Kaufen Tausende Anleger jetzt Gold??? - 500 Beiträge pro Seite

[manfred1_I]

Nicht nur bei Umfragen kommt Gold immer mehr in den
Vordergrund.
Auch viele Anleger glauben den Beteuerungen nicht
mehr.

Durch die schnelle Eingreiftruppe, die die Märkte
entsprechend manipuliert, verlieren bald die Anleger
den Glauben an alles.
Jetzt dürfte erstmal wieder der Dollar stabilisiert
werden. Es können ja nicht alle Aktien aufgekauft
werden.


Usw.,usw.

Die Pusherei bei Gold bringt alle Anlegern nochmal
Supereinstiegskurse.

[Stephen]

Deine Pusherei bei Gold scheint aber auch nichts zu bringen!

[Insolvenzverwaltung]

Ich kaufe ein Gold, ich habe schon welches und mehr will ich wirklich nicht. Mein Gold ist in physischer Form, denn zu den meisten Goldminen habe ich Null Vertrauen.

Viel erwarte ich mir aber nicht vom Gold, weder kurz noch langfristig. Es ist für mich eine Versicherung, falls alle Stricke reissen, mehr nicht.

[Insolvenzverwaltung]

Ich kaufe Kein Gold sollte das heissen.

[oh Henry]

Jetzt kauft dann erst mal gar niemand gar nichts mehr.
a) weil viel Geld einfach kaputt gemacht wurde.
b) weil die, die noch Kohle haben auch nicht glauben, daß an mit Aktien überhaupt Geld zu verdienen ist.
Vielleicht mit Puts.

Grüße, oh Henry

[howling wolf]

@ Manfred: Nein, sieht nicht so aus.
Aber Dutzende von Känguruh-Minen scheinen wieder leer zu verkaufen, schau Dir nur den Chart der letzten 24 Stunden an ...
hw

[YoyoStock]

ich denke auch, daß erst einmal nichts gekauft wird (eine Art Schock) In USA werden die Kleinanleger erst einmal Schadensbegrenzung betreiben, indem sie Ihre Aktien verkaufen um zu reten was zu retten ist. Ich glaube auch nicht, daß diese Kleinanleger die nötige Weitsicht haben, um in Gold zu investieren. Man wird es erst einmal auf die Bank legen. Erst wenn die erste Bank in USA umkippt, erst dann werden die Anleger masssiv ins Gold gehen. Dies kann durchaus bedeuten, daß wir bei Gold nochmal günstige Einstiegskurse sehen werden. Erst einmal sehen wie die Psychologie so spielt. Die Frage ist, ob vielleicht die Goldmienen, den evt. Goldpreisanstieg nicht schon verwegnehmen werden?

[manfred1_I]

Die Anleger -die flüssig sind-scheinen jetzt bei den niedrigeren Preisen zuzugreifen.

Was glaubt ihr was passiert, wenn demnächst ein
Grossanleger sein Silber ausliefern lassen würde??

Momentan in der Crashphase wird alles auf den Markt
geworfen, was sich noch irgendwie flüssig machen lässt.

Schaut euch den Kursverlauf von JPM-Chase an.
Deshalb muss Gold runter. Sonst haben wir evtl.
das nächste Desaster.???

Es bleibt spannender als jeder Krimi.

[jeffery2]

Hier geht es doch nicht um "Kleinanleger", das sind keine Kleinanleger, die täglich 600 Millarden $ um den Erdball jagen auf der Suche nach einer guten Anlagemöglichkeit. Die GesamtMKP der GM, war doch so um die 60 Milliarden $, korrigiert mich, das wäre doch ein Fliegenschiss für r i c h t i g e Anleger. Oder wozu braucht man die Cayman Islands, die Inseln ´vor England, Gibraltar, usw. für Kleinanleger nicht, aber da ist das Geld.
Spannend ist es schon, Kosto sagt erst kommen die Schmerzen, dann das Geld........? Vielleicht habe ich auch die falschen Gedanken.
J2

[manfred1_I]

jeffery2

wenn du Gold-oz. Stücke hast, ist ja fast alles beim
Alten.
Dollar etwas gestiegen, Gold gefallen.
Der Preis für das oz. Stück kaum verändert.

Aber durch die Panik an den Aktienmärkten werden die
Depots zwangsliquidiert.
Auch die ein oder andere Goldaktie/Silberaktie wird mit versilbert.

Aber wie du schon sagst. Zuerst kommen die Schmerzen
und dann ......

Bis dann.

JPM-Chase minus 17 bis 18 %.

