGX company operates two Gold Mines in Gold production,
in the Republic of Kazakhstan through its wholly owned
subsidiary, Andas-Altyn LLP.

The EGX company’s primary business is mining and
processing Gold as well as acquiring and developing
additional Gold deposits in Kazakhstan.

The EGX Gold Mines use conventional open-pit mining methods
and Gold is extracted by heap leaching.


EGX GOLD Mining Projects

The two EGX Gold Mines projects in Gold production
have an estimated resource of 850,000 ounces
of GOLD.

The Gold Ore ($420 x Au 850,000 ounces = $357,000,000.00)

The Central Mukur and Myaly mining licences
host 59 known Gold deposits
zones of oxide mineralization.
Six of these zones were mined during the years.

The remaining Gold zones are at various stages
of exploration or mine development to ensure
continuity of Gold mining operations.

It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its
annual Gold production incrementally
to Au 60,000 ounces.

Increase in Gold production will come through
increasing the production capability of the
two EGX existing Gold producing projects,
and through development of the other EGX oxide
deposits in Kazakhstan.

~ EGX with 67 zones of oxide mineralisation
remain to be further developed/explored,
according to Minesite.

EGX Eurasia Gold Mines in Kazakhstan,
A record production of GOLD Au 8,596 ounces of
GOLD was precipitated during
the 3rd quarter of 2003,
compared to 7,328 ounces
in the 2nd quarter

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces
- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces
- average production cost for the 9 months
- was $246.00/oz incl. cost for expansion of
- heap leach pads etc.
- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz
- revenue was $2,701,000
- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)


Potential profits ex. based on Q3, 2003
operating costs and expenses

Ex.1. 7,443/oz of Gold sell at appr. current spot price of
$415/oz will generate a profit of about...
415 - 362.89 = 52.11 x 7443 + 169000 = $556,854.73

Ex.2. 7,433/oz of Gold sell at $450/oz will generate
roughly $817,000 in profit (note. only from Q3 earning report)


Outlook for 2004

We can expect large increase in revenue and profit
in the upcoming quarters as Eurasia will greatly
benefit from much higher Gold prices.

Management has also proposed that an additional
exploration of ore zones at Central Mukur will
be initiated to further increase the mineable
reserves during 2004.

The EGX Board is continuing with its chosen
strategy of running the company on an
un-hedged basis.

The combination of higher Gold prices,
increase revenues, and the 2004 exploration program
can help lift EGX to new height.

Eurasia is a small and low cost Gold producer
that will offer investors the best leverage
in a rising Gold bull market, imo.

The current value today of the two EGX Gold Mines
development and infrastructure would be
about $40 millions.

Add the value of 59 more Gold deposits with
feasibility studies, and nearly
30 years of exploration activities made by
the Soviet will indicate Eurasia´s market
cap of CDN $15 millions as of
Jan. 7, 2004 to be extremely undervalued.

www.eurasiagold.com/goldprod.html

DD: Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Please do your own DD before investing in any stocks, imo!
Best regards,

[Nevadabob]

More and more go away from THT to buy EGX

Jan. 26 - Gold $406.20 - Platinum $848.00 - Silver $6.27
Enough Is Enough

Saturday, September 28, 1985

"We live in exciting times.
The emergency meeting of the Group of Five finance
ministers and heads of central banks at the Plaza Hotel
last Sunday constitutes a historic event.
It marks the official transition from a system of free
floating to a system of managed floating.
Readers of my chapter on reflexivity in currency
markets will realize that I regard the change as
overdue......
The Alchemy of Finance, George Soros published in 1987.

Still here in rainy, but lovely, Vancouver –
my 5th trip up this way over a one year period.
It’s like my second home.
The Conference is packed and there is a real buzz.
We are finally seeing an influx of new investors
outside the veteran Gold bug crowd.
Interestingly enough, I am seeing the same in
the Café Sentiment Indicator.

Trading was very quiet today in general with a good
deal of rolling of the Feb Gold positions.

A few observations standout about what I see going on here:

*One of the feature points I made during my conference
presentation was the quality of the cash market
information MIDAS has been fortunate to receive over
the past year from very credible sources.

It’s a first in my career and I credit it to the work
of the GATA Army and the increasing effectiveness of
the Internet.

At the moment most everyone I run into is short-term
Gold bearish, while very long-term Gold bullish.

There are many who believe Gold is going to hold $400
may the majority looking at near-term lows of $380
to $395.

I can’t see it, not with what we know about The Gold Stalker’s
new order and the fact many other BIG LEAGUE investment
groups want to buy physical.

POG is now at a strategic low bargain price.

The natural place to do the buying would be above $400,
not below.

As there are probably more buyers than we can imagine
(based on what we already know), they should be competing
for Gold here as the price drops.

This should cushion setbacks and increase in intensity
as Gold drops $1 at a time towards $400.

*We have 3 days to go to complete the normal two week
composure period after the $13 drubbing of a week ago
Thursday.

*The compelling reasons to own physical Gold continue
to grow each passing month.

They are not going unnoticed.

*The yen continues to make efforts to surge below 106
despite massive Japanese intervention.

Each time it is repulsed with more intervention.

How long can this go on?

At one point today, the yen broke 105.80.

SA gold producer’s new gold marketing initiative

DRD takes strategic stake in GoldMoney.com

Durban Roodepoort Deep, Limited
(JSE: DUR; NASDAQ: DROOY; ASX: DRD) today
(26 January 2004) broadened its initiatives to
expand the gold market by announcing its acquisition
of a strategic stake in GoldMoney.com, a leading
internet-based Gold marketing company.
DRD’s initial investment of US$200 000 (1.4%) comes
with an option to increase its stake to $2 million,
or 14.3%, at a later stage.

GoldMoney was founded by James Turk, the well known
and internationally respected authority on
the precious metal.

Turk says: “GoldMoney is the easiest and most economical
way to buy and sell Gold on the internet, but we see
Gold not only as a metal but also as a form of currency.

“We believe there is huge potential for Gold to be used
more for low-cost online payments worldwide, as people
are now doing with GoldMoney.

Using Gold in this way will increase its demand to the
benefit of the industry. ”

DRD CEO Ian Murray comments:
“We’re well known for our belief in Gold as money and
for some time we’ve been considering ways of actively
encouraging private ownership of Gold.
Gold money, to our mind, is one very direct way.
It is particularly attractive for South Africans who,
regrettably, cannot own Gold in bullion form due to
long-standing legal constraints.
“We look forward to growing our association with
GoldMoney; to seeing it gain more prominence as
international markets seek alternatives to the US dollar
as the currency for international trade;
and to announcing similar downstream activities into
the future.”

GOLD 2004 Bull Reflextion of 1980 Bulltrend

GOLD 2002 - 2003 is a mirror reflection of
GOLD 1978 - 1979, is

GOLD 2004 to be a mirror reflextion of
GOLD 1980 - Bulltrend,

GOLD TA on strong Bulltrend TI Longterm comeback...

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

We may see Gold make a repeat of 1st week of Oct.
mmm`s try shakeout of weak apples.
Fast down - fast UP - mirror reflextion!

Statement by the President and CEO: Elmer Stewart 1997

In 1997 the company changed its name to signal the new focus
of its activities and bought Centramining Ltd,
a private company with rights to
four gold projects in Kazakstan.

The following year Eurasia acquired Andas-Altyn for shares.

This brought in two GOLD projects, a resource of 850,000 ozs GOLD,
infrastructure with annual leach capacity of a million tonnes and an
operating entity with 4 years experience in heap leach mines operations

At the beginning of 1999 Ourominas Minerals –
now Thistle Mining –
reversed into the company via a private placement to
raise C$6 million.
These funds are now being used to commence commercial
production at Myaly and Central Mukur.

The company is therefore poised on the next phase
of its life with Thistle as controlling shareholder.

Operations

First gold poured on a commercial basis at
the Myaly heap leach gold project in August.

First gold production from the Central Mukur
project occurred in September.

Both plants have had upgrades including recovery
plants, equipment, and leaching capacity
up to 1.3 million tonnes from both projects.

A total of 23,000 ozs of gold are expected to be
placed under leach before year end 1999-Both
projects are generating positive cash flow.

Gold production to the end of October 1999 was 6,500 ozs

http://www.minesite.com/companies/eurasia_gold_corp.htm

Thanks Elmer, since You started the EGX GOLD Production
of EURO"s EGX Gold Mines - Eurasia Gold Corp. has come
a long way to become a Major GOLD Producer
in Europe/Asia...

Eurasia Gold Corp. ~ EGX GOLD MINES
(EGX:TSE.V)

The EGX Precious Metal Gold Mines -
EGX Gem has just started to move back UP
its a long way to hike and EGX will GO
higher than any time before, EGX has two
Gold Mines in Gold poduction of more than
30,000 Au ounces per year for about $200/oz
and plenty of more hard assets Gold Mines
& Au deposits than EGX ever had in the past,
see You at the sweet EGX TOP...

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

EGX is a very good Gold Mine Producer
at about $200/oz and making a good
profit...


Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX:TSE.V,
Gold Mining Projects:

About The EGX Company

Eurasia Gold Corp, ( v.EGX, EAGCF:Nasdaq )
is a Gold producing company
incorporated in Canada and headquartered
in Toronto, Ontario.

The EGX company operates two Gold Mines in Gold production,
in the Republic of Kazakhstan through its wholly owned
subsidiary, Andas-Altyn LLP.

The EGX company’s primary business is mining and
processing Gold as well as acquiring and developing
additional Gold deposits in Kazakhstan.

The EGX Gold Mines use conventional open-pit mining methods
and Gold is extracted by heap leaching.


EGX GOLD Mining Projects

The two EGX Gold Mines projects in Gold production
have an estimated resource of 850,000 ounces
of GOLD.

The Gold Ore ($420 x Au 850,000 ounces = $357,000,000.00)

The Central Mukur and Myaly mining licences
host 59 known Gold deposits
zones of oxide mineralization.
Six of these zones were mined during the years.

The remaining Gold zones are at various stages
of exploration or mine development to ensure
continuity of Gold mining operations.

It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its
annual Gold production incrementally
to Au 60,000 ounces.

Increase in Gold production will come through
increasing the production capability of the
two EGX existing Gold producing projects,
and through development of the other EGX oxide
deposits in Kazakhstan.

~ EGX with 67 zones of oxide mineralisation
remain to be further developed/explored,
according to Minesite.

EGX Eurasia Gold Mines in Kazakhstan,
A record production of GOLD Au 8,596 ounces of
GOLD was precipitated during
the 3rd quarter of 2003,
compared to 7,328 ounces
in the 2nd quarter

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces
- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces
- average production cost for the 9 months
- was $246.00/oz incl. cost for expansion of
- heap leach pads etc.
- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz
- revenue was $2,701,000
- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

Outlook for 2004

We can expect large increase in revenue and profit
in the upcoming quarters as Eurasia will greatly
benefit from much higher Gold prices.

Management has also proposed that an additional
exploration of ore zones at Central Mukur will
be initiated to further increase the mineable
reserves during 2004.

The EGX Board is continuing with its chosen
strategy of running the company on an
un-hedged basis.

The combination of higher Gold prices,
increase revenues, and the 2004 exploration program
can help lift EGX to new height.

Eurasia is a small and low cost Gold producer
that will offer investors the best leverage
in a rising Gold bull market, imo.

The current value today of the two EGX Gold Mines
development and infrastructure would be
about $40 millions.

Add the value of 59 more Gold deposits with
feasibility studies, and nearly
30 years of exploration activities made by
the Soviet will indicate Eurasia`s market
cap of CDN $15 millions as of
Jan. 7, 2004 to be extremely undervalued.

DD: Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Please do your own DD before investing in any stocks!
imo, Best regards, MfG

[ulfur]

Wo ist da der Boden?

[Thoemsi]

Gute Frage, nächste Frage Sollte es wirklich noch auf 0,20 runtergehen, kauf ich nochmal welche nach....


"McLucas is promising some spectacular news on the Eldorado Massives project at the Mining Indaba in Cape Town in February"

Vielleicht ergibt sich dadurch ein Boden für den Kurs...

[Tsuba]

Der Boden ist definitiv bei 0,00.

(Nachschüsse von den Aktionären

werden nicht verlangt)

Dies ist gleichzeitig mein persönlicher

Stop/Loss Kurs.


Habe einen ordentlichen Depotanteil THT.

Bin noch nicht begeistert;

aber keineswegs mit der Entwicklung unzufrieden

Will heißen, mir ist bis jetzt nichts von

tödlichen unternehmerischen Fehlern

oder gar Mißbrauch durch die Geschäftsleitung

bekannt.

Ob man mir das glaubt oder nicht, bis jetzt

macht mir THT keine Sorge.


Immer schön GOLDONLY

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

@ Tsuba

THT ist mein größter Wert im Depot. Sorgen macht mir der Kursverlauf auch (noch)nicht, wollte nur anmerken das es halt besser gewesen wäre jetzt die großen Stückzahlen zu kaufen anstatt bei 0,35. Aber so ist Börse nun mal.
Das entscheidende ist ja auch nicht wo man kauft, sondern wo man verkauft... Und da lass ich mir bei THT viel, viel Zeit....

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Khampan]

@ Thoemsi

wie kommst du eigentlich darauf, daß bei 0,20 CAD ein möglicher Boden sein könnte?



Warum nicht gleich zurück auf die 2001er Lows?
Ich schau erst mal zu.

Khampan

[Tsuba]

die 20 Can Cents hat wohl Imoen

in einem anderen Thread genannt

(wohl mit einer Kurve versehen)

Tsuba

[Imoen]

@khampan

Ich hatte geschrieben das bei c. 0,20 eine Chance ist zu drehen falls es noch weiter abwärts geht.

Sie ist ja in 2001 immer in diesem Bereich rumgekaspert bis sie durchgezogen hat.

Ist aber mehr Bauchgefühl als Technik.

[Thoemsi]

@ Khampan

wie Tsuba das bereits gesagt hat, hatte die 0,20 von Imoen noch im Gedächtnis und habe deshalb 0,20 gesagt. Ob da charttechnisch eine unterstützung ist oder nicht, keine Ahnung. ich halte auch nicht sonderlich viel von Charttechnik. Denn letztendlich bildet ein Chart nur das ab was keinen mehr interessiert: die Vergangenheit.

Möglicherweise eine zu engstirnige Sichtweise, aber bisher bin ich auch ohne "Chartdoktor" ganz gut gefahren. Die Charttechniker mögens mir nachsehen....

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

_____________

mit den GM ist das wie mit dem weißen Pulver.

Es macht einen Unterschied, ob Paolo Pinkel

oder der US-Präsident welches im Umschlag hat.

Dann kommt es noch drauf an, ob Bush sagt

"Condolezza hol´mir mal ein Löffelchen"

oder ob er Powell holt ....

Angewandt auf THT:

Die Steyn-Mine hat einen Durchmesser von

40 km. Es ist deshalb sinnvoll am Südende

eine 2. Verarb.Plant zu errichten.

Ist das schlimm oder ist das gut?


Hat man noch die finanzielle Kraft, sich

bei kleinen Durchhängern wie jetzt im PoG

"billig" aus einem Teil der Hedges freizukaufen.

Weil THT Schwierigkeiten hat, werden die üblichen

Verdächtigen verhaftet: AIDS-Problem und

Black Empowerment.


Über das ganze legt man dann noch Charts und

hört die Wellen rauschen.


Schönen Abend für alle

Tsuba

[Khampan]

Hallo,

danke für eure Antworten. Eure Meinung zur Charttechnik kann ich gut nachvollziehen. Aber: manchmal bietet sie halt die Anhaltspunkte, nach der ein Großteil von Interessierten verzweifelt sucht, womit sie dann zur self-fulfilling prophecy wird.

Im übrigen haben wir heute ein gutes Gegenbeispiel gesehen. Ich hatte mir noch überlegt, hinzuzufügen, daß ich in solchen Dingen oft einen guten Kontraindikator abgebe...

Was solls, meine für 0,375 verkauften THT werde ich mindestens zum gleichen Preis zurückbekommen.

Khampan

[Khampan]

ach du Sch....
Thistle mit riesen Gap up, und ich guck in die Röhre.

