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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.463.812 von Fire72 am 10.12.11 13:14:48Ja, die wissen genau was sie tun.
Schieben die Schulden ab in die Pampa, und verkaufen dem Rest der Welt die tollen Waehrungsreserven.
Sehr gut gemacht.
Das Beste ist aber, dass die ganze Welt drauf reinfaellt.
Hab erstmals in einer neuen Analyse von Morgan Stanley zum Ausblick 2012 die realistischen Zahlen veroeffentlicht gesehen.
Bekannt sind die schon lange, will aber keiner sehen.
Wir glauben lieber an das Maerchen "China rettet die Welt".
Schieben die Schulden ab in die Pampa, und verkaufen dem Rest der Welt die tollen Waehrungsreserven.
Sehr gut gemacht.
Das Beste ist aber, dass die ganze Welt drauf reinfaellt.
Hab erstmals in einer neuen Analyse von Morgan Stanley zum Ausblick 2012 die realistischen Zahlen veroeffentlicht gesehen.
Bekannt sind die schon lange, will aber keiner sehen.
Wir glauben lieber an das Maerchen "China rettet die Welt".
Zitat von Vivian664: Das Reich der Mitte hat gigantische Währungsreserven. Die müssen angelegt werden.
Das Reich der Mitte hat aber auch Schulden ohne Ende.
Die Waehrungsreserven sitzen in Peking.
Die massiven Schulden dagegen in den Provinzen, Staedten und priv. Haushalten.
Verschuldung > 200% des BIP.
Die Regierung wird schon wissen, was sie tut
......
"China’s Auto Industry Has Benefited from WTO Entry
Industry News | Ash | December 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm
From the China Daily:
When China wrapped up 16 years of hard bargaining to secure long-awaited membership to the World Trade Organization (WTO) on Dec. 11, 2001, Chinese firms were probably more alarmed than relieved.
With tariffs to be slashed and restrictions on foreign rivals to be eased, a shaky future seemed to loom for some of China’s least competitive industries, notably banking, agriculture and auto making.
Ten years later, those industries are holding up well, if not thriving.
Chinese lenders are among the most profitable banks in the world and were barely hurt in the financial crisis. China’s self-sufficiency rate in grains has remained above 95 percent, and the country surpassed the United States in 2009 to become the world’s biggest auto producer.
Analysts attributed China’s success to the catfish effect, government-sponsored reforms, limited market openness and its position in the global value chain.
The catfish effect, in which the existence of strong rivals drove the weak to improve themselves, was obvious in China’s banking industry.
Back in 2001, having just survived the Asian financial crisis and freed of some of their massive bad loans with government aid, China’s four major state-owned banks remained insolvent as a whole.
Today, those banks are much healthier than 10 years ago and passed the test of the global financial crisis with good asset quality and profitability, said Ba Shusong, an economist with the Development Research Center under the State Council, or China’s Cabinet.
“Competition spurred China’s banking industry to advance market-oriented reforms and improve its competitiveness through restructuring and better management … so the key is whether the external pressure can change into an internal drive,” Ba said.
In the past decade, the government helped rid the country’s four major state-owned commercial banks of more non-performing loans. It also injected nearly 80 billion U.S. dollars to help them restructure into shareholding companies.
And because China only agreed to limited openness for the financial services industry when joining the WTO, that provided a certain level of protection for the industry, analysts said.
“The government was being cautious with the financial sector,” said Zhang Junsheng, a researcher with the Institute of International Economy, University of International Business and Economics. “It took into consideration how much the industry could bear.”
Economist Louis Kuijs with the Hong Kong-based research group Fung Global Institute said China’s WTO agreement made it hard for foreign companies to compete in several areas where they are restricted from entering the market or subject to differentiated prudential regulation.
Foreign banks accounted for only 1.85 percent of the total assets of all financial institutions in China at the end of 2010, according to central bank figures.
The combination of government-propelled reforms and limited openness also provided a cushion for China’s agriculture, one of the most worrisome industries during WTO accession talks.
Tariffs on imported farm produce declined 72 percent in the past decade to less than a quarter of the world average, said agricultural economist Guo Xiaoming with the Sichuan Academy of Social Sciences.
Compared with highly mechanized and industrialized production in many developed countries, China’s agriculture typically features small-scale, scattered production with less advanced technology.
As a result, China saw its trade deficit of farm produce surge. Some products such as soybeans, wool, rapeseed and cotton now heavily rely on the much cheaper, subsidized foreign supply.
Currently the self-sufficiency rates of soybeans, edible oil and cotton are 30 percent, 50 percent and 60 percent, Guo said.