[manfred1_I]

Auch dieses bestätigt meine These:


Analysten von CIBC World Markets stuften heute Barrick Gold, Meridian Gold, Goldcorp und Gold Fields Limited von Buy auf Strong Buy. Die Analysten sehen aufgrund der aktuellen niedrigen Bewertungen und des 2003´er Gold-Kurszieles von 350 Dollar Aufwärtspotential für die Aktien im Sektor. Die Aktien in der Gruppe sollten darüber hinaus von der Unsicherheit im Markt profitieren können.

[manfred1_I]

Auch das Nachfolgende gibt meiner Meinung
Untersützung, obwohl man eher das Gegenteil
meinen sollte.

Gold tumbles as stocks stabilize
By John Labate in New York
FT.com site; Jul 23, 2002


Gold prices tumbled on Tuesday as US stocks stabilized in midday trading after three days of triple-digit losses and the dollar advanced against other major currencies.

Traders said gold volatility intensified as investors took profits after a string of gains.

In midday trading in New York, spot gold was $10 lower at $313.10 an ounce while the precious metal fixed lower at $319.70 an ounce late in London.

Gold prices are especially sensitive to movements in the dollar exchange rate and the uptick in the dollar against the euro, and the yen on Tuesday helped to put pressure on metal prices. Gold is denominated in dollars and when the currency rises, gold becomes more expensive for overseas buyers.

"We`ve been following the stock market and the euro for some months and with the stock market bouncing gold is having a correction here," said Ian MacDonald, vice president and manager of precious metals at Commerzbank in New York.

He added that slower physical buying of gold in recent months and central bank selling had put a lid on gold prices.

US stocks were mixed by midday trading in New York, giving stock investors their first day of relief after three straight days of heavy losses. The midday S&P 500 index was down 7.7 at 812.18 while the Dow Jones Industrial Average climbed 52.6 points higher to 7837.19.

Traders said safe-haven gold was pausing to consolidate after hitting three-week highs on Friday.

Oil markets were steady after Venezuela`s energy minister said the country is not producing beyond its OPEC oil quota and it will continue to follow output limits.

Late in London Brent for September delivery was down 4 cents at $25.38 a barrel. Nymex September futures at midday in New York were 16 cents higher at $26.86.

[manfred1_I]

Auch dieses ist wieder interessant:

ROHSTOFFE

Baring Asset Management (BAM) empfiehlt, den Rohstoffsektor überzugewichten. In der derzeitigen Situation schwacher und turbulenter Aktienmärkte habe sich dieser Sektor als relativ sichere Investition erwiesen, begründete BAM in einer Analyse. Die zyklischen Substanzwerte aus den Branchen Grundstoffe, Metalle, Öl und nicht zuletzt Gold hätten der Abwärtsbewegung der globalen Aktienmärkte in den vergangenen Monaten relativ sicher standgehalten.

[kaepntnemo]

@#13
<zufaellig> las ich heute morgen noch mal die ganze stormwatch-story von pulveda bei financial sense in aller Ruhe durch,- nicht ahnend, dass ich die in 1999/2000/2001 entworfenen Szenarien gleich heute noch hautnah miterleben durfte...
Da laeufts einem schon n bisschen kalt den ruecken runter.
mal ganz abgesehen von der faust in der tasche wg den moneten.
Aber langer Rede kurzer Sinn, die essenz aus allen diesen studien z thema stagflation etc. ist schlicht CASH, COMMODITIES & NERVEN. Mehr nicht.

Aeh, BTW, Manfred, bist Du das, der da heimlich still & leise schon ca 7% der Kakao-Kontrakte an sich gebracht hat? So ne Art Kakao-Hunt sozusagen

Halali
nemo

[manfred1_I]

Das Börsenbeben findet seine Fortsetzung in
Asien.

Für die Goldkartell-Banken (wie JPM, Citigr. usw.)
wird es jetzt ganz eng.

Der Weg für das Gold dürfte bald frei sein.

[manfred1_I]

Noch eins:
die Ersten sind heute zur Bank marschiert und haben
oz. Stücke geordert.

Habt ihr davon gehört, dass der amerik. Silver Eagle
knapp ist???
Teilweise bei Banken nicht mehr zu bekommen.

Also sollte man es über den Münzhandel noch versuchen.

[manfred1_I]

Auf jeden Fall die Japaner sind dabei.

TOKYO (Dow Jones)--Japan`s imports of gold surged 282.1% in volume terms in June from the same month a year earlier, the Ministry of Finance said Wednesday.

Many Japanese have looked to gold in recent months as a safer investment than the country`s shaky banking system.

The total value of Japan`s gold imports rose 369.7%, to Y5.85 billion, as the price of gold climbed more than 22% in the intervening year.

[manfred1_I]

Was passiert mit JPM wenn der Goldpreis weiter
steigt??

Oder steigt er deshalb nicht???
Seltsam kam mir gestern die Erholung von JPM vor.