Khampan


Thistle Mining Inc. - Major New Discovery: 26 Tonnes Within the Eldorado Massives

09:30 EST Thursday, February 05, 2004

(TSX: THT and AIM: TMG)

TORONTO, Feb. 5 /CNW Telbec/ - The directors of Thistle Mining are pleased to announce the discovery of a new, significant resource block in the Eldorado Reef Package at its President Steyn complex in South Africa. The discovery is the subject of a report dated 5 February 2004 received from Camden Geoserve CC, the Company`s independent expert.

The discovery has been named Distal Eldorado. It consists of a block totalling 4.2 million tonnes with an in-situ grade of 6.2 grammes per tonne. Of this amount; 100,000 ounces are in the Indicated category and 730,000 ounces are in the Inferred resource category, amounting to a total of 26 tonnes of gold. The block is situated to the East and South of the previously announced Eldorado Massive project, Project 10, in the Northern section of the mine. The initial area now identified is 2,000 metres by 350 metres and forms part of a 6,500-metre strike length containing the auriferous EA1-EA7A reef packages. Further reefs are still to be explored at this location.

The initial resource identified in the Eldorado Reefs to date now exceeds 1.3 million ounces of gold, equivalent to approximately 41 tonnes in total. Production has already begun from the Massives area and is now running at approximately 17,000 tonnes per month at a cost of ZAR 250 per tonne, equivalent to US$ 240 per ounce.


All increased production will be sold on an un-hedged basis.
Through the process of continuous development in the Northern Section,

the President Steyn complex has achieved an increased re-stated resource base (excluding the Eldorado projects) from Camden Geoserve CC, of 20 million ounces compared to 19.4 million ounces as announced in October 2002. The reserve base (also excluding the Eldorado projects) has been re-stated, using a 15 percent lower gold price of ZAR 85,000 per kilogramme and the cut off grade has been increased from 3.0 to 4.0 grammes per tonne. Reserves now stand at 2.7 million ounces compared to 3.2 million ounces in October 2002.

Commenting on the results, Mr William McLucas, President and CEO, said: "This discovery is very exciting. The Distal Eldorado block forms a small part of what we believe will be a multi million ounce ore-body. The ability to increase the resource base of a mature mine through continuous development work in the Golden Triangle is testament to the work being done in South Africa".

The full reports received from Mr Peter Camden-Smith, (M.Sc. (UCT); GD Eng.(Wits); M.B.L (Unisa; Pr.Sci.Nat) the Company`s independent consulting geologist, will be available shortly on the Company`s web site www.thistlemining.com and on SEDAR.

/For further information: Willie McLucas, President and Chief Executive Officer, william.mclucas(at)thistlemining.com, [phone] or [phone]; In Canada: Harvey McKenzie, Chief Financial Officer, harvey.mckenzie(at)thistlemining.com, [phone]/

© Canada Newswire Ltd.

[Thoemsi]

"Was solls, meine für 0,375 verkauften THT werde ich mindestens zum gleichen Preis zurückbekommen."

Da wär ich mir gar nicht mehr so sicher...




Da lacht mein Depot

[Imoen]

Gaps werden in der Regel immer geschlossen.

Mal gucken ob Anschlusskäufe kommen, nächster stärker Widerstand ist bei c. 0,45

[Khampan]

@ Thoemsi #157


ich sag`s ja, als Kontraindikator tauge ich prima.
Ich hab nur noch nicht herausgefunden, wie ich genau das Gegenteil von dem tun kann, was ich eigentlich wollte.

Khampan

[Thoemsi]

nun warte mal in aller Ruhe ab. Auf die heftige Reaktion folgt normalerweise ein Rücksetzer. Dann sammelst Du gemütlich ein paar cents tiefer die shares ein....

[Thoemsi]

Reuters
Thistle Mining jumps 28 pct after resource discovery
Thursday February 5, 2:42 pm ET

TORONTO, Feb 5 (Reuters) - Shares of Thistle Mining Inc. (Toronto:THT.TO - News) shot up 28 percent on Thursday after the junior gold-miner said it had made a significant resource discovery at its complex in South Africa.

ADVERTISEMENT


Toronto-based Thistle Mining rose as high as 39 Canadian cents, before retreating slightly to 37 Canadian cents, mid afternoon on the Toronto Stock Exchange (News - Websites) , for a gain of 6 Canadian cents, or 21 percent.

More than 8 million shares changed hands, making Thistle the third most-traded company on the exchange.

The discovery, called Distal Eldorado, contains 100,000 ounces in the indicated category and 730,000 ounces in the inferred resource category, amounting to a total of 26 tonnes of gold, the company said in a statement.

An inferred resource is an early stage estimate of metal content based on widely space drill holes and an indicated category is a level of certainty about the resource based on a moderate amount of drilling.

The initial resource identified in the area now exceeds 1.3 million ounces of gold, equivalent to about 41 tonnes in total.

"To take a mature mine and make a new discovery, it`s really good news," said William McLucas, president and chief executive with Thistle.

McLucas points out that establishing a new mine in South Africa can take years because they are so deep.

"The hole and access points are already there," said McLucas.

Thistle expects production from the new discovery to start in the final quarter of this year and said all increased production will be sold on an un-hedged basis.

[Tsuba]

---------------


für die "findings" existiert die komplette

Infrastruktur, Verarbeitsungsanlagen usw.,

weil im Gebiet der "maturate mine" gefunden.


na dann,

Gruss tsuba

[Saccard]

Das ist ja wohl ein Witz, als ob 100000 oz oder 800000 oz (inferred geben andere gesellschaften - gfi - gar nicht erst an) eine Rolle spielen würden.

Und die Produktion mit Verlust bleibt ja immer noch.

So langsam kommt es mal drauf an, entweder es geht höher oder wir sind in einem Abwärtstrend und es geht erstmal wieder Richtung 26/27.

Und beim Gold könnte ich mir 360 bis 380 auch vorstellen, der Euro hat fast gar nicht korrigiert.

Naja, ich würde jedenfalls zur Zeit nur Avocet, Oxus, Croesus oder Thistle halten, alles andere gar nicht mehr.

Gruß
S.

[Khampan]

@ Saccard

Oxus
Kreuzung von Oxiana mit Croesus?

[Tsuba]

________________


Das ist ja ein mächtiger Rundumschlag von SACCARD.

Die Ressourcen wurden in einer eingespielten

und vollständig ausgestatteten Mine gefunden.

Da gibt es Straßen, Mühlen, Leach Anlagen

und nicht zu vergessen erfahrenes Peronal.

Das kann man nicht damit vergleichen, daß

in der Wüste Gobi ein Orbit-Satellit etwas

gemessen hat. Aber wem sag ich das.


Croesus hab ich übrigens gestern zugekauft.


Avocet würd ich mit der Brikettzange nicht

anfassen. Die Rechungslegung dort ist für meine

Begriffe unseriös.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

@ Saccard

Wäre nett wenn Du zu Oxus ein paar Zeilen schreiben würdest...

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Saccard]

Was ist denn daran unseriös?

Ich meine 14m oz Gold, 7m oz Ressourcen, 6m oz Ressourcen in Tadschikistan in fertigen oder halbfertigen Minen für 500 mio Baukosten, Kosten in der Hauptmine bei 190 US$ usw, ist doch nicht schlecht. 20m cash nicht zu vergessen

Gewinne kann man sich einfach ausrechnen. Bei US$395 Goldpreis z.B. 10 bis 11 pence auf`s Jahr hochgerechnet. treiling p/e = 6.

Was kann ich dafür, wenn einige Minen nach zig-100% Plus immer noch genauso billig sind wie andere nach 50 oder 60% Minus?

Gruß
S.

P.S.:
Oxus ist sehr interessant, letztlich aber nicht billiger als avocet und man sehr viele projekte in entscheidenen entwicklungsphasen. Reserven mit ca 100 US$/oz, es kann aber wohl noch viel mehr gefunden werden.

[Saccard]

@Tsuba

Die 730000 oz inferred wurden NICHT gefunden, inferred entspringt immer irgendwelchen Interpretationen, im schlimmsten Fall kann auch 0 vorhanden sein. measured resources werden zu proven reserves und indicated resources zu probable reserves.

Inferred resources können niemals Goldreserven werden!! Infill-drilling o.ä. ist zwingend notwendig um zumindest auf indicated zu kommen.
Das einzige was noch schlechter als inferred ist sind die russ. Kategorien P1 und P2. Im westl. Gebrauch heißt das dann Goldmineralisation. Ist aber nix wert.

Ich gehe immer von der Faustformal aus prov. + prob. reserves = 1/2 measured + ind. resources, stimmt bei open-pit meistens.

und bei den Südafrikanern ist die ganze Diskussion eh Unsinn, als ob es schon jemals einen Mangel an Goldreserven in Südafrika gegeben hätte. Jeder weiß doch, daß thistle min. 2 bis 3 mio oz wenn nicht viel mehr hat. Nur die Produktion von 240 auf 400000 anheben, DAS ist das Problem. Was nützen Goldreserven, die in 30 Jahren abgebaut werden, siehe Driefontein, South Deep, Tau Tona etc.

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

@Saccard

die Logik erinnert an Hegel (der Klipp/Klapp

zwischen proven/probale/measured/inferred

versus Reserven/Resourcen).

So wie es von Dir dargestellt wird.


Es gibt Historiker, die sagen Marx habe

Hegel nur vom Kopf auf die Beine gestellt.


Tsuba ist nicht Marx und Saccard nicht Hegel.


Hinweis für Hanseaten; im Rheinland hat der

Karneval schon begonnen


Schöne Grüsse

Tsuba

[kaepntnemo]

ab #161ff,
ich glaube, hier ist zuviel sachverstand am werke!

tht laeuft doch nur wieder nach oben, weil wieder eine klitzkleine fantasie entsteht, dass wenigstens ein paar unzen zu marktpreis verscherbelt werden koennen und noch nicht aus festgestelltem bestand vorwaerts verkauft sind.
Nicht mehr.

Frage ist nur, wie lange man gewillt ist, sich an diese hoffnung zu klammern...

gruss & alaaf

-nemo-

[Tsuba]

#167

für den Fall, daß die Frage:


Was ist an der FiBu (letzter Quartalsbericht)

der Avocet unseriös?


nicht nur rethorisch gemeint ist.

Im Thread "avocet" ist dazu was gesagt.


Stichwort Darlehensforderung der Avocet

in der Bilanz sollen ausgebucht werden.

Dafür erhält der Schuldner Anteile der Avocet.


wer das nicht versteht, liegt richtig!!!


gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

@Saccard

Habe mal einen kurzen Blick bei Oxus auf die HP riskiert.
190.000 oz p.a. bei Cash costs von 106 US$ klingt wirklich gut. An Ressourcen mangelt es auch nicht und die Aussicht in 2005 die Produktion um 180.000 auf ca. 370.000oz zu steigern (bei cc von 120US$ im Schnitt) weckt mein Interesse.
Wo gräbst Du diese Werte denn immer aus?

Gruß und schönes WE allen Goldies

Thoemsi

[Saccard]

Viele Werte habe ich auch von www.minesite.com

Der Kommentator dort hat NUR Avocet Aktien, und das schon seit sie in Vancouver gelistet waren.

Im Endeffekt bleiben die Abbauregionen ja immer gleich: USA, SA, Rußland, Australien. Australien ist davon das schlechteste Gebiet, SA und Rußland sind die beiden besten.
Die russischen/asiatischen gebiete werden entweder von russischen oder englischen juniors abgebaut und nach England schaut kaum einer wenn es um Goldminen geht. Deswegen sind die so unglaublich billig.

Wenn in Zentralasien erstmal richtig Exploration betrieben wird, dürfte die Region auf lange Sicht sogar Südafrika in den Schatten stellen. Usbekistan hat ja schon die größte Goldmine der Welt.

Rußland selbst ist mir dabei aber etwas riskant, China, Kasachstan, Usbekistan, Tadschikistan usw. bauen ja auch den gleichen gold belt ab.

Ich achte natürlich auch auf GEWINNE. Alle Minen sind zu teuer, in den 30ern haben sie VOR dem bullrun 7% Div. gezahlt. Heute nicht mehr. Thistle usw. machen keine Gewinne. Entweder Minen sind billig (Celtic, Oxus) und haben kaum laufende Produktion oder sie haben Produktion und sind teuer. So was wie Avocet und bald auch Oxus (Produktion kommt ja erst in Fahrt) gibt es selten.

Der vielleicht wichtigste Aspekt sind die Erzkörper. Robert Ch. d. Crespigny hat ja mal sehr interessantes darüber geschrieben. In der Anfangszeit haben die asutralischen Goldschürfer das gold kiloweise aus den Tellern geholt!! heute sind die gleichen deposits uninteressant, weil das Gold sehr vereinzelt vorkommt. Erstmal wird jede Menge Schlamm entfernt (waste to ore ratio..) dann wird das Erz extrahiert mit einem bestimmten Goldgehalt. Bei der Extraktion des Goldes aus dem Erz gibt es billige Verfahren mit z.B. 75% recovery oder teure mit 90 bis 95%. Es gibt sulphide (schlechter) und oxide (besser). Kommt Kohlenstoff im Erz vor (carbonaceous ore), ist die Mine in der Regel unwirtschaftlich. Avocet hat es mit Penjom geschafft, einen solchen Erzkörper durch ein funktionierendes RIL plant wirtschaftlich zu machen. Darum waren die so billig.
Croesus mit Central Norseman hat wiederum das Problem, daß zwar Unmengen an Gold vorhanden sind, aber nur in Adern, die sich durch Bohrergebnisse nicht verifizieren lassen. Es ist also immer viel mehr Gold vorhanden als ausgewiesen ist und das wird sich kaum ändern. Aber bei 68 Jahren geschichte kann man davon ausgehen, das Central Norseman noch min. 10 Jahre produziert und damit 1.5 mio oz Reserven hat, damit kauft man eine Reserveunze für 70 US$. Die offiziellen Goldreserven sind dagegen nur ca. 2 Jahre und man zahlt 250 bis 300 US$, was zwar teuer aber verglichen mit Newmont, Barrick usw. noch i.O. ist.

Gruß
S.

[Saccard]

Tsuba
Welches Dokument meinst du genau? Avocet gibt nur Halbjahresberichte raus und Produktionszahlen. Von welchem Datum ist das Dokument und was meinst du genau (englischer Wortlaut)?

Die Wolfram Minen wurden ja an eine kanadische Firma ausgegliedert, die Avocet Geld schuldet.
Außerdem schuldet die tadschikische Tochter Avocet 90 mio US$, Avocet hat nur 49% an der tadschikischen Tochtergesellschaft, die restlichen 51% hält Tadschikistan.
Solange die 90 mio nicht abbezahlt sind, gehen 100% der Gewinne an Avocet trotz 49% Anteil.

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

Saccard,

es geht um Tahikistan Tochter "Zeravshan Gold Company" ZGK.


Quelle ist die homepage von Avocet:

Financial Reports per 30.09.03 mit Datum vom 26.11.03

kann als pdf Dokument downloaded werden (ist nur wenige

Seiten lang)


"Title 2004 Interim Results":


Negotiations with the Tajikistan Government

concerning a swap of shareholder loans

owed to Avocet for certain benefits,

including an increase in Avocet´s

shareholding to above 49%, are ongoing.



Dazu paßt der Inhalt des Testats der

WP´s "Grant Thornton, Chartered Accountants,

London", die hier "geprüft" haben

(ist im Dokument enthalten).


Gruss

Tsuba

PS: Hab keine Avocet und es geht mich nichts

an. Deshalb ist dies auch meine letzte

Äußerung dazu.

[Saccard]

Ganz einfach
1. Avocet kauft 44% von ZGC (ehemaliger Besitzer Nelson Resources)
2. Avocet kauft 5% von ZGC (ehemaliger besitzer IFC)
3. Avocet kauft alle Schulden von ZGC:
"Avocet has, to date, purchased 49% of ZGC and loans to ZGC in excess of US$90 million from the IFC and from Nelson Resources. The ZGC debt is owed entirely to Avocet controlled companies, not to a third party nor to the Republic of Tajikistan, which owns the remaining 51% equity of ZGC. As a result of the loans owed to it by ZGC, Avocet now controls 100% of the cashflow of ZGC until such time as this debt is repaid to Avocet or restructured. Avocet has initiated negotiations with the Government of the Republic of Tajikistan in order to forgive some of this debt in exchange for certain beneficial conditions that include Avocet owning a greater equity interest in ZGC."