“However, the impact on the overall agricultural sector was within the safe range,” he said. “Overall, the sector is growing healthily and stably.”
The government has remained basically self-sufficient in grain supply in the past decade, with grain output reporting the eighth consecutive year of growth.
China has reduced farmers’ tax burdens, beefed up subsidies to grain growers and brought private capital into agricultural production to increase the scale and improve technology, Guo said.
Kuijs noted agriculture was not as open as manufacturing, a more competitive industry of China.
Trade restrictions remain in place in many agricultural markets, notable those of staple food, he said.
In China’s manufacturing sector, one of its weakest links was the car industry, which had been protected by high tariffs and offered few choices for Chinese consumers before entry to the WTO.
High costs and weak brands and technology were among the biggest disadvantages of his company compared with foreign rivals, said Hu Maoyuan, chairman of the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (Group) (SAIC Group), China’s leading auto maker.
By July 2006, China had lowered the tariff on imported finished automobiles to 25 percent from 70-80 percent before WTO accession and that of imported parts and components down 10 percent from 18-65 percent.
Facing drastically tougher competition, SAIC Group managed to reduce its production costs 30 percent within the five-year grace period after WTO entry, while investing heavily to improve quality, technology and services, Hu said.
In 2010, SAIC Group ranked eighth in world auto sales, selling 3.58 million units.
Kuijs said China’s policies to make foreign direct investment attractive led foreign car companies to build cars in China rather than import them.
As a result, China’s market was not flooded by imported cars, but cars made by joint ventures of Chinese and foreign firms, saving Chinese car companies from being devastated by foreign brands, said auto analyst Jia Xinguang.
In 2010, the industrial output value of China’s auto sector soared to almost 10 times the amount in 2001. The country’s own car brands, notably Geely and Chery, also have taken off in the past decade.
Surging consumer demand, fueled by fast economic growth, helped Chinese car makers grow. China’s per capita GDP exceeded 1,000 U.S. dollars for the first time in 2001 and topped 4,000 U.S. dollars in 2010.
At the initial stage of getting rich, people tend to choose cheaper cars, helping China’s indigenous car brands gain market presence as foreign companies target higher-end markets, Jia said.
Like the car makers, many of China’s manufacturing enterprises avoided direct competition with foreign firms because of their different positions in the industry, Zhang said.
As Chinese auto makers move up the value chain in the future and more foreign firms turn to the resilient Chinese market amid the economic downturn, competition is likely to intensify, Jia said."
http://www.wallstreet-online.de/diskussion/1165416-3751-3760…
Industry News | Ash | December 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm
From the China Daily:
When China wrapped up 16 years of hard bargaining to secure long-awaited membership to the World Trade Organization (WTO) on Dec. 11, 2001, Chinese firms were probably more alarmed than relieved.
With tariffs to be slashed and restrictions on foreign rivals to be eased, a shaky future seemed to loom for some of China’s least competitive industries, notably banking, agriculture and auto making.
Ten years later, those industries are holding up well, if not thriving.
Chinese lenders are among the most profitable banks in the world and were barely hurt in the financial crisis. China’s self-sufficiency rate in grains has remained above 95 percent, and the country surpassed the United States in 2009 to become the world’s biggest auto producer.
Analysts attributed China’s success to the catfish effect, government-sponsored reforms, limited market openness and its position in the global value chain.
The catfish effect, in which the existence of strong rivals drove the weak to improve themselves, was obvious in China’s banking industry.
Back in 2001, having just survived the Asian financial crisis and freed of some of their massive bad loans with government aid, China’s four major state-owned banks remained insolvent as a whole.
Today, those banks are much healthier than 10 years ago and passed the test of the global financial crisis with good asset quality and profitability, said Ba Shusong, an economist with the Development Research Center under the State Council, or China’s Cabinet.
“Competition spurred China’s banking industry to advance market-oriented reforms and improve its competitiveness through restructuring and better management … so the key is whether the external pressure can change into an internal drive,” Ba said.
In the past decade, the government helped rid the country’s four major state-owned commercial banks of more non-performing loans. It also injected nearly 80 billion U.S. dollars to help them restructure into shareholding companies.
And because China only agreed to limited openness for the financial services industry when joining the WTO, that provided a certain level of protection for the industry, analysts said.
“The government was being cautious with the financial sector,” said Zhang Junsheng, a researcher with the Institute of International Economy, University of International Business and Economics. “It took into consideration how much the industry could bear.”
