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da asbestvergleich in den usa naht, armstrong ist von 21 cents uf ca 3 dlooar gestiegen, ist aber immer noch nur 150 mio wert, muss man da rein.wer weiss was

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ich weiss was - und das schon lange ... seit ca. 0,60 cent

sei versichert, wer jetzt einsteigt macht zwar keine 1000% aber bis 5 - 6 $ ist allemal luft in den nächsten 3 - 6 monaten

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ach sorry - da ich ja nicht billig pushen will (da könnte doch einer auf die idee kommen bei den 2mil. share umsätzen ) - freut mich das die noch einer entdeckt hat ausser mir

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nach einem report kriegt muss jeder von denen ca. 1 mrd an asbest vergleich weniger zahlen. aber wenn haelst du derzeit fuer den guenstigsten dieser asbestfirmen. grace, armstrong oder owens. ich setzte vornehmlich auf grace und
armstrong...finger weg von federal mogul...ist die einzigste ag die nach dem vergleich mehrzahlen muss

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ich bin erst seit 3 1 euro dabei bei armstrong, bei owens
mit 50cents und bei grace mit 5 usd allerdings mit size.
wenn der verfleich durch ist...koennen
wir auch wieder auf ein paar hundert prozent kommen. armstrong hat jetzt erst ein kgv von 1.5!!!!
schau die auch mal energiekontor an ist zwar serioeser und langweiliger aber auch hier sind 200% dicke drin, haben eine dividendenrendite von 14% und die zahlen die weiter!!!

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und energiekontor hat auch nur ein kgv von ca.3 und 45 mio
cash sind aber an der boerse mit 40 mio nur bewertet , so was mag ich

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ich bin ausschliesslich in armstrong drinnen - und das sehr fett

aber wir wissen ja beide wovon wir hier reden - hier wird richtig geld mit substanz gemacht

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hier mal die nachricht:

-07-09 21:27 (New York)

Asbestos Fund May Save Companies $15 Bln, Study Says (Update5)

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July 9 (Bloomberg) -- Halliburton Co., Honeywell
International Inc. and nine other companies seeking to resolve
asbestos-exposure claims would save about $15 billion if Congress
enacts a nationwide trust fund, according to a study by lawyers
advising victims in negotiated settlements.
The companies would pay almost $21 billion under proposed
bankruptcy reorganization plans and settlements with victims,
compared with about $6.1 billion under the congressional proposal,
the study says.
Opponents of the bill released the study to buttress their
argument that the legislation would let companies escape
obligations of settlements to victims, who would now have to stand
in line with other claimants for lesser compensation.
``To do that to these victims and at the same time to give a
bailout and such a windfall to companies like Honeywell and
Halliburton`` is ``just outrageous,`` said Perry Weitz, a New York
lawyer who represents asbestos exposure victims and isn`t involved
in the study.
The Senate Judiciary Committee, headed by Republican Orrin
Hatch of Utah, is scheduled to resume deliberations tomorrow on a
bill designed to end litigation that has bankrupted more than 60
U.S. companies in the last two decades. Workers who show evidence
their asbestos exposure caused cancer or other diseases would be
compensated under a formula being debated by the panel.
Negotiations continued into the evening without an agreement on
the compensation plan.

$90 Billion

The proposed legislation calls for manufacturers and
insurance companies with asbestos liability to pay $90 billion
over 27 years, equally divided between the two industries.
Individual companies with the largest liabilities would contribute
a percentage of annual revenue -- from 1.5 percent the first year
to 0.179 percent in the final year.
The bill would also authorize the trust`s administrator to
raise an additional $45 billion over 27 years if claims exceed the
cash on hand to pay them.
AFL-CIO President John Sweeney urged senators to vote against
the bill unless the panel increases the amounts to compensate
individual victims and makes other changes to the bill. The bill,
without any additional changes, ``would reflect a major setback
for victims of asbestos disease,`` Sweeney wrote lawmakers in a
letter dated yesterday.
Labor representatives have predicted they enlist enough
Democrats to block a vote on the bill when it reaches the full
Senate, where 51 of the chamber`s 100 senators are Republicans.
Republicans need 60 votes to consider the bill and vote on it.