Heißt also, daß ZGC vorher 90 Mio US$ Nelson und IFC geschuldet hat und jetzt diese 90 Mio US$ Avocet schuldet.

Avocet hält 49% von ZGC und Tadschikistan hält 51%. Solange ZGC die 90 Mio nicht an Avocet zurückgezahlt hat sieht Tadschikistan keinen einzigen cent von dem 51% Anteil.
Im Endeffekt schuldet Tadschikistan Avocet 46 mio US$, aber eben nur über ZGC, nicht direkt.
Avocet erläßt der 49% Tochter ZGC nun diese 90 mio US$ Schulden und erhält dafür Aktien, so daß der Anteil von 49% auf viel mehr steigt. Außerdem wird über Steuervorteile verhandelt. Wenn Tadschikistan nicht zustimmt, erhält Avocet eben die 46 mio US$ möglicher Gewinne, die sonst Tadschikistan erhalten hätte. Die restlichen 44 Mio US$ schuldet Avocet sich ja sozusagen selbst.

Ich denke mal, daß die 46 mio bei einer 120 mio US$ market cap Gesellschaft schon eine gewisse Rolle spielen.

Ach ja, ZGC hält insgesamt 14 mio oz Goldmineralisation (C1,C2,P1,P2), 7 mio oz Goldressourcen(C1,C2), 3 mio davon in 2 russischen Untertageminen, die in den 80ern für 500 mio US$ errichtet wurden.

Gruß
S.

[Thoemsi]

"Die russischen/asiatischen gebiete werden entweder von russischen oder englischen juniors abgebaut und nach England schaut kaum einer wenn es um Goldminen geht. Deswegen sind die so unglaublich billig."

Das könnte eine Begründung sein. Sollten Werte wie Avocet früher oder später von der "breiten Masse" (der Goldinteressierten) entdeckt werden, sind da wohl noch ganz gewaltige Kurssteigerungen möglich.

Wie gesagt die Zahlen/Eckdaten alles top. Ich habe immer nur gewisse Hemmungen in Aktien im größeren Stil reinzugehen, die schon kanpp 1.000% innerhalb kurzer Zeit gemacht haben. Da ist mir das Rückschlagpotential einfach zu hoch.

Crousus habe ich auch eine kleine Position. Drooy auch, obwohl teuer (und die ganze SA-Palette halt . Da spielt eben meine Erwartung bez. des Rand mit rein.

Schwergewicht halt Thistle. Aktuell Verluste, klar, aber bei einem schwächelnden Rand geht da richtig die Post ab, der Hebel ist enorm. Und langfristig erleben wir noch ganz andere Goldpreise. Aber das brauch ich Dir ja nicht erzählen...

Oxus scheint mir auf den ersten Blick im Vergleich zu Avocet rel. teuer: doppelte MK, aber geringere Produktion. In 1-2 Jahren kann das natürlich dann anders aussehen. Mal schauen was sich da noch an Kaufkursen ergibt...

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

#173


Was Croesus mit Central Norseman angeht,

bin ich mit Saccard im Ergebnis und in der

Begründung d´accord.

Es geht mir nicht um den Konflikt.



Und wenn Saccard die Avocet gut findet,

ist mir das fremd. Aber es zwingt,

die eigenen Parameter zu überprüfen.


Für mich ist es ein herrliches Privileg, an der eigenen

Unzulänglichkeit scheitern zu dürfen.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Saccard]

Oxus scheint dafür aber wesentlich bessere Produktion zu haben mit 100 bis 120 US$ cash costs.

Celtic resources könnte man sich ja auch mal anschauen.

Bei Thistle wäre ich wirklich vorsichtig, es könnte gut und gerne nochmal bis 26 runter laufen. warum nicht? alles ist möglich. normalerweise müßte man thistle bei verlusten stück für stück verkaufen und bei steigenden kursen wieder einsammeln. nur geht das bei marktengen werten mit hohem spread nicht vernünftig.

Ich hab daher erstmal alles ausgekehrt und hab ja auch noch meine Euro shorts. Ich rechne damit, daß der Euro nochmal bis 1.17 zurückkommt oder evtl. gar nicht mehr gegen US$ steigt, weil USA M3 -1%, Japan M3 -1% und Euroland M3 +8%. Wenn der Euro Goldkurs so bleibt, hätten wir in US$ 375..

Ich empfehle einfach mal durchzurechnen: Gold = 375 US$, Euro 1.17, XAU 80, HUI 180, Thistle 0.26. Wenn dir deine Verluste dann zu groß sind, würde ich halt irgendwo Positionen abbauen, muß ja nicht Thistle selbst sein. Und traden muß ja keine Gewinne bringen, Verluste minimieren reicht auch. Ich z.B. hab am Freitag noch `nen 20T Block Avocets zu 62.50 rausgeschmissen um mal anzutesten, war aber nicht schwach genug. Sonst hätte ich ein paar mal nachgelegt. Naja, zu 64 wieder rein und gut ist. Also ich komme z.B. mit Avocet Kursen bis 53 gut hin.

Gruß
S.

[Thoemsi]

"Bei Thistle wäre ich wirklich vorsichtig, es könnte gut und gerne nochmal bis 26 runter laufen"

Ich stell mir lieber nicht vor wie tief es da wirklich gehen kann wenns hart auf hart kommt...

Ich gehe allerdings (kurzfristig) eher von einem Euro in Richtung 1,35 aus. Dann wäre Gold ca. bei 430, bei Drooy würde ich dann einen Großteil (bei 4,20 rum) rausfwerfen. Thistle dürfte das nicht viel bringen, weil der Rand dann ebenfalls stark gegenüber dem $ bleibt(zumindest kurzfristig)
Also short im Euro ich weis nicht so recht, dann lieber short im Hui als Absicherung... Aber in die Richtung mach ich so oder so nix.

Läuft es dann optimal, schießt der Rand, sobald sich die Schwäche des $ erschöpft auf über 8 innerhalb kurzer zeit.(in den letzten Wochen hat man ja gesehen wie volatil es da zugeht)Das sollte Thistle dann mal "stabil" über 0,50 befördern, selbst wenn Gold bis 375 zurückkommt. Bleibt der Rand hingegen stark, dann sind wir bei deinen 0,26 oder schlimmer Wie ich mich kenne, werde ich dann noch Thistle zukaufen.
Bei Gold 375 gäbe es Avocet/Oxus evtl. zu Kursen um die 50 rum, wo ich dann einige kaufen würde.

Gruß

Thoemsi

p.s. In nächster Zeit sollte Gold so langsam mal in allen Währungen steigen.

[Thoemsi]

Habe mal einen Blick auf Celtic geworfen. An der aktuellen Produktion gemessen schon "relativ" teuer, aber der Hammer ist halt Nezhdaninskoye in Rußland. Dort wird die Produktion progressiv von 2003 mit nur 16.000 oz und hohen cc (350) auf im Jahre 2008 494.000 oz und degressiven cc zu dann nur noch 87US$/ oz!
Das liesse den Gewinn in den kommenden Jahren geradezu explodieren!! V.a. muß man noch berücksichtigen, daß wir in 2008 einen Goldpreis von weit über 400 haben dürften!

Insgesamt sieht das dann so aus:

2003: 60.000 oz zu cc von 224
2004: 153.000 oz zu cc von 185
2005: 340.000 oz zu cc von 140
2006: 442.000 oz zu cc von 137
2007: 506.000 oz zu cc von 118
2008: 673.000 oz zu cc von 103

Zu bedenken ist sicherlich das pol. Risiko in Rußland. Zur Zuverlässigkeit der o.g. Schätzungen kann ich momentan auch noch nichts sagen.
Aber meiner Meinung scheint Saccard da wieder einen Wert ausgegraben zu haben, der im Vergleich zu anderen Produzenten spottbillig ist.

Gruß

Thoemsi

p.s. Der Wert hat halt im letzten jahr auch schon gute 400% gemacht, so daß doch erhebliches Rückschlagpotential besteht...

[Tsuba]

@THOEMSI,

Celtic hat diese Übersetzerin (Foto homepage Celtic)





Solche Augen können nicht lügen


Celtic, rein ins Depot!!

Will damit garnichts spezielles sagen.

Nur, mir ist sowas immer noch aussagekräftiger

als ein Chart oder eine Prognose zur Euro-Entwicklung.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

@ Tsuba

von Charttechnik halte ich auch nichts. Aber ein gewisses Rückschlgpotential läßt sich daraus m.E. nach schon ableiten. Kann natürlich auch sein das sich der Wert erst nochmal verdoppelt bevor es zu einem Rücksetzer kommt.

Was eben richtig interessant ist, ist die geplante Produktion und die dazugehörenden Cash costs. Wenn dann noch die Übersetzerin hinzu kommt, solls mir recht sein...

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

@Thoemsi,

hab´die homepage von Celtic nur flüchtig

überflogen. Die hübsche Übersetzerin

scheint das beste dort zu sein.


Celtic exploriert alles: 30 Mio Unzen

Gold, andere Edelmetalle, Buntmetalle,

andere Basismetalle, Erdöl und Erdgas.


Irgendwie hat die Londoner Börse

ein Herz für solche AG´s. In Toronto

würd´ man sich wahrscheinlich vor Lachen

biegen. So als wollte sich jemand

einschreiben lassen, der ein Fahrrad erfunden

hat mit dem man zum Mond fahren kann.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Für mich spielt nur die Goldförderung eine Rolle (ist ja wohl auch ganz klar Mittelpunkt der Unternehmenstätigkeit)

Das jetzt nicht ausschließlich Gold exploriert und gefördert wird ändert trotzdem an der Profitabilität des Unternahmens nichts, v.a in Bezug auf Gold. Verstehe dein Problem nicht ganz.

[Tsuba]

das Problem ist, daß eine Kontrolle der

Aussagen der Explorer, aber auch der produzierenden

Minen, für unsereinen praktisch unmöglich ist.

Da bleibt meist nur übrig, die Aussagen der AG´s

auf Widerspruchsfreiheit, Konkretheit, Wahrschein-

lichkeit usw abzufragen. Da stört es mich schon,

wenn so viel versprochen wird und die Detailgenauigkeit

"dünn" ist.

Eine Chance für unsereinen ist, daß die Trickser

ganz besonders dick auftragen.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Saccard]

Naja, bei Celtic weiß man nun wirklich nicht was dabei letztendlich herauskommen wird. bei der russischen "Mine" sollte man von den 30 mio oz Gold mal gleich ganz schnell 15 mio P1 und P2 abziehen, dann bleiben 15 mio oz resourcen und ein paar mio oz Reserven.

Daß Celtic aber in Kanada keine Chance hätte, ist Unsinn. Läßt sich doch wunderbar mit Bema vergleichen. Celtic kostet 22 US$/resource oz, Avocet 40 und Bema 160 US$.
Bema kostet außerdem US$500/reserve oz, da kann ich mir ja gleich Goldcorp kaufen ohen russisches Risiko und mit ganz anderen Produktionskosten.
Oder wäre Avocets Produktion genauso bewertet wie die von Bema, dann stünde Avocet jetzt bei 5.x GBP.

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

Wenn ich die Konzernbilanz auf der

homepage von Celtic richtig gelesen

und verstanden habe:

Bilanzsumme per 31.12.2002 Brit. Pfund 55 Mio,

davon 41 Mio Akt.Aufwand (Explorationsausgaben).

Aktuelle Marktkapitalisierung 168 Mio.

Jetzt kann man immer streiten ist das Glas

halb voll oder halbleer. Mein Befund ziemlich

leer.



Gruss

Tsuba

[Saccard]

ja eben, deswegen sind sie ja so billig. ich hab selber auch keine. nicht zu verachten ist aber, daß die deutsche mit drin steckt.

gruß
s.

[Tsuba]

@Saccard,

der Hinweis auf die 13% der Deutschen beeindruckt

mich nicht. Das hatte ich schon gesehen.

Sollte aus Celtic tatsächlich was werden,

brauchen die eine Kapitalerhöhung von

100 Mio Pfund (und zusätzlich Bankkredite).

Das wird ein Hexenkesssel, da muß ich nicht

als erster drin sitzen. vielleicht wenn es sich

danach abkühlt.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Saccard]

Hihi,

richtig erkannt.

ich bin immer wieder erstaunt wie wild hier Explorer und Produzenten zusammengeschmissen werden.

Es ist sehr wohl ein Unterschied, ob man produziert oder ob 0 Infrastruktur vorhanden ist. Z.B. plant Placer Dome / Novagold ja 600 mio ein für eine 0.6 mio oz Mine. Im Schnitt (10 Jahre Reserven) brauche ich also 100 US$ Kapitalkosten je Reserveunze.
Ein guter Explorer ist 80 US$/reserveunze wert, aber nur dann wenn das Projekt Weltklasse ist mit Expansionspotential, siehe Barricks Akquisitionen.
Deswegen hab ich auch keine Celtic R., Oxus oder sonstwas, sondern Avocet. 120000 oz produktion für <150 US$ cash costs über das restliche Minenleben, die neue 50000 ozpa Mine in Indonesien ist auch schon finanziert usw.

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

auf den müssen wir aufpassen.

Das ist der Hund von Grünspan:





(Japan. Meisterfoto, Studie Licht/Schatten)


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Da ist auch der böse Grünspan dran schuld...



Kein Wunder das Thistle heute wieder verloren hat. Ab 0,25 fliegt Drooy raus und Thistle wird nachgekauft, da bin ich jetzt stur :O

[Thoemsi]

Thistle talks up President Steyn`s prospects
February 11, 2004

Cape Town - Thistle Mining, the Canadian junior gold producer that owns the President Steyn gold complex in the Free State, aims to become one of the top 10 producers by tripling its annual output to 600 000 ounces in the next two years.

Willie McLucas, the president and chief executive of Thistle, plans to double existing South African output from a marginal 220 000 ounces to 400 000 ounces of gold a year.

Participating in this year`s Investing in Africa Mining Conference, Thistle last week said it had discovered a significant new resource at the complex.

The Distal Eldorado discovery, amounting to 26 tons of gold, comes in the nick of time with the original complex almost completely mined out.

Believed to be the largest gold field in the world, the area that is home to President Steyn has produced about 200 million ounces of gold since the 1950s.

McLucas claimed there were about 150 million ounces left. The company believed it had only explored 15 percent of the reef.

The President Steyn mines are among the only gold mines in the area not owned by Harmony Gold, the largest producer of gold from South African mines.

Harmony consolidated the Free State gold fields in under a year through a merger with ARMgold, its partner in the Freegold Joint Venture, and later by participating in a massive three-company deal with Anglovaal Mining (Avmin).

Once complete, the intricately linked transactions making up the Harmony-ARM-Avmin merger will deliver the Target gold mine into Harmony`s hands.


This means President Steyn, discarded by local majors as an exhausted asset, will be surrounded by Harmony mines.

What is more, McLucas`s team has set its sights on an exploration target just south of Target.

Making no mention of a sale but having admitted on previous occasions that everything was for sale at the right price, McLucas said Thistle would press on with its Eldorado Massives project. The development is reportedly already in production.

Through the process of continuous development in the northern section, Thistle has increased its resources base but the 15 percent lower gold price of R85 000/kg has forced the company to restate its reserves.

Excluding the discovery, reserves stand at 2.7 million ounces compared with 3.2 million ounces reported in October 2002.

Canaccord Capital said last month that Thistle was losing close on $1 million a month as a result of the strong rand.

Mike Jones, the mining analyst at Canaccord, said the C$44.7 million (R233 million) raised by Thistle via a warrants issue in January satisfied a "funding gap" that would plug negative cash flow until the newer sections at President Steyn could contribute.

Thistle has not yet concluded an empowerment deal, but McLucas told Minesite that the company would involve a trade partner and its own workers for a portion of the transaction.

President Steyn employs about 5 000 people.

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Bin echt mal gespannt wies weitergeht. Ob da noch was mit Harmony gedeichselt wird? Aktuell ist Thistle jedenfalls nicht in der Lage eine gute Verhandlungsposition ausnutzen zu können....
Was passiert, wenn der Rand stark bleibt, noch ne Kapitalerhöhung? Die Zeit arbeitet jedenfalls eindeutig gegen uns. Aber jetzt aufgeben?
Ich für meinen Teil glaube, daß wir dieses Jahr noch stürmische, positive Zeiten erleben werden. Und das mir jetzt keiner mit "Durchhalteparolen...etc." ankommt
Im April wird die Durchführbarkeitsstudie des Masbate Projekt vorliegen, Anfang 2005 solls dort mit der Produktion losgehen.

