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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.316.096 von zyperus am 15.07.14 23:58:07Hallo,
norsk hydro
die macht wirklich freude. heute mit einem dicken vol. satz auf 36,2nok in der spitze. nun 35,95nok, mein nachkauf zur stärkunf der stamm titel mit pos. 3 war rein charttechnisch ausgelegt und genau richtig. das geile...sorry
der nächste nennenswerte widerstand hat nun einiges an luft...in den 40.ergern....
masterflex
auch erfreulich der nun x-te versuch die 7,25 nachhaltig zu brechen.
der anlauf mit für die verhältnisse vol., müsste noch ein wenig mehr werden.
wichtig wären mal schlusskurse über dieser marke...
bei s&t sieht es aus als gingen die adressen langsam aus dem titel.
der druck lässt deutlich nach. ähnlich triplan, auch hier die marke
von 3,2euro eine nummer...
dt. bank steigt schön, meine 25/26er kursmarke war berechnend bisher genau inline. nun bis 32euro luft. einige bekannte sind auf den empfehlungszug aufgesprungen...
nun den dax wahrscheinlich bis 10020/30 pushen....die unteren stände anschließend rechne ich mit immer tieferen tiefs. dann können wir einiges ablesen...davon bis 9800 runter, mal schauen wie der kaiser so schön sagte...
norsk hydro
die macht wirklich freude. heute mit einem dicken vol. satz auf 36,2nok in der spitze. nun 35,95nok, mein nachkauf zur stärkunf der stamm titel mit pos. 3 war rein charttechnisch ausgelegt und genau richtig. das geile...sorry
der nächste nennenswerte widerstand hat nun einiges an luft...in den 40.ergern....
masterflex
auch erfreulich der nun x-te versuch die 7,25 nachhaltig zu brechen.
der anlauf mit für die verhältnisse vol., müsste noch ein wenig mehr werden.
wichtig wären mal schlusskurse über dieser marke...
bei s&t sieht es aus als gingen die adressen langsam aus dem titel.
der druck lässt deutlich nach. ähnlich triplan, auch hier die marke
von 3,2euro eine nummer...
dt. bank steigt schön, meine 25/26er kursmarke war berechnend bisher genau inline. nun bis 32euro luft. einige bekannte sind auf den empfehlungszug aufgesprungen...
nun den dax wahrscheinlich bis 10020/30 pushen....die unteren stände anschließend rechne ich mit immer tieferen tiefs. dann können wir einiges ablesen...davon bis 9800 runter, mal schauen wie der kaiser so schön sagte...
Masterflex ist nach oben ausgebrochen mit -relativ- hohem Umsat bei 7,20 - 7,25 €
Das könnte der Startschuß sein für die zweite Jahreshälfte bis Jahresende.
Das könnte der Startschuß sein für die zweite Jahreshälfte bis Jahresende.
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.318.218 von Papillon666 am 16.07.14 11:55:07Das ist der Daily, aber trotzdem super!!! und man sieht, wie brisant die Lage jetzt ist. Aufgrund der CoT Daten sage ich abwärts und zwar deutlich. Sollte China weiter gute Zahlen liefern oder in Nahost die Lage eskalieren, aufwärts. Saisonalität sagt eher neutral. Von daher kann man sich nicht auf eine Richtung festlegen. Ich wäre generell bei Ölproducern vorsichtig. Bei abwärts trifft es theoretisch auch Fracking. Aber es ist nichts entscheiden.
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.317.988 von Montekaolino am 16.07.14 11:30:19
aus hotcopper.
Lithium or Vanadium: In Energy Storage, It’s No Contest
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-or-vanadium-in-energy-storage-its-no-contest
Energy storage is poised to transform the electricity industry. In the U.S. alone, energy storage will grow 6x, from 120 megawatts to over 720 megawatts by 2020. Globally, it will bring power for the first time to over a billion people by letting them tap into micro-grids.
Lithium and vanadium have both been offered up as a basis for the storage economy. But which technology will win?
Here are some facts about each – draw your own conclusions.