Economist Louis Kuijs with the Hong Kong-based research group Fung Global Institute said China’s WTO agreement made it hard for foreign companies to compete in several areas where they are restricted from entering the market or subject to differentiated prudential regulation.
Foreign banks accounted for only 1.85 percent of the total assets of all financial institutions in China at the end of 2010, according to central bank figures.
The combination of government-propelled reforms and limited openness also provided a cushion for China’s agriculture, one of the most worrisome industries during WTO accession talks.
Tariffs on imported farm produce declined 72 percent in the past decade to less than a quarter of the world average, said agricultural economist Guo Xiaoming with the Sichuan Academy of Social Sciences.
Compared with highly mechanized and industrialized production in many developed countries, China’s agriculture typically features small-scale, scattered production with less advanced technology.
As a result, China saw its trade deficit of farm produce surge. Some products such as soybeans, wool, rapeseed and cotton now heavily rely on the much cheaper, subsidized foreign supply.
Currently the self-sufficiency rates of soybeans, edible oil and cotton are 30 percent, 50 percent and 60 percent, Guo said.
“However, the impact on the overall agricultural sector was within the safe range,” he said. “Overall, the sector is growing healthily and stably.”
The government has remained basically self-sufficient in grain supply in the past decade, with grain output reporting the eighth consecutive year of growth.
China has reduced farmers’ tax burdens, beefed up subsidies to grain growers and brought private capital into agricultural production to increase the scale and improve technology, Guo said.
Kuijs noted agriculture was not as open as manufacturing, a more competitive industry of China.
Trade restrictions remain in place in many agricultural markets, notable those of staple food, he said.
In China’s manufacturing sector, one of its weakest links was the car industry, which had been protected by high tariffs and offered few choices for Chinese consumers before entry to the WTO.
High costs and weak brands and technology were among the biggest disadvantages of his company compared with foreign rivals, said Hu Maoyuan, chairman of the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (Group) (SAIC Group), China’s leading auto maker.
By July 2006, China had lowered the tariff on imported finished automobiles to 25 percent from 70-80 percent before WTO accession and that of imported parts and components down 10 percent from 18-65 percent.
Facing drastically tougher competition, SAIC Group managed to reduce its production costs 30 percent within the five-year grace period after WTO entry, while investing heavily to improve quality, technology and services, Hu said.
In 2010, SAIC Group ranked eighth in world auto sales, selling 3.58 million units.
Kuijs said China’s policies to make foreign direct investment attractive led foreign car companies to build cars in China rather than import them.
As a result, China’s market was not flooded by imported cars, but cars made by joint ventures of Chinese and foreign firms, saving Chinese car companies from being devastated by foreign brands, said auto analyst Jia Xinguang.
In 2010, the industrial output value of China’s auto sector soared to almost 10 times the amount in 2001. The country’s own car brands, notably Geely and Chery, also have taken off in the past decade.
Surging consumer demand, fueled by fast economic growth, helped Chinese car makers grow. China’s per capita GDP exceeded 1,000 U.S. dollars for the first time in 2001 and topped 4,000 U.S. dollars in 2010.
At the initial stage of getting rich, people tend to choose cheaper cars, helping China’s indigenous car brands gain market presence as foreign companies target higher-end markets, Jia said.
Like the car makers, many of China’s manufacturing enterprises avoided direct competition with foreign firms because of their different positions in the industry, Zhang said.
As Chinese auto makers move up the value chain in the future and more foreign firms turn to the resilient Chinese market amid the economic downturn, competition is likely to intensify, Jia said."
http://www.wallstreet-online.de/diskussion/1165416-3751-3760…
Servus Geelianer 
,
ich verstehe leider nur chinesisch bei joaps Seite
....sind das schon die Verkaufszahlen??? Dann hätte Geely "nur" Platz 10 und gerade einmal knapp 40.000 Fahrzeuge verkauft...sehr enttäuschend wäre das...das einzig positive wäre, dass Geely mit Chery überhaupt als einheimischer Hersteller noch in den Top-Ten wäre....
Najo, wenn ich nur Facelifts auf den Mark schmeiße, ohne wirklich neue Produkte (die rede war mal von 6-8 in diesem Jahr) plus dem ständigen verschieben des ersten SUVs, dann muss man sich nicht wundern.....Eigentlich ist es schon ein Wunder...das Geely sich mit seinen "Oldmobils" immer noch so stark am Markt hält
...
Warum der Herr Ang in dem Interview immer noch von dem 2011 Verkaufsziel Anfang November spricht, bleibt für mich ein Rätsel....aber schaun ma mal...
Hier noch ein Bericht über die Novemberverkaufszahlen...