Thistle ist ne heisse Kiste, keine Frage. Aber wenn alles gut geht werden hier eben die ganz dicken Früchte geernet, wie es sie an der Börse nur selten gibt. Und die lasse ich mir jedenfalls nicht entgehen....

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Saccard]

Und die Steuern? Die Südafrikaner zahlen im Moment keine Steuern. Bei keinem Gewinn 0%, bei guter Marge 46%. Wenn die jetzt gierig werden und die Steuern erhöhen, dann heißt das nichts anderes als daß bei höherem Randgoldpreis die guten Minen statt 46% nur viel weniger Steuern bezahlen müssen. Die Schrottminen Harmony, Durban etc. müßten dann aber wesentlich mehr Steuern zahlen.

Gruß
S.

[Tsuba]

Thistle ist grundsolide.

Gemeint ist die Comagnie.

Deshalb kann mich da sogar

ein Kursverlust von 90% nicht aufregen.

Man muß in so einem Fall allerdings

reagieren.

Hab´ich noch krasser mit 95 % Verlust

bei TVX schon hinter mir.

Merksatz:

Zwangsjacke und güldene Krone

schließen sich nicht aus.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Basic]

Die Jacke hab ich schon...
fehlt nur noch die Krone

hihi

[Imoen]

Ich hab ein paar Kronen.

[Tsuba]

______________


in jeder Klapse gibt es Kaiser und Könige,

Päpste und Nobelpreisträger;

aber keine, die glauben sie seien Broker.

Das Sozialprestige in diesem Beruf muß gering sein.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Basic]

bei TVX kommen mir auch so ein paar Erinnerungen aus den Tiefen meines Unterbewustseins

na ja schaun wir mal wo Thistel so hin thistelt.

Sino hab ich auch noch mal nachgeladen.

Gruß Basic

[Tsuba]

___________

über den (erstmaligen) Kauf von Sino

hab ich vor kurzem auch nachgedacht.

Mich dann aber entschieden, Croesus

aufzustocken. CRS hatte vor 2-3 Jahren

den Traditionsladen Central Norseman

übernommen. Norseman hatte immer

eine spezielle "Reservenstruktur".

(Saccard hatte darüber zuletzt noch in diesem

Thread geschrieben.)


Gruss

Saccard

[Tsuba]

____________

heute eine Probeportion Sino gekauft ca. 1,44 €.

Rotchina als Investitionsland?!

Andererseits für die Business-Kommunisten

über die Sino ein Brückenkopf nach AustralAsien.

Und das zumindest formal USA-frei.

Kapiert was Gold bedeutet und was man damit "regeln" kann,

haben die Chinesen seit 4000 Jahren.

Da braucht denen keiner was zu erklären.


Gruss

Tsuba

[hpoth]

#202,
Die China-Leute bauen heimlich ihre Goldreserven aus, sollen schon 1000 Tonnen haben,wrd aber alles fast geheim
gehalten.mfg hpoth

[hpoth]

#202
Wo immer Gold war, war auch wirtschaftlicher Aufschwung vorhanden.Gold wanderete von Osten übers Mittelmerr ( Rom)von dort langsam nach Westen ( USA) , jetzt wandert Gold wieder von Westen nach Osten ( China) wo wird die nächste Wohlstandzone entstehen ? Glaube mal China ist wieder dran.Gut das dauert, aber es geht jetzt schneller als vor 4000 Jahren. mfg hpoth

[Thoemsi]

Erfreulich, daß sich Thistle heute trotz des starken Rand behaupten kann....Es gibt wohl noch mehr von der Sorte Mensch, die im Vegetarierrestaurant ein Schnitzel bestellen, wie ich in einem anderen Thread so treffend lesen konnte

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Nevadabob]

I`ve sold off some more shares and will now buy even more EGX, imo.

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http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP. EAGCF (EAGCF: OTC:BB) (Nasdaq)
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=eagcf&s…

EURASIA GOLD CORP.
Eurasia Gold Corp. is a gold producing company incorporated in Canada and
headquartered in Toronto, Ontario.
The company operates two gold mines in the Republic of Kazakhstan through
its wholly owned subsidiary, Andas-Altyn LLP.

EURASIA GOLD CORP.
▪ Record production of 8,596 ounces of gold during the third quarter

▪ 7,443 ounces were sold during the 3rd quarter

▪ It is the Company’s policy to operate as an unhedged gold
producer in order to allow shareholders to benefit from any rise in
the gold price.

▪ It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its annual gold
production incrementally to 60,000 ounces.

▪ it is proposed that an additional exploration of ore zones
at Central Mukur will be initiated to further increase the mineable
reserves during 2004.

▪ The Kazakh government has placed a priority on the
development of the gold industry.

Eurasia Gold Corp.
Suite 2215 - 120 Adelaide Street West
Toronto, Ontario
Canada M5H 1T1

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp (EGX:TSX-V) Toronto, (EAGCF: OTC:BB) Nasdaq.
Please do your own DD before investing, imo.

Best regards, MfG,

[Basic]

Hallo Thomsi,
erst Thistele jetzt Sino Gold und Galleri Gold haben heut auch schon die Kurve bekommen. Schaun wir mal.

Gruß Basic

[Tsuba]

________________

PoG 415 ist ja langweilig.

Aber Rand 6,58 und Aus$ 1,25

sind für die lokalen GMinen Gift.


Denke das normalisiert sich

zumindest beim Rand. Süd-Afrika

hat zuviele Belastungen noch aus

der Apartheid-Zeit.


Südamerika könnte bald stärker gespielt

werden





Z. B. Desert Sun Mining (DSM) WKN 904583


Gruss

Tsuba

[hpoth]

DSM habe ich auch, aber diese tolle Frau ist ja auch nicht zuverachten.gruß hpoth

[Imoen]

Dem Rand trau ich noch locker die 6 in Kürze zu.

[Imoen]

D.h. wenn die 6,50 nicht hält dürfte schnell die 6,24 angetestet werden und dann schaun mehr mal.

[Tsuba]

___________


Die schöne Lady in Goldbronze erinnert an El Dorado.


Der wurde geölt und dann mit Goldstaub

bedeckt. Zusammen mit seinem Hofstaat

befuhr er den See an dem sich die

Gemeinde versammelt hatte. Er tauchte

ins Wasser und verwandelte sich vom

Gott zum Mensch.


Ein bischen Imagination ...


tsuba

[Tsuba]

____________

genug Belletristik. Von den

im Thread angesprochenen

Werten sind meine Favoriten

in der Reihenfolge:

Thistle 903237 Kurs heute 0,21 €

Croesus 871679 0,35 €

Sino G 164185 1,55 €

bei mir im Verhältnis 70:20:10=100

(die 100% sind wiederum 25% im Gesamtdepot,

welches fast nur aus GM "GOLDONLY" besteht).





Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Bei mir siehts mit Thistle so aus wie bei den Quants und BMW: kanpp über 50%

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

____________


@Saccard,

sollte es Dir mal passen, können wir

über Goldmines of Sardinia AIM:GMN

diskutieren.

vielleicht Deine Kragenweite ??


Gruss

tsuba

[Saccard]

Nicht wirklich, hab mal was von `nem 2km x soundso open pit auf Sardinien gelesen. Ich glaub nicht wirklich dran. Minen in Europa sind verdammt gefährlich. Dann lieber gabriel Res. in Rumänien obwohl ich die auch nicht kaufen würde.

Gruß
S.

[Saccard]

Langsam wird`s spannend, neue Hochs oder nur `ne Korrektur im Abwärtstrend. Bei Avocet könnte sich ein DOwntrend entwickeln, hab mal heute mit 30000 angetestet, der Kurs ist um 1/2 pence zurückgegangen, bei Schwäche schmeiß ich vielleicht größere Stückzahlen.

Gruß
S.

[Thoemsi]

Bei Thistle mach ich nix. Die haben sich erstaunlich gut gehalten trotz der jüngsten Randstärke. Ich hab z.B Africander Lease gegeben, bei Drooy werde ich vielleicht einen Teil raushauen um im Fall der Fälle wieder einsammeln zu können.
Trotzdem gehe ich kurzfristig immer noch von einem Euro/$ von über 1,30 aus.
Avocet kaufe ich bei 50 rum welche dazu. Oxus muß ich mir noch überlegen, aber ne kleine Position kann eigentlich nicht schaden...

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Saccard]

Ich wär im Moment sehr vorsichtig. Ich gehe von `nem vielleicht mehrere Jahre fallenden Euro aus. Gold in US$ schwach bis gleichbleibend, evtl. sogar neue Hochs. In Euro hat Gold viel viel mehr Potential (siehe auch die Werbung hier, Gold ohne Dollarrisiko -> Gold steigt in Euro und die "Zertifikate"-Looser machen trotzdem Verluste).

Überleg doch mal was passiert wenn Kerry die Wahl gewinnt. Und 400 Mrd. Defizit ist ja wohl als Begründung ein Witz, die USA hatte IMMER ein Defizit, das liegt in der Natur der Sache. Entweder US$-Standard mit US-Handelsb.def. oder gar keine Papierwährungen. Ich bin jedenfalls im Moment 50% US$ long und 50% Yen long gegenüber Euro und werde das auch nicht ändern. Sobald die US-Zinsen steigen, sehen wir noch ganz andere Kurse als die kürzlichen 1.24!! Denn die Euro-Zinsen dürften noch weiter sinken und das heißt evtl. sogar höhere US-Zinsen als Eurozinsen. Was dann passiert sieht man ja am Pfund.

Das einzige was ich noch kaufen würde wären vielleicht Euro-Langläufer oder USD-kurzfristige Anleihen.

Gruß
S.

[Thoemsi]

Ein starker Dollar in Euro heißt ja indirekt auch ein stärkerer Dollar in Rand. Gold dürfte in USD zumindest nicht schwächer werden, was einen Anstieg in Rand bedeutet. Da sitzen wir doch im richtigen Boot!?

"Gold steigt in Euro und die " Zertifikate" -Looser machen trotzdem Verluste"

Die ganze Spielerei mit den Zertifikaten ist doch albern. Das einzige was ich noch legitim finde ist kurzfristig was zur Absicherung, damit ich die Minen drinlassen kann.

Ansonsten gibts bei mir momentan nur Goldminen und harte Währung (Krügerränder)

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Saccard]

Überall bubbles:
1. Aktien-Euphorie
2. Euro-Euphorie
3. Goldaktien-Bulle
4. Gold-Bulle

Und das ganze in der Reihenfolge.

Ich wette es kommt noch im 1. Halbjahr zu einer entscheidenden Änderung, wahrscheinlich genauso signifikant wie Januar bis März 2000.
In den letzten Jahren haben wir nur die Techno-Bubble abgebaut. Der Dax steht währungsbereinigt in US$ doch eigentlich auch bei 5500 bis 6000, Dow Jones bei über 10000, Euro 30% nach Big Mac Index überbewertet gegenüber US$. Euro gegenüber Yen wäre bei einem fairen Big Mac Index Gleichstand 96 statt 136. Goldaktien wie Bema sind teilweise so teuer wie noch nie oder wie will man 500 US$/Reserve Unze rechtfertigen? Andere sind günstig, eine auffallende Divergenz. Gold selbst ist in den meisten Währungen billig, in US$ teuer. Gold könnte bald einen wirklichen bullrun starten.

Und da ich davon ausgehe, daß der Yen in Zukunft richtig schön teuer wird, gegenüber Euro so teuer wie der Euro jetzt gegen den Yen ist, wird sich der Yen in Euro im Wert verdoppeln, 1:67 statt 1:136.

Gruß
S.

[Imoen]

@thoemsi

Das kommt ja nun wirklich auf die Art des Zerties ud die Risikobereitschaft an.

[Thoemsi]

Imoen, ich hab ja nix gegen die Zertis für einen kurzen Zock oder als Absicherung. Aber mehr sollten sie meiner Meinung nach wirklich nicht sein.

@ Saccard

Es gilt eben das was immer gilt: die guten (billigen) Minen ins Töpfchen, die teuren an die Lemminge

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

Zitat aus #222


"Überall bubbles:
1. Aktien-Euphorie
2. Euro-Euphorie
3. Goldaktien-Bulle
4. Gold-Bulle

Und das ganze in der Reihenfolge." Zitat-Ende



Da herrscht Klarheit.

Kann mich problemlos bei Kardinalziffer 3. einreihen.


Habe mir einige Queenstake 924828 zugelegt.

Die haben Mine in Mexiko verkauft

und dafür produzierende (Untertage)=Mine USA erworben.

Wollte meine Länderrisiken etwas diversifizieren.


Habe zuletzt etwas Herald 872452 gegeben. Die waren

gut gelaufen.


Gruss

Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

Tremendous opportunity

I`ve sold more THT and bought EGX

Tremendous opportunity in the Gold Producer Eurasia Gold Corp.

EURASIA GOLD CORP. (EGX:TSX-V) (Canadian Stock Exchange)
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP.
▪ Record production of 8,596 ounces of gold during the third quarter

▪ 7,443 ounces were sold during the 3rd quarter

▪ It is the Company’s policy to operate as an unhedged gold
producer in order to allow shareholders to benefit from any rise in
the gold price.

▪ It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its annual gold
production incrementally to 60,000 ounces.

▪ it is proposed that an additional exploration of ore zones
at Central Mukur will be initiated to further increase the mineable
reserves during 2004.

▪ The Kazakh government has placed a priority on the
development of the gold industry.

Eurasia Gold Corp (EGX:TSX-V) Toronto, (EAGCF: OTC:BB) Nasdaq.
Please do your own DD before investing,

http://www.eurasiagold.com

in my opinion,
Best regards, MfG,

[Thoemsi]

Heute läuft der gute mal wieder in "unsere" Richtung...

[Tsuba]

___________






Heut´ist richtig was los an den Märkten.

Karten werden neu gemischt.

Für Bibelfeste, "die letzten werden die ersten sein".

Das macht Spass!!

[Thoemsi]

@ Tsuba

zieht die sich auch aus? Die neue Firewall blockiert wohl die Animation

[Tsuba]

___________



Thoemsi,

ist so mit Toronto-Börse abgesprochen,

daß sie erst bei THT 0,50 Can$ beginnt.

Also bald.

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Na hoffentlich scheint nächste Woche die Sonne, sonst wird ihr das bestimmt zu kalt so ganz oben ohne

Gruß

Thoemsi

[Tsuba]

Wackeltest für THT




Noch nicht hingucken. Erst bei 0,50 Can$ sichtbar.

Wir THT - Aktionäre brauchen eine Aufmunterung.


Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Ok OK, ab 0,60 CAD kommt sie bei jedem THT Aktionär auf nen Abend vorbei. Ich wette dann bleibt der Computer aus




p.s. Nach der Ankündigung sollte es schnell auf 0,36 hochlaufen...

[Tsuba]

-----------

Bei der Möblierung im Büro kann man es aushalten:





(Vorsicht Museumsobjekt, Pop Art, Allen Jones)


Ich kann mir vorstellen, irgendwann mal in so was

zu investieren (und meinen Spaß dran zu haben).


Für die Kaffern Minen war das heute ein guter Tag.

Sogar für die Austral-Minen. Der Aus$ hat wenigstens

etwas nachgegeben.

Insgesamt trotz aller Aufregung:

bei den Minen nichts Neues

Gruss

Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

There`s no substitute for Gold stocks,
but MORE GOLD STOCKS!

-

IN WHAT TO DO - I recommend buying EGX Gold shares -

So far, the downward corrections in the Gold market have
been mild and they`re again showing renewed strength,
or at least holding firm, which is a good sign.

GOLD $399.00 Up $1.80/oz

The U.S. dollar will soon again be hitting
new lows - falling off the cliff - and this alone
should continue to give these markets a boost.

Plus, the industrialization of China is having an enormous
impact on Gold, oil and many commodities.

Believe this mega global trend will continue and it`ll
keep upward pressure on these markets.

As the charts show, these are major trends currently
underway and it looks like they have much further
to go on the upside.
So stay with your positions and enjoy the ride
for as long as it lasts.

There`s no substitute for Gold stocks,
but MORE GOLD STOCKS!

I`ve got GOLD FEVER and the only prescription is to buy more EGX!

EGX is my insurance when the paper currencies crash!

I`m in the banking business and know what is going on.