Cell Design
Lithium - Lithium batteries store their energy in cells. Some are flat. Some are cylindrical, but you’re familiar with what they are: relatively small, self-contained devices that get hot. There are probably two in your phone and six in your notebook. But in a grid scale storage system, you need hundreds of thousands of them. It would be sort of like building an industrial-scale cold storage facility with a bunch of portable refrigerators. You can do it; it just won’t work well.
Vanadium - Vanadium flow batteries store their energy in tanks. The electrolyte — the fluid that transfers charges inside a battery — flows from one tank through the system back to the same tank. The tanks can be fish tank size or bigger than an above ground pool. As a result — and you will see this over and over again — it’s much easier to adapt flow batteries to industrial-scale applications without adding a lot of cost. You just make the tank bigger.
Cost
Lithium - Bloomberg New Energy Finance says the average cost of a lithium-ion based storage system is $1,750 a kilowatt hour. The cost includes the cells, electronics, installation and balance of systems expenses. By 2020, Baird Research projects that Tesla Motors' planned gigafactory will be able to produce energy storage systems for $400 a kilowatt hour — all in — and sell them for $500 a kilowatt hour.
Vanadium - Some vanadium batteries already provide complete energy storage systems for $500 per kilowatt hour, a figure that will fall below $300 per kilowatt hour in less than a year. That is a full five years before the gigafactory hits its stride. By 2020, those energy storage systems will be produced for $150 a kwh. Then there is scaling. If you want to double the size of a lithium system, you double the price: a ten kilowatt system would cost $17,500. With vanadium, you just increase the size of the tank, so the price per kilowatt hour goes down. Suddenly, the prices are going in different directions. Bigger is better.
Lifetime
Lithium - Grid batteries have to last for decades. The average age of a substation transformer in the U.S. is 42 years. Lithium ion batteries have a finite life. Performance degrades over time and is impacted by heat, operating conditions and how deep, and how often, they have been discharged. Battery University notes that the capacity of lithium ion cells can drop to a 50 percent level after 1,200 to 1,500 discharges.
Vanadium - Vanadium-based flow energy storage systems can operate forever. The active ingredient is a low-cost, rechargeable electrolyte, which never wears out due to the type of chemical reaction involved. The electronics and software to manage the system can be easily upgraded like any computer. The last major component — the plastic tanks for holding the electrolyte — lasts for decades.
Applicable Markets
Lithium - So with lithium you’ve got a small, expensive battery with a finite lifetime. To build a storage system for running demand response programs or a backup system that can provide four to six hours of power, you need thousands of cells. It’s like building a warehouse-scale facility with suitcases. But it gets worse. Lithium batteries also are subject to “thermal runaway” reactions, i.e. they can blow up.
Vanadium - Vanadium-based systems are made for industrial-size applications from a few kilowatts to several megawatts. And there is no danger of thermal reactions.
Manufacturing and Scalability
Lithium - Manufacturing lithium ion cells isn’t easy. Lithium ion cell maker A123 Systems filed for bankruptcy less than three years after it held an IPO. “The lithium ion battery manufacturing space is not for the weak of heart,” says Sam Jaffe, senior research analyst with Navigant Research. “The electric vehicle market is growing slowly and the battery manufacturers are engaged in a Darwinian fight for survival.” Tesla Motors’ Gigafactory would double the worldwide capacity to 50 Gigawatt hours worth of batteries and cost $5 billion dollars. It’s a big risk. It’s also worth noting that there is already significant unused lithium ion battery manufacturing capacity among vendors in Korea, China and Japan.
Vanadium - Setting up a Vanadium storage manufacturing facility is simple and very low cost — orders of magnitude less expensive than the proposed Gigafactory. The production process is also simple, and ecologically safe. The electrolyte and other active components are combined as one process step, the enclosure, made of pipes, tanks and electronics is assembled as a second process step, and they are then assembled into battery packs. As a result, total worldwide capacity can “flow” much easier: manufacturing capacity can be added incrementally.
Efficiency
Lithium batteries are 85 percent efficient over shallow discharges when new. Flow batteries are around 75 percent efficient. But if you operate lithium ion batteries in an environment above 40 Celsius, the charge rate (i.e. the time it takes to charge) drops by 25 percent and the lifetime cycles drop by 33 percent. Below minus 20 Celsius, the charge rate drops by 40 percent
-Vanadium batteries aren’t impacted.