JPM besitzt 41 Milliarden US Dollar Gold Derivative per 31. December 2001. Das waren ca 65% aller weltweiten Gold Derivativ Positionen.

Weil JPM massiv Gold Derivativ Positionen inne hat, die die Existenz von JPM gefährden, falls die Goldpreise entgegen ihren ürsprünglichen Annahmen weiter steigen statt fallen.

"JPM certainly does have large outstandings in gold derivatives. According to figures from OCC JPM had over US$ 41 billion of gold derivatives as at December 31, 2001. This represented almost 65% of all the gold derivatives held by US banks. It also represents the equivalent of 149 million ounces of gold assuming the closing price of gold on December 31, 2001 at US$ 279."

Ganzer Bericht: JPM "The $24 Trillion Derivatives Monster"

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_02/chapmand061302pv.htm…

[manfred1_I]

Die Minenaktien fallen gerade in NY.

Man oh man.

Ob man Morgen noch alle Münzen bekommt???

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(AFX-Focus) 2002-07-25 16:30 GMT: Metals - Gold sheds some gains in volatile late London trade


LONDON (AFX) - Gold shed some gains in volatile late London trade as investment houses continue to liquidate positions, dealers said.

"All the commodities are heading lower as there remains lingering fund selling against a background of high volatility in stock markets," said Robin Bhar, analyst at Standard Bank.

"There is a belief that funds are selling gold in order to pay for margin calls of the losses in the stock markets," he added.

"There is still quandary amongst investors unable to see clearly where the global economy and stock markets are heading," he said.

Stock markets appear to be shrugging off today`s weakness in US economic data, in the shape of durable goods and existing home sales, said Bhar.

However economic indicators will be watched carefully to see whether the slide in stock market is impacting on the real economy, he said. "The market has fallen every day and investors are waiting for signals that weakness in stocks is impacting on consumer spending."

At 4.05 pm, gold traded 70 cents down at 310.05 usd per ounce.

Most basic metals registered losses, tracking moves on the DJIA ,which opened down 26.38 pts at 8,164.01 and touched a low of 8,092.21 before rebounding.

Observers highlighted the very strong correlation between the DJIA and copper prices.

Investors have taken the bearish view that whatever is happening on stocks will translate into a fall in demand, said Bhar. "Traders on London Metal Exchange are looking at the DJIA before deciding whether to buy or sell."

At 4.05 pm, copper was unchanged at 1525 usd per tonne, aluminium was up 9 usd at 1322 usd per tonne, nickel 30 usd down at 6670 usd per tonne, and zinc down 2 usd at 778 usd per tonne.

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[manfred1_I]

Vielleicht kommen noch einige Brasilianer dazu.

Nach Argentinien ist es Uruguays-Bürgern nun nicht
mehr möglich.


17:44:22 30.07.2002 - Uruguays Regierung ordnet wegen Finanzkrise Schließung der Banken an

MONTEVIDEO (dpa-AFX) - Die Regierung von Uruguay hat am Dienstag wegen der akuten Finanzkrise die Schließung der Banken angeordnet. Die Maßnahme bleibe zumindest für Dienstag in Kraft, hieß es offiziell. Zuvor war der Kurs des Dollar von 29 auf 35 Pesos in die Höhe geschossen.

Uruguay leidet ebenso wie das Nachbarland Argentinien unter einer Vertrauenskrise und einhergehender Kapitalflucht ins Ausland. Die Devisenreserven der Zentralbank sind seit Jahresbeginn um 75 Prozent zurückgegangen. Verhandlungen mit dem Internationalen Währungsfonds (IWF) über einen neuen Kredit waren zudem nicht wie erhofft am Wochenende abgeschlossen worden./ro/mr/DP

[manfred1_I]

Mit den Brasilianern meine ich Goldkäufer.

Brazil`s real hits new low waiting for IMF deal

Tuesday July 30, 10:09 AM EDT

SAO PAULO, Brazil, July 30 (Reuters) - Brazil`s currency sank to a new low against the U.S. dollar, awaiting concrete signs that the International Monetary Fund would extend the country a new loan deal to buttress its economy.

The real weakened by more than 3 percent to 3.305 per dollar, its lowest point ever against the greenback since it went into circulation in 1994. It quickly eased back to 3.290, still 10.5 centavos weaker than where it ended on Monday.

Traders said local sentiment was bleak despite news that Brazil was sending a negotiating mission to Washington later Tuesday to continue talks already under way. Brazil`s Central Bank president, Arminio Fraga, has said Brazil would probably seek fresh IMF aid if market turbulence fueled by worries ahead of October`s presidential elections persists.

An IMF deal, said Alexandre Vasarhelyi, head currency trader at ING Barings in Sao Paulo, "will help once we have something concrete."