USD will show the way for the other paper currencies,
it goes downwards faster than one might think.

One cannot purchase real estate with worthless printed
paper currency!

I plan to buy a little house near Basel for the EGX profit!

You have got to have gold stocks, and EGX is a very good choice!

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)

Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

imo, Regards, MfG

[Nevadabob]

Go for the GOLD! Go for the EGX GOLD!

Kazakhstan was ussr`s largest Gold Producing region.

Kazakhstan: Liberty & Independence: 16 December 1991
(from the Soviet Union USSR)

Eurasia Gold Corp. DD

All data weekly - History repeat itself
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

1 year daily
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

Video Clip from GATA about GOLD
http://www.smartstox.com/interviews/gata.html

Hard Asset PM Gold Mine Investing.

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

http://www.eurasiagold.com
http://www.ivarkreuger.com
IMO, Best regards,

[Nevadabob]

Old, very old roads are opened again!



Kazakhstan - the central hub of The Eurasian Land-Bridge.

Larger than all Western Europe, Kazakhstan is a vast country of
steppes and mountains rich in natural beauty.

For thousands of years Kazakhstan was also a natural bridge between East
and West, with a northern spur of The Silk Road running through parts of
southern Kazakhstan.

Archaeological finds from the Kazakh region where the northern route
of The Silk Road ran show early trade ties with Europe, China and Persia.

Most of Kazakhstan`s Silk Road sites are concentrated in an easily
reached area of the country well served by transport from the
capital, Almaty.

The Gold Man, now at the national museum in Almaty, was a
young Saka prince discovered at the Issyk burial mound not far from
the Kazakh capital, Almaty, in a grave untouched by looters. Dating
from the 4th century BC, the tomb contained over 4,000 finely wrought
golden relics, including a dagger depicting 21 animals.



The Ancient City of Taraz is more than 2,000 years old and over the
centuries grew into a vital commercial centre where Gold,
silver, bronze, silk, leather and other goods were traded.

Old, very old roads are opened again and North American corporations
should make sure to stay on top of the bidding processes for the
Eurasian Land-Bridge.

ALWEG in SEATTLE,

My favorite spot for seafood - SkyCity at the Space Needle
There I get a good view over my Golden Investments!


ALWEG in COLOGNE
Dr. Wenner-Grens revolutionary monorail system seemed in those days
to be a very outlandish idea,
but MAN!! What A Great Invention!!

ALWEG in JAPAN

Osaka (city line) monorail train in depot.

DISNEYLAND ALWEG-MONORAIL


Enormous Road Networks Are Now Re-Opened !!



Kazakhstan - The Heart of Eurasia - A Hub For The Golden Silk Roads
http://www.ivarkreuger.com/gold.htm

It`s very hard to find a $200/ounce low cost Gold Producer!

- Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX - Excellent Gold Bargain and the best
GOLD Investment I have found!

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces

- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces

- average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

- deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the
EGX Gold production and You will find a production cost
of about $200.00 per ounce

- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz

- revenue was $2,701,000

- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

- plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price

Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

The Eurasia Gold Corp. shares

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EGX:TSX-V @ The Canadian Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EAGCF:OTC:BB @ Nasdaq
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=eagcf&s…

I believe that the Eurasia Gold Corp. stock, will go to new highs within short.
EGX is extremely undervalued!

CA:EGX = Eurasia Gold Corp.
38099902 = Gold - Afternoon Fix (Source N M Rothschild)
http://cbs.marketwatch.com/charts/int-adv.chart?siteid=mktw&…

When EGX reached $.90 in 1996 the POG was around $400 /ounce.
Today, 8 years later EGX has increased the Gold Production and they make a good profit.

EGX - Extremely Undervalued !!
Buy as many EGX / EAGCF stocks you can !!
They can easily 10-fold in short term, and 100-fold in the long term !!

imo, Best regards, MfG

[kickaha]

könnt Ihr mir einen guten und preiswerten Onlinebroker nennen, bei dem ich auch in Canada günstig handeln kann ?

Viele Grüße Kickaha

[ludopata27]

internaxx in luxembourg, hab ich allerdings selbst noch nicht mal ausprobiert

wenn du allerdings nur mal hier im board recherchierst, wirst du sehen, dass es ok sein muss
d.h. doch, habe alle unterlagen hier, jedoch nie aktiviert geschweige denn geld dort hin überwiesen

[macvin]

So langsam sieht das alles wirklich gut aus für Thistle:

[Nevadabob]

"önnt Ihr mir einen guten und preiswerten Onlinebroker nennen, bei dem ich auch in Canada günstig handeln kann ?
Viele Grüße Kickaha"

Ich kann Ihnen mich empfehlen E*Trade Canada
//www.etrade.ca/

Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX:TSX-V
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

imo, MfG, Nevadabob

[ludopata27]

nevadabob

ja, Recht hast du, der 1. kompentente online-broker für amerikanische märkte, der mir jemals zu ohren gekommen war seiner zeit war und ist vielleicht noch ...E-Trade...

[Tsuba]

_____________


man glaubt es kaum, THT aktuell bei 0,38 Can$





Schützt die Lurche!


Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

EGX Recent CandleStick Analysis - Very Bullish

EGX.C Analysis
Stock Technical Analysis



EGX Recent CandleStick Analysis - Very Bullish
Date Candle
Mar-04-2004 Homing Pigeon
Mar-03-2004 Bullish Harami
Mar-02-2004 Homing Pigeon
Mar-01-2004 Homing Pigeon
Feb-27-2004 Homing Pigeon

It`s very hard to find a $200 /ounce low cost Gold Producer!

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

Amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces

Amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces

Average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

Deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the EGX
Gold production and You will find a production cost of about $200.00 per ounce

Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz

Revenue was $2,701,000

Net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

Plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price


The Eurasia Gold Corp. shares

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EGX:TSX-V @ The Canadian Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EAGCF: OTC:BB @ Nasdaq
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=eagcf&s…

Other than EGX, I don`t think there is one, Don`t miss the blast-off..
imo. Best regards, MfG

Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

[Imoen]

Wenn das die gleiche Aktie wie die hier ist, ist das eher strong sell.

Doppeltop( fast schon ein dreier), 100er durch, nächste Unterstützung bei 0,07.

[Tsuba]

_________

Bob schreibt: Don´t miss the Blast-Off

(Seid dabei, wenn es Euch um die Ohren fliegt)


Oder ist mein Englisch zu schwach?

Gruss

Tsuba

[Tsuba]

__________

allen THT-Aktionären zur erotischen Aufmunterung:





(bald können wir uns auch Farbe leisten)

Tsuba

[Tsuba]

___________


imerhin 0,24 Euro werden heute in FfM

für THT bezahlt






Das Umfeld ist garnicht so rosig, weiter stark Rand.

THT entwickelt leichte Eigendynamik.


Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

It`s quite hard to find a $200 /ounce low cost Gold Producer!

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EGX:TSX-V @ The Canadian Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EAGCF: OTC:BB @ Nasdaq
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=eagcf

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

Amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces

Amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces

Average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

Deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the EGX
Gold production and You will find a production cost of about $200.00 per ounce

Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz

Revenue was $2,701,000

Net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

Plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price

Other than Eurasia Gold Corp, I don`t think there is one, imo. MfG

http://www.eurasiagold.com

[Nevadabob]

Twelve European central banks Renew Gold Pact -
Gold closes off session lows as central banks
limit sales - UPDATE

SAN FRANCISCO (AFX) - Gold futures fell Monday after
rising nearly 9 usd an ounce in the previous session,
but prices closed well off session lows following a
pledge by certain European central banks to renew a
pact that limits Gold sales.

Gold for April delivery closed at 400.90 usd an ounce
on the New York Mercantile Exchange, down 70 cents
for the session, but above the intraday low
of 399.20 usd.
The contract climbed 2.2 pct on Friday.

Twelve European central banks said they will renew
their agreement to limit gold sales to 500 metric
tons per year for the next five years.

The agreement commences on September 27, when a
previous pact, known as the Washington Agreement,
expires.

The pledge "was not motivated by any concern from
Gold producers, but rather by the central banks`
self interest in preserving the value of Gold,"
Alberto Arias, an analyst at Goldman Sachs, said
in a research note Monday.

The World Gold Council said the decision "reflects
the central banks` understanding of the Gold market".

The council applauded the move by the banks to
identify Gold as an important element of global
monetary reserves. GOLD THE ONLY REAL MONEY

The UK government has said it will not participate
in the pact, though it has no plans to sell Gold
from reserves.

The market was generally expecting the agreement
to entail 550 metric tons per annum, so "only 500"
is actually bullish, said John Vail, a senior
strategist at Mizuho Securities USA.

The previous pact, however, had a smaller limit
of 400 metric tons.

While Germany`s Bundesbank is part of the deal,
it may not sell any gold from its reserves
"because the majority of (its) board is not
supportive of selling any," said Vail.
[They act with common sense - don`t want to be
lycnched by the peoples mob later!]

Though the pact will not take effect until September,
the "perception" of agreement has provided some
market support, he said.

GREAT STABILITY PACT TO GOLD -

BANKSTER CABALS TO BE LEFT ALONE

For shorter-term direction, the metals market
continues to take its directional cue from
the currency exchange.

The US dollar hit a five-month high against the
Japanese yen Monday, amid bets Japanese authorities
will continue to defend their export market by
buying greenbacks?

Weak US employment data --
a much smaller-than-expected 21,000 rise in nonfarm
payrolls for February --
weighed on the dollar Friday, and in turn
sent Gold higher.
--

A new dollar free of the obligations of the old dollar
could then be launched --

What If US Reneges on its Dollar Obligations?

This isn`t idle doomsday speculation, because
the American budget and current account deficits
cannot keep ballooning indefinitely

By ANTHONY ROWLEY
IN TOKYO


JAPANESE Finance Minister Sadakazu Tanigaki`s suggestion
that Japan might consider diversifying its massive
foreign exchange reserves provoked speculation about
possible dollar dumping on a huge scale by Asian
governments and also set the gold market alight briefly.

http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/…

Grim for the greenback: as the US economy`s ability
to absorb Asia`s surplus production is not infinite, a
two-tier exchange rate
***- `new` and `old` dollars -*** may soon be needed

But it has also set some people thinking about what
might happen if the United States were forced to
renege on its huge overseas dollar obligations at
some point in time.
This is more than idle doomsday speculation because
there are historical precedents.

It is true that there has long been speculation that
the massive overhang of dollars held overseas could
one day come back to haunt the US, and that the tail
might start wagging the proverbial dog if external
factors began to dictate domestic monetary policy.

When the dollar-denominated Eurobond market (not to be
confused with euro-denominated bonds) was launched back
in the 1960s, there were fears of a massive migration of
dollars overseas and of possible consequent dollar
dumping.

From time to time, too, economists have talked about
what would happen if Middle Eastern sheikhs switched out
of pricing oil in dollars (which Saddam Hussein had the
temerity to consider doing), if Malaysia and others
switched out of dollars and into gold dinars, or if the
euro were to supplant the dollar as the international
reserve and transaction currency of choice.

But the dollar has remained largely unchallenged -
until now, that is.

What is new is that the Bush administration is creating
the greatest budget and current account deficit of all time.
The total level of outstanding US government debt last
month passed the US$7 trillion mark for the first
time ever (beating even super-debtor Japan).

At over 5 per cent of GDP, the US external deficit is no
slouch either when it comes to achieving a blow-out.
Asian central banks that own a collective US$2 trillion
of official reserves - mainly in the form of dollars -
are plainly aware of the fact that the twin US deficits
are yawning ever wider, and that the dollar correction
needed to close the external deficit could expose them
to major losses on their dollar holdings.

But the dilemma that many of them (critically, Japan and China)
face is that for as long as they insist on buying economic
recovery through exports, they have to buy dollars too
in order to stem appreciation of their currencies.

This situation will not continue indefinitely, however,
because the ability of the US economy to absorb Asia`s
(and the world`s) surplus production - surplus because
it exceeds current domestic demand by such a large margin -
is not infinite.

The day of reckoning could come a lot faster than many
people expect as the US presidential election approaches
in November, and as Democratic candidates John Kerry and
John Edwards vie with one another to establish their
protectionist credentials.

Once exporting to the US ceases to be the easiest game
in town for both Japan and China, they may well decide
to unwind some of their huge holdings of US Treasury
securities - which, at around US$1 trillion in aggregate,
account for a large part of the total amount of US government
debt held overseas.

If either (or both) of these countries begins edging towards
the exit on US dollar holdings, other central banks might
try to beat them to the door.
A general dumping of US dollars could then ensue.
It is not only foreign central bank holdings of dollars
that are vulnerable.
Around 50 per cent of the total US dollar notes in
circulation (around US$1 trillion) is reliably estimated
to be held offshore (in suitcases in Colombia, as one
Tokyo economist put it to this writer) and the potential
for at least some of these to be cashed in too is very real.

But whether a true cashing in would be possible in such
circumstances is open to debate.

About the only commodity that the US Treasury or Federal
Reserve could use in order to honour its nominal obligation
to dollar holders is gold, since the great bulk of US
official reserve assets is held in gold form rather than
in non-dollar currencies.

Having closed its gold window back at the start of the 1970s,
however, leading to a massive official devaluation of gold,
the US is unlikely to wish to dish out gold freely
at this point.

A more likely scenario, as one veteran monetary affairs
expert in London put it, is of the US possibly freezing
its overseas liabilities, or holding them in a special
account. In such circumstances, he noted the US would
present this as being in the interests of the world economy
and of preserving the US dollar as an international currency.

You would move to a two-tier exchange rate -
- old dollars and new dollars -
and then you would have endless meetings of finance ministers,
central bankers and the International Monetary Fund (IMF)
about setting up a special account.
But nobody would want SDRs (special drawing rights) any
longer in exchange for unwanted dollars.

The only way out, this source speculated, would be either
for the US to force Asia and Europe by political muscle to
lend the US further massive amounts officially or to limit
the amounts and time over which holders of old dollar balances,
especially central banks in Asia, could actually spend their
dollar balances. Probably these would continue to attract
interest but could not be actually spent.

A new dollar free of the obligations of the old dollar
could then be launched.

If Asian central banks and others are aware of such dangers,
they are showing little sign of it as yet.

The writer is BT`s Tokyo correspondent

http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/story/0,4567,109769,00.ht…

http://www.tfc-charts2.w2d.com/charts/cdl/CPW.GIF

http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/9/0/53833609.html

Copper is very strong - all base metals follow
The Mother GOLD or is a scout frontrunner -

http://charts3.barchart.com/chart.asp?vol=Y&jav=adv&grid=Y&o…

DXY0 - U.S. DOLLAR INDEX Cash (FINEX) making a short term
correction on the down slide,,,,

http://charts3.barchart.com/chart.asp?sym=DXY0&data=A&jav=ad…

http://charts3.barchart.com/chart.asp?vol=Y&jav=adv&grid=Y&o…

GCJ4 - GOLD April 2004 (COMEX) the bull correction makes
another buy opportunity, before the 1980 repeat rally,,,

http://charts3.barchart.com/custom/stocks/2068.gif

Platinum is $894.00/oz scout frontrunner for Gold $402.10

EGX CandleStick Analysis - Very Bullish
EGX.C Analysis
Stock Technical Analysis



EGX CandleStick Analysis - Very Bullish
Date Candle
Mar-04-2004 Homing Pigeon
Mar-03-2004 Bullish Harami
Mar-02-2004 Homing Pigeon
Mar-01-2004 Homing Pigeon
Feb-27-2004 Homing Pigeon

It`s hard to find a $200 /ounce low cost Gold Producer!

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

Amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces

Amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces

Average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

Deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the EGX
Gold production and You will find a production cost of about $200.00 per ounce

Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz

Revenue was $2,701,000

Net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

Plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price


Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

The Eurasia Gold Corp. shares

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EGX:TSX-V @ The Canadian Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EAGCF: OTC:BB @ Nasdaq
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=eagcf

Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Other than EGX, I don`t think there is one,
Get on the EGX / EAGCF Gold-train, imo

Best regards, MfG

[Thoemsi]

Trotz des starken Rand geht es seit eineiger Zeit bei Thistle munter nach oben...

[Tsuba]

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dieser THT_Aktionärin wurde bei 0,40 Can$

schon warm um´s Herz






wir warten noch etwas.

Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

There`s no substitute for Gold-stocks, but more Gold-stocks!