Environmental Impact
Lithium - Lithium batteries for the most part aren’t recycled. Economically, it is just not worth it. The price of battery grade lithium hydroxide has more than tripled to $7,600 a ton. Most lithium comes from mines and brine pit operations in Australia, Bolivia, Chile and Argentina. Talison Lithium, the largest producer in the world, extracts more than 350,000 tons of lithium ores out of a single mine a year
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aus hotcopper.
Lithium or Vanadium: In Energy Storage, It’s No Contest
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...-or-vanadium-in-energy-storage-its-no-contest
Energy storage is poised to transform the electricity industry. In the U.S. alone, energy storage will grow 6x, from 120 megawatts to over 720 megawatts by 2020. Globally, it will bring power for the first time to over a billion people by letting them tap into micro-grids.
Lithium and vanadium have both been offered up as a basis for the storage economy. But which technology will win?
Here are some facts about each – draw your own conclusions.
Cell Design
Lithium - Lithium batteries store their energy in cells. Some are flat. Some are cylindrical, but you’re familiar with what they are: relatively small, self-contained devices that get hot. There are probably two in your phone and six in your notebook. But in a grid scale storage system, you need hundreds of thousands of them. It would be sort of like building an industrial-scale cold storage facility with a bunch of portable refrigerators. You can do it; it just won’t work well.
Vanadium - Vanadium flow batteries store their energy in tanks. The electrolyte — the fluid that transfers charges inside a battery — flows from one tank through the system back to the same tank. The tanks can be fish tank size or bigger than an above ground pool. As a result — and you will see this over and over again — it’s much easier to adapt flow batteries to industrial-scale applications without adding a lot of cost. You just make the tank bigger.
Cost
Lithium - Bloomberg New Energy Finance says the average cost of a lithium-ion based storage system is $1,750 a kilowatt hour. The cost includes the cells, electronics, installation and balance of systems expenses. By 2020, Baird Research projects that Tesla Motors' planned gigafactory will be able to produce energy storage systems for $400 a kilowatt hour — all in — and sell them for $500 a kilowatt hour.
Vanadium - Some vanadium batteries already provide complete energy storage systems for $500 per kilowatt hour, a figure that will fall below $300 per kilowatt hour in less than a year. That is a full five years before the gigafactory hits its stride. By 2020, those energy storage systems will be produced for $150 a kwh. Then there is scaling. If you want to double the size of a lithium system, you double the price: a ten kilowatt system would cost $17,500. With vanadium, you just increase the size of the tank, so the price per kilowatt hour goes down. Suddenly, the prices are going in different directions. Bigger is better.
Lifetime
Lithium - Grid batteries have to last for decades. The average age of a substation transformer in the U.S. is 42 years. Lithium ion batteries have a finite life. Performance degrades over time and is impacted by heat, operating conditions and how deep, and how often, they have been discharged. Battery University notes that the capacity of lithium ion cells can drop to a 50 percent level after 1,200 to 1,500 discharges.
Vanadium - Vanadium-based flow energy storage systems can operate forever. The active ingredient is a low-cost, rechargeable electrolyte, which never wears out due to the type of chemical reaction involved. The electronics and software to manage the system can be easily upgraded like any computer. The last major component — the plastic tanks for holding the electrolyte — lasts for decades.
Applicable Markets
Lithium - So with lithium you’ve got a small, expensive battery with a finite lifetime. To build a storage system for running demand response programs or a backup system that can provide four to six hours of power, you need thousands of cells. It’s like building a warehouse-scale facility with suitcases. But it gets worse. Lithium batteries also are subject to “thermal runaway” reactions, i.e. they can blow up.
Vanadium - Vanadium-based systems are made for industrial-size applications from a few kilowatts to several megawatts. And there is no danger of thermal reactions.
Manufacturing and Scalability
Lithium - Manufacturing lithium ion cells isn’t easy. Lithium ion cell maker A123 Systems filed for bankruptcy less than three years after it held an IPO. “The lithium ion battery manufacturing space is not for the weak of heart,” says Sam Jaffe, senior research analyst with Navigant Research. “The electric vehicle market is growing slowly and the battery manufacturers are engaged in a Darwinian fight for survival.” Tesla Motors’ Gigafactory would double the worldwide capacity to 50 Gigawatt hours worth of batteries and cost $5 billion dollars. It’s a big risk. It’s also worth noting that there is already significant unused lithium ion battery manufacturing capacity among vendors in Korea, China and Japan.