"Chinese car sales down by big margin in November
Industry News | Ash | December 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm
From Bloomberg:
China’s passenger-car sales rose at the slowest pace in six months, as monetary tightening and the removal of government incentives dented demand at Chery Automobile Co. and Honda Motor Co. (7267)
Wholesale deliveries, including sport-utility vehicles and minivans, gained 0.3 percent to 1.34 million units last month, the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers said today in a statement. That compares with the 0.5 percent median estimate of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg and is the slowest pace since May, when sales dropped 0.1 percent to 1.04 million.
China’s vehicle sales have slowed from last year’s record 32 percent increase as inflation, higher interest rates and the end of a two-year stimulus plan deter purchases. Deliveries for 2011 may rise the least in 13 years, according to the auto industry group, adding to signs China’s economy is slowing.
“Inflation and gasoline prices are high and the outlook is still uncertain,” said Yale Zhang, managing director at industry consultant Autoforesight Shanghai Co. “This has reduced consumers’ will to purchase.”
China Slowdown
The auto manufacturers association, which has cut its market forecast twice this year, estimates the number of vehicles delivered to Chinese dealerships will rise between 3 percent and 5 percent in 2011, after surging 32 percent in 2010 on the back of tax breaks and rebates for buyers in rural areas. That would mark the first time the Chinese market expands at a slower pace than U.S. light-vehicle retail sales, based on association figures stretching back to 1998.
Dong Yang, deputy head of the association, said today that China’s vehicle sales will “very likely” grow more than 2 percent this year.
Minivans, popular in rural areas to transport goods and people, fell 9.5 percent last month in China, leading declines in passenger-car deliveries, according to association numbers. That extends this year’s slide to 9.8 percent. Sport-utility vehicle sales gained 21 percent in November.
Including buses and trucks, total sales in China fell 2.4 percent to 1.66 million vehicles last month, according to the association. In the first 11 months of the year, they increased 2.6 percent, with passenger-car deliveries up 5.3 percent to 13.1 million"
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2011/12/10/chinese-car-sales-bi…
,ich verstehe leider nur chinesisch bei joaps Seite
....sind das schon die Verkaufszahlen??? Dann hätte Geely "nur" Platz 10 und gerade einmal knapp 40.000 Fahrzeuge verkauft...sehr enttäuschend wäre das...das einzig positive wäre, dass Geely mit Chery überhaupt als einheimischer Hersteller noch in den Top-Ten wäre....Najo, wenn ich nur Facelifts auf den Mark schmeiße, ohne wirklich neue Produkte (die rede war mal von 6-8 in diesem Jahr) plus dem ständigen verschieben des ersten SUVs, dann muss man sich nicht wundern.....Eigentlich ist es schon ein Wunder...das Geely sich mit seinen "Oldmobils" immer noch so stark am Markt hält
...Warum der Herr Ang in dem Interview immer noch von dem 2011 Verkaufsziel Anfang November spricht, bleibt für mich ein Rätsel
....aber schaun ma mal...Hier noch ein Bericht über die Novemberverkaufszahlen...
"Chinese car sales down by big margin in November
Industry News | Ash | December 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm
From Bloomberg:
China’s passenger-car sales rose at the slowest pace in six months, as monetary tightening and the removal of government incentives dented demand at Chery Automobile Co. and Honda Motor Co. (7267)
Wholesale deliveries, including sport-utility vehicles and minivans, gained 0.3 percent to 1.34 million units last month, the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers said today in a statement. That compares with the 0.5 percent median estimate of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg and is the slowest pace since May, when sales dropped 0.1 percent to 1.04 million.
China’s vehicle sales have slowed from last year’s record 32 percent increase as inflation, higher interest rates and the end of a two-year stimulus plan deter purchases. Deliveries for 2011 may rise the least in 13 years, according to the auto industry group, adding to signs China’s economy is slowing.
“Inflation and gasoline prices are high and the outlook is still uncertain,” said Yale Zhang, managing director at industry consultant Autoforesight Shanghai Co. “This has reduced consumers’ will to purchase.”
China Slowdown
The auto manufacturers association, which has cut its market forecast twice this year, estimates the number of vehicles delivered to Chinese dealerships will rise between 3 percent and 5 percent in 2011, after surging 32 percent in 2010 on the back of tax breaks and rebates for buyers in rural areas. That would mark the first time the Chinese market expands at a slower pace than U.S. light-vehicle retail sales, based on association figures stretching back to 1998.
Dong Yang, deputy head of the association, said today that China’s vehicle sales will “very likely” grow more than 2 percent this year.