It`s quite difficult to find a $200 /ounce low cost Gold Producer,
trading under dollars..

Eurasia Gold Corp. is a tier 1 company and trades under the
symbol "EGX" on the Canadian Venture Exchange and under the
symbol "EAGCF" on Nasdaq.

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EGX:TSX-V @ The Canadian Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EAGCF: OTC:BB @ Nasdaq
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=eagcf

http://www.eurasiagold.com

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces.

- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces.

- average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz (incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

- deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand
the EGX Gold production and You will find a production cost of
about $200.00 per ounce.

- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz.

- revenue was $2,701,000.

- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

- plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price.

Other than Eurasia Gold Corp, I don`t think there is one,
and EGX / EAGCF is extremely undervalued and it`s a bargain
opportunity to get in now,

Remember, there`s no substitute for Gold-stocks, but more Gold-stocks, imo.

Best regards, MfG

[Nevadabob]

Warren Buffett Blasts Mutual Funds, CEO Pay
.. managers who performed poorly or looted shareholders
to line their own pockets ..

REUTERS
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=reutersEdge&st…

The banksters mutual fund bre-x way is to only invest where there are
big loans, and then pump it up so that the loans can (more or less)
be paid back, then -

- It goes the bre-x way because the bankster mutual funds make money
on the up-way, and then they also make money on the down-way.

The bankster mutual funds do everything in their power to skin the
little investors and dirt the securities markets.

Buffet: He has 36 billion in cash. Now where do you suppose that will
go? Not U.S. stocks. Not bonds. He`s already up the yingyang in
foreign currencies. You`re correct, Gold!

He also has 1 billion in physical silver, plus investments in silver
mines.

The last thing Buffet would do, is to put his money into the
banksters mutual funds!

If the small investors "the little guys" would follow the Buffet-way,
they wouldn`t have to lose their hard-earned money the bankster
mutual fund bre-x-way!

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=reutersEdge&st…

I wish that every little independent investor use common sense like Buffet!

IMO, Thanks,


“CELLAR BOXING”
There’s a form of the securities fraud known as naked short selling that is becoming very popular and lucrative to the market makers that practice it. It is known as “Cellar boxing” and it has to do with the fact that the NASD and the SEC had to arbitrarily set a minimum level at which a stock can trade. This level was set at $.0001 or one-one hundredth of a penny. This level is appropriately referred to as “the cellar”. This $.0001 level can be used as a "backstop" for all kinds of market maker and naked short selling manipulations.

“Cellar boxing” has been one of the security frauds du jour since 1999 when the market went to a “decimalization” basis. In the pre-decimalization days the minimum market spread for most stocks was set at 1/8th of a dollar and the market makers were guaranteed a healthy “spread”. Since decimalization came into effect, those one-eighth of a dollar spreads now are often only a penny as you can see in Microsoft’s quote throughout the day. Where did the unscrupulous MMs go to make up for all of this lost income? They headed "south" to the OTCBB and Pink Sheets where the protective effects from naked short selling like Rule 10-a, and NASD Rules 3350, 3360, and 3370 are nonexistent.

The unique aspect of needing an arbitrary “cellar” level is that the lowest possible incremental gain above this cellar level represents a 100% spread available to MMs making a market in these securities. When compared to the typical spread in Microsoft of perhaps four-tenths of 1%, this is pretty tempting territory. In fact, when the market is no bid to $.0001 offer there is theoretically an infinite spread.

In order to participate in “cellar boxing”, the MMs first need to pummel the price per share down to these levels. The lower they can force the share price, the larger are the percentage spreads to feed off of. This is easily done via garden variety naked short selling. In fact if the MM is large enough and has enough visibility of buy and sell orders as well as order flow, he can simultaneously be acting as the conduit for the sale of nonexistent shares through Canadian co-conspiring broker/dealers and their associates with his right hand at the same time that his left hand is naked short selling into every buy order that appears through its own proprietary accounts. The key here is to be a dominant enough of a MM to have visibility of these buy orders. This is referred to as "broker/dealer internalization" or naked short selling via "desking" which refers to the market makers trading desk. While the right hand is busy flooding the victim company`s market with "counterfeit" shares that can be sold at any instant in time the left hand is nullifying any upward pressure in share price by neutralizing the demand for the securities. The net effect becomes no demonstrable demand for shares and a huge oversupply of shares which induces a downward spiral in share price.

In fact, until the "beefed up" version of Rule 3370 (Affirmative determination in writing of "borrowability" by settlement date) becomes effective, U.S. MMs have been "legally" processing naked short sale orders out of Canada and other offshore locations even though they and the clearing firms involved knew by history that these shares were in no way going to be delivered. The question that then begs to be asked is how "the system" can allow these obviously bogus sell orders to clear and settle. To find the answer to this one need look no further than to Addendum "C" to the Rules and Regulations of the NSCC subdivision of the DTCC. This gaping loophole allows the DTCC, which is basically the 11,000 b/ds and banks that we refer to as "Wall Street”, to borrow shares from those investors naive enough to hold these shares in "street name" at their brokerage firm. This amounts to about 95% of us. Theoretically, this “borrow” was designed to allow trades to clear and settle that involved LEGITIMATE 1 OR 2 DAY delays in delivery. This "borrow" is done unbeknownst to the investor that purchased the shares in question and amounts to probably the largest "conflict of interest" known to mankind. The question becomes would these investors knowingly loan, without compensation, their shares to those whose intent is to bankrupt their investment if they knew that the loan process was the key mechanism needed for the naked short sellers to effect their goal? Another question that arises is should the investor`s b/d who just earned a commission and therefore owes its client a fiduciary duty of care, be acting as the intermediary in this loan process keeping in mind that this b/d is being paid the cash value of the shares being loaned as a means of collateralizing the loan, all unbeknownst to his client the purchaser.

An interesting phenomenon occurs at these "cellar" levels. Since NASD Rule 3370 allows MMs to legally naked short sell into markets characterized by a plethora of buy orders at a time when few sell orders are in existence, a MM can theoretically "legally" sit at the $.0001 level and sell nonexistent shares all day long because at no bid and $.0001 ask there is obviously a huge disparity between buy orders and sell orders. What tends to happen is that every time the share price tries to get off of the cellar floor and onto the first step of the stairway at $.0001 there is somebody there to step on the hands of the victim corporation`s market.


Once a given micro cap corporation is “boxed in the cellar” it doesn’t have a whole lot of options to climb its way out of the cellar. One obvious option would be for it to reverse split its way out of the cellar but history has shown that these are counter-productive as the market capitalization typically gets hammered and the post split share price level starts heading back to its original pre-split level.

Another option would be to organize a sustained buying effort and muscle your way out of the cellar but typically there will, as if by magic, be a naked short sell order there to meet each and every buy order. Sometimes the shareholder base can muster up enough buying pressure to put the market at $.0001 bid and $.0002 offer for a limited amount of time. Later the market makers will typically pound the $.0001 bids with a blitzkrieg of selling to wipe out all of the bids and the market goes back to no bid and $.0001 offer. When the weak-kneed shareholders see this a few times they usually make up their mind to sell their shares the next time that a $.0001 bid appears and to get the heck out of Dodge. This phenomenon is referred to as “shaking the tree” for weak-kneed investors and it is very effective.

At times the market will go to $.0001 bid and $.0003 offer. This sets up a juicy 200% spread for the MMs and tends to dissuade any buyers from reaching up to the "lofty" level of $.0003. If a $.0002 bid should appear from a MM not "playing ball" with the unscrupulous MMs, it will be hit so quickly that Level 2 will never reveal the existence of the bid. The $.0001 bid at $.0003 offer market sets up a "stalemate" wherein market makers can leisurely enjoy the huge spreads while the victim company slowly dilutes itself to death by paying the monthly bills with "real" shares sold at incredibly low levels. Since all of these development-stage corporations have to pay their monthly bills, time becomes on the side of the naked short sellers.

At times it almost seems that the unscrupulous market makers are not actively trying to kill the victim corporation but instead want to milk the situation for as long of a period of time as possible and let the corporation die a slow death by dilution. The reality is that it is extremely easy to strip away 99% of a victim company’s share price or market cap and to keep the victim corporation “boxed“ in the cellar, but it really is difficult to kill a corporation especially after management and the shareholder base have figured out the game that is being played at their expense.

As the weeks and months go by the market makers make a fortune with these huge percentage spreads but the net aggregate naked short positions become astronomical from all of this activity. This leads to some apprehension amongst the co-conspiring MMs. The predicament they find themselves in is that they can’t even stop naked short selling into every buy order that appears because if they do the share price will gap and this will put tremendous pressures on net capital reserves for the MMs and margin maintenance requirements for the co-conspiring hedge funds and others operating out of the more than 13,000 naked short selling margin accounts set up in Canada. And of course covering the naked short position is out of the question since they can’t even stop the day-to-day naked short selling in the first place and you can`t be covering at the same time you continue to naked short sell.

What typically happens in these situations is that the victim company has to massively dilute its share structure from the constant paying of the monthly burn rate with money received from the selling of “real” shares at artificially low levels. Then the goal of the naked short sellers is to point out to the investors, usually via paid “Internet bashers”, that with the, let’s say, 50 billion shares currently issued and outstanding, that this lousy company is not worth the $5 million market cap it is trading at, especially if it is just a shell company whose primary business plan was wiped out by the naked short sellers’ tortuous interference earlier on.

The truth of the matter is that the single biggest asset of these victim companies often becomes the astronomically large aggregate naked short position that has accumulated throughout the initial “bear raid” and also during the “cellar boxing” phase. The goal of the victim company now becomes to avoid the 3 main goals of the naked short sellers, namely: bankruptcy, a reverse split, or the forced signing of a death spiral convertible debenture out of desperation. As long as the victim company can continue to pay the monthly burn rate, then the game plan becomes to make some of the strategic moves that hundreds of victim companies have been forced into doing which includes name changes, CUSIP # changes, cancel/reissue procedures, dividend distributions, amending of by-laws and Articles of Corporation, etc. Nevada domiciled companies usually cancel all of their shares in the system, both real and fake, and force shareholders and their b/ds to PROVE the ownership of the old “real” shares before they get a new “real” share. Many also file their civil suits at this time also. This indirect forcing of hundreds of U.S. micro cap corporations to go through all of these extraneous hoops and hurdles as a means to survive, whether it be due to regulatory apathy or lack of resources, is probably one of the biggest black eyes the U.S. financial systems have ever sustained. In a perfect world it would be the regulators that periodically audit the “C” and “D” sub-accounts at the DTCC, the proprietary accounts of the MMs, clearing firms, and Canadian b/ds, and force the buy-in of counterfeit shares, many of which are hiding behind altered CUSIP #s, that are detected above the Rule 11830 guidelines for allowable “failed deliveries” of one half of 1% of the shares issued. U.S. micro cap corporations should not have to periodically “purge” their share structure of counterfeit electronic book entries but if the regulators will not do it then management has a fiduciary duty to do it.

A lot of management teams become overwhelmed with grief and guilt in regards to the huge increase in the number of shares issued and outstanding that have accumulated during their “watch”. The truth however is that as long as management made the proper corporate governance moves throughout this ordeal then a huge number of resultant shares issued and outstanding is unavoidable and often indicative of an astronomically high naked short position and is nothing to be ashamed of. These massive naked short positions need to be looked upon as huge assets that need to be developed. Hopefully the regulators will come to grips with the reality of naked short selling and tactics like "Cellar boxing" and quickly address this fraud that has decimated thousands of U.S. micro cap corporations and the tens of millions of U.S. investors therein.

[Nevadabob]

The Eurasia Gold Corp. opportunity


Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

Amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces

Amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces

Average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

Deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the EGX
Gold production and You will find a production cost of about $200.00 per ounce

Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz

Revenue was $2,701,000

Net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

Plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price

The Eurasia Gold Corp. Stock

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EGX:TSX-V @ The Canadian Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EAGCF: OTC:BB @ Nasdaq
http://quotes.nasdaq.com/asp/SummaryQuote.asp?symbol=eagcf

Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Summary:

* Profitable Low Cost Gold Production

* Extremely Undervalued and oversold

* 2 Operating Gold Producing Gold Mines

* +50 more Gold Deposits to be Mined

* +1153 ounce of unsold Gold, to be sold later at higher price

* Long, Strong Buy!

imo, Best regards, MfG

[Tsuba]

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auch wenn´s schwer fällt





Life is life!! Heaven!!


bon Soireé, Guten Abend, deux points pour ....

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Heute bekommen wir wieder etwas Unterstützung vom "ZAR"en...

[Tsuba]

____________


Und der neue Vorstand hat sein Amt angetreten:





Um Thistle braucht man sich keine Sorgen machen!

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

[Imoen]

@tsuba

Das war spitze.

[hpoth]

#257
Na dann " Gute Nacht",es wird ja dann wohl Jahrhunderte dauern biws THT in die Gewinnzone kommt,sell THT
guruß hpoth

[Tsuba]

____________


Keine Angst Hpoth,
die Jungs sind kreativ.


Die haben schon neue Bekleidungsvorschriften erlassen,

die den Goldabsatz fördern:





Gruss

Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

Eurasia Gold Corp Very Bullish

Eurasia Gold Corp. 6 Month Chart


Eurasia Gold Corp. All Data Chart


Eurasia Gold Corp has barely started to move, yet.

History often repeat itself, and EGX is extremely undervalued today.
Fair market value... EGX should be trading at dollars by now.
The chances are great, that EGX will go up very fast.

10 cents to dollars, that`s a good investment

Eurasia Gold Corp Website
http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp @ TSE
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

DD. Eurasia Gold Corp.
imo, Best regards, MfG

[Imoen]

Very bullish?

100er durch, mindestens ein Doppeltop und wenn er sich bestätigt ist der nächste Kurs bei c.0,06.

Die Gurke muss schleinigst wieder über 0,10 sonst ist Schicht im Schacht.

[Tsuba]

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Muß I denn, muß I denn, zum Städtele hinaus


(Vorsicht das nachfolgende Bild kann schwache Gemüter beunruhigen. Schalten sie ab, sollten Sie einen Herzschrittmacher oder ein Parteibuch tragen!!!!)





gegen die Verhaus-Schweinung des Menschen


Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

NY Mar 15 Gold, Silver, Platinum, Palladium Firm

New York, March 15 - Gold futures on the Comex
division of the New York
Mercantile Exchange headed sideways
in a narrow range Monday to match the low-key
consolidatory pattern of U.S. dollar trade
through the day.
The most-active Gold Apr contract settled $4
higher at $399.60 per ounce.

Apr Gold started firmly after a spate
of weakness in the U.S. dollar
overnight combined with claims over
the weekend that al-Qaida was linked
to last week`s Madrid bombings rekindled
speculator buying interest in the
precious metal.

But, the U.S. dollar managed to reverse its
course through the Comex session in the wake
of news that U.S. industrial production rose
in February to choke off some of the early demand
for gold and leave prices lacking sustained lift.

However, selling interest remained light through the
day as players were reminded of the increased
geopolitical uncertainty following the terror
attacks in Madrid and elsewhere recently.

As a result, Apr gold managed to settle the day with
a gain despite having
mainly lateral movement through the session.

Dealers said prices were likely to continue
meandering in a $395-$407 range over the coming
days until the U.S. dollar breaks decisively out
of its current largely sideways track.

The same consolidatory outlook applies to spot metal,
which quietly held up in a $397-$401 range during the
New York trading hours.

A $395-$405 range is seen holding forth near term,
with a $393-$407 range seen confining activity in
the longer run.

May silver also held to a narrow path and
neglected to appear outside a
$7.095-$7.165 range through the session.

Speculators are expected to prove reluctant
to push prices beyond nearby
resistance at $7.20 to the upside and $7.00 to
the downside over the coming
days as they await a clearer U.S. dollar trading
pattern to develop on the
currency markets.

Nymex Apr platinum nosed to three-day highs
of $914.80 on light speculative bids amid a
scarce-seller environment.

Dealers said that while prices are likely to
remain higher facing, fund
players are expected to become increasingly
hesitant about chasing prices higher while
the U.S. dollar lacks clear-cut direction.

Upside targets include $917, $920 and $925 initially.

Jun palladium stretched to fresh contract highs
early of $285 before wilting to below the $280 mark by
settlement as early fund interest waned.

A $270-$287 range is seen prevailing near term.