Vanadium - Setting up a Vanadium storage manufacturing facility is simple and very low cost — orders of magnitude less expensive than the proposed Gigafactory. The production process is also simple, and ecologically safe. The electrolyte and other active components are combined as one process step, the enclosure, made of pipes, tanks and electronics is assembled as a second process step, and they are then assembled into battery packs. As a result, total worldwide capacity can “flow” much easier: manufacturing capacity can be added incrementally.
Efficiency
Lithium batteries are 85 percent efficient over shallow discharges when new. Flow batteries are around 75 percent efficient. But if you operate lithium ion batteries in an environment above 40 Celsius, the charge rate (i.e. the time it takes to charge) drops by 25 percent and the lifetime cycles drop by 33 percent. Below minus 20 Celsius, the charge rate drops by 40 percent
-Vanadium batteries aren’t impacted.
Environmental Impact
Lithium - Lithium batteries for the most part aren’t recycled. Economically, it is just not worth it. The price of battery grade lithium hydroxide has more than tripled to $7,600 a ton. Most lithium comes from mines and brine pit operations in Australia, Bolivia, Chile and Argentina. Talison Lithium, the largest producer in the world, extracts more than 350,000 tons of lithium ores out of a single mine a year
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.316.580 von prallhans am 16.07.14 08:22:57Hallo prallhans und alle anderen,
hier mein Brent Chart:
die obere rote trendlinie kommt aus dem Hoch vom Juli´08
Grüße
hier mein Brent Chart:
die obere rote trendlinie kommt aus dem Hoch vom Juli´08
Grüße
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 47.317.082 von urpferdchen am 16.07.14 09:39:18Obacht, Rohstoffe. DJ UBS Index. SKS vollendet Nackenlinie durchbrochen:
Der Chart zu Grange res. über 0,18 Aud$ - wäre -charttechnisch- der Weg Richtung 0,24 Aud$ frei
über 0,18 $ wäre der Chart über der -wichtigen- roten 50er Durchschnittlinie
Zum Vergleich Rio Tinto ist seit dem 1.7. von 60 Aud$ schon viel mehr gestiegen
Rio Tinto ist nacheinander über die rote - blaue und die gelbe 200er LINIE gesitegen - die Linientechnik
und wie so oft - ist die rote 5oer - Linie die wichtigste - neben der 200er Linie - und die Trendlinie.
Klöckner - wenn die 10,00 Euro halten ( sehr wahrscheinlich ) und der Kurs über den fallenden Trend
bei 10,50 Euro steigt, ist der Weg nach oben frei -charttechnisch -
Der Widerstand bei 10,80 dürfte über 10,50 € kein Problem sein.
Bei Deutz ist die 5,38 € - 50 % Korrektur vom Hoch - und eine sehr starke Unterstützung - wenn die unter
5,30 durchbrochen wird - ist erst bei 4,50 € die nächste sehr starke Unterstützung.
über 0,18 $ wäre der Chart über der -wichtigen- roten 50er Durchschnittlinie
Zum Vergleich Rio Tinto ist seit dem 1.7. von 60 Aud$ schon viel mehr gestiegen
Rio Tinto ist nacheinander über die rote - blaue und die gelbe 200er LINIE gesitegen - die Linientechnik
und wie so oft - ist die rote 5oer - Linie die wichtigste - neben der 200er Linie - und die Trendlinie.
Klöckner - wenn die 10,00 Euro halten ( sehr wahrscheinlich ) und der Kurs über den fallenden Trend
bei 10,50 Euro steigt, ist der Weg nach oben frei -charttechnisch -
Der Widerstand bei 10,80 dürfte über 10,50 € kein Problem sein.
Bei Deutz ist die 5,38 € - 50 % Korrektur vom Hoch - und eine sehr starke Unterstützung - wenn die unter
5,30 durchbrochen wird - ist erst bei 4,50 € die nächste sehr starke Unterstützung.
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