Shares Soar

Shares of companies with asbestos liability have soared as
Congress has made progress toward enacting the trust fund.
Opponents of the proposed fund argue it would strip victims of the
right to sue without paying them enough for their suffering.
Mark Peterson, an asbestos-liability consultant who helped
produce the study, commissioned by the law firm of Caplin &
Drysdale, predicted the proposed fund would delay compensation for
victims already scheduled to receive money under bankruptcy
settlements. It might take eight years for the estimated 300,000
victims who file claims in the first year to get any money,
Peterson said.
Angela Ruhl, 39, of Garden Grove, California, who said she
suffers from mesothelioma, a rare cancer, said the $750,000 she
would receive from the fund is less than she is due under
settlements negotiated by her lawyer. Fund payments would be slow
in coming and any delay ``would literally be my death sentence,``
she said. ``My family would be bankrupt.``
The study projected savings for such companies as Armstrong
Holdings Inc., North America`s largest vinyl flooring maker, and
chemical maker W.R. Grace & Co. by comparing estimates of what
they would pay bankruptcy recovery plans and contributions to the
fund set by the formula.

Savings for Halliburton

Halliburton, the world`s second-largest oilfield services
provider once headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, has announced
plans to set up a $4.2 billion trust by putting its DII Industries
LLC and Kellogg Brown & Root into bankruptcy protection. Under the
legislation, the company would pay $675 million over 27 years, the
study said. Halliburton, while seeking court approval of its
bankruptcy plan, is a member of the Asbestos Study Group, a
coalition of companies lobbying Congress to enact the trust fund.
``Halliburton`s financial obligations under the proposed bill
could equal or exceed the cost of the negotiated settlement, after
accounting for insurance recoveries,`` spokeswoman Beverly Scippa
said in an e-mail.
Honeywell, which has also announced a bankruptcy trust of
about $2 billion for its former North American Refractories unit,
would also pay $675 million under the congressional plan. By
stretching out their payments over 27 years, Halliburton and
Honeywell would each save another $311 million, according to the
study.
Honeywell spokesman Richard Silverman declined to comment.
Spokesmen for Armstrong, and W.R. Grace didn`t return phone-mail
messages seeking comment.

Bankruptcy Trust

The study estimated that the bankruptcy trust set up by USG
Corp., the biggest U.S. wallboard maker, would pay $3 billion to
asbestos victims compared with $999.39 million under the fund. By
stretching out its payments, the company would pay $800 million in
today`s dollars, the study said. The lawyers group that
commissioned the study opposes the bill.
USG spokesman Bob Williams said he couldn`t confirm the
study`s estimate of the company`s proposed bankruptcy settlement,
saying it`s still being worked out in court. Williams didn`t
quarrel with the study`s estimate of how much USG would pay under
the bill.
``A billion dollars is a lot of money from one company and
it`s a financial burden,`` he said. ``But we are willing to do
this because we think the bill is the right solution.``
Hatch and other proponents argue that at least half of the
money won in large damage awards goes to trial lawyers, who push
claims by people who aren`t sick.

Stretching Out Payments

W.R. Grace, which the study estimated has $2.3 billion to pay
bankruptcy claims, would pay an estimated $523.6 million to the
nationwide trust. It would save another $104 million in today`s
dollars by stretching out its payments, the study estimated.
It said Armstrong`s liability would be reduced from $1.6
billion to $914 million and the company would save another $182
million by making annual contributions for 27 years.
Shares of Chicago-based USG, which have almost tripled since
May 1, fell $3.10, or 13 percent, to close at $20.10 on the New
York Stock Exchange. Halliburton shares, which have gained more
than 10 percent in the same period, rose 62 cents, or 2.7 percent,
to $23.45 on the New York Stock Exchange, where Honeywell shares,
up 18 percent during the same period, rose 22 cents to $28.03.

Manville Trust

The Manville trust, created after the 1982 bankruptcy of
Johns Manville Corp., has paid exposed workers more than $2.7
billion and is the model for other companies that have been forced
into bankruptcy by asbestos claims. The companies are required by
law to give injured workers at least a 50.1 percent stake in the
reorganized company to get out of Chapter 11.
ABB Ltd.`s Combustion Engineering unit, Federal-Mogul Corp.,
Owens Corning, Armstrong`s World Industries unit, Pittsburgh
Corning Inc. and McDermott International Inc.`s Babcock & Wilcox
unit have filed plans to create such trusts.
In the study released today, the lone company that faces
additional liability under the congressional plan is Federal-
Mogul, the largest maker of engine bearings and seals. It would
pay $650 million from its proposed trust and $1.2 billion under
the bill, the study estimated.
Federal-Mogul spokeswoman Kimberly Welch declined to comment
on the projected figures.

--James Rowley in Washington at (1)[phone] or
[e-mail], with reporting by David Plumb in New York
and Jeff St.Onge in Washington through the Washington newsroom
(1)[phone]. Editor: Rubin, Chu, Wolfson, Rubin, Asseo,
Aarons

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wir sind wohl die einzigsten ,die in denw erten drin sind

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das macht aber nix

da wird halt lieber mit dem schrott rumgezockt