Settlements:

London PM Gold Fix: $398.10, Vs $398.00 Friday U.S.
spot gold 1340 ET: $399.45, up $2.83 from Open;
Range: $395.25-400.95
Apr gold (RGCJ04) $399.60, up $4.00;

Range: $397.30-401.00
May silver (RSIK04) $7.140, up $0.077;
Range: $7.095-7.165

Apr platinum (RPLJ04) $914.00; up $6.90;
Range: $909.00-914.80

Jun palladium (RPAM04) $279.75, up $1.20;
Range: $278.00-285.00

Eurasia Gold Corp. ~ EGX GOLD MINES
(EGX:TSE.V, EAGCF:Nasdaq-OTCbb)

The EGX Precious Metal Gold Mines -
havr just started to move back UP
its a long way to hike and EGX will GO
higher than any time before, EGX has two
Gold Mines in Gold poduction of more than
30,000 Au ounces per year for about $200/oz
and plenty of more hard assets Gold Mines
& Au deposits than EGX ever had in the past,
see You at the sweet EGX TOP...


thank you, its the reflexion of the EGX facts bellow,
EGX is a very good Gold Mine Producer
at about $225/oz and making a very good
profit...

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSE.V, EAGCF:Nasdaq)

About The EGX Company
Gold Mining Projects:
and its financial highlight reports

Eurasia Gold Corp, ( v.EGX, EAGCF:Nasdaq )
is a Gold producing company
incorporated in Canada and headquartered
in Toronto, Ontario.

The EGX company operates two Gold Mines in Gold
production, in the Republic of Kazakhstan through
its wholly owned
subsidiary, Andas-Altyn LLP.

The EGX company’s primary business is mining and
processing Gold as well as acquiring and developing
additional Gold deposits in Kazakhstan.

The EGX Gold Mines use conventional open-pit mining
methods and Gold is extracted by heap leaching.

EGX GOLD Mining Projects

The two EGX Gold Mines projects in Gold production
have an estimated resource of 850,000 ounces
of GOLD.

The Gold Ore ($420 x Au 850,000 ounces = $357,000,000.00)

The Central Mukur and Myaly mining licences
host 59 known Gold deposits
zones of oxide mineralization.
Six of these zones were mined during the years.

The remaining Gold zones are at various stages
of exploration or mine development to ensure
continuity of Gold mining operations.

It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its
annual Gold production incrementally
to Au 60,000 ounces.

Increase in Gold production will come through
increasing the production capability of the
two EGX existing Gold producing projects,
and through development of the other EGX oxide
deposits in Kazakhstan.

~ EGX with 67 zones of oxide mineralisation
remain to be further developed/explored,
according to Minesite.

EGX 3rd Q-report to Sept. 30, 2003,

Throughout this report, all amounts from
www.sedar.com and are all in
United States currency unless specified:

•A record production of 8,596 ounces of Gold
was precipitated during the 3rd quarter of 2003,
compared to 7,328 ounces in the 2nd quarter.

• Gold sold during the first nine months was 17,778 ounces
of which 7,443 ounces
were sold during the 3rd quarter

Net Income/ profit for the 3rd quarter
period US$ 169,000.00 + an amount of
Gold 1,153 ounces produced in the 3rd Q.
but kept back to be sold a higher price -
POG.

EGX 3rd quarter Gold production a new EGX
Quarter Record of 8,596 ounces produced
of which only 7,443 ounces were sold during
the 3rd quarter
= 1,153 ounces kept x $400/oz
= US$461,200.00 plus US$169,000.00
= Total US$ 630,000.00 -
REAL PROFIT (if all 3rdQ. produced Gold been sold).

In reality EGX Net Income / profit for the 3rd quarter
period total US$ 630,000.00
(if EGX sold all of the Gold production
they produced under the 3rd quarter)

Other:

Recoverable Gold on the pad as
at September 30, 2003 9,582 ounces

Btw. GOLD to fly high...

GOLD 2004 Bull Reflextion of 1980 Bulltrend

GOLD 2002 - 2003 is a mirror reflection of
GOLD 1978 - 1979,

GOLD 2004 to be a mirror reflextion of
GOLD 1980 - Bulltrend,

GOLD TA on strong Bulltrend TI Longterm comeback...



We may see Gold make a repeat of 1st week of Oct.
mmm`s try shakeout of weak apples.
Fast down - fast UP - mirror reflextion!

This time Gold will blow through $430 and
stay above that level.


Fibonacci Price Levels:
Frequently, reaction trends will be 62% of
the prior trend, and new trends will be
162% of the previous correction, in the
normal market (without mmm-bankster
manipulations).

GOLD


We may see Gold make a repeat of 1st week of Oct.
mmm-banksters`s try shakeout of weak apples.
Fast down - fast UP - mirror reflextion!
This time, next bull leg Gold
will blow through $430 and
stay above that level,
for a long time

• For the nine months ended September 30, 2003,
EGX revenue from Gold sales was $6,214,000.

• Gold prices received during the 9 months
averaged $350 per ounce.

• Total cash operating cost for the 9 months
averaged $246 per ounce. (due to and incl. the cost
for expansion of additional heap leach pad construction.)

• General and administrative expenses were $287,970,
equivalent to $16 per ounce.
Operating costs

• The total cash cost of production for the first nine
months averaged $246 (due to and incl. cost for
additional leach pad construction.)
compared with $230 for
the corresponding period of 2002.
Still classified as a very low cost Gold producer
when the Gold Price - POG is above $400/oz.


• It is the Company’s policy to operate as an unhedged
gold producer in order to allow shareholders to
benefit from any rise in the gold price.
On behalf of the Board of Directors

Graham Bevan
President
November
---

At 10,000 oz x $175/oz profit = US$1,750,000.00
in profit, if POG staying above $400/oz.

Best Regards

Shares ownership structure

shares oustanding: 118,332,250
shares held in escrow: 3,900,000
shares held by Thistle Mining and CIDEM: 68,269,253?
shares held by directors and officers: 4,283,437
shares held by retail/instituition, investors,
( float ): 41,879,560

EGX Eurasia Gold Mines in Kazakhstan,
A record production of GOLD Au 8,596 ounces of
GOLD was precipitated during
the 3rd quarter of 2003,
compared to 7,328 ounces
in the 2nd quarter

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces
- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces
- average production cost for the 9 months
- was $246.00/oz incl. cost for expansion of
- heap leach pads etc.
- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz
- revenue was $2,701,000
- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

Outlook for 2004

We can expect large increase in revenue and profit
in the upcoming quarters as Eurasia will greatly
benefit from much higher Gold prices -
the average POG in the 4th quarter of 2003
has bee much higher than the 3rd Q.

Management has also proposed that an additional
exploration of ore zones at Central Mukur will
be initiated to further increase the mineable
reserves during 2004.

The EGX Board is continuing with its chosen
strategy of running the company on an
un-hedged basis.

The combination of higher Gold prices,
increase revenues, and the 2004 exploration program
can help lift EGX to new height.

Eurasia is a small and low cost Gold producer
that will offer investors the best leverage
in a rising Gold bull market, imo.

The current value today of the two EGX Gold Mines
development and infrastructure would be
about $40 millions.

Add the value of 59 more Gold deposits with
feasibility studies, and nearly
30 years of exploration activities made by
the Soviet will indicate Eurasia`s market
cap of CDN $14,2 millions as of
Jan. 29, 2004 to be extremely undervalued.

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

"Positive earnings immediately put EGX a Gold Mining
company above 95% of all the others Gold producers
who has production and losing money -
or only have eploration projects requiring
$10`s of million to get into
the Gold production.

EGX earnings have showed a good increase
from one quarter to the next, you may be able
to profit greatly from the underlying shares,
especially early in the Gold bull trend and
EGX increasing earnings continues...with higher
POG and higher production in every quarter,
a basic company rule to survive by making more
money than it spends.

http://www.eurasiagold.com/goldprod.html
http://www.ivarkreuger.com/gold.htm

imo, Best regards, MfG

[Nevadabob]

EGX | Short Bullish | Long Bullish
CandleStick Analysis Very Bullish



Date Candle
Mar-15-2004 Bullish Harami
Mar-12-2004 Homing Pigeon
Mar-11-2004 Homing Pigeon
Mar-10-2004 Inverted Hammer
Mar-09-2004 Homing Pigeon

EGX - Eurasia Gold Corp @ the Toronto Venture Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EGX is oversold
EGX is extremely undervalued
EGX is undiscovered, so far
EGX is a good opportunity for any investor

Eurasia Gold Corp, All data


EGX has barely started to move, yet..

In 1996 when POG was $400 /ounce, EGX hit $.90

Today POG is around $400 /ounce (soon $500+ /ounce), Eurasia Gold Corp
PRODUCES GOLD WITH A PROFIT, and the EGX shares should of course be
higher than $.90 - closer to $2.

Anything under $.90 is very, very cheap for this baby.

Eurasia Gold Corp, 6 Months


It`s quite difficult to find a $200 /ounce low cost Gold Producer,
trading under dollars

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces.

- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces.

- average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

- deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the EGX
Gold production and You will find a production cost of about $200.00
per ounce.

- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz.

- revenue was $2,701,000.

- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

- plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price.

Other than Eurasia Gold Corp, I don`t think there is one, and EGX / EAGCF
is extremely undervalued and it`s a very good deal to get in now,

remember
There`s no substitute for Gold-stocks, but more Gold-stocks,
http://www.eurasiagold.com
http://www.ivarkreuger.com/gold.htm

imo, Best regards. MfG

[Nevadabob]

GOLD 412.30 EGX STRONG BUY

EGX - Eurasia Gold Corp @ the Toronto Venture Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

EGX is oversold
EGX is extremely undervalued
EGX is undiscovered, so far
EGX is a good opportunity for any investor

Eurasia Gold Corp, All data


EGX has barely started to move, yet..

In 1996 when POG was $400 /ounce, EGX hit $.90

Today POG is around $400 /ounce (soon $500+ /ounce), Eurasia Gold Corp
PRODUCES GOLD WITH A PROFIT, and the EGX shares should of course be
higher than $.90 - closer to $2.

Anything under $.90 is very, very cheap for this baby.

Eurasia Gold Corp, 6 Months


It`s quite difficult to find a $200 /ounce low cost Gold Producer,
trading under dollars

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces.

- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces.

- average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

- deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the EGX
Gold production and You will find a production cost of about $200.00
per ounce.

- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz.

- revenue was $2,701,000.

- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

- plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price.

Other than Eurasia Gold Corp, I don`t think there is one, and EGX / EAGCF
is extremely undervalued and it`s a very good deal to get in now,

remember
There`s no substitute for Gold-stocks, but more Gold-stocks,
http://www.eurasiagold.com

imo, Best regards, MfG

[macvin]

Heute sind wieder einige Thistle zu 0,198 reingeschneit.. gerade rechtzeitig.

@Nevadabob

mach doch mal eine eigenen Eurasia Gold-Thread auf. Du müllst hier sonst alles zu...

[Tsuba]

______


ja, THT ist nur kursmäßig unter die

Räder gekommen. Strategisch ein

feiner Stoff.

Cinderella in der Mülltonne.


Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Wer jetzt fleißig THT sammelt erntet später die dicken Früchte. Mein Körbchen ist auch voll

[Saccard]

Aber solange die Verluste machen? Und dank der Hedges wohl unabhängig vom Goldpreis.

Wenn man erst kürzlich Avocet zu 55 und Oxus zu 52 hätte kaufen können wie ich?

Oxus ist kaum teurer als Thistle und hat über 3 mio oz Reserven mit wesentlichem Potential. Produktionskosten knapp über 100 US$..

Schaut euch mal die Celtic Resources Präsentation von der Nesbitt Burns 2004 Konferenz an, da geht einem ein Licht auf.

Gruß
S.

[Nevadabob]

Eurasia Gold Corp.
2215 - 120 Adelaide St W
Toronto ON Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]
Website: http://www.eurasiagold.com

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V)
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

http://www.ivarkreuger.com/gold.htm

http://www.ivarkreuger.com/liberty.htm

imo, remember, there`s no substitute for Gold-stocks, but more Gold-stocks

[Tsuba]

_____________

Vorgestern abend

in Toronto nochmal etliche zu 0,30 Can$

angelacht.


Weil...




...da hat der Mond die Erde sanft geküsst.


Tsuba

[Nevadabob]

Posted by W @ St.H. Apr. 3, 2004

EGX only has a $1.90 climb to its hidden upper trend line @ $2.00.

Increasing POG will help boost EGX to over $10. IMO /W

CA:EGX Eurasia Gold Corp (TSXV)



PS. The Andas-Altyn Mining Company | Eurasia Gold Corp. PAST NEWS RELEASE:
13,011,640 tonnes at an average grade of 1.93 grams Gold per tonnes
= 13,011,640t x 1.93g = 25,112,465 grams GOLD - AU 0.9999

25,112,465 grams GOLD - AU 0.9999 = 837,082 ounces of GOLD

837,082 AU ounces of GOLD x $427/oz = $357,434,080.00 (fiat dollars)

imo, Best regards, MfG

PS. http://www.ivarkreuger.com/gold.htm

[Tsuba]

_________

THT, le malade imaginaire




hier: invisible


Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

So sieht es aus wenn man den Rand auf den Kopf stellt. Ganz klar ein Trippletop Seine Tage sind gezählt

[Thoemsi]

Bei Thistle gehts ja heute heiss her. Gleich zu Beginn wurde ein Block von 2,1 Mio Stücken gehandelt

[Tsuba]

_______


THT hat eine MKP von round about 60 Mio€.

Man faßt es kaum.

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Ich bin ganz zuversichtlich, daß wir den Boden gefunden haben....

[konradi]

.

Diesen Langschläfer Thistle habe ich nun seit einem Jahr auf der watchlist und ich weiß immer noch nicht …
Der relevante Boardadel ist investiert, aber genützt hat es trotzdem nix …
Vielleicht ist die Idee von tsuba ja gar nicht so schlecht: Thistle mit 5% im Depot und Stop/Loss 0,00.

Und das obwohl der inferred Marx den proven Hegel noch immer nicht auf die Beine gestellt hat …
Dabei ist alles nur eine Frage der Perspektive:

[Tsuba]

Weisheit und Anmut allen THT-Investierten

Tsuba

[Tsuba]

_____

von der Schönheit



es hat sie gegeben


Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

Hier hat der starke Dollar sein Gutes

[Tsuba]

______

Innerhalb der GM gibt es etwas

wie Risikoausgleich. Das Licht ist

mir in den letzten Jahren "by doing"

aufgegangen.

Transmitter sind Exoten wie:

-Aneka Tabang 910452

-Sons of Gwalia 868173

-Stillwater 893759

um nur einige zu nennen.

Tsuba

[Tsuba]

_________

THT ist gestern und heute unverändert bie 0,30 Can$

stehengeblieben; während so gut wie alle anderen

einen Schritt zurückgemacht haben.

Dafür gibt´s objektive Gründe ( Gehedgte leiden

wenig bei fallendem PoG und Rand etwas schwächer).


Hauptgrund aber: Nur noch Eisenfresser sind THT-Aktionäre


Gruss

Tsuba

[Thoemsi]

"Hauptgrund aber: Nur noch Eisenfresser sind THT-Aktionäre"

That´s it. Ich gebe jedenfalls so schnell keine her

[hpoth]

#286
Ich auch nicht, bin ja immerhin noch im Gewinn, warum sollte ich auch abgeben,
mfg hpoth

[goldmaki]

Lasst Zahlen sprechen


http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/C%20News%20PDF%20011%20…

goldmaki

[goldmaki]

TEIL 2:



http://http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/C%20News%20PDF%2…

[Nevadabob]

Eurasia Gold Corp. is a tier 1 company, trading under the symbol "EGX" on the Canadian Venture Exchange

EURASIA GOLD CORP. = EGX:TSX-V @ The Canadian Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

- amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces.

- amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces.

- average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz (incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

- deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand
the EGX Gold production and You will find a production cost of
about $200.00 per ounce.

- Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz.

- revenue was $2,701,000.

- net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

- plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price.

EGX is extremely undervalued and it`s a bargain opportunity to get in now,

and remember, there`s no substitute for Gold-stocks, but more Gold-stocks,

imo, Best regards, MfG

http://www.eurasiagold.com

[Nevadabob]

The EGX Gold Challenge is to find a:
profitable, overlooked, extremely undervalued, $200 /ounce low cost
Gold Producer, currently trading @ cents.