Minivans, popular in rural areas to transport goods and people, fell 9.5 percent last month in China, leading declines in passenger-car deliveries, according to association numbers. That extends this year’s slide to 9.8 percent. Sport-utility vehicle sales gained 21 percent in November.
Including buses and trucks, total sales in China fell 2.4 percent to 1.66 million vehicles last month, according to the association. In the first 11 months of the year, they increased 2.6 percent, with passenger-car deliveries up 5.3 percent to 13.1 million"
http://www.chinacartimes.com/2011/12/10/chinese-car-sales-bi…
Zitat von joap: ohne Worte
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=de&rur…
Gruß joap
Hallo joap,
Du hast recht, ohne Worte, aber wenn Geely sich weiter weigert fuer seine 3 Marken wenigstens einen SUV
auf den Markt zu bringen, wird das auch so bleiben.
Die Namen der SUV die angeblich gelistet werden sollen werden geaendert,
aber es passiert nichts "unglaublich".
Gruss
hauswand
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Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.462.045 von Fire72 am 09.12.11 18:23:32Das Reich der Mitte hat gigantische Währungsreserven. Die müssen angelegt werden.
Das Reich der Mitte hat aber auch Schulden ohne Ende.
Die Waehrungsreserven sitzen in Peking.
Die massiven Schulden dagegen in den Provinzen, Staedten und priv. Haushalten.
Verschuldung > 200% des BIP.
Das Reich der Mitte hat aber auch Schulden ohne Ende.
Die Waehrungsreserven sitzen in Peking.
Die massiven Schulden dagegen in den Provinzen, Staedten und priv. Haushalten.
Verschuldung > 200% des BIP.
Hallo Geely Gemeinde,
bin zwar letzte Zeit nur stiller Mitleser gewesen, aber immer noch dabei.
Text vom 09.12.2012
China November Passagier Autoabsatz bis 0,29% pa - CAAM
China verkauft insgesamt rund 1,34 Millionen Einheiten
Pkw im November ein Plus von 0,29% gegenüber dem Vorjahr und bis 10,07%
von einem Monat vor, sagte der China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM).
Für den ersten elf Monaten des Jahres 2011 beliefen sich die gesamten Personenverkehr Autoabsatz um etwa
13,1 Millionen Einheiten, was einem Anstieg von 5,26% gegenüber dem gleichen Zeitraum des Vorjahres.
http://www.etnet.com.hk/www/eng/stocks/realtime/quote_news_d…
Sonnige 30° Grüße
joap
bin zwar letzte Zeit nur stiller Mitleser gewesen, aber immer noch dabei.
Text vom 09.12.2012
China November Passagier Autoabsatz bis 0,29% pa - CAAM
China verkauft insgesamt rund 1,34 Millionen Einheiten
Pkw im November ein Plus von 0,29% gegenüber dem Vorjahr und bis 10,07%
von einem Monat vor, sagte der China Association of Automobile Manufacturers (CAAM).
Für den ersten elf Monaten des Jahres 2011 beliefen sich die gesamten Personenverkehr Autoabsatz um etwa
13,1 Millionen Einheiten, was einem Anstieg von 5,26% gegenüber dem gleichen Zeitraum des Vorjahres.
http://www.etnet.com.hk/www/eng/stocks/realtime/quote_news_d…
Sonnige 30° Grüße
joap
Antwort auf Beitrag Nr.: 42.462.045 von Fire72 am 09.12.11 18:23:32______________________________
Hallo, fire
ich war so frei, ich habe deinen Beitrag in den Thread: Umfassend vorsorgen in der Krise - Der Krisenscout kopiert,
denn es geht sehr gut daraus hervor, dass China Devisen (also Papierwert ) in
europ.Firmen-Aktien ( also Sachwert ) umschichtet.
Ein sehr aufschlussreicher Artikel, vielen Dank -- Daumen !
Ich bin schon gespannt, ob Geely bzw. Mr.Shufu (Milliardär ) auch
noch weiter in Europa investiert.
______________________________
Hallo, fire
ich war so frei, ich habe deinen Beitrag in den Thread: Umfassend vorsorgen in der Krise - Der Krisenscout kopiert,
denn es geht sehr gut daraus hervor, dass China Devisen (also Papierwert ) in
europ.Firmen-Aktien ( also Sachwert ) umschichtet.
Ein sehr aufschlussreicher Artikel, vielen Dank -- Daumen !
Ich bin schon gespannt, ob Geely bzw. Mr.Shufu (Milliardär ) auch
noch weiter in Europa investiert.
______________________________
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