The currency has also been under strong pressure this month as companies, unable to roll over their debt abroad, seek dollars to pay it off.


©2002 Reuters Limited.

[manfred1_I]

COMMENT & ANALYSIS: Houses are as good as gold in troubled times
By Amity Shlaes
Financial Times; Jul 30, 2002


Across America residential property is booming, generating concerns of a housing bubble that could collapse in the way as the stock market. A bubble, though, is only one possibility. Another, overlapping, explanation for the rising market for houses is that homes have become a refuge in times of uncertainty. Indeed, in a paper published this month by the Milken Institute, Susanne Trimbath and Juan Montoya argue that housing has supplanted gold as the premier financial hideout. This analogy sheds some light on the differences between today and the 1970s, the previous period of uncertainty. It is also useful when it comes to the all-consuming bubble question.

The home-as-gold thesis makes sense today but, as the authors point out, "safe as houses" was not always the rule. Nervous Nellies used to put their money in more traditional havens: diamonds, certain paintings and, above all, gold. Consider the 1970s, and even the early 1980s, when America was a land of trouble. Inflation raged. Entire cities faced bankruptcy. In the early 1970s, before the formal break-up of the Bretton Woods gold-exchange standard, it was illegal to buy and sell gold. But people did the next best thing: they collected stocks in mining companies. Later, after President Richard Nixon closed the gold window, gold prices soared above $800 an ounce.

In the same period, of course, people did buy houses. But they bought them as a place to live and not a financial refuge. We know this because Americans` investment in housing was, at that time, about the same as their level of investment in equities. This parity obtained when they got richer. It also obtained when stock prices declined: when Americans were poorer, they held less of each.

Something changed in the 1980s. When the Dow or gross domestic product turned down, people bought more property. When the Dow rose, they bought more in stocks than homes. Citizens began to see houses as hedges. In the 1990s, since stocks did so well, houses were a less popular alternative: housing as a share of family holdings went down while equity holdings as a share of wealth went up.

The same see-saw relationship shows up more dramatically in the recent period: equities markets have plunged and houses have jumped. To judge by the numbers, houses have turned out to be a fine gold substitute: they have appreciated (6 per cent in the last year alone) while the old "barbarous relic" still costs less per ounce than it did in 1983.

There are, though, a number of other explanations for American behaviour. The first is interest rates: today`s rates are among the lowest ever seen in the adult experience of Americans under the age of 45, making home purchases wildly attractive. Most working Americans know that their parents once bought homes at interest rates of 6 per cent or less but until recently that story seemed a fairy tale. Now those same rates are accessible - without the threat of a margin call.

A second force behind the boom is America`s tax structure. Before the passage of the 1986 tax reform, Americans could avail themselves of a number of tax breaks: interest payments on credit cards were, for example, deductible. With the 1986 law, most of these breaks were abolished and the main remaining break was the mortgage interest deduction. Recently, too, home owning has been sweetened with a generous exclusion that means that most Americans will pay no capital gains tax when they sell their houses.

None of this, though, can completely explain the new house lust. In fact, one reason houses are more popular as wealth receptacles than gold is because houses have become a bit more like gold than they used to be. In the olden days housing stock was close to the opposite of a commodity. It was not fungible; it was relatively illiquid; and you could not put it in your pocket and carry it across the border.

This last rule still holds but the others have softened. Today, mortgages are securitised and there is a national housing market ("realtor.com"). Second mortgages, points out the American Institute of Economic Research, used to be unheard of; now Americans can and do unlock the value in their homes by borrowing against them. In other words, houses have come somewhat closer to being a liquid commodity.

There is danger here, especially because the two government-sponsored agencies that have done the securitising, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, so dominate the market. While Fannie and Freddie are not part of government, it would be hard for Washington not to bail them out should the housing market collapse like WorldCom. And that bail-out would cost many billions more than the federal government`s last great rescue action, that of the savings and loan crisis in the early 1990s.

Nonetheless, the house-as-refuge trend also reveals a giant positive that stands in contrast to the 1970s: today there is little fear of inflation. Americans are so sure of the dollar`s stability that they do not mind holding something that can be denominated in dollars and nothing else: their house. And, most crucially, we have to remember that whatever changes have occurred in the housing market, it is still not identical to the markets for stocks and gold. Houses are still hard to unload overnight.

There is also the emotional factor: a house is still, inherently, more lovable an object than a cold metal or a stock certificate and so is harder to part with. This means that the housing market - areas with astral prices, such as San Jose and Manhattan, excluded - cannot be as volatile as the others. In other words, while house prices may sag and sag, they will not pop.

[heilerlein]

Wovon sollen die igentlich Gold kaufen ?
Dollar gibt es nicht, Banken zu,
Wollen die Goldverkäufer denn Pesos, (soweit vorhanden) ????