EURASIA GOLD CORP. (EGX:TSX-V) (Toronto)
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…


EURASIA GOLD CORP.

▪ Two operating Gold Producing Gold Mines

▪ Low cost ($200.00 /ounce) Gold Production from two operating
Gold Producing Gold Mines.

▪ 50 to 60 additional Gold Deposits to be mined.
(Feasability studies made by the former soviet union.
Today Kazakhstan is free and independent)

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )


▪ amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces

▪ amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces

▪ average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

▪ deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the
EGX Gold production and You will find a production cost of about
$200.00 per ounce

▪ Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz

▪ revenue was $2,701,000

▪ net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

▪ plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price

▪ Record production of 8,596 ounces of gold during the third quarter

▪ 7,443 ounces were sold during the 3rd quarter

▪ It is the Company’s policy to operate as an unhedged gold
producer in order to allow shareholders to benefit from any rise in
the gold price.

▪ It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its annual gold production
incrementally to 60,000 ounces.

▪ it is proposed that an additional exploration of ore zones at
Central Mukur will be initiated to further increase the mineable
reserves during 2004.

▪ The Kazakh government has placed a priority on the development of
the gold industry.

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V) Toronto, (EAGCF: OTC:BB) Nasdaq.
http://www.eurasiagold.com

In 1996 when Price Of Gold was around $400 /ounce, EGX hit $.90, and
that without any significant Gold production.

Today the Price Of Gold is over $400 /ounce and Eurasia Gold Corp. produces Gold with a profit.

EGX is currently trading around increadibly low 10 cents per share,
while the upper hidden trend-line is aiming at fair market value $2 /share.

Eurasia Gold Corp. all-data-chart



imo, is there a better deal than EGX, go ahead, make my day!

Best regards, MfG,

[Thoemsi]

Tja, der Boden ist wohl erst bei NULL erreicht....

Obwohl der Rand grad vielversprechend aussieht....

[hpoth]

#292
Hier gehen bald die Licher aus, ist auch für mich ein herber Verlust.
mfg hpoth

[hpoth]

#293
Natürlich die Lichter,diesen Wert werde ich auch meinem Depot jetzt zum Schrottplatz-Depot umbuchen um mir meine
gute Performenc nicht zu versauen.
mfg hpoth

[Thoemsi]

@ HPoth

Der Rand entwickelt sich positiv für Thistle! Börse macht erst mal nie das, was sie rational machen sollte....

Und todgesagte leben bekanntlich doch länger....

Gruß

[Nevadabob]

The EGX Gold Challenge is to find a:
profitable, overlooked, extremely undervalued, $200 /ounce low cost
Gold Producer, currently trading @ cents.

EURASIA GOLD CORP. (EGX:TSX-V) (Toronto)
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…


EURASIA GOLD CORP.

▪ Two operating Gold Producing Gold Mines

▪ Low cost ($200.00 /ounce) Gold Production from two operating
Gold Producing Gold Mines.

▪ 50 to 60 additional Gold Deposits to be mined.
(Feasability studies made by the former soviet union.
Today Kazakhstan is free and independent)

Highlights from Q3, 2003 earning report ( in US dollars )

▪ amount of Gold produced was 8,596 ounces

▪ amount of Gold sold was 7,443 ounces

▪ average production cost for the 9 months was $246.00/oz
(incl. cost for expansion of heap leach pads etc.)

▪ deduct the expansion cost of the heap leach pads to expand the
EGX Gold production and You will find a production cost of about
$200.00 per ounce

▪ Gold was sold at an average price of $362.89/oz

▪ revenue was $2,701,000

▪ net profit was $169,000 (only from 3rd Q3, 2003 earning report)

▪ plus the Gold 1153 ounce produced - and to be sold at a higher price

▪ Record production of 8,596 ounces of gold during the third quarter

▪ 7,443 ounces were sold during the 3rd quarter

▪ It is the Company’s policy to operate as an unhedged gold
producer in order to allow shareholders to benefit from any rise in
the gold price.

▪ It is Eurasia’s objective to increase its annual gold production
incrementally to 60,000 ounces.

▪ it is proposed that an additional exploration of ore zones at
Central Mukur will be initiated to further increase the mineable
reserves during 2004.

▪ The Kazakh government has placed a priority on the development of
the gold industry.

Eurasia Gold Corp. (EGX:TSX-V) Toronto, (EAGCF: OTC:BB) Nasdaq.
http://www.eurasiagold.com

In 1996 when Price Of Gold was around $400 /ounce, EGX hit $.90, and
that without any significant Gold production.

Today the Price Of Gold is around $400 /ounce and Eurasia Gold Corp. produces Gold with a profit.

EGX is currently trading around increadibly low 10 cents per share,
while the upper hidden trend-line is aiming at fair market value $2 /share.

Eurasia Gold Corp. all-data-chart



imo, Best regards

[macgeiz]

evtl. noch Hoffnung!

Nachrichten von gestern:

Significant Increase in Resources and First Reserve Statement in the Eldorado Massives
Toronto, 17 May 2004 – Thistle Mining Inc. (TSX: THT and AIM: TMG)
The directors of Thistle Mining are pleased to announce a significant increase in resource and reserves in the Eldorado Massives at its President Steyn complex in South Africa. The increase is the subject of a report dated 14 May 2004 received from Camden Geoserve CC, the Company’s independent expert.
Two new areas referred to as Project 11 and 12 have been identified.
As can be seen from the table below, the updated resource statement now includes 382,000 ounces in the measured and indicated category using a cut off grade of 4.0 grams per tonne.
Project 10 Category Tonnes 000`s g/t Contents kg`s oz 000`s Measured 3577.772,77589Indicated 2448.041,96363Total 6017.884,738152Project 11 & 12 Measured 3818.733,328107Indicated 6226.123,810123Total 10037.117,139230TOTAL Measured 7388.276103196Indicated 8666.665774186Grand Total 16057.4011876382
Assumptions
Lower cut off of 4g/t
Minimum Stope width of 110cm
External Waste of between 20 and 30 cm in thick channels
Specific gravity of 2.70 t/m3
All values are in-situ grades and tonnages
The increase of 180,000 ounces of gold represents a 90% increase in the resource base and an upgrade of previous inferred.
An initial reserve statement has also been prepared. The probable reserve now stands at 133,000 ounces.
Project 10 Category Tonnes 000`s g/t Contents kg`s oz 000`s Probable 3676.33232675Total 3676.33232675Project 11 & 12 Probable Project 11 1705.0085027Probable Project 12 1279.34118338Total 2976.85203365TOTAL Probable (Total Extraction) 6646.564359140Probable (6% Pillar Intact) 6326.564145133
Initial indications are that development into this area will commence in July 2004 and commence mining in August 2004.
The full reports received from Mr Peter Camden-Smith, (M.Sc. (UCT); GD Eng. (Wits); M.B.L (Unisa; Pr.Sci.Nat) the Company’s independent consulting geologist, will be available shortly on the Company’s web site www.thistlemining.com and on SEDAR.
-30-
For further information contact:
Willie McLucas
President and Chief Executive Officer
[e-mail]
[phone] or
[phone]
In Canada:
Harvey McKenzie
Chief Financial Officer
[e-mail]
[phone]

hier der Link zun Original:

http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/C%20News%20PDF%20012%20…

Viele Grüsse
mcg

[hpoth]

# Thoemsi

Warst Du nicht zu optimistich in diesem Wert?Bei mir gehen nur 0.08% vom gesamt Depot flöten.
gruß hpoth

[Thoemsi]

Das das letzte Ergebnis verherend ausfallen würde war ja wohl jedem klar (cc von über 500 gefallen bei einem Goldpreis von 370 einfach nicht)War bei allen Kaffern so, aber THT trifft es natürlich besonders hart...
Im Nachhinein deutlich zu früh eingestiegen, aber abschreiben würde ich Thistle nicht unbedingt, es sei denn der Rand bleibt so stark, dann wirds kritisch....
Only who dares wins...

[Leh007]

Land unter !!!!

Thistle Mining, the South African gold producer headquartered in Toronto, is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy after a disastrous 15 months at its Free State operations has caused it to default on

Gelesen in Infomine

[Nevadabob]

GOLD UP + $6.90

Eurasia Gold Corp.
http://www.eurasiagold.com



The stock (EGX:TSX-V)
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

[tölzer]

@nevadabob

habe gerade den vericht für das erste quartal angeschaut!

tht.to braucht einen goldkurs von 540 $, damit die profitabel werden.

gruss

tölzer

[Nevadabob]

Thistle Mining`s French subsidiary CIDEM, completes the sale of its 57.7% Stake in Eurasia Gold Corp for US$ 5.1 million

TORONTO, July 28 /CNW Telbec/ - The Board of directors of Thistle Mining are pleased to announce that CIDEM, a wholly owned French subsidiary of Thistle, has sold their entire holding of 68,269,253 common shares of Eurasia Gold Corporation, representing 57.7% of the issued equity, at a price equivalent to CAN$ 0.10 per share.

The consideration comprises US$ 3.5 million in cash and US$ 1.6 million in shares (approximately 2% of the issued shares) of Charaltyn, a gold mining and exploration company, which is listed on the Kazakhstan Stock Exchange. In addition, CIDEM and Charaltyn have agreed a 25% participation agreement; by CIDEM, at its option, on any new gold exploration and mining projects acquired by Charaltyn, effective until 31 December 2005. CIDEM looks forward to working with Charaltyn in the future.

The cash proceeds will be used for working capital purposes in the group.

The buyer of the stake is TKA Corporation, one of the principal shareholders of Charaltyn, a publicly listed Joint-Stock Company, which is led by Mr Baltabek Mukashev, a former director of Eurasia Gold Corporation.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/July2004/28/c6606…

Eurasia Gold Corp. EGX:TSX-V Toronto Stock Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

http://www.ivarkreuger.com/gold.htm

Eurasia Gold Corp
Suite 2215 - 120 Adelaide Street West
Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5H 1T1
Phone: [phone], Fax: [phone]
http://www.eurasiagold.com/

[hpoth]

#302
THT hat tortz der Liquidtätsprobleme alle ihre Vorwärtsverkäufe von 491.627 Unzen Gold eingedeckt,die daraus erwachsene Kredite reichen bis 2007, Kreditvolumen daraus sind ca 45.Mio entstanden, THT braucht drinend einen tieferen Rand, die Trendwende beim Rand ist ja wohl im Gang gekommen.
gruß hpoth

[Plotin]

Spectacular High Grade Intercept Announcement
Monday September 13, 9:23 am ET

TORONTO, Sept. 13 /CNW Telbec/ - Thistle Mining Inc. (TSX: THT and AIM: TMG). The directors of Thistle Mining are pleased to make the following announcement with regards to the Eldorado Massives at its President Steyn Gold Mine in South Africa:

Minkie Block - In the process of drilling for the commercial extraction of the Minkie block, the results of a diamond drill hole have recorded 14 metres of reef grading 25 grams per tonne. This particular ring is due to be blasted on 20 September 2004 and is expected to return approximately 8,000 tonnes of ore.

Big Bertha Block - Development has begun into the Big Bertha Block which is expected to commence commercial production in June 2005. A raise being developed on the bottom contact of the EA1 reef of this block has been sampled over the first 10 metres returning values of 91.8 grams per tonne over a channel width of 161 centimetres.

Commenting on the results, Mr. Gerald Cantello, Mineral Resources Consultant, said "This indicates the amazing potential of this project for the longer term."

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[Plotin]

Press Release Source: THISTLE MINING INC.

High Grade Intercept Announcement
Tuesday September 14, 9:30 am ET

TORONTO, Sept. 14 /CNW Telbec/ - The directors of Thistle Mining Inc. (TSX: THT and AIM: TMG) are pleased to make the following announcement with regards to the Eldorado Massives at its President Steyn Gold Mine in South Africa:

Minkie Block - In the process of drilling for the commercial extraction of the Minkie block, the results of a diamond drill hole have recorded 14 metres of reef land grading 25 grams per tonne. The hole was drilled at approximately 25 degrees to the dip of the ore body and represents a true width of about 5.5 metres. This particular ring is due to be blasted on 20 September 2004 and is expected to return approximately 8,000 tonnes of ore.

Big Bertha Block - Development has begun into the Big Bertha Block which is expected to commence commercial production in June 2005. A raise being developed on the bottom contact of the EA1 reef of this block has been sampled over the first 10 metres returning values of 91.8 grams per tonne over a channel width of 161 centimetres.

The above was reviewed by Mr. Gerald Cantello, Mineral Resources Consultant and confirmed by Mr Peter Camden-Smith, (M.Sc. (UCT); GD Eng. (Wits); M.B.L (Unisa; Pr.Sci.Nat) the Company`s independent consulting geologist and competent person. The assays were done by JS Laboratories of Allanridge, Free State, South Africa.

Commenting on the results, Mr. Gerald Cantello commented "This indicates the potential of this project for the longer term."

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[macvin]

October 4, 2004 PLACING TO RAISE CDN $4.1 MILLION

http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/C%20News%20PDF%20018%20…

October 7, 2004 MINKIE BLOCK ENTERS COMMERCIAL PRODUCTION. EQUIPMENT IN PLACE TO INCREASE THE RATE OF EXTRACTION.

http://www.thistlemining.com/uploads/C%20News%20PDF%20019%20…

Falls der Rand endlich die Kurve kriegt und Gold noch ein bisschen steigt, wäre Thistle vielleicht wieder einen kleinen Zock wert....

[Imoen]

Dat wird aber ein SM-Zock.

Dat braucht man halt manchmal.:O

[Plotin]

autsch.

[Nevadabob]

Posted by Clint Eastwood
Post Time: 10/28/04 14:30 @ St.H.

BTW. I mentioned two days ago that my simple strategy is
to be at the right place at the right time.

It made my day today, as well as all the other days, that
I switched all the rest over to EGX, EURASIA GOLD CORP.

38099902 = GOLD (index)
CA:THT = THISTLE
CA:EGX = EURASIA GOLD CORP.


There`s still time to switch over and save what`s left to
be saved. EGX @ Toronto Exchange
http://www.tse.com/HttpController?GetPage=QuotesViewPage&Det…

more info
http://www.ivarkreuger.com/gold

imo, cheers! CE

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[hpoth]

# All,

THT verhandelt mit Standard Bank ,wegen einen in Verzug geratenen Kredits. Das sieht aber nicht gut aus mit den Banken ist ja bekanntlich nicht mehr gut Kirschen essen.
good luck

hpoth

[chandsen]

Thistle Mining Inc. to restructure under the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement
Act (Canada)
Toronto, 21st December 2004. Thistle Mining Inc. (TSX: THT and AIM: TMG)
Thistle Mining Inc. ("Thistle" or "the Company") intends to undertake a restructuring of its debt
and equity in accordance with a restructuring and lock-up agreement signed December 20, 2004
among Thistle, Meridian Capital Limited and Meridian’s affiliate, Thistle Holdings Limited.
The proposed restructuring will result, upon implementation, in the following percentages of all
the issued shares of Thistle being held as follows:
70% Meridian Capital Limited
25% Holders of secured and certain unsecured convertible loan notes.
5% Affected unsecured creditors and existing shareholders of Thistle Mining
Inc.
The existing equity issued by Thistle will be cancelled. The 5% of new equity to be issued by
Thistle to its affected unsecured creditors and its existing shareholders upon implementation will
be allocated between them in a manner to be determined by Meridian Capital Limited. The
percentage of shares to be received by the existing shareholders will depend on the amount of
claims by Thistle’s affected unsecured creditors.
Upon implementation, Thistle will be indebted to Meridian in the principal amount of US$ 20
million (and in the additional principal amounts loaned by Meridian to any subsidiary of Thistle
after December 16, 2004 and before the date of the initial CCAA Order). Such amount will
include the principal amount of Cdn $3,930,000 loaned by Meridian to a subsidiary of Thistle on
December 20, 2004.
Holders of a significant principal amount of Thistle’s secured convertible loan notes are in
support of the plan.
Thistle is confident that the proposed plan will enable the Company to restructure in a manner
which will be beneficial to Thistle and its creditors.
Thistle anticipates that it will commence its restructuring by making an application under the
Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act (Canada) in Ontario in January, 2005.
For further information contact Harvey McKenzie, Chief Financial Officer, 1-416-594-3293.

[gobu]

kann das mal jemand übersetzen ?